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Published: Jul 25, 2010
Author: BILL HUGHES
Post Date: 2010-07-25 07:29:48 by Itistoolate
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Chapter One: Target America

© Truth Triumphant Ministries. All rights reserved.

TARGET: AMERICA

The United States must soon face the most deadly enemy it will ever have to face. This enemy is not only the usual military enemy, but it has the organization and the capability for massive espionage and clandestine operations within the United States. It uses a facade that is virtually perfect to hide its operations. In fact, right now, this enemy is working secretly to undermine the principles that made this country the greatest nation in the world. This enemy has infiltrated the highest levels and departments of the U. S. government, and poses an extreme danger to America. Let us look at a little history and understand the methods this enemy has used in the past and how it is secretly working today.

Europe was finally at rest. The Napoleonic Wars were now over, having lasted nearly 20 years. The brilliant and crafty Napoleon had spread Europe with the blood of her noblest sons. At long last, there was peace. In the aftermath, European sovereigns convened a general council in Vienna, Austria in 1814. This council has come to be known as the Congress of Vienna. The Congress continued its proceedings for one year, ending in 1815.

The Congress of Vienna was a black conspiracy against Popular Governments at which the ‘high contracting parties’ announced at its close that they had formed a ‘holy alliance.’ This was a cloak under which they masked to deceive the people. The particular business of the Congress of Verona, it developed, was the RATIFICATION of Article Six of the Congress of Vienna, which was in short, a promise to prevent or destroy Popular Governments wherever found, and to reestablish monarchy where it had been set aside. The ‘high contracting parties’ of this compact, which were Russia, Prussia, [Germany], Austria, and Pope Pius VII, king of the Papal States, entered into a secret treaty to do so. — Burke McCarty, The Suppressed Truth About the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Arya Varta Publishing, 1924, p. 7.

According to McCarty, the Congress of Vienna formed the Holy Alliance, whose primary goal was the destruction of all popular governments.

Popular governments are those where the government allows its subjects to enjoy certain inalienable rights. Can you think of any popular governments that were establishing themselves in the world and granting their citizens certain inalienable rights around the year 1815? Senator Robert L. Owen placed in the Congressional Record of April 25, 1916 the following statement, which shows clearly he thought the primary target of the “Holy Alliance” was the United States. The Holy Alliance having destroyed popular government in Spain, and in Italy, had well-laid plans also to destroy popular government in the American Colonies which had revolted from Spain and Portugal in Central and South America under the influence of the successful example of the United States.

It was because of this conspiracy against the American Republics by the European monarchies that the great English statesman, Canning, called the attention of our government to it. — Ibid. pp. 9, 10. (emphasis added). Senator Owen understood from the Congress of Vienna that the united monarchies of Europe would seek to destroy the great American republic and its blood-bought freedoms.

Senator Owen was not the only one who knew about this conspiracy against American freedom and the constitution. In 1894, R.W. Thompson, American Secretary of the Navy, wrote, The sovereigns of the ‘Holy Alliance’ had massed large armies, and soon entered into a pledge to devote them to the suppression of all uprisings of the people in favor of free government; and he [Pope Pius VII] desired to devote the Jesuits, supported by his pontifical power, to the accomplishment of that end. He knew how faithfully they would apply themselves to that work, and hence he counseled them, in his decree of restoration, to strictly observe the ‘useful advices and salutary counsels’ whereby Loyola had made absolution the cornerstone of the society. — R.W. Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt and Eaton, 1894, p. 251.

Thompson pinpointed exactly who would be the agents used by the monarchs of Europe to destroy the republic of America, namely, the Jesuits of Rome! Since 1815 there has been a continual assault on America by the Jesuits to try to destroy the constitutional rights of this great nation. The famous inventor of the Morse Code, Samuel B. Morse, also wrote of this sinister plot against the United States.

The author undertakes to show that a conspiracy against the liberties of this Republic is now in full action, under the direction of the wily Prince Metternich of Austria, who knowing the impossibility of obliterating this troublesome example of a great and free nation by force of arms, is attempting to accomplish his object through the agency of an army of Jesuits. The array of facts and arguments going to prove the existence of such a conspiracy, will astonish any man who opens the book with the same incredulity as we did. — Samuel B. Morse, Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States, Crocker and Brewster, 1835, Preface.

The array of books written that detail the sinister plots of the Congress of Vienna and the Jesuits against the American Republic are numerous. That this conspiracy has raged since 1815 is a fact of history. We will show that this conspiracy is in full force today and that it is the reason America is having so many problems at the present time and is so close to losing her freedoms.

Most people know very little about the Pope’s Jesuits. The reason for this is that they are a very secretive society. In order to understand what the Order of the Jesuits is, please consider the following quotation. Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy. When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were often concealed. It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of state, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind and dazzle and captivate the imagination, and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery. — E. G. White, The Great Controversy, pp. 234, 235, Pacific Press Publishing Assn., 1911.

The Jesuits function like the Papacy’s secret world-wide police. They are very secretive and go to great lengths to keep their operations secret. They tell no one that they are Jesuits. To all outside appearances, they appear as normal people. One last author will be cited here.

They are Jesuits. This society of men, after exerting their tyranny for upwards of two hundred years, at length became so formidable to the world, threatening the entire subversion of all social order, that even the Pope, whose devoted subjects they are, and must be, by the vow of their society, was compelled to dissolve them. [Pope Clement suppressed the Jesuit Order in 1773.]

They had not been suppressed, however, for fifty years, before the waning influence of Popery and Despotism required their useful labors, to resist the light of Democratic liberty, and the Pope [Pius VII] simultaneously with the formation of the Holy Alliance, [1815] revived the order of the Jesuits in all their power…

And do Americans need to be told what Jesuits are?… they are a secret society, a sort of Masonic order, with super added features of revolting odiousness, and a thousand times more dangerous. They are not merely priests, or of one religious creed; they are merchants, and lawyers, and editors, and men of any profession, having no outward badge by which to be recognized; they are about in all your society. They can assume any character, that of angels of light, or ministers of darkness, to accomplish their one great end… They are all educated men, prepared and sworn to start at any moment, and in any direction, and for any service, commanded by the general of their order, bound to no family, community, or country, by the ordinary ties which bind men; and sold for life to the cause of the Roman Pontiff. — J. Wayne Laurens, The Crisis in America: or the Enemies of America Unmasked, G. D. Miller, 1855, pp. 265-267.

