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Published: Jul 28, 2010
Author: AP
Post Date: 2010-07-28 13:27:42 by Jethro Tull
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AMANDA MYERS, Associated Press Writers PHOENIX (AP) 53; A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown. Poster Comment: My Fellow American Nationalists. This is the very BEST news we could have received. This obstruction of the will of the people will demonstrate even further the disconnect between the Elite and Us. Be prepared. It is coming.
Judge Blocks Parts Of Arizona Immigration Law
The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents — including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.
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#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
This alone should convince any fence sitters that disobeying the "prove you have insurance!" crap is the absolute right thing to do. If they won't enforce clear laws at the Federal level, and the states are not allowed to enforce said laws (hey, aren't other states cops helping INS?), then they have no right to ask me to prove jack shit about anything. To hell with these scumbags.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
If he does, AZ will become a powder keg. I hope it does. As it stands now, Illegals aren't required to produce ID while American citizens will. Been trying to ascertain Boltons pedigree. Can't find it.
Another RAT turd dropped on the American people This is BS, I hope the Governor of AZ defies the order.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
I bet you can't answer this question, Jethro... what parts were "unblocked?"
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
LOVING your righteous anger, SoL. IMO, today's ruling - at the insistence of Obama - is as big a mistake as His continued wars in Iraq, Pakistan & Afghanistan. As of this moment, AZ and other border states are being invaded and our troops are elsewhere. I hope they get a clue....
I think that an important point but not for the same reason. We appear to be getting set up for another change out of "figure heads". Oh'bummer and the D's have played their cards and now it is time for the other horn of the dialectic to implement more of the "Republican side" of the one true agenda. So, it is necessary to create enough angst against the D's to create the push for a change in puppets.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You can bet I don't choose to communicate with contrarians. Besides that minor flaw, you're a terrific guy :)
Actually, I already endorsed the point you made in my first post. To whit: "The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Yep. This obstruction of the will of the people will demonstrate even further the disconnect between the Elite and Us. Republicans and Democrats alike will hide behind the courts. Republicans and Democrats will hide behind an unelected oligarchy. Perfect.
"Aba daba daba daba daba daba daba" said the chimp-y to the monk.
I don't see how the Arizona immigration law is controversial, but even if it is, that is still not a reason for a federal judge to block it. The only reason a federal judge can block any law is if it goes against the Constitution of the USA. Last time I checked the Constitution does not grant foreigners the right to ignore our laws and come here illegally. Susan Bolton is of course just another stooge for the elite, but she will soon learn the "peasants" are the ones who will decide this issue, not the elite.
God is always good!
Thanks for the great rants and excellent points here.
One wonders if she has the spine to do what duty to nation calls her to do, or will she cop out and wait for November in some kind of vain hope that the same two parties screwing us over now will somehow, change. My point though is that the psychological environment is being manipulated to create that result. It is a matter of intent not merely wishful thinking on the part of the Sheeple. The thing people have to get is the sheer level of constant psychological manipulation ongoing.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Every day I feel more and more like I'm living in a nightmare that I can't wake up from. This is unbelievable. I thought Bush was the worst of the worst, but if you look at where we were 19 months ago compared to now, it seems like a utopia of liberty. And that's eff'ing saying something, given that the whole DHS apparatus was already in place then. Christ this is unbelievable. I know it is futile, but I wish I could wake up and find myself in 1985 with the sun shining and a bright future ahead. But I can't. God only knows what tomorrow brings now. And nobody will stand up, not with me, not with anybody else. We're going to sit and allow this to happen aren't we?
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
I don't know. On our local radio show there have been a string of calls now calling for secession, for the same "she should enforce it anyway" thing I was stating, and such. Nobody I hear, as of yet, is calling for voting in Republicans. This of course may well be a small blip on a large radar screen.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
"Parts" of the law? The bitch gutted it! Bolton blocked the following sections of SB-1070 arguing that “the United States is likely to succeed on the merits in showing that…[they] are preempted by federal law” and the “United States is likely to suffer irreparable harm” in the absence of an injunction: Portion of Section 2 of S.B. 1070: Requires police to inquire about the immigration status of anyone they stop, detain, or arrest if they reasonably suspect the person is in the country illegally. Section 3 of S.B. 1070: Criminalizes the the failure to apply for or carry immigration documents. Portion of Section 5 of S.B. 1070: Criminalizes the solicitation, application for, or performance of work by an undocumented immigrant. Section 6 of S.B. 1070: Authorizes the warrantless arrest of a person where there is probable cause to believe the person has committed a public offense that makes the person “removable.”
