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Title: Answering Some Well-Asked Questions About Personal Defense
Source: Lew Rockwell
URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/ayoob30.1.html
Published: Jul 27, 2010
Author: Massad Ayoob
Post Date: 2010-07-27 08:23:19 by Eric Stratton
Keywords: None
Views: 192
Comments: 22

Answering Some Well-Asked Questions About Personal Defense
by Massad Ayoob

Jeff Yago, Backwoods Home’s energy writer, recently completed a couple of concealed carry handgun courses. The classes apparently left some questions hanging in the air, and Jeff passed along a request through Dave Duffy for those questions to be addressed in this space. Here goes.

Question 1: “What are the basic differences in handguns to help determine which is better for home defense, ease of operation (single versus double action), male or female, caliber, number of cartridges?”

The question covers a lot of ground, so the answer has to be a bit basic.

A double action revolver with swing-out cylinder is easier in terms of administrative handling (loading, unloading, checking, cleaning) than any semiautomatic pistol. This is a decisive advantage for new shooters, or those who don’t spend much time maintaining their handgun skills. Many of today’s auto pistols are extraordinarily reliable, but if you compare all revolvers with all “automatics,” the revolvers win out in terms of certainty of firing without malfunction. Revolvers are also less maintenance intensive: they don’t need constant lubrication because they don’t have the long bearing surfaces that are at work within an autoloader’s mechanism as it is operated.

The downside of the revolver is less firepower: in the calibers you’d want for self-defense, cartridge capacity is somewhere between five and eight. Even with a speedloader, a revolver is slower to load and reload than is the semiautomatic, with its fast-inserting cartridge magazine. Under stress, you want to shoot the revolver double action, which means a long, heavy trigger pull for every shot. Most auto pistols are “self-cocking,” so at least after the first shot, and with some designs even with that first round, you have a shorter, lighter trigger pull that is easier for most people to manage when trying to shoot accurately at speed.

The semiautomatic generally holds more cartridges and is faster to reload, and can be had in models with a manual safety catch feature. This device can slow down an unauthorized person who doesn’t know that particular gun, gets his hands on it, and tries to shoot it. Many cops, and some armed citizens, are alive today because the homicidal felon who got their gun away from them and tried to shoot them with it didn’t know how to release the thumb safety.

Male or female? It’s less about gender than about hand size and shooting experience. A home defense gun is a “pool weapon,” like the shotgun in a police patrol car that’s on the road for three shifts a day: multiple individuals may be resorting to the same weapon. This means that the gun’s size and power have to be tailored to the smallest, least physically capable shooter who is authorized to use it. A large man can easily shoot his wife’s short-stocked 20-gauge shotgun or her slim-gripped SIG P239 9mm, but she will be awkward, clumsy, and poorly prepared to defend herself with his long-stocked 12 gauge, or his fat-handled .50 caliber Desert Eagle, which also requires a long finger to properly reach the trigger.

How many cartridges? I personally like a high capacity semiautomatic for home defense, because when you grab a gun in the middle of the night there isn’t always time to grab spare ammo. However, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of home defense applications of a gun are over in less than five or six shots. The revolver has a good history in defending home and hearth.

I would recommend the .38 Special (revolver) or 9mm Luger (auto) as minimum caliber in a defensive handgun. The smaller the caliber and the heavier the gun, the lighter the recoil; the more powerful the cartridge and the lighter the gun, the harder it will “kick.” The rule of thumb is that you should choose the most powerful gun that can be controlled in accurate rapid fire by the least physically capable person who is authorized to use it. The .40 and .45 caliber semiautomatic pistols aren’t hard to control with proper techniques and a good level of familiarity. Larger caliber revolvers kick more and require more training and practice to control and hit with at high speed.

Question 2: “(Please discuss) basic types and calibers of ammunition, and which is better for home defense, target practice, varmints, etc.”

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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Many of today’s auto pistols are extraordinarily reliable, but if you compare all revolvers with all “automatics,” the revolvers win out in terms of certainty of firing without malfunction.

This was true...prior to the 1970's.

I can't think of a single time in the nearly ten years I've owned it, that my Glock 22 (.45 acp) has jammed. My single action Super Blackhawk, on the other hand, sometimes doesn't quite catch the cylinder on occasion and I have to manually cycle it to get it to fire. Infrequent, but there you go.

A double action revolver with swing-out cylinder is easier in terms of administrative handling (loading, unloading, checking, cleaning)

The only thing I'd grant in this, is cleaning. Wheel guns are wonderfully easy to clean, no question.