Ignatius Loyola founded the Jesuit Order in the 1540s. Its position in the Roman Catholic Church was solidified during the Council of Trent, which ran from 1546 to 1563. The Council of Trent was convened with one great goal in mind: how to stop the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation began in 1517 when Martin Luther, the fearless German friar, nailed 95 theses on the door of the Wittenburg chapel. These theses challenged, among other things, the heinous doctrine of indulgences taught by Rome that declared a man could save himself and loved ones by dropping enough coins into the Catholic Church’s coffers.

Luther’s great teachings that the Bible only is the standard for all doctrine and practice, and that a person is justified before God through faith in Jesus Christ alone, sent thrills through the hearts of thousands throughout Europe and shock waves through the halls of the Vatican. Thus, the Council of Trent was convened to counter the Reformation; hence it is known as the Counter Reformation, and the Jesuits would be the chief tools of Rome to undo and destroy every trace of Protestantism wherever it was found.

America’s two greatest documents, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, are filled with Protestant declarations that are absolutely intolerable to the Jesuits of Rome. Does it surprise you that the Vatican condemns the founding documents of the United States? The Vatican condemned the Declaration of Independence as wickedness and called the Constitution of the United States a Satanic Document. — Avro Manhattan, The Dollar and the Vatican, Ozark Book Publishers, 1988, p. 26.

Here is part of the Jesuit Oath.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver, but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope… I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and the wombs of their women and crush their infants heads against the walls, http://www.

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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

The Vatican condemned the Declaration of Independence as wickedness and called the Constitution of the United States a Satanic Document

The Vatican has condemned any number of evil things, and lists every declaration, for centuries, publicly on their official website archives. Can you link to this alleged declaration? or is this something that 'Avro Manhattan' saw in secret? har.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2010-07-25   7:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Artisan, Itistoolate, all (#1)

The Vatican has condemned any number of evil things,

They "condemn" things. That takes no effort at all. It's a PR stunt. It's better to not do them in the first place BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG.

They were, and are now, intentional acts, not accidents.

They also cover up things, and attack those that they wronged.

They have a history that is beyond dispute. THey call themselves the "universal church", the true church. But damned if I can find anyplace in scriptures that Christ said to torture and murder those that wouldn't submit to their "popes" earthly rule.

In fact, you have this:

Matthew 18:18 KJV: Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

That is a good translation. So their popes that trace their authority and power back to the person(s) Christ was addressing have also loosed the rack and being burned alive into Heaven? Are there child molesters in the kingdom? How about murderers? Liars? Thieves? You know what it says.

But don't think I'm just picking on Catholics. Protestants do the same things. Organized religions are a curse. The world would be a better place without them.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-25   8:13:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Itistoolate (#0)

this may be my last post here

Why's that?

America’s two greatest documents, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, are filled with Protestant declarations that are absolutely intolerable to the Jesuits of Rome. Does it surprise you that the Vatican condemns the founding documents of the United States? The Vatican condemned the Declaration of Independence as wickedness and called the Constitution of the United States a Satanic Document. — Avro Manhattan, The Dollar and the Vatican, Ozark Book Publishers, 1988, p. 26.

I'd like to see some proof. I learned the hard way not to just take someones word for this, when it comes to catholicism. There is a lot of disinfo regarding them, and the truth is bad enough. For example, there's www.google.com/search?q=c...official&client=firefox-a

A lot of disinfo rides on that hoax.

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-25   9:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Itistoolate (#5)

I hope that you will continue on with us here.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-25   10:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Itistoolate (#0)

this may be my last post here

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christine  posted on  2010-07-25   10:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Itistoolate (#0) (Edited)

Vatican/Jesuits, Freemasons, antiChrist Jews, Bankers, Judeo-Christian (apostate) churches....they're all in it together....Once again, the history of America, founded with a cross and in the name of Jesus Christ and the spreading of the gospel, and the Holy War against her [summed up in Micah 4 and Psalm 2, not to mention Ezekiel 17:1-10 (John 15:1-2, Matthew 15:13)].

What About Those "Pilgrims"?

"....CONTROVERSIAL EXCERPTS FROM MY RESEARCH ON THE U.S.-BRITISH "SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP"

Aside from the two books previously mentioned, I am not aware of any expose of either the Pilgrim Society or the British-Speaking Union. On January 28, 1994, I was informed by a thirty-second degree Mason that the Grand Lodge of Texas is under orders of the Grand Lodge in Washington, D.C. which is under the Grand Lodge of England.

The Larouche position on "the English" was stated recently: "The most important constant in the history of the United States of America has been the implacable hostility of the British Empire and the London-centered British oligarchy. This hostility generated the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812 and the Civil War, in addition to many lesser clashes. But after Gettysburg and Vicksburg in 1863, the reality of US military and naval superiority forced London to come to terms with the inevitable persistence of the United States on the world scene as a great power for another century and more. By 1895-1898, galloping British decadence, expressed as industrial decline combined with a looming inability to maintain global naval domination, suggested to the circles of the soon-to-be King Edward VII the advisability of harnessing the power and resources of the United States to the British imperial chariot. Thus was born the London-Washington Special Relationship, under which the United States was established as London's auxiliary, proxy, and dupe through such stages as the 1898 Anglo-American rapprochement before Manila Bay, Edward VII's sponsorship of Theodore Roosevelt's aspirations to "Anglo-Saxon" respectability and, most decisively, Woodrow Wilson's declaration of war on Germany in April, 1917. Under the Special Relationship, London has parlayed its financial and epistemological dominance over the United States into profound and often decisive influence over US directions in foreign policy and finance."

