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Published: Jul 25, 2010
Author: BILL HUGHES
Post Date: 2010-07-25 07:29:48 by Itistoolate
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Chapter One: Target America

© Truth Triumphant Ministries. All rights reserved.

TARGET: AMERICA

The United States must soon face the most deadly enemy it will ever have to face. This enemy is not only the usual military enemy, but it has the organization and the capability for massive espionage and clandestine operations within the United States. It uses a facade that is virtually perfect to hide its operations. In fact, right now, this enemy is working secretly to undermine the principles that made this country the greatest nation in the world. This enemy has infiltrated the highest levels and departments of the U. S. government, and poses an extreme danger to America. Let us look at a little history and understand the methods this enemy has used in the past and how it is secretly working today.

Europe was finally at rest. The Napoleonic Wars were now over, having lasted nearly 20 years. The brilliant and crafty Napoleon had spread Europe with the blood of her noblest sons. At long last, there was peace. In the aftermath, European sovereigns convened a general council in Vienna, Austria in 1814. This council has come to be known as the Congress of Vienna. The Congress continued its proceedings for one year, ending in 1815.

The Congress of Vienna was a black conspiracy against Popular Governments at which the ‘high contracting parties’ announced at its close that they had formed a ‘holy alliance.’ This was a cloak under which they masked to deceive the people. The particular business of the Congress of Verona, it developed, was the RATIFICATION of Article Six of the Congress of Vienna, which was in short, a promise to prevent or destroy Popular Governments wherever found, and to reestablish monarchy where it had been set aside. The ‘high contracting parties’ of this compact, which were Russia, Prussia, [Germany], Austria, and Pope Pius VII, king of the Papal States, entered into a secret treaty to do so. — Burke McCarty, The Suppressed Truth About the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Arya Varta Publishing, 1924, p. 7.

According to McCarty, the Congress of Vienna formed the Holy Alliance, whose primary goal was the destruction of all popular governments.

Popular governments are those where the government allows its subjects to enjoy certain inalienable rights. Can you think of any popular governments that were establishing themselves in the world and granting their citizens certain inalienable rights around the year 1815? Senator Robert L. Owen placed in the Congressional Record of April 25, 1916 the following statement, which shows clearly he thought the primary target of the “Holy Alliance” was the United States. The Holy Alliance having destroyed popular government in Spain, and in Italy, had well-laid plans also to destroy popular government in the American Colonies which had revolted from Spain and Portugal in Central and South America under the influence of the successful example of the United States.

It was because of this conspiracy against the American Republics by the European monarchies that the great English statesman, Canning, called the attention of our government to it. — Ibid. pp. 9, 10. (emphasis added). Senator Owen understood from the Congress of Vienna that the united monarchies of Europe would seek to destroy the great American republic and its blood-bought freedoms.

Senator Owen was not the only one who knew about this conspiracy against American freedom and the constitution. In 1894, R.W. Thompson, American Secretary of the Navy, wrote, The sovereigns of the ‘Holy Alliance’ had massed large armies, and soon entered into a pledge to devote them to the suppression of all uprisings of the people in favor of free government; and he [Pope Pius VII] desired to devote the Jesuits, supported by his pontifical power, to the accomplishment of that end. He knew how faithfully they would apply themselves to that work, and hence he counseled them, in his decree of restoration, to strictly observe the ‘useful advices and salutary counsels’ whereby Loyola had made absolution the cornerstone of the society. — R.W. Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt and Eaton, 1894, p. 251.

Thompson pinpointed exactly who would be the agents used by the monarchs of Europe to destroy the republic of America, namely, the Jesuits of Rome! Since 1815 there has been a continual assault on America by the Jesuits to try to destroy the constitutional rights of this great nation. The famous inventor of the Morse Code, Samuel B. Morse, also wrote of this sinister plot against the United States.

The author undertakes to show that a conspiracy against the liberties of this Republic is now in full action, under the direction of the wily Prince Metternich of Austria, who knowing the impossibility of obliterating this troublesome example of a great and free nation by force of arms, is attempting to accomplish his object through the agency of an army of Jesuits. The array of facts and arguments going to prove the existence of such a conspiracy, will astonish any man who opens the book with the same incredulity as we did. — Samuel B. Morse, Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States, Crocker and Brewster, 1835, Preface.