The downside of the revolver is less firepower: in the calibers you’d want for self-defense, cartridge capacity is somewhere between five and eight.

A self defense engagement is typically at < 15 feet, and rarely consists of more than 3 shots fired.

If the question is about a self defense weapon, factors like "6 shots instead of 19" become irrelevant, in my opinion. The only time mag capacity would matter, in my view, is in a combat situation. Even then you're not using a handgun if you can help it. As I tell my son, the purpose of a pistol is to allow you to retrieve the rifle you dropped.

Male or female? It’s less about gender than about hand size

This is plain silly. My 13 year old son, whose hands are no bigger than his normal sized mother's hands, reliably and frequently fires my Super Blackhawk .44 magnum.

or his fat-handled .50 caliber Desert Eagle,

Why in the name of all that is holy, would a person use a .50AE cartridge for home defense? Planning on taking all of your sleeping neighbors out as well when the bullet passes through 10 houses on its way to the ground?

How many cartridges? I personally like a high capacity semiautomatic for home defense, because when you grab a gun in the middle of the night there isn’t always time to grab spare ammo.

Maybe he should opt for a machine gun. You never know when you need to spray 100 rounds from a belt to dispatch some flunky at the bottom of your stairs.

However, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of home defense applications of a gun are over in less than five or six shots. The revolver has a good history in defending home and hearth.

Actually, most times a weapon is drawn, the criminal flees. The cases where he stays he's either shot, or surrenders. In the cases where he's shot, it is rare that more than one shot is fired, and extreme if 3 are fired.

I would recommend the .38 Special (revolver) or 9mm Luger (auto) as minimum caliber in a defensive handgun.

*facepalm*

Does this guy know anything about home defense or guns?

A .38 special has a fair chance of leaving the criminal not only alive, but on his feet and *really* pissed off. This caliber was one of the huge reasons that the army went to the .45ACP, after the complete failure of the .38 to knock down advancing soldiers in the Philippines.

The 9mm is great, if again, your goal is to shoot through ten houses. The round itself doesn't have much knock down power per se, but can penetrate the living shit out of just about anything. If one must use a 9mm, get frangible ammo at the least.

The rule of thumb is that you should choose the most powerful gun that can be controlled in accurate rapid fire by the least physically capable person who is authorized to use it.

Forget rapid, worry more about accurate. Unless you're fighting the zombie apocalypse, in which case, yeah, rapid is much more important.

Yikes, what an article.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-27   9:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#0) (Edited)

I"m not as famous as he is. But I have only 4 simple rules.

1) If I have to pull a firearm on someone, he will be shot. There will be none of this "pointing it at him and hoping he is is pacified" crap like he says n the article. Because by the time you shoot him, he will have already demonstrated his imminent threat to you or others. Otherwise you have no business even putting that weapon into your hands.

2) I will shoot him until the gun doesn't go "bang!" anymore. Just because someone is shot does not mean they are down for the count. He can still kill you.

3) Buy something that will do the job reliably (re: kill) and

4) practice.

That's all.

IMO too many worry about caliber, revolver vs auto, .45 vs 9mm (if you want to see the shit fly, go to a firearms board and tell them that .45 ACP is better than 9mm or vice versa, and anyone that thinks otherwise is deluded...) , and other useless shit.

For some reason, people avoid the obvious topic of killing and concentrate on other peripheral factors. Killing is what it is all about. If you can't kill, then you might as well save your money for other things and leave the self defense firearms alone. .


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   9:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)

Yikes, what an article.

Yeah.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   9:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: PSUSA (#2)

I'm not entirely certain about Massad Ayoob any longer. If I remember correctly, back in the early/mid 1990's (?) he was giving out fairly decent information. The small blurb posted here, that precedes the link to the full article, in and of itself left me wondering "wtf?!?". I hadn't even read the name of the author until I saw your post mentioning his fame.

I will shoot him until the gun doesn't go "bang!" anymore. Just because someone is shot does not mean they are down for the count. He can still kill you.

Heh. You may want to belay that impulse. He might well have a buddy outside the house standing watch.

The joke I tell my son is "the cops asked me why I shot the guy twelve times, and I told them that I only had one speed loader on me at the time and ran out of ammo". Half jest of course. :)

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-27   9:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: SonOfLiberty (#4)

Heh. You may want to belay that impulse. He might well have a buddy outside the house standing watch.

I can change mags pretty quick while putting as much stress on myself as I can. And I know the stress involved. It's hard to fight thru. People underestimate it.