In the past I have personally attended a number of Larouche meetings in Austin. I would not describe myself as a follower-particularly since at the last meeting the overt "Communist" philosophy of the lecturer became apparent; he stopped speaking in the middle of a prepared speech. However, the anti-British rhetoric of the Larouchites does, in my opinion, have a firm basis in historical fact.

George Washington, to his credit, accomplished much for this country and his "Farewell Message" is no more timely today. However, it has also been asserted that: "The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown has been well hidden by historians. History books and text books have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century."

The King James Masonic Bible lists George Washington as a Mason. He was initiated into Masonry in 1752.(5) He took his first degrees in the lodge of Fredericksburg, Virginia on November 4, 1752. He was then passed on March 3, 1753 and raised in August 4, 1753 to Master Mason. George Washington visited a British military Lodge under a flag of truce and received a degree in it (probably the Mark degreee).(6) On April 28, 1788, George Washington became Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22 and was re-elected on December 20, 1788. He was the only Brother to be president of the U.S. and Worshipful Master of his Lodge at the same time.(7) Old Juba, Washington's trusted slave, used to row a priest across the Potomac to visit him and "Marse George made the sign of the Cross befo' he eat." The tale of the skeleton in the family closet was the conversion of George to "Papistry." Bishop Carroll made the statement that Washington died as did Emperor Valentinia who was received into the Church before his death.(8)

When George Washington badly needed financial help to pay his soldiers, the international bankers loaned him funds contingent upon appointing Alexander Hamilton as the first Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton was all English at heart. He was an expert in British banking methods and was trained in the inner sanctum of international banking.(9) A retired Harvard professor once told students in his Oklahoma high school class that Hamilton and Washington agreed to a central bank if the war was ended.(10)

I have a Congressional Research Report that says as a fact that the first U.S. Bank was mostly foreign owned. On Yom Kippur Eve, 1779, Washington's soldiers, unpaid for months, were at a point of mutiny before a battle: "At last a desperate Washington sent a messenger on horseback through the night to Philadelphia with instructions to obtain, from Haym Salomon, a loan of $400,000, an enormous sum in those days, to pay and provision his troops. The messenger found Salomon in the synagogue, and a hasty whispered conference took place. Salomon rose and quickly moved about the synagogue, collecting certain friends. A small group left together, and that night the money was raised. Did Haym Salomon himself contribute $240,000 of the money? So the legend, perpetuated in many accounts, insists."(11)

Jonathan Williams (1750-1815), a dedicated American patriot, wrote in his now rare book, Legions of Satan (1781), that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Lord Lothian, the British Ambassador to Washington, once called George Washington the founder of the modern British Empire.(12) This is the very same Lord Lothian honored by the 1939 Pilgrims banquet! ......"

http://watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html

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Ignatius Loyola founded the Jesuit Order in the 1540s. Its position in the Roman Catholic Church was solidified during the Council of Trent, which ran from 1546 to 1563. The Council of Trent was convened with one great goal in mind: how to stop the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation began in 1517 when Martin Luther, the fearless German friar, nailed 95 theses on the door of the Wittenburg chapel. These theses challenged, among other things, the heinous doctrine of indulgences taught by Rome that declared a man could save himself and loved ones by dropping enough coins into the Catholic Church’s coffers.

Luther’s great teachings that the Bible only is the standard for all doctrine and practice, and that a person is justified before God through faith in Jesus Christ alone, sent thrills through the hearts of thousands throughout Europe and shock waves through the halls of the Vatican. Thus, the Council of Trent was convened to counter the Reformation; hence it is known as the Counter Reformation, and the Jesuits would be the chief tools of Rome to undo and destroy every trace of Protestantism wherever it was found.

The very Christian foundation of America [Ezekiel 17:1-6, John 15:1-2, (Matthew 15:13), Micah 4:1-2, Psalm 2]:

The Enduring Legacy of the First Landing

Posted: April 27, 2007

By Doug Phillips © 2010

Four hundred years ago yesterday, the world changed for the better.

A cross was planted in the ground and a prayer was offered to heaven. The cross was planted literally, but it was also planted spiritually.

The event was the first landing of the Jamestown settlers. One hundred and four of them arrived at Cape Henry on April 26, 1607. We remember the event as the "First Landing," but it might be better known as "Covenant Day" for America.

The rude wooden cross they stuck in the Virginia ground was more than an ebenezer of thanksgiving to God's providence. In fact, it was an actual gauntlet thrown in the face of the enemies of Christianity. It was a legal and spiritual challenge to all comers that declared, "This land now belongs to Christ and His people."

The man who stood with the colonists and directed his men in prayers to the Lord was the Rev. Robert Hunt, a man of impeccable character and heartfelt faith who was described by Capt. John Smith as "that honest, religious, courageous, divine."

Hunt represented the heart of the mission of the Jamestown colony. The Virginia Charter of 1606 made it clear that while enterprise and prosperity were important goals of the colony, Gospel evangelism was the first mission of the settlers. Through his personal example, winsome dialogue, and spiritual leadership, Rev. Hunt worked to make this purpose for colonization a reality at Jamestown. He would take the message of covenant faithfulness to God, communicated so powerfully at the First Landing, and implement the principles supporting this covenant in the daily life of Jamestown.

When the settlers actually arrived at Jamestown, Rev. Hunt again walked his men to the shore and "gathered his flock around him without delay." Here again, prayer was the first order of the day. Standing in their midst under the trees, Hunt declared for the first time in the Western world the solemn invocation: 'The Lord is in His Holy Temple; Let all the earth keep silence before Him" (Habakkuk 2:20).