The array of books written that detail the sinister plots of the Congress of Vienna and the Jesuits against the American Republic are numerous. That this conspiracy has raged since 1815 is a fact of history. We will show that this conspiracy is in full force today and that it is the reason America is having so many problems at the present time and is so close to losing her freedoms.

Most people know very little about the Pope’s Jesuits. The reason for this is that they are a very secretive society. In order to understand what the Order of the Jesuits is, please consider the following quotation. Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The first triumphs of the Reformation past, Rome summoned new forces, hoping to accomplish its destruction. At this time the order of the Jesuits was created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of popery. Cut off from earthly ties and human interests, dead to the claims of natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule, no tie, but that of their order, and no duty but to extend its power. The gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake. To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to commit, no deception too base for them to practice, no disguise too difficult for them to assume. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the overthrow of Protestantism, and the re-establishment of the papal supremacy. When appearing as members of their order, they wore a garb of sanctity, visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor, professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior the most criminal and deadly purposes were often concealed. It was a fundamental principle of the order that the end justifies the means. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of state, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind and dazzle and captivate the imagination, and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery. — E. G. White, The Great Controversy, pp. 234, 235, Pacific Press Publishing Assn., 1911.

The Jesuits function like the Papacy’s secret world-wide police. They are very secretive and go to great lengths to keep their operations secret. They tell no one that they are Jesuits. To all outside appearances, they appear as normal people. One last author will be cited here.

They are Jesuits. This society of men, after exerting their tyranny for upwards of two hundred years, at length became so formidable to the world, threatening the entire subversion of all social order, that even the Pope, whose devoted subjects they are, and must be, by the vow of their society, was compelled to dissolve them. [Pope Clement suppressed the Jesuit Order in 1773.]

They had not been suppressed, however, for fifty years, before the waning influence of Popery and Despotism required their useful labors, to resist the light of Democratic liberty, and the Pope [Pius VII] simultaneously with the formation of the Holy Alliance, [1815] revived the order of the Jesuits in all their power…

And do Americans need to be told what Jesuits are?… they are a secret society, a sort of Masonic order, with super added features of revolting odiousness, and a thousand times more dangerous. They are not merely priests, or of one religious creed; they are merchants, and lawyers, and editors, and men of any profession, having no outward badge by which to be recognized; they are about in all your society. They can assume any character, that of angels of light, or ministers of darkness, to accomplish their one great end… They are all educated men, prepared and sworn to start at any moment, and in any direction, and for any service, commanded by the general of their order, bound to no family, community, or country, by the ordinary ties which bind men; and sold for life to the cause of the Roman Pontiff. — J. Wayne Laurens, The Crisis in America: or the Enemies of America Unmasked, G. D. Miller, 1855, pp. 265-267.

Ignatius Loyola founded the Jesuit Order in the 1540s. Its position in the Roman Catholic Church was solidified during the Council of Trent, which ran from 1546 to 1563. The Council of Trent was convened with one great goal in mind: how to stop the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation began in 1517 when Martin Luther, the fearless German friar, nailed 95 theses on the door of the Wittenburg chapel. These theses challenged, among other things, the heinous doctrine of indulgences taught by Rome that declared a man could save himself and loved ones by dropping enough coins into the Catholic Church’s coffers.

Luther’s great teachings that the Bible only is the standard for all doctrine and practice, and that a person is justified before God through faith in Jesus Christ alone, sent thrills through the hearts of thousands throughout Europe and shock waves through the halls of the Vatican. Thus, the Council of Trent was convened to counter the Reformation; hence it is known as the Counter Reformation, and the Jesuits would be the chief tools of Rome to undo and destroy every trace of Protestantism wherever it was found.

America’s two greatest documents, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, are filled with Protestant declarations that are absolutely intolerable to the Jesuits of Rome. Does it surprise you that the Vatican condemns the founding documents of the United States? The Vatican condemned the Declaration of Independence as wickedness and called the Constitution of the United States a Satanic Document. — Avro Manhattan, The Dollar and the Vatican, Ozark Book Publishers, 1988, p. 26.

Here is part of the Jesuit Oath.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver, but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope… I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and the wombs of their women and crush their infants heads against the walls, http://www.

