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Title: The 9/11 conspiracy plots thicken
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URL Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht ... /2003250424_911conspire09.html
Published: Sep 09, 2006
Author: Michael Powell, wapo
Post Date: 2010-07-19 22:23:35 by Dakmar
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They are politically diverse and include academics, ex-officials and Web surfers. All share a belief that the Bush administration played a role in the 9/11 attacks. Their numbers seem to speak to Americans' innate distrust of their government. The Washington Post NEW YORK — He felt no shiver of doubt in those first terrible hours. He watched the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and assumed al-Qaida had wreaked terrible vengeance. He listened to anchors and military experts and assumed the facts of Sept. 11, 2001, were as stated on the screen. It was a year before David Ray Griffin, an eminent liberal theologian and philosopher, began his stroll down the path of disbelief. He wondered why Bush listened to a child's story while the nation was attacked and how Osama bin Laden, America's Public Enemy No. 1, escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. He wondered why 110-story towers crashed and military jets failed to intercept even one airliner. He read the 9/11 Commission report with a swell of anger. Contradictions were ignored and no military or civilian official was reprimanded, much less cashiered. "To me, the report read as a cartoon," Griffin said. "It's a much greater stretch to accept the official conspiracy story than to consider the alternatives." Such as? "There was massive complicity in this attack by U.S. government operatives." If that feels like a skip off the cliff of established reality, more Americans are in free fall than you might guess. There are few more startling measures of American distrust of leaders than the extent of belief that the Bush administration had a hand in the attacks of Sept. 11 to spark an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. 36 percent suspicious A recent Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 Americans found that 36 percent suspect the U.S. government promoted the attacks or intentionally sat on its hands. Sixteen percent believe explosives brought down the towers. Twelve percent believe a cruise missile hit the Pentagon. Distrust percolates more strongly near Ground Zero. A Zogby International poll of New York City residents two years ago found 49.3 percent believed the government "consciously failed to act." Establishment assessments of the believers tend toward the psychotherapeutic. Many academics, politicians and thinkers left, right and center say the conspiracy theories are a case of one plus one equals five. It's a piling up of improbabilities. Thomas Eager, a professor of materials science at MIT, has studied the collapse of the twin towers. "At first, I thought it was amazing that the buildings would come down in their own footprints," Eager says. "Then I realized that it wasn't that amazing — it's the only way a building that weighs a million tons and is 95 percent air can come down." But the chatter out there is loud enough for the National Institute of Standards and Technology to post a Web "fact sheet" poking holes in the conspiracy theories and defending its report on the towers. Motley crew The loose agglomeration known as the "9/11 Truth Movement" has stopped looking for truth from the government. A cacophonous and free-range a bunch of conspiracists, they produce hip-hop inflected documentaries and scholarly conferences. The Web is their mother lode. Every citizen is a researcher. Did you see that the CIA met with bin Laden in a hospital room in Dubai? Check out this Pakistani site; there are really weird doings in Baluchistan ... Peter Knight, senior lecturer in American studies at the University of Manchester and editor of the 2002 book "Conspiracy Nation: The Politics of Paranoia in Postwar America," called the movement "a strange beast, an amalgam of elements. You've got the anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war crowd — you know, if they lied about the war, maybe they lied about 9/11. Another part is people merely interested in the anomalies, with no preconceived political agenda. "Then you have the more traditional right-wing conspiracy part of the continuum that believes a vast cabal has taken over the United States, the mega-conspiracy of the right's new world order. To them, all of these things are connected. Each group inserts 9/11 into its pre-existing conspiracy model." The academic wing is led by Griffin, who founded the Center for a Postmodern World at Claremont University; James Fetzer, a tenured philosopher at the University of Minnesota; and Daniel Orr, retired chairman of the economics department at the University of Illinois. Professor suspended The movement's de facto minister of engineering is Steven Jones, a tenured physics professor at Brigham Young University who has studied vectors and velocities and tested explosives and concluded that the collapse of the twin towers is best explained as controlled demolition, sped by a thousand pounds of high-grade thermite. Jones has been placed on paid leave while the Mormon-church-owned school investigates his claims, it was announced Friday. The physicist published his views two weeks ago in the book "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out." Former Reagan aide Barbara Honegger is a senior military-affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School in California. She's convinced, based on her freelance research, that a bomb went off about six minutes before an airplane hit the Pentagon — or didn't hit it, as some believe the case may be. Then there's Morgan O. Reynolds, appointed by George W. Bush as chief economist at the Labor Department. He left in 2002 and doesn't think much of his former boss. "Who