Each morning and evening, Rev. Hunt lead his people in the following prayer:

Almighty God, ... we beseech Thee to bless us and this plantation which we and our nation have begun in Thy fear and for Thy glory ... and seeing, Lord, the highest end of our plantation here is to set up the standard and display the banner of Jesus Christ, even here where Satan's throne is, Lord, let our labour be blessed in labouring for the conversion of the heathen. ... Lord, sanctify our spirits and give us holy hearts, that so we may be Thy instruments in this most glorious work." [ bible.cc/isaiah/11-10.htm / http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/11.htm ]

The First Landing was a public declaration before the heathens of the land and the angels of Heaven that the only hope for Virginia was in the Cross. The settlers knew that claiming the land and embracing this hope meant more than occupation. It meant Gospel conversions. The first evidence of these conversions came when a young Indian named Navirans embraced the Gospel and became the first Christian convert of Jamestown. Like Pocahontas, and later Chanco, these three former pagans became beloved members of the community and instruments of God for peace.

Without the message of the First Landing, and the principled efforts of Rev. Hunt, this covenant might have been forgotten in the early and tumultuous days of Jamestown. But it was not.

Today, Hunt is remembered as one of America's true spiritual founding fathers and a heroic figure without whom our first settlement might have perished. He is memorialized at Jamestown Island in a beautiful memorial that carries the following inscription:

He preferred the service of God to every thought of ease at home. He endured every privation, yet none ever heard him repine. ... He planted the first Protestant church in America, and laid down his life in the foundation of Virginia.

The wooden cross of Cape Henry is now gone forever – yet another artifact lost to the ravages of time. But the covenant established on that day remains binding. As we remember the 400th anniversary of the First Landing, our people would be well served to acknowledge that once upon a time Americans thought of themselves as a nation committed to the Savior of Rev. Hunt and all of the true believers gathered on that windy beach centuries ago......."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421

<< Psalm 2 >>

King James Version

1Why do the heathen rage, [rage="to plot, CONSPIRE"] and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

[ http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/us-constitution.html / Jewish Influence on the Great Seal http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2550 ]

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. [ http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 ]

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

http://kingjbible.com/psalms/2.htm

Never, never give up hope. They can kill us all and we will still rise up triumphant.

Isaiah 49:

13Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.[see Genesis 15:13-14, II Samuel 7:10/Galatians 3:16-29]

14But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.

15Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

16Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

17Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee. ...... http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/49.htm

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See this site for very revealing pictures [I am posting only two of them]:

Jordan Maxwell Questions.

1) The Vatican courtyard.

When viewed from the air, we can see that the Vatican courtyard is, in fact, shaped like a keyhole. There is a reason ... Do you know why?

Below we can see that within the "keyhole" of the Vatican courtyard is yet another symbol: two crosses superimposed on each other. This is the symbol from which the British Union Jack flag is derived.

This is where we get the term "double-crossers."

While we're on the subject, there is another interesting symbol at the entrance to the Vatican.

swastika flag
Vatican Sun Flag

Vatican / Nazi Sun Flags

Schulz
"I think he's on to us!"

2) We know that dogs wear "dog tags" ...

... but why do we imply that our military servicemen are dogs?!?!

I bet Henry Kissinger knows the answer to that question!

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals, to be used as pawns in foreign policy."

-- Henry Kissinger

quoted in "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own P.O.W.s in Vietnam" | reference And while we're on the subject ...

Footnote

... and finally, why does the military have a "BOOT camp?!" boot camp definition

3) Why is the Star of David on the back of the U.S. One Dollar bill ?

Dollar Bill
For more fascinating research on the Star of David, see Hidden Roots of Religion Page 12.

4) What is this a symbol of and why is it so holy to British Royalty ?

England's "Lia Fail Stone"

www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/questions/index.html

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forgot to mention that Haym Solomon was a ROTHSCHILD agent, and Eustace Mullins has written that the Vatican has been owned by the banksters since 1830 when the Vatican couldn't make good on a loan. More than 20 Popes have been Jewish, including John Paul II.

The Truth Seeker - The Pope was Jewish says historian
Feb 12, 2006 ... Instead of asking: is the Pope Catholic? Maybe we should be asking: is the Pope Jewish? Because a Manchester historian now claims that Pope ... http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4158

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-25   11:40:49 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

Exposing the Zionist Hidden Hand That Rules Britain and the United States
Christopher Bollyn

Dec 20, 2007

Scroll down for further insights into Milliband's family history

For all practical purposes, the United States and Britain are Zionist-occupied nations. Because the American and British people are generally ignorant of what Zionism is, the meaning of this statement is not widely understood or appreciated.

David Milliband, Condeleeza Rice's UK counterpart

The lack of understanding by the public, however, doesn't change the fact that these once great nations have become Zionist-controlled states. The evidence is clearly seen in the self-destructive foreign policies these nations have pursued for the past 40 years or so.

The Anglo-American "leadership" positions in the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and their support of the costly Zionist fraud known as the "War on Terror" is further proof that Zionists control these nations 33; as if any were needed.

How did these powerful and independent nations become Zionist controlled? Unlike Palestine, where Eastern European Zionist immigrants used brutal terrorism to ethnically "cleanse" and conquer the land, in Britain and the United States the Zionists gained power gradually through "dumbing down" and effectively disenfranchising the native populations.

In Britain and the United States, the Zionists saved the use of terrorism for later, after they already controlled the media and the levers of power and government.....

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8669

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-25   12:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#3)

this may be my last post here Why's that?

Because the Jesuits are after him?

Obnoxicated  posted on  2010-07-25   12:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Itistoolate (#0)

this may be my last post here

What's the matter Itstoolate? Why would you want to leave the lot of us?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-25   13:03:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Itistoolate (#0)

this may be my last post here

I hope not.


We're alien hybrids - the apex of my learning so far

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-25   13:17:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

forgot to mention that Haym Solomon was a ROTHSCHILD agent, and Eustace Mullins has written that the Vatican has been owned by the banksters since 1830 when the Vatican couldn't make good on a loan. More than 20 Popes have been Jewish, including John Paul II.

lol


We're alien hybrids - the apex of my learning so far

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-25   13:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Obnoxicated (#11)

this may be my last post here Why's that?