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Vatican/Jesuits, Freemasons, antiChrist Jews, Bankers, Judeo-Christian (apostate) churches....they're all in it together....Once again, the history of America, founded with a cross and in the name of Jesus Christ and the spreading of the gospel, and the Holy War against her [summed up in Micah 4 and Psalm 2, not to mention Ezekiel 17:1-10 (John 15:1-2, Matthew 15:13)].

What About Those "Pilgrims"?

"....CONTROVERSIAL EXCERPTS FROM MY RESEARCH ON THE U.S.-BRITISH "SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP"

Aside from the two books previously mentioned, I am not aware of any expose of either the Pilgrim Society or the British-Speaking Union. On January 28, 1994, I was informed by a thirty-second degree Mason that the Grand Lodge of Texas is under orders of the Grand Lodge in Washington, D.C. which is under the Grand Lodge of England.

The Larouche position on "the English" was stated recently: "The most important constant in the history of the United States of America has been the implacable hostility of the British Empire and the London-centered British oligarchy. This hostility generated the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812 and the Civil War, in addition to many lesser clashes. But after Gettysburg and Vicksburg in 1863, the reality of US military and naval superiority forced London to come to terms with the inevitable persistence of the United States on the world scene as a great power for another century and more. By 1895-1898, galloping British decadence, expressed as industrial decline combined with a looming inability to maintain global naval domination, suggested to the circles of the soon-to-be King Edward VII the advisability of harnessing the power and resources of the United States to the British imperial chariot. Thus was born the London-Washington Special Relationship, under which the United States was established as London's auxiliary, proxy, and dupe through such stages as the 1898 Anglo-American rapprochement before Manila Bay, Edward VII's sponsorship of Theodore Roosevelt's aspirations to "Anglo-Saxon" respectability and, most decisively, Woodrow Wilson's declaration of war on Germany in April, 1917. Under the Special Relationship, London has parlayed its financial and epistemological dominance over the United States into profound and often decisive influence over US directions in foreign policy and finance."

In the past I have personally attended a number of Larouche meetings in Austin. I would not describe myself as a follower-particularly since at the last meeting the overt "Communist" philosophy of the lecturer became apparent; he stopped speaking in the middle of a prepared speech. However, the anti-British rhetoric of the Larouchites does, in my opinion, have a firm basis in historical fact.

George Washington, to his credit, accomplished much for this country and his "Farewell Message" is no more timely today. However, it has also been asserted that: "The confession of General Cornwallis to General Washington at Yorktown has been well hidden by historians. History books and text books have taught for years that when Cornwallis surrendered his army to General Washington that American independence came, and we lived happily ever after until the tribulations of the twentieth century."

The King James Masonic Bible lists George Washington as a Mason. He was initiated into Masonry in 1752.(5) He took his first degrees in the lodge of Fredericksburg, Virginia on November 4, 1752. He was then passed on March 3, 1753 and raised in August 4, 1753 to Master Mason. George Washington visited a British military Lodge under a flag of truce and received a degree in it (probably the Mark degreee).(6) On April 28, 1788, George Washington became Worshipful Master of Alexandria Lodge No. 22 and was re-elected on December 20, 1788. He was the only Brother to be president of the U.S. and Worshipful Master of his Lodge at the same time.(7) Old Juba, Washington's trusted slave, used to row a priest across the Potomac to visit him and "Marse George made the sign of the Cross befo' he eat." The tale of the skeleton in the family closet was the conversion of George to "Papistry." Bishop Carroll made the statement that Washington died as did Emperor Valentinia who was received into the Church before his death.(8)

When George Washington badly needed financial help to pay his soldiers, the international bankers loaned him funds contingent upon appointing Alexander Hamilton as the first Secretary of the Treasury. Hamilton was all English at heart. He was an expert in British banking methods and was trained in the inner sanctum of international banking.(9) A retired Harvard professor once told students in his Oklahoma high school class that Hamilton and Washington agreed to a central bank if the war was ended.(10)

