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Title: The 9/11 conspiracy plots thicken
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URL Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht ... /2003250424_911conspire09.html
Published: Sep 09, 2006
Author: Michael Powell, wapo
Post Date: 2010-07-19 22:23:35 by Dakmar
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They are politically diverse and include academics, ex-officials and Web surfers. All share a belief that the Bush administration played a role in the 9/11 attacks. Their numbers seem to speak to Americans' innate distrust of their government. The Washington Post NEW YORK — He felt no shiver of doubt in those first terrible hours. He watched the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and assumed al-Qaida had wreaked terrible vengeance. He listened to anchors and military experts and assumed the facts of Sept. 11, 2001, were as stated on the screen. It was a year before David Ray Griffin, an eminent liberal theologian and philosopher, began his stroll down the path of disbelief. He wondered why Bush listened to a child's story while the nation was attacked and how Osama bin Laden, America's Public Enemy No. 1, escaped in the mountains of Tora Bora. He wondered why 110-story towers crashed and military jets failed to intercept even one airliner. He read the 9/11 Commission report with a swell of anger. Contradictions were ignored and no military or civilian official was reprimanded, much less cashiered. "To me, the report read as a cartoon," Griffin said. "It's a much greater stretch to accept the official conspiracy story than to consider the alternatives." Such as? "There was massive complicity in this attack by U.S. government operatives." If that feels like a skip off the cliff of established reality, more Americans are in free fall than you might guess. There are few more startling measures of American distrust of leaders than the extent of belief that the Bush administration had a hand in the attacks of Sept. 11 to spark an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. 36 percent suspicious A recent Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 Americans found that 36 percent suspect the U.S. government promoted the attacks or intentionally sat on its hands. Sixteen percent believe explosives brought down the towers. Twelve percent believe a cruise missile hit the Pentagon. Distrust percolates more strongly near Ground Zero. A Zogby International poll of New York City residents two years ago found 49.3 percent believed the government "consciously failed to act." Establishment assessments of the believers tend toward the psychotherapeutic. Many academics, politicians and thinkers left, right and center say the conspiracy theories are a case of one plus one equals five. It's a piling up of improbabilities. Thomas Eager, a professor of materials science at MIT, has studied the collapse of the twin towers. "At first, I thought it was amazing that the buildings would come down in their own footprints," Eager says. "Then I realized that it wasn't that amazing — it's the only way a building that weighs a million tons and is 95 percent air can come down." But the chatter out there is loud enough for the National Institute of Standards and Technology to post a Web "fact sheet" poking holes in the conspiracy theories and defending its report on the towers. Motley crew The loose agglomeration known as the "9/11 Truth Movement" has stopped looking for truth from the government. A cacophonous and free-range a bunch of conspiracists, they produce hip-hop inflected documentaries and scholarly conferences. The Web is their mother lode. Every citizen is a researcher. Did you see that the CIA met with bin Laden in a hospital room in Dubai? Check out this Pakistani site; there are really weird doings in Baluchistan ... Peter Knight, senior lecturer in American studies at the University of Manchester and editor of the 2002 book "Conspiracy Nation: The Politics of Paranoia in Postwar America," called the movement "a strange beast, an amalgam of elements. You've got the anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war crowd — you know, if they lied about the war, maybe they lied about 9/11. Another part is people merely interested in the anomalies, with no preconceived political agenda. "Then you have the more traditional right-wing conspiracy part of the continuum that believes a vast cabal has taken over the United States, the mega-conspiracy of the right's new world order. To them, all of these things are connected. Each group inserts 9/11 into its pre-existing conspiracy model." The academic wing is led by Griffin, who founded the Center for a Postmodern World at Claremont University; James Fetzer, a tenured philosopher at the University of Minnesota; and Daniel Orr, retired chairman of the economics department at the University of Illinois. Professor suspended The movement's de facto minister of engineering is Steven Jones, a tenured physics professor at Brigham Young University who has studied vectors and velocities and tested explosives and concluded that the collapse of the twin towers is best explained as controlled demolition, sped by a thousand pounds of high-grade thermite. Jones has been placed on paid leave while the Mormon-church-owned school investigates his claims, it was announced Friday. The physicist published his