Because the Jesuits are after him?

Jesuit File members.foothills.net/ricefile/

HOMELAND SSECURITY

"....In a speech, at Georgetown University, to a congregation of Jesuit students, Senator Joseph Lieberman stated: “I admire the fact that so many of you (Jesuits) are more eager than ever to channel your talents and energy into constructive public service. I hope that government will help make it easier for you to do just that.” ......"

members.foothills.net/ricefile/homeland__ssecurity.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-25   13:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: wudidiz (#14)

"Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history -- and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these house. Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice, November 25, 1953)

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-25   13:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Itistoolate (#9) (Edited)

EXCERPT:

Sinister Sites – St. John The Divine Cathedral

Feb 13th, 2009 By Vigilant Category: Sinister Sites

The destruction of New York city (including the Twin Towers) sculpted right on the building… Strange occult symbols on the floor… Weird rituals being performed in the sanctuary… Home of the Temple of Understanding which admittedly seeks to instate a new world religion… This cathedral is definitively “different”, as some people might say. But the “difference” lies in the fact that the cathedral is in fact a temple of Neo-Pagan-Bordeline-Satanic-the-Environment-is-more-important-than-human-life beliefs. I personally couldn’t care less about each individual’s beliefs, but to trick unsuspecting church goers into an occult house of worship is nothing less than Evil.

“The pagan intellectuals reclothed their original ideas in a garment of christian phraseology but bestowed the keys of the symbolism only upon those duly initiated and bound to secrecy”
- Manly P. Hall, The Secret Teachings of All Ages

Background and History of the Cathedral

This unfinished building has been claimed as being the world’s largest cathedral. It is realistic to maintain such high aspirations when your sources of funding include tycoons like JP Morgan and prominent figures like the Grand Master of the Masons of the state of New York. The completion of the cathedral was such a prized accomplishment for the Freemasons that it was featured on the front page of “Masonic World” of March 1925.

The article states:

“It is particularly fitting that the Masons, who were the principal builders of cathedrals and churches during the greatest cathedral-building period, should now have a prominent part in the movement to build America’s greatest cathedral (…) Little need be added to the story of Freemasonry during the cathedral-building period; its monuments are its best history, alike of its genius, its faith and its symbols.”

The article openly admits that masonic cathedrals represent the best legacy of the Brotherhood and the symbolism is prominently showcased. The masses are however too ignorant to recognize the meanings behind the art, so they just stare at them, thinking “it’s pretty nice”.

Illuminati Pyramid and All-Seeing Eye on the Cathedral

Freemasonry and the Occult

As you might know, Masonry has been, through the ages, the keeper of the “ancient mysteries”, which are occult and esoteric teachings only communicated to the initiates. I will not explain here the mystery religion as it takes several years of studies to get some understanding. I can however say that the occultists draw their teachings from ancient Egyptian, Babylonian, Kaballah and Gnostic cultures, who predate by many centuries the Christian era. Secret societies have been forced to hide the true nature of their philosophies in a veil of Christianity to avoid persecution by the Church. Freemasons and their fellow organisms, the Rosicrucian Order and the Knights Templar have all been accused of devil worship and idolatry in Europe.

While many low-level Freemasons may be practising Christians, those looking to reach higher degrees within the Brotherhood are required to study the tenants and the philosophies of the Mystery Religion. Freemasons do not necessarily seek for the world to embrace their brand of spirituality, as it is strickly reserved to the initiates. However, people in high places, who often happen to be Masons are seeking to steer the population towards a “dumbed-down” version of their paganism, as you will read later.

The Symbols

The impressive exterior of the cathedral provokes a humbling sensation at whom gazes at it. But what are you humbling yourself to? We’ll examine the details of the artwork.

1- The Apocalyptic Pillar

On the western facade of the building, stonemasons have sculpted numerous scenes that seem oddly out of place for a Cathedral. The most striking one is the chilling depiction of the destruction of New York city and its landmarks.

Twin towers collapsing

The scene above was done in 1997, four years before the destruction of the Twin Towers. Other recognizable skyscrapers are the Chrysler Building and the Citigroup center.

Apocalyptic New York

The scene above might be unsettling for New York residents. We see the Brooklyn bridge crumbling with cars and buses falling into agitated waters. At the right is the Statue of Liberty, which seems to be sinking in the water. Beneath this horrifying prophecy is the New York Stock Exchange, with people trading goods around it.

So, what is the purpose of this weird carving? Well, the first thing that needs to be mentioned is the actual St. John the Divine is credited for writing the Book of Revelation in the Bible, which describes in symbolic imagery the events of the apocalypse. Occultists believe that the Book of Revelation has been hermetically coded to reveal its true meaning to the initiates of esoteric teachings. This scene, carved on the west entrance of the cathedral, depicts New York as being ”Babylon the Great”, the city who gets completely destroyed by the wrath of God. The Book of Revelation mentions:

“Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.”

-Book of Revelation 18

The artists might be on to something because there is indeed numerous similarities between the actual New York city and the description of Babylon the Great in the Bible. The Book of Revelation mentions:

1. A “Great Prostitute” who sits on many waters – peoples, multitudes, nations and languages – holding a golden cup. She rules over the kings of the Earth. = The Statue of Liberty

2. Merchants of the Earth who grew rich of her “excessive luxuries”, weeping because nobody buys their goods anymore = New York Stock Exchange

“The merchants who sold these things and gained their wealth from her will stand far off, terrified at her torment. They will weep and mourn and cry out:

” ‘Woe! Woe, O great city,
dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet,
and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls!
In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!’

- Book of Revelation, 18

Knowing that, still today, over 70% of the world’s capital goes through the NYSE, we understand why the building was depicted on the apocalyptic pillar. It represents the “financial” aspect of the Book of Revelation, where it repeatedly refers to rich merchants and trading goods.