I have a Congressional Research Report that says as a fact that the first U.S. Bank was mostly foreign owned. On Yom Kippur Eve, 1779, Washington's soldiers, unpaid for months, were at a point of mutiny before a battle: "At last a desperate Washington sent a messenger on horseback through the night to Philadelphia with instructions to obtain, from Haym Salomon, a loan of $400,000, an enormous sum in those days, to pay and provision his troops. The messenger found Salomon in the synagogue, and a hasty whispered conference took place. Salomon rose and quickly moved about the synagogue, collecting certain friends. A small group left together, and that night the money was raised. Did Haym Salomon himself contribute $240,000 of the money? So the legend, perpetuated in many accounts, insists."(11)

Jonathan Williams (1750-1815), a dedicated American patriot, wrote in his now rare book, Legions of Satan (1781), that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Lord Lothian, the British Ambassador to Washington, once called George Washington the founder of the modern British Empire.(12) This is the very same Lord Lothian honored by the 1939 Pilgrims banquet! ......"

http://watch.pair.com/pilgrim.html

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Ignatius Loyola founded the Jesuit Order in the 1540s. Its position in the Roman Catholic Church was solidified during the Council of Trent, which ran from 1546 to 1563. The Council of Trent was convened with one great goal in mind: how to stop the Protestant Reformation. The Reformation began in 1517 when Martin Luther, the fearless German friar, nailed 95 theses on the door of the Wittenburg chapel. These theses challenged, among other things, the heinous doctrine of indulgences taught by Rome that declared a man could save himself and loved ones by dropping enough coins into the Catholic Church’s coffers.

Luther’s great teachings that the Bible only is the standard for all doctrine and practice, and that a person is justified before God through faith in Jesus Christ alone, sent thrills through the hearts of thousands throughout Europe and shock waves through the halls of the Vatican. Thus, the Council of Trent was convened to counter the Reformation; hence it is known as the Counter Reformation, and the Jesuits would be the chief tools of Rome to undo and destroy every trace of Protestantism wherever it was found.

The very Christian foundation of America [Ezekiel 17:1-6, John 15:1-2, (Matthew 15:13), Micah 4:1-2, Psalm 2]:

The Enduring Legacy of the First Landing

Posted: April 27, 2007

By Doug Phillips © 2010

Four hundred years ago yesterday, the world changed for the better.

A cross was planted in the ground and a prayer was offered to heaven. The cross was planted literally, but it was also planted spiritually.

The event was the first landing of the Jamestown settlers. One hundred and four of them arrived at Cape Henry on April 26, 1607. We remember the event as the "First Landing," but it might be better known as "Covenant Day" for America.

The rude wooden cross they stuck in the Virginia ground was more than an ebenezer of thanksgiving to God's providence. In fact, it was an actual gauntlet thrown in the face of the enemies of Christianity. It was a legal and spiritual challenge to all comers that declared, "This land now belongs to Christ and His people."

The man who stood with the colonists and directed his men in prayers to the Lord was the Rev. Robert Hunt, a man of impeccable character and heartfelt faith who was described by Capt. John Smith as "that honest, religious, courageous, divine."

Hunt represented the heart of the mission of the Jamestown colony. The Virginia Charter of 1606 made it clear that while enterprise and prosperity were important goals of the colony, Gospel evangelism was the first mission of the settlers. Through his personal example, winsome dialogue, and spiritual leadership, Rev. Hunt worked to make this purpose for colonization a reality at Jamestown. He would take the message of covenant faithfulness to God, communicated so powerfully at the First Landing, and implement the principles supporting this covenant in the daily life of Jamestown.

When the settlers actually arrived at Jamestown, Rev. Hunt again walked his men to the shore and "gathered his flock around him without delay." Here again, prayer was the first order of the day. Standing in their midst under the trees, Hunt declared for the first time in the Western world the solemn invocation: 'The Lord is in His Holy Temple; Let all the earth keep silence before Him" (Habakkuk 2:20).

Each morning and evening, Rev. Hunt lead his people in the following prayer:

Almighty God, ... we beseech Thee to bless us and this plantation which we and our nation have begun in Thy fear and for Thy glory ... and seeing, Lord, the highest end of our plantation here is to set up the standard and display the banner of Jesus Christ, even here where Satan's throne is, Lord, let our labour be blessed in labouring for the conversion of the heathen. ... Lord, sanctify our spirits and give us holy hearts, that so we may be Thy instruments in this most glorious work." [ bible.cc/isaiah/11-10.htm / http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/11.htm ]

The First Landing was a public declaration before the heathens of the land and the angels of Heaven that the only hope for Virginia was in the Cross. The settlers knew that claiming the land and embracing this hope meant more than occupation. It meant Gospel conversions. The first evidence of these conversions came when a young Indian named Navirans embraced the Gospel and became the first Christian convert of Jamestown. Like Pocahontas, and later Chanco, these three former pagans became beloved members of the community and instruments of God for peace.

