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Title: This Land Is Whose Land?
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer221.html
Published: Jul 21, 2010
Author: Butler Shaffer
Post Date: 2010-07-21 06:45:57 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 165
Comments: 4

One of the current questions that helps to distinguish libertarians from conservatives is that involving so-called "illegal immigration." Because conservatives acknowledge the legitimacy of the state, they tend to regard it as an entity entitled to exercise the same rights of exclusion as do property owners generally. The state’s claim to sovereign authority over its territorial boundaries largely goes unquestioned by most conservatives. If persons from another nation wish to enter the territory claimed by the state, it is appropriate for the entrant to have to get that state’s permission.

Whether one rejects the legitimacy of the state entirely, or regards it as only the agent of those who have selected it to protect their lives and property interest under some illusory "social contract" theory [a topic I explored in my previous article] it is difficult – from the perspective of a libertarian – to think of any political system as enjoying "rights" that parallel those of human beings. As the state had no existence prior to the appearance of humans who either created it, or who were conquered by it, it is hard to grasp an argument that would recognize this entity as having any interests that preceded its creation, and that did not derive either by contract or by violence. No evidence exists for any political system having arisen through mutual agreement of those to be bound, and with a fairly universal rejection of the idea that one can legitimately acquire the interests of some through their forcible usurpation, the state has no claim to the exercise of "rights" that any libertarian would be bound to respect.

The Anglo-American legal system confines property ownership to "persons," i.e., to self-owning, self-controlling beings. This is why your dog or cat cannot be property owners (people who provide for such animals in their wills leave the property to a trustee who, in turn, will make decisions for them). This is what made the Dred Scott case – with which I begin my Property class each year – so important: was Scott a "person" or the "property" of his master? This also explains the existence of "corporations" as artificial, legal persons, a concept rife with contradictions and inconsistencies not applicable to natural persons.

Can political systems be regarded as "owners"? If so, on what basis? If the state is our agent, upon what logic could it be said to enjoy a claim of ownership against us, its alleged principals? If the ownership of property is an extension of self-ownership, does the state enjoy this same fundamental quality as do the rest of us? If my neighbor and I are self-owning beings – each unable, in principle, to compel the other’s actions – is the state a coequal in this arrangement? If the state wishes to engage in a war, and the rest of us oppose such action, must we respect its decision in the same way we would respect our neighbor’s acts? Is this why voting in elections has historically been such a waste of time, as the state insists upon pursuing its own interests regardless for whom we vote? If the state had been created via a social contract, and if it is considered a self-owning being entitled to own and control property, could those who allegedly created it also agree to terminate it? Is a parent entitled to end the life of its child?

There are too many unexamined questions involved in our recognizing the rights of ownership residing within the state. I have explored many of these issues in my book, Boundaries of Order. Suffice it to say that the authority of the state to prevent foreign persons from entering its territorial boundaries without permission is dependent upon its being able to make a property claim thereto.

Supporters of government restraints on immigration make the deadly mistake of conflating individual and collective claims of ownership, a stance reflecting how deeply embedded collectivism is in our culture. If someone, without my consent, decides to pitch a tent and reside on my front lawn, I would be entitled to remove him; to exclude him from the enjoyment of what is mine. But if this same person decided to take up residence on unowned land, what claim could I legitimately make against his doing so? Further, if all this other person sought to do was to enter the United States, without anyone’s permission, what principles could be invoked to give credibility to the arguments that he ought to be removed?

With the exception of land subject to a claim of ownership by a self-owning person, I am unable to find any principle that could be invoked to prevent people from wandering – or flying to – wherever they choose on the planet. As the state has no legitimacy that I am prepared to recognize, its claim of authority to restrict such movement must fail. To believe otherwise is to confine mankind to primitive, tribal explanations of human society. Modern technologies – particularly the Internet – are premised on the transcendence of traditional geographically-defined social boundaries.

We humans have generated so much conflict, destructiveness, wars, and other social dislocations because of our failure to respect the inviolability of one another’s property interests. The state thrives on such trespasses; could not operate without them. We have been thoughtless enough to let the state get away with its contrived conflicts that set us at war with one another. We buy into this self-perpetuating racket because, to do otherwise, would require us to burden our minds with thoughts we prefer not to consider. We prefer to be entertained – perhaps to wonder who will be the next "American Idol," or to follow the daily CNN drama on an oil spill.