did it? Elements of our government and M-16 and the Mossad. The government's case is a laugh-out-loud proposition. They used patsies and lies and subterfuge and there's no way that Bush and Cheney could have invaded Iraq without the help of 9/11," Reynolds asserts. They are cantankerous and sometimes distrust each other — who knows where the double agents lurk? But unreasonable questions resonate with the reasonable. Colleen Kelly's brother, a salesman, had breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant on Sept. 11. After he died she founded September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows to oppose the Iraq war. She lives in the Bronx and gives a gingerly embrace to the conspiracy crowd. "Sometimes I listen to them and I think that's sooooo outlandish and bizarre," she says. "But that day had such disastrous geopolitical consequences. If David Ray Griffin asks uncomfortable questions and points out painful discrepancies, good for him." Griffin's book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," sold more than 100,000 copies and became a movement founding stone. Last year he traveled through New England, giving speeches. One evening in West Hartford, Conn., 400 mostly middle-aged and upper-middle-class doctors and lawyers, teachers and social workers sat waiting. Griffin took the podium and laid down his ideas with calm and cool. He concluded: "It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists. The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." The audience rose and applauded for more than a minute. No patience Chip Berlet, senior analyst at Political Research Associates, a Boston-based left-leaning think tank, is no fan of the 9/11 Commission. He believes a serious investigation should have led to indictments and the firing of incompetent generals and civilian officials. But he has no patience with the conspiracy theorists. "They don't do their homework; it's a kind of charlatanism," says Berlet. "They say there's no debris on the lawn in front of the Pentagon, but they base their analysis on a photo on the Internet. That's like analyzing an impressionist painting by looking at a postcard. "I love 'The X-Files' but I don't base my research on it. My vision of hell is having to review these [conspiracy] books over and over again." In the days after Sept. 11, experts claimed temperatures reached 2,000 degrees on the upper floors. Others claimed steel melted. Nope. What happened, says Eager, the MIT materials-science professor, is that jet fuel sloshed around and beams got rubbery. "It's not too much to think that you could have some regions at 900 degrees and others at 1,200 degrees, and that will distort the beams." The truth movement doesn't really care for Eager. A Web site casts a fisheye of suspicion at the professor and his colleagues. "Did the MIT have prior knowledge?" notes one chat room. "This is for sure another speculative topic ... " Professsor Jones' suspension was reported Friday by The Associated Press. Peter Knight was quoted by McClatchy Newspapers.
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#228. To: AGAviator (#226)
After I become tired and determine there is only non-cordial methods anymore. It is easy for anyone to make their silly posts ... still, FACTS and SUBSTANCE mean more than all the conspiracy and BS combined.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Butt licking doesn't describe the content of the posts between the two of you.....butt kissing does. We all know what the terms brown noser and butt kisser mean, so don't play stupid. I didn't make if vulgar, it is what it is. I do not, and will not, deflect from my remarks. You are attempting to make an issue out of a non issue because you want to be self proclaimed site monitor. Another epic failure on your part. Like I said, when you and buck want to brown nose and butt kiss, do it on PM. And if you are going to respond to folks noting your butt kissing and brown nosing, don't bring butt licking into the exchange......or anus as you like to do.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
i agree.
If so, how come some posters get away with "fecal matter" spewing from their own lips such as FormerLurker and Original_Intent?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Cool. I figured I'd update you because it seemed like you weren't aware of the recent memo ;-)
This quote is all about you both, FL and OI.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I'm not the one who decided to lock down the other thread, and I had nothing to do with the locking down. You're the one sniveling about my post to you, and you'll lose if either the high road or the low road is taken. All I'm doing is pointing out that none of you can live by the standards you demand of your detractors. And none of you can go for any length of time citing facts and keeping away from the vulgar and off-topic. Like now.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not sniveling, I merely voted your post most vulgar as you were hypocritically pointing out the how vulgar other posts are. Your vulgar posts had a big part in shutting down that thread. It's extremely dishonest to deny that FACT. Man up and accept your responsibility. Sheesh, you've been playing the victim card ad nauseum, moaning, bitching, complaining and sniveling about others doing WHAT YOU DO. I don't play the victim card and you've never stepped foot on the high road. Enough with your lies.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Sure, it's not sniveling when you do it, and not vulgar when you say it. HAHAHAHA. The chronology of who said what first, and what my responses were, to statements others had already made, are crystal clear. There is no way you can lie your way out of the recorded posting times. Like I said, the method and means of responding to people like you are my choices, not yours. You'll just have to live with them.