Without the message of the First Landing, and the principled efforts of Rev. Hunt, this covenant might have been forgotten in the early and tumultuous days of Jamestown. But it was not.

Today, Hunt is remembered as one of America's true spiritual founding fathers and a heroic figure without whom our first settlement might have perished. He is memorialized at Jamestown Island in a beautiful memorial that carries the following inscription:

He preferred the service of God to every thought of ease at home. He endured every privation, yet none ever heard him repine. ... He planted the first Protestant church in America, and laid down his life in the foundation of Virginia.

The wooden cross of Cape Henry is now gone forever – yet another artifact lost to the ravages of time. But the covenant established on that day remains binding. As we remember the 400th anniversary of the First Landing, our people would be well served to acknowledge that once upon a time Americans thought of themselves as a nation committed to the Savior of Rev. Hunt and all of the true believers gathered on that windy beach centuries ago......."

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421

<< Psalm 2 >>

King James Version

1Why do the heathen rage, [rage="to plot, CONSPIRE"] and the people imagine a vain thing?

2The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

[ http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/us-constitution.html / Jewish Influence on the Great Seal http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2550 ]

4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. [ http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55421 ]

7I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

http://kingjbible.com/psalms/2.htm

Never, never give up hope. They can kill us all and we will still rise up triumphant.

Isaiah 49:

13Sing, O heavens; and be joyful, O earth; and break forth into singing, O mountains: for the LORD hath comforted his people, and will have mercy upon his afflicted.[see Genesis 15:13-14, II Samuel 7:10/Galatians 3:16-29]

14But Zion said, The LORD hath forsaken me, and my Lord hath forgotten me.

15Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

16Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me.

17Thy children shall make haste; thy destroyers and they that made thee waste shall go forth of thee. ...... http://kingjbible.com/isaiah/49.htm

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See this site for very revealing pictures [I am posting only two of them]:

Jordan Maxwell Questions.

1) The Vatican courtyard.

When viewed from the air, we can see that the Vatican courtyard is, in fact, shaped like a keyhole. There is a reason ... Do you know why?

Below we can see that within the "keyhole" of the Vatican courtyard is yet another symbol: two crosses superimposed on each other. This is the symbol from which the British Union Jack flag is derived.

This is where we get the term "double-crossers."

While we're on the subject, there is another interesting symbol at the entrance to the Vatican.

swastika flag
Vatican Sun Flag

Vatican / Nazi Sun Flags

Schulz
"I think he's on to us!"

2) We know that dogs wear "dog tags" ...

... but why do we imply that our military servicemen are dogs?!?!

I bet Henry Kissinger knows the answer to that question!

"Military men are just dumb stupid animals, to be used as pawns in foreign policy."

-- Henry Kissinger

quoted in "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own P.O.W.s in Vietnam" | reference And while we're on the subject ...

Footnote

... and finally, why does the military have a "BOOT camp?!" boot camp definition

3) Why is the Star of David on the back of the U.S. One Dollar bill ?

Dollar Bill
For more fascinating research on the Star of David, see Hidden Roots of Religion Page 12.

4) What is this a symbol of and why is it so holy to British Royalty ?

England's "Lia Fail Stone"

www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/questions/index.html

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forgot to mention that Haym Solomon was a ROTHSCHILD agent, and Eustace Mullins has written that the Vatican has been owned by the banksters since 1830 when the Vatican couldn't make good on a loan. More than 20 Popes have been Jewish, including John Paul II.

The Truth Seeker - The Pope was Jewish says historian
Feb 12, 2006 ... Instead of asking: is the Pope Catholic? Maybe we should be asking: is the Pope Jewish? Because a Manchester historian now claims that Pope ... http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4158

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When viewed from the air, we can see that the Vatican courtyard is, in fact, shaped like a keyhole. There is a reason ... Do you know why?

Below we can see that within the "keyhole" of the Vatican courtyard is yet another symbol: two crosses superimposed on each other. This is the symbol from which the British Union Jack flag is derived.