views two weeks ago in the book "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out." Former Reagan aide Barbara Honegger is a senior military-affairs journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School in California. She's convinced, based on her freelance research, that a bomb went off about six minutes before an airplane hit the Pentagon — or didn't hit it, as some believe the case may be. Then there's Morgan O. Reynolds, appointed by George W. Bush as chief economist at the Labor Department. He left in 2002 and doesn't think much of his former boss. "Who did it? Elements of our government and M-16 and the Mossad. The government's case is a laugh-out-loud proposition. They used patsies and lies and subterfuge and there's no way that Bush and Cheney could have invaded Iraq without the help of 9/11," Reynolds asserts. They are cantankerous and sometimes distrust each other — who knows where the double agents lurk? But unreasonable questions resonate with the reasonable. Colleen Kelly's brother, a salesman, had breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant on Sept. 11. After he died she founded September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows to oppose the Iraq war. She lives in the Bronx and gives a gingerly embrace to the conspiracy crowd. "Sometimes I listen to them and I think that's sooooo outlandish and bizarre," she says. "But that day had such disastrous geopolitical consequences. If David Ray Griffin asks uncomfortable questions and points out painful discrepancies, good for him." Griffin's book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," sold more than 100,000 copies and became a movement founding stone. Last year he traveled through New England, giving speeches. One evening in West Hartford, Conn., 400 mostly middle-aged and upper-middle-class doctors and lawyers, teachers and social workers sat waiting. Griffin took the podium and laid down his ideas with calm and cool. He concluded: "It is already possible to know beyond a reasonable doubt one very important thing: The destruction of the World Trade Center was an inside job, orchestrated by domestic terrorists. The welfare of our republic and perhaps even the survival of our civilization depend on getting the truth about 9/11 exposed." The audience rose and applauded for more than a minute. No patience Chip Berlet, senior analyst at Political Research Associates, a Boston-based left-leaning think tank, is no fan of the 9/11 Commission. He believes a serious investigation should have led to indictments and the firing of incompetent generals and civilian officials. But he has no patience with the conspiracy theorists. "They don't do their homework; it's a kind of charlatanism," says Berlet. "They say there's no debris on the lawn in front of the Pentagon, but they base their analysis on a photo on the Internet. That's like analyzing an impressionist painting by looking at a postcard. "I love 'The X-Files' but I don't base my research on it. My vision of hell is having to review these [conspiracy] books over and over again." In the days after Sept. 11, experts claimed temperatures reached 2,000 degrees on the upper floors. Others claimed steel melted. Nope. What happened, says Eager, the MIT materials-science professor, is that jet fuel sloshed around and beams got rubbery. "It's not too much to think that you could have some regions at 900 degrees and others at 1,200 degrees, and that will distort the beams." The truth movement doesn't really care for Eager. A Web site casts a fisheye of suspicion at the professor and his colleagues. "Did the MIT have prior knowledge?" notes one chat room. "This is for sure another speculative topic ... " Professsor Jones' suspension was reported Friday by The Associated Press. Peter Knight was quoted by McClatchy Newspapers.
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#900. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#899)
Oh yeah, sneaking in for 900.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
i remember that.
Are you trying to say that Rumsfeld did NOT deliver an admission on 9/10/2001 that the DOD couldn't account for 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS? I don't recall any other such admission by a Secretary of Defense, ever.
I wonder if aggravator is saying or implying that they lose 2.3 trillion or so with every new administration or every year. Seems like a huge pile of money if they are "losing" that on a regular basis. Even just once is a huge pile of money.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The TOTAL US National Debt is currently a bit over 13 trillion dollars. If they lost 2.3 trillion each new administration, I think it'd be a bit higher than that, given that trillions go towards spending each year.... In 2009 the US government spent 3.5 trillion dollars, where it took in 2.1 trillion. Source: United States federal budget So that means they spent 1.7 trillion dollars more than they took in, adding that to the national debt. What it also means is that the DOD lost more money than what the US government took in back in 2009 from every tax resource at it's disposal. Hell, I'd be happy with one thousandth of that 2.3 trillion, that'd be 2.3 BILLION dollars. Maybe even one millionth would be good, it's still 2.3 MILLION dollars. 2.3 trillion is a million chunks of 2.3 million dollars. That's a LOT of dough.