One of the many diversions offered to keep us focused on the politically-generated conflicts that the state promises to resolve, is found in the mobilization of our dark-side forces. In times of social turmoil – such as we are now experiencing – we feel comfortable in finding "scapegoats" for our problems. So-called "terrorists" – people who react to the American foreign policies most of us prefer not to examine – can be used as a rationalization for bombing and killing people who have caused us no harm. It is enough, for most Americans, to have a president label another nation as "terrorist" and then support an attack upon it.

Dark-side energies can also be set in motion against racial and ethnic groups, whose visible characteristics make them easy targets for collective aggression. While motivations grounded in racial and cultural bigotry will be vigorously denied by those demanding more forceful state action against "illegal immigrants," it is difficult to imagine such a vociferous campaign being urged if people were streaming into the United States from Canada rather than Mexico. For much the same reasons that most Americans found it acceptable, during World War II, to put Japanese-Americans into concentration camps (ooops, "relocation centers"), but would have rejected efforts to round up and imprison Americans of German ancestry, the current war against Central-American immigrants is easier to sustain.

That the state can rely upon so many of us to activate our dark-side forces on behalf of an immigration "problem" whose resolution will expand police-state powers, is but another example of how we generate the inter-group conflicts that are required by political systems for their continuing health. But beyond this is to be found the further deterioration of the private property principle, and an expansion of the more simplistic sentiment grounded in collective ownership and authority.

As a closing thought, those who so eagerly beat the drums for government troops, walls, and other coercive means of controlling immigration into this country, might pause to reflect upon how they are here because their ancestors were free to enter what was once a country with open borders.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

This Land Is Whose Land?

He probably doesn't want to know...otherwise he raises some really good points.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-21   10:20:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

I am unable to find any principle that could be invoked to prevent people from wandering – or flying to – wherever they choose on the planet

I've yet to see -- and I will never see -- any writer at LRC comment on the fact the average black IQ is genetically 85, and the average wetback IQ is 89.

What's the mean average IQ in northern Europe? Why would I -- and Butler for that matter -- rather live in Sweden than Zimbabwe?

Inquiring minds want to know, Butler.

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-21   11:20:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

more food for thought....

blast from the past.....

4um: Land-grant movement After decades of inaction, fight is gaining traction ( to Mexican heirs )

"Source: The New Mexican
URL Source: http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/13767.html
Published: May 22, 2005
Author: Ben Neary | The New Mexican
Post Date: 2005-05-22 19:18:00 by robin

Momentum is building to transfer federal lands in New Mexico to the heirs of Spanish and Mexican land grants.

Descendants of families who received government grants of land before New Mexico was annexed to the United States say that's the only way to correct injustices caused when their ancestors lost control of some of their properties.

While the prospect of fencing off forests and streams now open to the public riles many who aren't land-grant heirs, Gov. Bill Richardson and the New Mexico Legislature are urging Congress to transfer lands from the U.S. Forest Service and U.S. Bureau of Land Management to land-grant heirs.

Spokesmen for U.S. Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., and other members of the state's congressional delegation say they still haven't decided how to address the long-simmering land-grant situation.

But they say they intend to begin focusing on the issue in coming weeks and possibly draft legislation by this summer.

Using only cash to resolve the dispute is not a viable political option for land-grant activists who say their culture is tied to the land.

"Our No. 1 priority is land," Juan Sanchez, board of trustees president for the Chilili Land Grant southeast of Albuquerque, said recently. "We want the land."

A contentious history

The issues has roots in New Mexico's Spanish-colonial past, when Spain's royal government granted ownership of land to individuals or to entire communities, which used the land for such activities as grazing and wood gathering.

The government of Mexico continued the practice of issuing land grants after the country gained its independence in 1821.

Millions of acres were granted by Spain and Mexico to encourage settlement in what is now the American Southwest. Then came war with the United States.

Under the 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, which ended the Mexican War, the U.S. government pledged to respect private property in the New Mexico Territory, including land grants.

However, heirs to Spanish and Mexican land grants have claimed for decades that the U.S. government failed to live up to its obligations.