I've read some of his stuff before. It looks like he is being too "intellectual" about this, and forgetting what's practical. Fame will do that to a writer... They try to impress others instead of teach others.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   9:37:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-27   9:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: PSUSA (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

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#9. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

This nonsense about producing a gun and waving it at people is all horseshit. As I tell people as well, if you produce a gun, get ready to fire it.

It's called "brandishing". It looks like each state has its own definition of that term. But it's a legal no-no.

You can also learn disarming techniques. Most criminals are stupid and make mistakes that you can capitalize on. If he gets too close, you can take the weapon or disable the weapon, and kill him from there.

I dont know if I could do that though. I hope I could but you never know.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   10:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SonOfLiberty (#1) (Edited)

Many of today’s auto pistols are extraordinarily reliable, but if you compare all revolvers with all “automatics,” the revolvers win out in terms of certainty of firing without malfunction.

This was true...prior to the 1970's.

I can see that you never owned a Lorcin... What an adventure that was. You will learn to clear stovepipes and fail to feed, with EVERY single magazine loading. And you will learn to guess where the rounds hit. Just draw a huge circle in your mind, and pick a spot. One thing was for certain, it wouldn't ever go where the sights said it should.

I still remember the little piece of paper that came with that piece of shit. It told me how reliable it was, made of the very finest materials, and was sure to give me a lifetime of trouble free use etc.

I bet they laughed their asses off when they wrote that.

I threw it in a river. No way would I sell it to some other dumbass. I'm not that mean.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   10:59:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PSUSA (#10) (Edited)

Well, any gun made of pot metal and tin, or that you can buy new for $75.00, wasn't included in my statement. Of the major brands, I think that the old adage of 'semi-auto unreliable' is outdated. Used to be true, now, not so much.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-27   11:04:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SonOfLiberty (#11)

Used to be true, now, not so much.

True.

I was younger and dumber back then. It was my first handgun, and an impulse buy. If someone had only warned me.

So, I warn others. You get what you pay for, usually.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   11:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

So, I warn others. You get what you pay for, usually.

Here's another warning.

Stay away from cheap AR mags, unless you want to be more proficient at immediate action drills. Double feeds, FTFs, and FTEs galore. A gunsmith that should have known better sold me these.

Get mil spec or you won't live to regret it. And if you have someone try and sell you these, LEAVE and don't look back!

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   11:30:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PSUSA (#13)

Totally agree. Not just AR. Many off spec magazines suck hind tit. I bought some after market stuff for a mini-14 and I probably would have been better off just throwing the money I spent into some random shrubbery. Utter crap.

"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-07-27   11:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: SonOfLiberty (#14) (Edited)

I don;t know how they can get away with selling this shit. These are supposed to be knowledgeable in their fields, and I know that they know better. People need to spread the word on assholes that do these things.

I'll start. The asshat that sold me these mags, out of a catalog, was (ex-military armorer!) gunsmith Bob Jones in Carrolton MS.

I also hired him to do some trigger work on a AR, which I was not impressed with his work either.

He also told me I had a headspace problem on a M14 clone. It wasnt a headspace problem, it was a free floating firing pin problem, which is why one is to never use civilian ammo in a rifle of this type. It dents the primers, when you don't want them dented... A runaway rifle like this would have been uncontrollable.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   11:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PSUSA (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-27   11:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

Yeah, I'm not sure either. The stupidest thing one can do is to get too close to their assailant in that way. Problem is that you'd better be stronger than the guy (or gal I suppose) or else after the ensuing struggle he'll shoot you for sure.

The closer they are, the easier it is to disarm them.

I'm sure you can find info online. Check the files in my sigline. I'm sure there is something there you can use.


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#18. To: PSUSA (#17)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-07-27   12:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)

I've never had a high-quality autoloader jam on me.

I once had a .22 Raven and it never emptied the clip. I'd always get a stovepipe.

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams

Turtle  posted on  2010-07-27   17:09:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PSUSA (#17)

I'm sure you can find info online. Check the files in my sigline.

Yeah thanks for making that available. There's good stuff in there.

Bill Crowe  posted on  2010-07-27   18:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Bill Crowe (#20)

You're welcome. And of you're new here (I dont recognize the name), then welcome aboard!

I have some more on guerrilla warfare to upload when the mood hits me to do it.


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PSUSA  posted on  2010-07-27   19:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: PSUSA (#21)

I understand that mood business. I've got some various books off some bit-torrent sites that I need to categorize but waiting for the mood.

Thanks for the welcome.

Never before have so many been afraid of so few.

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