Of course it's a lot of money. That is why I was wondering if aggravator thinks--and I don't know if I should use the term "thinks" where he is concerned--that the sob's lose that much every few years and can't account for it. Like you, I would be very glad to have a thousandth of that or even a millionth. I could live like a king on that--even on half of that lesser amount, 1.15 million, would be enough to get by on a pretty good while.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Flagging Original_Intent and RickyJ to this post because I forgot to flag them to the previous one at #897 where they were mentioned. Look at the pole in front of the men in the picture you posted, FL. [also at 0:42 sec. in wudidiz's video at #729, #740, and #857] I wonder how what looks like a medical helicopter got parked so close to it. Must have been towed there when the propeller wasn't turning or it doesn't have a propeller, is all I can figure. I don't see how it could be started up in that parking space to be of any emergency use if it did have a propeller with that pole in the way. "Mr. Aviator", does that seem at all unusual to you or do you think maybe the lawn at the Pentagon was used like a storage junkyard for vehicles that didn't work good? Also, there's a picture of a 757 cockpit @ #730 which O_I posted but I oddly haven't been able to locate one for a Boeing 767-223ER like AA11 reportedly was. Could you plz see what you can do to find an example for the 223ER extension and post it for us? TIA.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm guessing that the distance from the pole to the helicoptor is actually greater, and that it is perceived as being so close due to the depth of field of the camera lens. In fact, if you look at where the bus is in relation to the men walking out of it at the further away shot at 0:46, it appears that the helicoptor isn't anywhere close to the pole, although it IS hidden behind the bus, so there's no way to get a good comparison. About them poles (especially those at the beginning). They wouldn't be the ones that were supposedly "clipped" and knocked down by the aircraft, are they?
In fact, if you look at where the bus is in relation to the men walking out of it at the further away shot at 0:46, it appears that the helicoptor isn't anywhere close to the pole, although it IS hidden behind the bus, so there's no way to get a good comparison. Yes, the comparison only raises even more questions and thanks for pointing that out. I'm gonna have to vote "No", though, on an optical illusion of depth perception as the explanation for such a big disparity between those 2 examples. Could be but aren't those to the right of the reporter around 0:46 the ones the guvbots say were knocked down? Sure does seem like one side or the other shouldn't still be in the area, according to the Official Storytellers.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
This video is the type of evidence that should result in criminal trials. Those who can ignore it (as honest folks are being murdered, "suicided" and otherwise destroyed for trying to expose the truth) may run right into their own consciences someday, and nothing anyone can say may be any comfort to them. For the first quarter of the 20th Century and then some my grandfather worked like a DAWG as a mechanic-welder at the long defunct Atlantic Coast Lines Railroad yard, and when he got home from work piss tired and aggravated he had little patience with my father's antics. More than a few times ol' Gramps would beat the living Hell out of Pop until Gramps and "Grammy" finally decided that Pop was incorrigible at the age of nine, and they gave him to North Carolina's infamous reform school system where he remained until he was 18 years old. It was my father's older sister, (Queen Of The Yummy Biscuit) my beloved Aunt Mae V. who told me how in his last years ol' Gramps would walk the streets in the evening weeping and muttering to himself, because he regretted what he did to his son all those years before. And, despite the spirited exchanges I've had with some here about the unspeakable evils of 9/11, I don't wish that type of regret on them. I just hope they understand that by providing cover for the most diabolical of un-American criminals, even in the abstract and from a distance, they are accruing moral and spiritual debt that can crush and even kill men of conscience. My grandfather was dedicated to the railroad, and he even received a commendation from The Budd Company for solving a problem that plagued rail travelers. Specifically, when a train was in the station and the generator wasn't turning the lights were powered by batteries which were stored under the toilets in the restrooms. Gramps welded up a bracket, extended and re-routed the cables and hung the batteries outside and underneath the skirt, which provided great relief to those who had suffered from the concentrated acid fumes in confined WC's for years. Like most working men with a strong work ethic his priorities were clear-he conserved his energy for his work and had no time for dealing with a boy who was struggling with adjustment problems of his own. (The city of Rocky Mount was not the same as growing up on a rural farm, something Gramps didn't understand) Priorities change as we get older. And those who are compelled to side with demons, shapeshifters, lizards and horned übercapitalists now may find that as a companion evil will offer cold comfort in their dotage.