So, a landmark of NYC, the St. John the Divine Cathedral, predicts in vivid detail the destruction of its home city. Pretty unusual. Under the rendering of the NYSE, we a skeleton and strange creatures, who seem to represent death and destruction. Is this some sort of prophecy?......

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=241

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DEATH OF THE PHOENIX: FINAL ACT FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

"..... The original design submitted for the Great Seal of the United States depicted the Phoenix in a nest of flames. This pagan symbol was discreetly changed to the eagle to obscure its occult symbolism: the planned destruction of the United States of America. Also engraved on the Great Seal was the six-pointed Seal of Solomon, which symbolizes rebirth. That the Seal of Solomon is also the Star of David on the flag of Israel reveals where the “New Order of the Ages” will be reborn. Moreover, the Judeo-Masonic Seal reveals that the New World Order envisioned by the Judeo-Freemasons would be the Jews’ “New Jerusalem”:

“Washington would also stamp Templar and Masonic symbols on the dollar bill, which survive to this day. The eye enclosed in a triangle echoes the apocalyptic visions of an obscure medieval seer, Joachim de Fiore, while the pyramid, left unfinished, suggests a pinnacle of human wisdom that is still to be reached.

“The symbols reflected the millennial yearnings that fuelled the American Revolution — a belief in building a Heaven on Earth, as well as a better society. They are directly related to the similar symbols that cover the secret scroll of Kirkwall.

“Henry St Clair had failed in his attempt to build a new Jerusalem in the New World, but the dollar bill and the sacred scroll ensured that his Templar vision lived on.” (The Secret Scroll)

So it was the “millennial yearnings” of the Gnostic monk, Joachim of Fiore, that fuelled the American Revolution? And we thought the Revolutionary War was fought over representative government, religious freedom, and the rationalist ideals of the founding fathers! Now we are informed by President George Bush that the American Revolution is not over, and that it is actually directed by a mysterious angel which answers to Lucifer:

“After the Declaration of Independence was signed, Virginia statesman John Page wrote to Thomas Jefferson: ‘We know the Race is not to the swift nor the Battle to the Strong. Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?...’ This work continues. The story goes on. And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.” (Bush Inaugural)

The multitude of Judeo-Masonic symbols on the currency of the United States is like the handwriting on the wall which forecasts the downfall of another great superpower. However, these symbols also reveal that the sacrifice of the United States of America by her own leaders was preordained from the time of the American Revolution, and probably well before. The Judeo-Freemasons also understood that the transition into their New World Order would not be a smooth process, and that they would need to attribute the whole messy business (“Ordo ab Chao”) to God Almighty, lest Americans discover the true perpetrators.

George Washington, a 33° Freemason and Charter Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22, purportedly had a vision of the destruction of the United States. If this vision truly originated with Washington, and is not a recent invention by the Judeo-Freemasons, it may have been a prediction of what was planned in that era for the USA. “A Vision of George Washington: "The Birth, the progress and the destiny of the United States” even has foreign armies invading the United States:

“Again I heard a mysterious voice saying,

“‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’

“At this the dark, shadowy angel placed a trumpet to his mouth, and blew three distinct blasts; and taking water from the ocean, he sprinkled it upon Europe, Asia, and Africa.

“Then my eyes beheld a fearful scene. From each of these continents arose thick black clouds that were soon joined into one. And throughout this mass there gleamed a dark red light by which I saw hordes of armed men. These men, moving with the cloud marched by land and sailed by sea to America, which country was enveloped in the volume of the cloud. And I dimly saw these vast armies devastate the whole country and burn the villages, towns and cities, which I had seen spring up.

“As my ears listened to the thundering of the cannon, clashing of swords, and the shouts and cries of millions in mortal combat, I again heard the mysterious voice saying,

“‘Son of the Republic, look and learn.’”

A preview of some of the terrors that have been planned for the U.S. is featured in a shocking video game that was released in October of 2005 and is being marketed to teenagers. The purpose of the game is to give young Americans experience in strategic combat against other regions of their own country which have seceded from the Union and divided into seven nation-states, including Washington, D.C. and surrounding states which are occupied by a European Union peacekeeping force.

“Shattered Union begins with a premise that hits way too close to home for Americans in these troubled times. A disputed Presidential election and a spate of domestic terrorism incidents push the United States into increased sectarian squabbling. When an atomic bomb detonates in Washington D.C., eliminating the entire Presidential line of succession, the U.S. breaks up into six squabbling nation states. The secession starts with California and Texas declaring their independence, followed quickly by the northwest states of Pacifica, the Great Plains, the New Confederacy, and the New England Alliance. The European Union, desperate to restore order to avoid the worldwide repercussions of a second Civil War, invades the area around Washington D.C. as an occupying army, effectively forms a seventh power on the continent. Each one is attempting to re-unite the United States and cast the new America in its own image…

“Following a great increase in terrorism, internal strife and, ultimately, the nuclear destruction of Washington, D.C., the United States shatters into a half dozen nation-states that descend into war…” (See the trailers: “Shattered Union: United We Stood”)

To justify the destruction of the USA, the Judeo-Freemasons must now portray America as “Babylon the Great” collapsing under the wrath of God, per Revelation 18. Surely, “Ichabod,” which means “the glory has departed,” could apply the United States in its degenerate condition today, yet the propagandists never mention that the Jewish-owned and controlled entertainment media has led the United States down the broad road to moral destruction.

Moreover, the Judeo-Masonic cabal must inflame the people of the world against Americans so that when their beloved country falls, the world will rejoice, never suspecting the truth. Which is why the ubiquitous propaganda mills on the Internet continuously revile the USA as “Babylon” and even gloat over its imminent demise. [SEE http://bible.cc/micah/4-11.htm ] In 1921, Henry Ford exposed this shell game in his powerful expose, The International Jew:

“It is a most important consideration that most of the national animosities that exist today arose out of resentment against what Jewish money power did under the camouflage of national names.

