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Title: How Long Will the Public Tolerate Afghan War?
Source: townhall.com
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Byro ... he_public_tolerate_afghan_war#
Published: Jul 20, 2010
Author: Byron York
Post Date: 2010-07-20 08:28:39 by Eric Stratton
Keywords: None
Views: 122
Comments: 9

How Long Will the Public Tolerate Afghan War? Byron York

Gen. David Petraeus sailed through Senate confirmation so quickly in late June that few people noticed what he had to say about his new job as commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

Petraeus told the Senate Armed Services Committee that American forces face many more battles against a determined and resilient Taliban. "My sense is that the tough fighting will continue," Petraeus said. "Indeed, it may get more intense in the next few months."

But Petraeus said that as the fighting increases -- and American casualties rise -- the public should remember that "progress is possible" in Afghanistan. Petraeus knows that's true, he explained, because he has seen it.

"For example, nearly 7 million Afghan children are now in school as opposed to less than 1 million a decade ago under Taliban control," Petraeus said. "Immunization rates for children have gone up substantially and are now in the 70 to 90 percent range nationwide. Cell phones are ubiquitous in a country that had virtually none during the Taliban days."

It was an extraordinary moment. Americans overwhelmingly supported the invasion of Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. In eight and a half years of war there, 1,190 American service members have died. And after all that sacrifice, the top American commander is measuring the war's progress by school attendance, child immunization and cell-phone use.

That sort of nation building, especially in a place as primitive as Afghanistan, has never been popular with American voters. It's especially unpopular when combined with highly restrictive rules of engagement that have tied the hands of the nearly 100,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan, exposing them to danger from an enemy they're not allowed to strike.

Petraeus has promised to review those rules in light of evidence they have caused needless American deaths. The latest example came in the Rolling Stone article that led to the firing of Petraeus' predecessor, Gen. Stanley McChrystal. The article told how U.S. commanders wanted to destroy an abandoned house used by the Taliban to launch attacks, but were denied permission. Then, a 23-year-old Army corporal was killed there.

"Does that make any f--king sense?" a fellow soldier asked. "You sit and ask yourself: What are we doing here?"

In another scene detailed by author Michael Hastings, a soldier confronted McChrystal about the rules. "We aren't putting fear into the Taliban," he told the general.

"Winning hearts and minds in (counterinsurgency operations) is a coldblooded thing," McChrystal responded. "The Russians killed 1 million Afghans, and that didn't work."

"I'm not saying go out and kill everybody, sir," the soldier responded. "You say we've stopped the momentum of the insurgency. I don't believe that's true in this area. The more we pull back, the more we restrain ourselves, the stronger it's getting."

Put aside the fact that American leaders in Afghanistan are unironically using the phrase "hearts and minds" -- the very words used to describe the folly of U.S. policy in the Vietnam era. Does the American public want to continue a war in which Americans die because they're not allowed to fight back when attacked, all for the purpose of increasing school attendance, child immunization and cell-phone use?

President Obama's deadline to begin withdrawing U.S. troops in July 2011 was a topic of much discussion at the Petraeus hearing. There's disagreement in the Senate over the timeline, but the public's opinion is clear.

A recent Gallup survey found that 58 percent of those questioned support Obama's timetable, versus 38 percent who oppose. Of those opposed, 7 percent say they're against the timetable because withdrawal starts too late. Add them to the 58 percent who support withdrawal as scheduled, and you have 65 percent of Americans who want a withdrawal that begins no later than July of next year.

Given the dreary assessments we've heard from Petraeus and McChrystal, it's unlikely any great victories in Afghanistan will change those opinions. This is not a blame-Obama issue. The first seven years of the war were not his doing. But the decision to leave or stay in Afghanistan is his to make.

Near the end of the Rolling Stone article, one of McChrystal's top aides, Maj. Gen. Bill Mayville, gave a bleak forecast of the war's end. "It's not going to look like a win, smell like a win or taste like a win," Mayville said. "This is going to end in an argument."

If that's the case, why not just get out and start the argument now?

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#1. To: All (#0)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-20   8:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

How Long Will the Public Tolerate Afghan War?

The powers that be will ensure that we don't pull out till the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline is completed, operational, and secure.

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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-20   10:01:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

when i'm out and about, i never hear anyone talking about it. except for those who have troops there, few care. further, i bet there's a large number who aren't even aware of it.

christine  posted on  2010-07-20   10:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-20   12:08:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

"For example, nearly 7 million Afghan children are now in school as opposed to less than 1 million a decade ago under Taliban control," Petraeus said. "Immunization rates for children have gone up substantially and are now in the 70 to 90 percent range nationwide

And we should bleed and die for for what reason??? We take care of our own, why not leave them to their own devices? The third world will NEVER be brought up to first world level. We however are on our way down.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-20   12:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

And we should bleed and die for for what reason???

Harper' Ferry, the Maine, the Lusitania, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Gulf, 9-11.

Institutionalized mythography.

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-07-20   13:34:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#6)

Institutionalized mythography.

Yes Sir.

Ever been to Harpers Ferry???

At the top of the mountain at confluence of Potomac and Shenandoah Rivers there is a huge boulder from which one may view a huge swath of America.

On that boulder, in the past have stood many men, including Washington, Jefferson, LaFayette and numerous others I no longer recall, and oh yes most important of all, Cyni stood there also.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-20   13:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

Yeah, been there.

You kin feel the winds of our history blowing past your ears up upon those heights. It's as palpable as the sensible presence of the ghosts of shattered men at Gettysburg.

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-07-20   19:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: randge (#8)

Over the years, we took the children there, Gettysburg, Appomattox etc etc, when they were young and then we went back the second time when they were more aware of what they were seeing.

Standing in the field where Gen. Lee ordered the last charge at Gettysburg by Pickett, I could hear it all. Insanity of brother against brother. But the government then as now needed to be brought down, so our ancestors fought, will we????

No.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-07-20   19:52:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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