I don't recall any other such admission by a Secretary of Defense, ever. It certainly didn't all happen on his watch. It went back decades. And why would he talk to the press about it on 9/10 then stage a hijacking one day later? After all, you guys are saying "they" didn't even want to do a 100% freefall speed CD because "they" didn't want people to be suspicious.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So let's parse your earlier post @850..... What makes you think the entire system id OFF THEIR GAME to begin with? All 19 of the illegal MFers were permitted by the state department free and capable liberty and freedoms in the USA... some (in fact) received US government training for their flight training. NORAD watches international flights over the Northern Hemisphere for Canada and the USA: Apparently you don't understand that America is not invincible... just as your obvious sidekicks, FL and O_L, you believe in some sort of government control to protect you at all times; this has never been the case. That isn't true at all. What evidence? Show a single FACT or witness about government involvement. Any PROOF with witnesses, documentation or even someone coming forward? Government knows only force ... but it doesn't have capability to perform clandestine power OVER the people. You must cite this idea with absolute proof. Until then, I am sceptical of your post. Don't you feel you get carried away at times? And MORE carried away? No fats? No proof? Just suspicion. And? What's this got to do with 9/11? Are you sure you are capable of discussing issues directly related with 9// or are you just another sanctimonious glutton for emotional appeal? Makes me want to cry... is this directly related to 9/11? Was Chesty alive and kicking on 9/11? You are off topic begging for emotional scenarios out of context with 9/11 events. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Sorry buck, but your reply is too late. But if you study hard and ace the finals (and don't ask Mom for help next time) you can still pass this course.
? Oh, you want an emotional slap on the back? Your post @850 sucked.... no FACTS, NO EVIDENCE, NO DOCUMENTATION, NO WITNESSES.. NADA.... You are just using an emotional appeal... have you ever thought of running for a US government elected position.... based on both the dumbfucks that vote and your emotional appeal... you could be at the helm.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Excellent post, Dawg.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. It certainly didn't all happen on his watch. It went back decades. You can't say that with any degree of certainty. It's quite possible that earlier corruption was hidden within legitimate expendatures and accounted for at least. Here, they just simply couldn't account for where 2.3 TRILLION dollars went. It's not the same as not being able to account for a few million here or there, it's 2.3 million TIMES a million dollars that just sort of got "misplaced" somehow. And why would he talk to the press about it on 9/10 then stage a hijacking one day later? Ask him, maybe he'll let you in on his plan. After all, you guys are saying "they" didn't even want to do a 100% freefall speed CD because "they" didn't want people to be suspicious. Besides "looking suspicious", it would have been a dead giveaway since the explosions would have been visible. The delay utilized allowed the dust cloud to obscure the actual collapse, making the demolition neatly concealed behind it. Such demolition wasn't so well concealed on WTC7, where it was blatently a controlled demolition. Besides the building falling at free fall speed, it also collapsed from the bottom up, rather than from the top down. Normal controlled demolitions are bottom up, rather than top to bottom as occured at the WTC towers.
Thank you my friend.
Looks like buck has taken a liking to you HD, sort of like how a flea invested stray dog who's just been shooed away by one group of people manages to find another passerby's leg to hump, till he too get's a bit annoyed and shoos him off.
I see how you intentionally publickly berate me. Yet, you are a self-admitted LIAR,DECEITFUL POSTER incapable of striking an opinion worth any merit.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
great video, passing on to others.
Name calling is juvenile.
buck bears the scars from his honorable service in Vietnam. Not only has he earned the right to write what he feels but, I will always respect him even as we disagree. Despite my passionate and hopefully convincing assertions on this issue, I'm far more certain of what is kind than what is true. Given a choice between sharing my chocolate rations with buck or kicking him for the things he writes to me, I'd still choose the former.
Thank you sweets.
Despite my passionate and hopefully convincing assertions on this issue, I'm far more certain of what is kind than what is true. Given a choice between sharing my chocolate rations with buck or kicking him for the things he writes to me, I'd still choose the former. Name calling is juvenile.
You follow the crowd of depots, never understanding anything more than other than your lamebrain, cockamamie BS that you post. You scored less than the square root of -1 on post850. No facts, no witnesses, no documentation.... just pure BS.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Poor bucky, memorized all the answers but never understood the questions...
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
Bumping this
Might be a bit of karma for you public berating of Original_Intent. You can't alter the laws of the universe Buck......you get what you give. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
That's what the news accounts at the time say.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have QUESTIONS ... but in the face of a conspiracy... where are the FACTS, where are the WITNESSES, where is the DOCUMENTATION? One sliver of detail BEYOND pure speculation would suffice for poor ol' bucky.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Most excellent video and post HOUNDDAWG. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Ok Buck. You convinced me.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
lol.....brown noser. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
There are thousands of reasons to question the official 911 narrative, not the least of which is what happened to the engines on the plane that hit the pentagon? The wings would not have just folded under, letting the entire aircraft slip though the hole created by the fuselage. I know there were pictures of jet engines inside the pentagon, but I can't imagine how they would have wound up there without making their own holes, it's simple Newtonian physics.