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lying seems to be part of the "debunker" mentality. Their patron un-saint "The Less Than Amazing Randi" and the Septical Inquirer crowd have been caught more than once. Their mindset also seems to be "The Champions of Official Orthodoxy" whatever the current official orthodoxy is. The debunkers have made more twists and turns than a corkscrew. Every time the "received" wisdom from the Holy Establishment changes their opinion immediately changes with it - "and that's the way it's been forever".I have little patience for them because "the lights are on but there is nobody home". They do not think they regurgitate. And because it is either a fixation or something that they are, in some cases, paid to believe the likelihood of their ever waking up is vanishingly small. Still they are useful for one thing and that is making us think and to refine our understanding of the facts. We do have a couple of advantages over them though. The truth is the basic fundamental isness and is the reality and because of that their lies have to constantly be repeated over and over and over to keep them in place whereas the truth just is. The other advantage we have is that we can be wrong a thousand times and still be right as it only takes "1" incontrovertable fact to show that what they are pushing is a lie whereas they cannot admit error even once or else their entire edifice of lies crumbles.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
No, you'll have to live with them. You can be as nasty as you wish and it is no skin off my nose. At the very most you are an irritant and one that can be easily ignored. However, that nastiness tends to boomerang in the long run, which is while I will from time to time ave some fun at your expense I never get real nasty.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Thank you for reviving the posts about 9/11 around here. The more people that know the truth the faster the criminals who did it will be brought to justice. WTC 7 is waking people up every single minute. Soon the tidal wave against this injustice will topple the structure that protected the ones who did it and helped those who did it. If you were smart you would realize this.
God is always good!
He is a step up from you, but that isn't saying much.
God is always good!
I love it, keep it up. WTC 7 wakes them up every time without fail. Most still haven't even seen it fall.
God is always good!
Name calling is juvenile.
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LIE Original_Intent posted on 2010-07-23 16:49:06 ET REALITY: 14 CFR 61.133 - Commercial pilot privileges and limitations CHAPTER I - FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION SUBCHAPTER D - AIRMEN PART 61 - CERTIFICATION: PILOTS, FLIGHT INSTRUCTORS, AND GROUND INSTRUCTORS subpart f - COMMERCIAL PILOTS 61.133 - Commercial pilot privileges and limitations. (a) Privileges(1) General. A person who holds a commercial pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft (i) Carrying persons or property for compensation or hire, provided the person is qualified in accordance with this part and with the applicable parts of this chapter that apply to the operation; and (ii) For compensation or hire, provided the person is qualified in accordance with this part and with the applicable parts of this chapter that apply to the operation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, they suck ass and all who work for the defense industry suck ass. If I had a choice of starving or making smart bombs for the military, I would choose starving every time. Others though will try to justify their hypocritical life saying they only help the good guys. LOL!
God is always good!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With AGitprop, I'm going to say defense industry suck ass. Yes, they suck ass and all who work for the defense industry suck ass You're not important enough to have anybody from the defense industry post to you. Tell me one Congress person or government official you've had take up your "the government did 911" conspiracy theory in the last 8 years - even though dozens of Congress people are now advocating the US quit Afghanistan and scale back the WOT in general.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dude, I already figure you are a minimum wage stooge, it shows with every post you make. No, I wasn't referring to you there. LOL!
God is always good!
Jesse Ventura, former Governor of Minnesota. Strong possibility he will run for president in 2012. You better hope he loses.
God is always good!
Damage and fire? What damage? What fire? Get real!
God is always good!
You're the one flogging 8 year old CT's that fewer people believe in than believe in ET abductions. And with zero public officials supporting them. Promising "any day now" as though you can repeat the same thing day after day, year after year, and expect a different result than the one you've already been handed day after day, year after year. Obviously never having heard that "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results." BHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Obviously never having heard that "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results." I think it was Edison who said he didn't mind failing 500 times because that meant he was 500 steps closer to succeeding. Or something like that.
They "pulled it" to smithereens.
Well if you want to believe that, go right ahead. Deceiving your own self won't change the truth though. Every time someone sees WTC 7 come down for the first time you can see their eyes get wide and the lights go on upstairs. It is waking people up better than any words could. It is tough for you stooges that can't use your talking points to make it all go away. But don't despair, I am sure you will get paid regardless of your effectiveness. They couldn't expect much from you anyway.
God is always good!
That only applies when you do something 500 different ways and learn from your 500 mistakes....