“‘The British did this,’ ‘The Germans did this,’ when it was the International Jew who did it, the nations being but the marked spaces on his checker board. Today, around the world the blaming word is heard, ‘The United States did this. If it were not for the United States the world would be in a better shape. The Americans are a sordid, greedy, cruel people.’

“Why? Because the Jewish money power is centered here and is making money out of both our immunity and Europe’s distress, playing one against the other; and because so many so-called ‘American business men’ abroad today are not Americans at all - they are Jews.

“Citizens wake up with a start to find that even the white nations are hardly allowed to see each other nowadays except through Jewish eyes. Great Britain and France seldom see a special American spokesman who is not a Jew. That may be the reason why they reciprocate by sending Jews to us, thinking perhaps that we prefer them.” (The International Jew : Chapter 1)

This strategy has succeeded to the point that International Jewry now controls the governments of the world. By “International Jewry” is meant the high cabal of Jews who designate themselves the Learned Elders of Sion or, alternatively, the Priory of Zion or Prieuré de Sion. Under the direction of this high cabal of International Jewry is a global network of Masonic societies. The term “Judeo-Freemasonry” describes this network of secret societies more accurately than “Freemasonry” because it conveys the reality that these fraternities, the majority of which are comprised of Gentiles, are under the covert government of B’nai B’rith, which is under the direction of the Learned Elders of Sion of the 33º.

Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise, a major pioneer of Reform Judaism in America, stated in 1855: “Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end.” (See: Heeding Bible Prophecy: New Israel)

The Jewish Tribune stated in 1927, “Freemasonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic ritual and what is left?”

The agenda of International Jewry, called “Zionism,” is the reestablishment of the Kingdom of Israel to rule over the Gentile world. “Zionists” are agents of the high cabal who promote the agenda of the Elders of Sion, which also includes the destruction of Christianity in all of its forms. The terms “International Jewry” and “Zionist” do not apply to all Jews, but to those Jews who have rejected the God of Israel and, through deception and intrigue, are carrying out the directives of their god, Lucifer. [See: Mystery Babylon the Great: Catholic or Jewish?] "

http://www.watch.pair.com/death-phoenix.html

I think they have a tidal wave planned for us....Indonesia was practice.

We are not Babylon....we are living with her daughter:

http://bible.cc/zechariah/2-7.htm / http://kingjbible.com/zechariah/2.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-07-25   14:25:14 ET  (6 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)

When viewed from the air, we can see that the Vatican courtyard is, in fact, shaped like a keyhole. There is a reason ... Do you know why?

Below we can see that within the "keyhole" of the Vatican courtyard is yet another symbol: two crosses superimposed on each other. This is the symbol from which the British Union Jack flag is derived.

This is where we get the term "double-crossers."

I highly doubt it. If indeed it is a symbol of a keyhole, then it likely comes from Matthew 16:19, "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." It is well known how important that verse is to the Catholic Church.

As for the belief that the Vatican and English crown are in cahoots together, I just do not see how a thinking person with any knowledge of the history of England and the Catholic Church can come up with such nonsense. The Catholics began to be persecuted in England in 1534 when the church refused to annul Henry VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Instead of believing everything you read from some kook site you might want to do some independent investigation. You can start with the See of Rome Act of 1536. Then you can move on to the Rising of the North, Throckmorton plot, the Babington plot, the Gunpowder plot and the Gordon riots. Queen Elizabeth executed Catholics left and right as did James I, not to mention Oliver Cromwell. During the 18th century their right to own property or inherit land was greatly limited, they had to pay Catholic taxes, it was illegal to give their children a Catholic education, they could not vote, and priests were imprisoned when found. All bureaucrats, politicians, military men in the Army, Marines and Navy had to forsake the pope and swear a loyalty oath to the king. It was so bad for Catholics that they went completely underground until the end of the 18th century. Catholicism didn't start making a comeback in England until the late 19th century. Even today Catholics are looked down upon, although with the extreme liberalization of the Anglican Church and other English protestant churches, more people are turning to Catholicism.

As for the flag nonsense, The Union Jack and its crosses came into being by joining the flags of Scotland and England. Later on the flag of Ireland was added in. All one has to do is look at a 16th century Scottish flag with the St. Andrews Cross and a 16th century English flag with the St. George's cross as well as the 17th century Irish St. Patrick's flag to see the truth.

Last but not least, the term double cross. It was a racing term that came into use in the late 19th century. According to the Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, "Double cross came into use only in about 1870, apparently as an English racing term describing the common practice of winning a race after promising to arrange a 'cross,' to lose it. 'Cross,' for 'a prearranged swindle or fix,' dates back to the early 19th century and was used by Thackeray in 'Vanity Fair' to describe a fixed horse race. The adjective 'double' here is meant in its sense of 'duplicity,' so 'double cross' really means 'dishonesty about dishonesty'; in fact, the earlier expression 'to put on the double double' meant the same as 'double cross."

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-25   14:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#18)

Oh but No, 'V' for vendetta and Guy Fawkes day are icons to these people, yet they don't even probably know that Guy Fawkes was a fervent Catholic who planned to blow up parliament. They have no knowledge or understanding of the theology behind it or the importance of liberty, and freedom of conscience, in Catholic doctrine. They avoid Thomas Woods books on the history of western civilization, rooted out of Catholicism. They deny that the freemasons own writings, volumes and volumes of them, for centuries, admit that the CATHOLIC church alone is the freemasons (satanists) greatest enemy. This is acknowledged by the 33rd degree masons themselves. They are clueless about the fact that Martin Luther, was a Catholic who acknowledged, along with every protestant ''leader'' for centuries, that the Catholic church is where they got the Bible. the church translated, copied and distributed it. it was not written by joseph smith in utah or by the legions of luthers followers, and didn't come down from a ufo. I guess they believe that the bible originated After the reformation?