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
You do KNOW I'm just kidding with you on 930.......right? I don't want you to get your panties all in a wad. lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Thanks for the concern. You know I was tricking buck when I said he convinced me. Right.
Of course, but you are prone to getting irate before getting the joke sometimes so I was minimizing drama. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I have adjusted your status.
Up or down? lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
up.
I LOVE UP!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
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#901. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#899)
Here is another memory but it needs verifying. Some time ago I read that the wing of the Pentagon struck on Sept. 11, 2001, housed relatively few people but did include the accounting staff and the records pertaining to the missing $2.3 trillion.
#902. To: AGAviator, GreyLmist (#898)
The missing funds stories at the Pentagon actually go back decades and cover several administrations both Democrat & Republican. The processes in the Pentagon and its contractors were always sloppy.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#903. To: FormerLurker (#902)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#904. To: James Deffenbach (#903)
I wonder if aggravator is saying or implying that they lose 2.3 trillion or so with every new administration or every year. Seems like a huge pile of money if they are "losing" that on a regular basis. Even just once is a huge pile of money.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#905. To: FormerLurker (#904)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#906. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, RickyJ, wudidiz, AGAviator (#871)
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#907. To: GreyLmist, Original_Intent, RickyJ, wudidiz, AGAviator (#906)
Look at the pole in front of the men in the picture you posted, FL. [also at 0:42 sec. in wudidiz's video at #729, #740, and #857] I wonder how what looks like a medical helicopter got parked so close to it. Must have been towed there when the propeller wasn't turning or it doesn't have a propeller, is all I can figure. I don't see how it could be started up in that parking space to be of any emergency use if it did have a propeller with that pole in the way.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#908. To: FormerLurker (#907)
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I'm guessing that the distance from the pole to the helicoptor is actually greater, and that it is perceived as being so close due to the depth of field of the camera lens.
About them poles (especially those at the beginning). They wouldn't be the ones that were supposedly "clipped" and knocked down by the aircraft, are they?
#909. To: James Deffenbach, To, buckeroo, wudidiz, abraxas, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, christine, Jethro_Tull, SonOfLiberty, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, AGAviator, farmfriend (#896)
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#910. To: FormerLurker, GreyLmist, buckeroo, turtle, critter, (#902)
Are you trying to say that Rumsfeld did NOT deliver an admission on 9/10/2001 that the DOD couldn't account for 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#911. To: HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz, abraxas, FormerLurker, Original_Intent, christine, Jethro_Tull, SonOfLiberty, Original_Intent, FormerLurker, AGAviator, farmfriend (#893)
I took the time to write something meaningful, and you disrespect me with this shit?
The govt intercepts about 100 flights per year for various reasons and without a miss.
THAT DAY, NORAD and the entire system was off their game.
The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is a bi-national United States and Canadian organization charged with the missions of aerospace warning and aerospace control for North America. Aerospace warning includes the monitoring of man-made objects in space, and the detection, validation, and warning of attack against North America whether by aircraft, missiles, or space vehicles, through mutual support arrangements with other commands. Aerospace control includes ensuring air sovereignty and air defense of the airspace of Canada and the United States. The May 2006 NORAD Agreement renewal added a maritime warning mission, which entails a shared awareness and understanding of the activities conducted in U.S. and Canadian maritime approaches, maritime areas and inland waterways.
In North America hijacked planes just don't turn off transponders, leave their flight paths and leisurely jet to their destinations unless those in power want them to arrive. And if that was the case it may not have been necessary for any schmucks to actually fly the planes.
The evidence of govt involvement is overwhelming, but some cannot accept it because it requires them to see the shadow govt and their stooges for the truly diabolical creatures that they are.
It's one of our worst kept secrets that at command level in DC they will kill any Munchkin or even their own (Vince Foster, Paul Wellstone, William Colby) that threatens to side with the "enemy", the dumbshit people who actually believe in moral absolutes, i.e. Jesus, ethics, patriotism, loyalty, the constitution, etc.,.
You must understand that many people would rather send you to prison than to accept the unpleasant truth about the govt they serve(d) and themselves.