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AGAviator is probably AIR GUARD Aviator, which is where even young non coms can jockey cargo into hot (as in "war" and "profit") zones. The patriotic tone is set mostly by young and dumb pilots and ground crewmen, and because critical thinking skills are seldom required and (any that contradict the prevailing political agenda are) certainly not encouraged in AG's MOS, he simply isn't permitted to think the unthinkable. In fact if not for self deception on an industrial scale there would be no volunteer military at all. ("I'm killing women and children in far away lands to keep America free!"- Get it?) Even if he's an older pilot he doesn't get points for seeing through the corruption that is the US Govt from top to bottom. The very idea of showing up at a monthly guard muster and speaking obvious truths i.e. "Pearl Harbor was no surprise" or "Vietnam was a mistake" would result in immediate loss of status and accrued macho points, which are essential to long term survival in govt service. Remember what happened to the IRS agent (Joe Bannister) for simply asking to be shown "the law that never was"? You'll find that this demand for intellectual dishonesty spans the entire govt and all quasi-and ancillary occupations from federally licensed river pilots to research scientists, and it includes active and retired personnel. It's no different for military pilots or critically wounded grunts like buck who want to keep their pensions. If they speak out their benevolent tyrant masters may cut off their incomes. The one point that I feel is fair criticism is that neither have revealed that truth about themselves, that their first loyalty is to their pension checks, and even if they agreed with you they wouldn't dare say it here or anywhere else where those who demand their blind loyalty may see it. The simple fact is govt loyalists are of such low moral character that they shouldn't even be permitted to vote. They are with few exceptions criminally stupid or dishonest, and either way they predictably side with the tyrants who are dismantling America. (just look at dogmatic social security recipients, i.e. THE AARP agenda. What more proof of blind stupidity do you need?) If SS recipients are "Good Catholics" then military pensioners are "bishops and priests". Both groups can't wait to show the "Vatican" the absurd lengths they'll go to swallow anything they're fed if it means their checks keep coming, even to the point of unhinging their jaws like snakes to accommodate large portions of govt horse shit.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Interesting. And its easy to plant some absurd "theories" to discredit the discourse.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" "their school girl tears will be a deluge which in past cases have washed away entire threads." LOL! You're on a roll my friend.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET That is a fine tagline. I had noticed that too and thought someone should jump on that. Good for you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You make good points. Another thing to consider, now that buck and aggravator have found out that all they have to do is post endless references about their homoerotic fantasies and other vulgarities they can get threads locked which the government would rather people not talk about. And people can ignore the threads if they choose. Locking the threads so that they go down the memory hole plays into their hands in my opinion.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. And the answer is: NO, NOBODY WILL CARE, NOBODY WILL RESEARCH THE POSTS.......only you buck--you are the wind beneath AG's wings. LOL!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Ah, very good. Buck is taking stock and admitting his shortcomings. That's the first step, or so they say. He forgot Sterno and Kook Aid guzzler but maybe he can add that on.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. James... Experience is the best teacher and a hard taskmaster. As I stated last night, I have been down this road before. Starting way back with the people that made FR a "success". Without going into detail, there were people that know where the bodies are buried. With that in mind, the last forum and chat room that I helped to found and maintain became a total failure because the owner refused to maintain control of the forum. Christine as an example, believes in freedom of speech without limit. While that is a laudable trait, it DOES NOT WORK. There are two negatives to that belief. One. Nowhere in organized society is ANYONE allowed to express themselves with vulgar and obscene language. Expressing a view in acceptable language IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Expressing ones view in gutter language is acceptable NOWHERE. That is not my opinion, it is a fact that may be discerned by trying it in Church, in your restaurant even at Wal Mart, and you will be hustled out into the street. It is NO different here. Two. From my experience in a forum failure, endless, mind numbing posting hour after hour destroys the intent of any forum. No one is doing 4um and Christine a "favor" by posting vulgar tirades all day and all nite. That is NOT what the forum was created for. These threads have accomplished one thing, I and others have stopped posting. The argument for bozoing is a childish cop out that does not work, it only helps those that destroy. Been there, done that, civil management has to be maintained or Christine will be left holding a forum with half a dozen posters before the collapse. The concept that somehow these threads are helping the forum is totally wrong, good, intelligent people need to rethink something, the 4um is Christines, no one has a right to dominate and destroy. When I first came here, Christine asked me to refrain from posting on certain threads, I have respected her wishes and we get along fine. That was forum management, her forum, her job and I complied. Cyni...
So let's research just what exactly "vulgar," "obscene," and "gutter language" consist of. In your paradigm is saying "Go sleep with your boyfriend" acceptable, and a reply "Go fuck yourself, little faggot wannabe" ***vulgar?***
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#229. To: wudidiz (#225)
#230. To: AGAviator (#226)
#231. To: Eric Stratton (#229)
There's a difference between "vulgar language" and profanity.