Last year, the U.S. General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, released a controversial study that upheld the federal government's procedures for reviewing land-grant claims in territorial days.

The GAO concluded the government had afforded land-grant heirs due process in the 1800s and said there is no legal obligation for Congress to do anything to address the land-grant situation.

Yet the GAO also concluded the grant-confirmation process was inefficient and created hardship for land-grant heirs. Accordingly, the investigators listed options that Congress could pursue to address the situation if it chose to, ranging from a simple apology to the possibility of cash reparations or actual transfer of federal lands.

In 1999, when Domenici got the GAO to undertake the study, he said he expected it could result in millions of acres of federal land being transferred to land-grant heirs.

This year, the state Legislature passed a memorial calling on Congress to create a trust fund for land-grant heirs or initiate "a program of land exchanges to allow for recovery of land by the community land grants."

Finding answers

Despite the GAO's finding of due process, Richardson says, he supports transferring federal land to heirs. "Because even though they may have been given due process, I believe it was a very weak due process," the governor, a former Northern New Mexico congressman, said in a recent interview. "Just because somebody was given due process doesn't mean that they were not victimized."

Richardson also said a lot of land-grant families have never been given suitable explanations as to how they lost land. "That's always been my fundamental view as I approach the land-grant issue: Give the land-grant families a reason why their land was taken," he said. "And secondly, the compensation issue has, in my judgment, never been addressed."

Since the state Legislature's Land Grant Interim Committee first convened in 2003, lawmakers have passed legislation that Richardson has signed into law recognizing land grants as political subdivisions of the state. That makes land grants eligible for both state and federal money.

This past session, the Legislature approved about $700,000 for projects on land grants around the state, including $250,000 that Richardson earmarked from his share of capital-outlay money for economic-development planning.

Letter of the law

Richardson said he's concerned the federal government has been too legalistic about the land-grant issue. "The federal government would say, 'Give us the deeds; give us the paper,' " Richardson said. "Well, these are very humble families, and in those days, your word was your bond. There weren't computers or water studies, so that was kind of a disingenuous argument."

Richardson said it's possible Congress could create a trust fund for land grants and pass legislation to transfer federal land to land grants within the next five to 10 years.

The state government and New Mexico's congressional delegation this year "should pursue these in Congress," he said.

Noting that he intends to meet soon with congressional representatives concerning the land-grant issue, Richardson said: "There's still plenty of time. The appropriations process hasn't started yet."

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=5815

20 years until Zionist regime's Disappearance

Ahlul Bayt News Agency – June 27, 2010

ABNA - According to Palestine al-Youm website, the CIA in the report predicted that formation of two separate countries for Palestinians and Israelis is impracticable, instead, a one-state solution would be offered which would be based on democratic principles of full equality aside from race and nationality.

It added a comprehensive and lasting solution is the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 Palestinian refugees to their homeland.

The study, which has been made available only to a certain number of individuals, further forecast the return of all Palestinian refugees to the occupied territories, and the exodus of two million Israelis - who would move to the US in the next 15 years. .

Meanwhile, International lawyer Franklin Lamb said "There is over 500,000 Israelis with American passports and more than 300,000 living in the area of just California," adding that those who do not have American or Western passport, have already applied for them.

Palestine al Youm reported CIA had already predicted the quick fall of the apartheid government in South Africa and disintegration of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s, suggesting the end to the dream of an 'Israeli land' would happen sooner or later.

The study further predicted the return of over one and a half million Israelis to Russia and other parts of Europe.

It added the number of the Israeli births has been declined whereas the Palestinian population is rising.

Some members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee have been informed of the report.

Source: abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=193528 / www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12945

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Edit.

According to Willie Martin, a lot of Mexicans are descended from Sephardi Jews.

Don't Fence Me In / Oh, give me land, Lots of land under starry skies above, Don't fence me in, Let me ride thru. The wide open country that I love, Don't fence me in. ...

bible.cc/isaiah/49-20.htm / bible.cc/isaiah/54-2.htm

[II Samuel 7:10, Ezekiel 34:11-13, Psalm 83:4, 12; Romans 4:6-8, Galatians 3:16-29. Will the real Israel please stand up?]

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-21   12:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada, *libertarians* (#0)

Interesting.


Name calling is juvenile.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-07-21   12:20:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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