It's no diff than when a stacked jury is asked to choose between the truth about the income tax while admitting they've been played as fools for years, or, they can consider themselves "highly intelligent, patriotic and law abiding" by convicting the annual publicity target selected to "stimulate voluntary compliance".
State worship is the religion of former KGB snitches and the defenders of the govt's ever changing 9/11 fairie tale and as a religion it should not be underestimated. Hell, I'd bet that most of the assassins in The Phoenix Program still believe in what they did. They certainly aren't likely to grow consciences and face the fact that they are no different than any other murdering cutthroats in history. ("Dear Pentagon, Please stop sending my pension cheacks as I can no longer in good conscience accept them..." Riiiiiight. That'll be the day)
Some assassins no doubt believed that their uniforms and military protocol ennobled their evil, just as some feel that Sicilian tradition, or wars fought under the banners of gang or ethnic loyalties (Bloods vs. Crips) are enough to allow them to remain "good Christians" or at the very least "noble warriors". (The Vatican Bank's laundering of mafia funds certainly did nothing to undermine this belief)
If you compare Major General Smedley Darlington Butler (WAR IS A RACKET) to Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller it's easy to see that one flag officer was a man of good conscience who refused to use the flag as a blindfold while the other at the age of 67 asked to be reinstated for Vietnam, presumably ignoring the fact that our troops were dying in an undeclared "police action war" while Rockefeller's oil tankers never stopped moving in and out of "enemy harbors". (No declaration of war=no Geneva Convention protection. What 'Nam-era flag officer demanded this protection for his troops? Why, none as a matter of fact. BIG OIL and the MIC had needs after all....)
A true patriot (like Butler) would criticize wars for crooked banker lackey-politicians. (like Kissinger) But, a state worshiper who apparently believed that all of his medals were awarded for honor (like Puller) was just too stupid to see that his self deception resulted in service to a truly diabolical god. His stupidity was reinforced by the fact that the truth was considered too rude to mention in polite company, i.e. a room filled with newspaper editors, politicians, diplomats, corporate profiteers and career climbing military officers.
Puller's son was horribly maimed in 'Nam and after years as a govt lawyer, an unsuccessful campaign for Congress and writing the book FORTUNATE SON he eventually committed suicide.
I'm not going to wish that it was his father who suffered the loss of both legs and parts of his hands in a mine explosion. But, I have to wonder if "Chesty" would have proudly borne his son's life changing injuries. He certainly didn't seem to believe that the men he commanded who were killed and injured in service to Big Oil or UNITED FRUIT CO. were wasted.
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#913. To: HOUNDDAWG (#912)
Sorry buck, but your reply is too late.
#914. To: HOUNDDAWG (#909)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#915. To: AGAviator, GreyLmist, critter (#910)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#916. To: James Deffenbach (#914)
#917. To: HOUNDDAWG (#912)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#918. To: FormerLurker (#917)
Looks like buck has taken a liking to you HD, sort of like how a flea invested stray dog get's shooed away by one group of people, then finds another passerby's leg to hump, till he too get's a bit annoyed and shoos him off.
#919. To: HOUNDDAWG (#909)
#920. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, wudidiz, abraxas, Original_Intent, christine, Jethro_Tull, SonOfLiberty, farmfriend, James_Deffenbach (#917)
#921. To: farmfriend (#919)
#922. To: HOUNDDAWG (#920)
buck bears the scars from his honorable service in Vietnam. Not only has he earned the right to write what he feels but, I will always respect him even as we disagree.
#923. To: HOUNDDAWG (#920)
Despite my passionate and hopefully convincing assertions on this issue,
#924. To: buckeroo, HOUNDDAWG (#923)
You follow the crowd of depots, never understanding anything more than other than your lamebrain, cockamamie BS that you post.
#925. To: HOUNDDAWG, *9-11* (#909)
#926. To: buckeroo, Originial_Intent, FormerLurker (#918)
I see how you intentionally publickly berate me.
#927. To: FormerLurker (#915)
You can't say that with any degree of certainty. It's quite possible that earlier corruption was hidden within legitimate expendatures and accounted for at least.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#928. To: Dakmar (#924)
Poor bucky, memorized all the answers but never understood the questions...
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#930. To: buckeroo (#928)
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#935. To: abraxas (#934)
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#938. To: A K A Stone (#937)
I have adjusted your status.
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