This is where we get the term "double-crossers."

I highly doubt it. If indeed it is a symbol of a keyhole, then it likely comes from Matthew 16:19, "And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." It is well known how important that verse is to the Catholic Church.

As for the belief that the Vatican and English crown are in cahoots together, I just do not see how a thinking person with any knowledge of the history of England and the Catholic Church can come up with such nonsense. The Catholics began to be persecuted in England in 1534 when the church refused to annul Henry VIII's marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Instead of believing everything you read from some kook site you might want to do some independent investigation. You can start with the See of Rome Act of 1536. Then you can move on to the Rising of the North, Throckmorton plot, the Babington plot, the Gunpowder plot and the Gordon riots. Queen Elizabeth executed Catholics left and right as did James I, not to mention Oliver Cromwell. During the 18th century their right to own property or inherit land was greatly limited, they had to pay Catholic taxes, it was illegal to give their children a Catholic education, they could not vote, and priests were imprisoned when found. All bureaucrats, politicians, military men in the Army, Marines and Navy had to forsake the pope and swear a loyalty oath to the king. It was so bad for Catholics that they went completely underground until the end of the 18th century. Catholicism didn't start making a comeback in England until the late 19th century. Even today Catholics are looked down upon, although with the extreme liberalization of the Anglican Church and other English protestant churches, more people are turning to Catholicism.

As for the flag nonsense, The Union Jack and its crosses came into being by joining the flags of Scotland and England. Later on the flag of Ireland was added in. All one has to do is look at a 16th century Scottish flag with the St. Andrews Cross and a 16th century English flag with the St. George's cross as well as the 17th century Irish St. Patrick's flag to see the truth.

Last but not least, the term double cross. It was a racing term that came into use in the late 19th century. According to the Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, "Double cross came into use only in about 1870, apparently as an English racing term describing the common practice of winning a race after promising to arrange a 'cross,' to lose it. 'Cross,' for 'a prearranged swindle or fix,' dates back to the early 19th century and was used by Thackeray in 'Vanity Fair' to describe a fixed horse race. The adjective 'double' here is meant in its sense of 'duplicity,' so 'double cross' really means 'dishonesty about dishonesty'; in fact, the earlier expression 'to put on the double double' meant the same as 'double cross."

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-25   14:30:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#18)

Oh but No, 'V' for vendetta and Guy Fawkes day are icons to these people, yet they don't even probably know that Guy Fawkes was a fervent Catholic who planned to blow up parliament. They have no knowledge or understanding of the theology behind it or the importance of liberty, and freedom of conscience, in Catholic doctrine. They avoid Thomas Woods books on the history of western civilization, rooted out of Catholicism. They deny that the freemasons own writings, volumes and volumes of them, for centuries, admit that the CATHOLIC church alone is the freemasons (satanists) greatest enemy. This is acknowledged by the 33rd degree masons themselves. They are clueless about the fact that Martin Luther, was a Catholic who acknowledged, along with every protestant ''leader'' for centuries, that the Catholic church is where they got the Bible. the church translated, copied and distributed it. it was not written by joseph smith in utah or by the legions of luthers followers, and didn't come down from a ufo. I guess they believe that the bible originated After the reformation?

I guess the church of billy bob on the corner, the protestant who got his ''preechers license'' out of a cracker jack box, is the ideal of a good Christian leader. billy bob makes up doctrine day to day, whatever he feels sounds good. Hard to fathom that people can be so aware and discerning politically, but so clueless religiously.

That is why i never discuss religion here; it's pointless really.

Artisan  posted on  2010-07-25   16:48:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Artisan (#19) (Edited)

Oh but No, 'V' for vendetta and Guy Fawkes day are icons to these people, yet they don't even probably know that Guy Fawkes was a fervent Catholic who planned to blow up parliament.

And that the reason he wanted to blow up Parliament was because of the way the English government was treating Catholics. Yet to hear some people tell it, the Catholics, in league with the monarchy, do and have always run the country in some secret cabal. Utterly ridiculous.

As for the rest, it was not my intent or desire to defend Catholicism, any more than I would defend any Protestant group. I just wanted to point out the silliness of the verifiably false information he/she was putting out.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-07-25   17:06:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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