#232. To: christine (#231)
#233. To: Eric Stratton, christine (#229)
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I'll try though.
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#234. To: Dakmar, FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#0)
"Then you have the more traditional right-wing conspiracy part of the continuum that believes a vast cabal has taken over the United States, the mega-conspiracy of the right's new world order. To them, all of these things are connected. Each group inserts 9/11 into its pre-existing conspiracy model."
#235. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#230)
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I didn't make if vulgar, it is what it is. I do not, and will not, deflect from my remarks. You are attempting to make an issue out of a non issue because you want to be self proclaimed site monitor.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#236. To: AGAviator (#235)
I had nothing to do with the locking down. You're the one sniveling about my post to you, and you'll lose if either the high road or the low road is taken.
#237. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#236)
I'm not sniveling, I merely voted your post most vulgar
Your vulgar posts had a big part in shutting down that thread.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#238. To: abraxas (#236)
#239. To: AGAviator, abraxas (#237)
You'll just have to live with them.
#240. To: AGAviator (#235)
#241. To: buckeroo (#200)
You are an outstanding poster, AG... I don't give a damn what the others say about ya.
#242. To: AGAviator (#65)
#243. To: abraxas, Original_Intent, wudidiz, twentytwelve, christine (#207)
Christine is going to tire quickly of your pings. This isn't a sand box. Grow up.
#244. To: RickyJ (#242)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#245. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#238)
Lying seems to be part of the "debunker" mentality
You, and AGGravator, have been misrepresenting Hanjour's LEARNER'S PERMIT as a license to BE a commercial pilot, when all it did was give him a license to LEARN to be a commercial pilot UNDER SUPERVISION.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#246. To: Rotara (#104)
With AGitprop, I'm going to say defense industry suck ass.
#247. To: wudidiz, buckeroo (#244)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#248. To: RickyJ, buckeroo (#246)
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#249. To: AGAviator (#248)
You're not important enough to have anybody from the defense industry post to you.
#250. To: AGAviator (#247)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
#251. To: AGAviator (#248)
Tell me one Congress person or government official you've had take up your "the government did 911" conspiracy theory in the last 8 years
#252. To: AGAviator (#247)
#253. To: RickyJ, buckeroo (#249)
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a minimum wage stooge...shows with every post you make
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#254. To: All (#253)
We're alien hybrids - the apex of my learning so far
#255. To: AGAviator, RickyJ (#253)
Promising "any day now" as though you can repeat the same thing day after day, year after year, and expect a different result than the one you've already been handed day after day, year after year.
We're alien hybrids - the apex of my learning so far
#256. To: All (#254)
"Pull it"
We're alien hybrids - the apex of my learning so far
#257. To: AGAviator (#253)
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You're the one flogging 8 year old CT's that fewer people believe in than believe in ET abductions.
#258. To: wudidiz, buckeroo (#255)
I think it was Edison who said he didn't mind failing 500 times because that meant he was 500 steps closer to succeeding
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#259. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, Rotara, buckaroo, James_Deffenbach (#98)
What has become apparent is that he is either in the military or been in it. That's why I am guessing he works for the CENTCOM disinfo squad.
#260. To: RickyJ (#242)
#261. To: AGAviator (#171)
continue to note with every post that Noam Chomsky states the 911 CT's take discourse into unproductive territories, which is why they're not seriously suppressed by the PTB.
#262. To: IRTorqued (#170)
there you go using words AGovshill and bucky won't understand, again. their school girl tears will be a deluge which in past cases have washed away entire threads. with the amount tooth gnashing they've done they will have but bony gums by tomorrow.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#263. To: IRTorqued (#178)
hey bucky thanks for the new tag line.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#264. To: wudidiz, Cynicom, christine (#185)
Cyni, People are free to block the thread and/or any posters they don't like. Picture how many posts there would be if not for the 9/11 posts.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#265. To: abraxas (#203)
buckeroo: "... but will anyone research your posts?..."
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#266. To: wudidiz (#217)
"So, now I am a liar, a lamebrain and a dimwit." -- buckeroo, circa 2010-07-16 20:04:00 ET
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#267. To: James Deffenbach, Christine (#264)
Locking the threads so that they go down the memory hole plays into their hands in my opinion.
#268. To: Cynicom, buckeroo, turtle (#267)
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One. Nowhere in organized society is ANYONE allowed to express themselves with vulgar and obscene language. Expressing a view in acceptable language IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Expressing ones view in gutter language is acceptable NOWHERE
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
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