I guess the church of billy bob on the corner, the protestant who got his ''preechers license'' out of a cracker jack box, is the ideal of a good Christian leader. billy bob makes up doctrine day to day, whatever he feels sounds good. Hard to fathom that people can be so aware and discerning politically, but so clueless religiously.

That is why i never discuss religion here; it's pointless really.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-25   16:48:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#19) (Edited)

Oh but No, 'V' for vendetta and Guy Fawkes day are icons to these people, yet they don't even probably know that Guy Fawkes was a fervent Catholic who planned to blow up parliament.

And that the reason he wanted to blow up Parliament was because of the way the English government was treating Catholics. Yet to hear some people tell it, the Catholics, in league with the monarchy, do and have always run the country in some secret cabal. Utterly ridiculous.

As for the rest, it was not my intent or desire to defend Catholicism, any more than I would defend any Protestant group. I just wanted to point out the silliness of the verifiably false information he/she was putting out.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-25   17:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#15)

this may be my last post here Why's that? Because the Jesuits are after him?

Jesuit File members.foothills.net/ricefile/

Dude, I'm just pullin' yer lariot. After seeing how the catholic church has handled the pedophile priest issue, I have no doubt that they are evil thru and thru.

Obnoxicated  posted on  2010-07-25   17:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Here is part of the Jesuit Oath.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver, but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope… I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and the wombs of their women and crush their infants heads against the walls, http://www.

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Fascinating.

It that the ACTUAL Jesuit priest oath?

The priest oath only goes as far as the raping of little boys.

U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-07-25   18:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Once more, I would ask you to remain an active poster and participant here.

The good information and commentary that you bring us would be sorely missed.

Thank you for all that you've brought to 4.

Lod  posted on  2010-07-25   19:27:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Lod, Itistoolate (#23)

I second loddy's emotion.

I will even serenade you with a Smokey Robinson tune:

So, if you feel like lovin' us

If you've got the notion

We second that emotion.

Lucky for you, this was a silent serenade. : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-25   19:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: abraxas, Itistoolate, 4 (#24)

Lod  posted on  2010-07-25   20:13:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Itistoolate (#0)

this may be my last post here

Dude

Not many "get it"

you'd be missed.

reconsider.

Please.

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-25   20:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: All (#26)

Best of luck on the journey

OBAMA'S CHERNOBYL

Spew, Baby, Spew

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-07-25   22:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Lod (#25)

Such a great tune!! : )

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-25   22:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Itistoolate (#0)

Hey, you've been around a LONG TIME. please don't go!

WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)

Flintlock  posted on  2010-07-25   23:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Artisan (#1)

The Vatican has condemned any number of evil things, and lists every declaration, for centuries, publicly on their official website archives.

Those Vatican cats were really ahead of their time then weren't they? Most of us didn't get web access until after 1988. Imagine our surprise to discover the Catholic Church sitting there with centuries worth of html documents, entered by studious Catholic HTML Monks from the 16th century (those servers probably need upgraded by now though)!

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-26   8:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: SonOfLiberty (#30)

Pay closer attention to the wordage:

lists every declaration, for centuries, publicly on their official website archives

do you believe that everything archived on the internet only originated after the establishment of the internet? in other words the constitution, since the text is posted on the internet, originated after 1988. right? silly.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-26   11:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Artisan (#31)

Pay closer attention to the wordage:

I was. It was a joke.

The way it was worded, grammatically, could have been taken to imply that the Vatican was tapping texts into the internet several hundred years ago.

do you believe that everything archived on the internet only originated after the establishment of the internet? in other words the constitution, since the text is posted on the internet, originated after 1988. right? silly.

It was a joke. Do YOU think that anybody exists, right now today, who believes that the internet was around in 1431 A.D.? I mean, seriously? You couldn't tell from context alone, and the general assumption that nobody could be that ignorant, that it was a joke?

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-26   13:29:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Artisan, SonOfLiberty (#31)

VATICAN OFFICIAL TIED TO BP, GOLDMAN-SACHS, AND MEDIA CENSORSHIP IN THE OIL FIASCO INCREASING EVIDENCE OF FOUL PLAY47;

clareswinney.wordpress.co...ce-of-foul-play%E2%80%8F/

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-07-26   13:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Itistoolate (#33)

That had nothing to do with what Artisan and I were discussing.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-26   14:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: SonOfLiberty, Itistoolate (#34)

lol


We're alien hybrids

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-26   14:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: SonOfLiberty, Itistoolate (#34)

That had nothing to do with what Artisan and I were discussing.

Either does this


We're alien hybrids

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-26   14:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: SonOfLiberty (#34)

I didn't mean that it did, just something related to the original post, Pope, Jesuits, and the Vatican.

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-07-26   14:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Itistoolate (#37)

You're one of the best, iitl.


We're alien hybrids

wudidiz  posted on  2010-07-26   14:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: SonOfLiberty (#32)

It was a joke. Do YOU think

10-4 ;-)

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-26   15:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Itistoolate (#33)

I will read it, although it would probably take a substancial amount of time to discern and root out whether any/ all/ or some of the claims made in the article, are true and accurate. I am very precise in that way and actually probably don't have the time to do it properly right now.

On a broader note to address the issue at hand, i do know that there is corruption in the church; as a member I believe that Catholics need to discern and research the truth even if it is bad. I myself have protested certain church corruptions many times in public. My protests were so effctive that they were published in media, wide circulation newspapers (in the millions) , shown on tv and even in profiled law books. Just pointed that out because i am not one of these blind apologists for everything tha happens within the church! we have a moral obligation to do so, to oppose corruption in the church, actually, as the saints and Popes themselves have taught us throughout the centuries.

However, the fact that there is acknowledged corruption and sin on behalf of those in the church, does not negate the fact that it is the true church established by Jesus Christ on Earth. I know you disagree about the last part of that sentence, but i posted this explanation just so you understand where I am coming from.

satan has and will continue to try to destroy the church. Fr. Malachi Martin wrote extensively on this, you probably liked him. maybe.

"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-26   15:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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