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Hmmmmmm......blocked and just prior to taking effect. Now watch, the ruling on the issue won't be scheduled until AFTER November. Can't deal with controversy until after the election cycle you know. What a crock of crappola!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Indeed Politics at its filthiest, most corrupt, even criminal. The will of the people be damned, we the ruling elite will HAVE OUR WAY.
Within your definitions of opinion, what does "contrarian" actually mean?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It doesn't matter. State and local law enforcement are allowed to enforce the federal immigration laws.
You're right, but I'm going to stay pissed off anyway!
Since the incident of the LA governor being prohibited by the EPA to dump rocks forming a barrier reef to protect her shoreline, I'd been thinking about how a revolution might be sparked, and I think that's the key. You can forget about random rights activists starting to shoot. That won't do it. In 1776, revolution was started when an official body representing the colonies decided to start it. In the war between the states, it happened after the south declared it and military tensions broke at Ft Sumter. In LA, the governor could have said "enough" and boarded the boat doing the work, buying it if need be, declaring him/herself as captain, pick up the material and head full throttle to the drop site. And if any coast guard or other federal ships that get in the way, then the governor takes the helm, giving the opposing captain 60 seconds warning before ramming them. That's how revolutions start -- not by a few people holing up in some house in the middle of the woods shooting at fed agents coming to get them, but when a political figurehead does something serious. As for AZ, perhaps Brewer should disregard the fed law, but I think it would be more politically prudent to wait and see how the fed court rules on it. She'd have more support from angry Americans/AZians that way than by jumping the gun and second guessing the courts.
Good thoughts, I agree for the most part. Though I'm pretty sure the LA governor is a "he" last check. But, I may be thinking of somebody else.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
I remember the LA gov being PO'd with the EPA, but not much of the details, including that one. And am too lazy to look it up.
I believe the governor of LA. is Bobby Jindal.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Correct. Though have you checked his birth certificate? He's awfully dark skinned and must be guilty of something, yes?
What a racist thing to say, Mike. This isn't about melanin, not for me anyway, I'm just curious why so much effort has been spent keeping seemingly run-of-the-mill public records about the life and times of one Barrack H Obama concealed from the public.
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
Uncle Sap has a WORLD WAR in the pipeline; can't have the fodder running out on ameriKa NOW, can we...?
Stepping outside the merits of cracking down on illegal immigration and states rights for the moment, I had an interesting conversation about this law with a fellow libertarian. In his opinion this law's purpose was to skirt around the presumption of innocence rule. With this law you are presumed guilty until proven innocent. Interesting take on it. I find it hard to disagree. That's the problem with a lot of laws they institute any more. They get you to agree with some wolf by clothing it in sheep's skin.
Name calling is juvenile.
Asking someone if they have proof they are a US citizen, or are here legally, when it appears they are not, is not presuming they are guilty. It is merely enforcing the law, which is something that has not been done concerning illegal aliens for a long time in this country. If some libertarians had there way we would have no borders at all. That's why I am not a libertarian. Some of them are just plain nuts.
God is always good!
Heh, it would indeed be a racist thing to say if I were not doing a tongue in cheek lampooning of this sort of attitude some in here display. The person I answered is a safe venue for such sarcasm, as he is a radical right wing wing nut, but is not a racist and won't suffer the defensiveness of denial.
FF, this law is simple. If you're illegal in this nation, local cops have a right and obligation to investigate further, given the obscene economic burden Illegal’s have caused AZ & other border states. We either have immigrations laws or we don't. To those who oppose this simple law - one that every other 1st world nation enforces - they are now the enemy within.
Really? And just how can you tell they are a citizen or not just by appearance? And you are by the very question assuming they are guilty and asking them to prove otherwise.
Name calling is juvenile.
Agreed but you are missing my point. At a traffic stop say of a Hispanic, asking him to prove his citizenship is by its very nature a presumption of guilt. You are assuming guilt based on his ethnicity. And while we may all agree that crack down on illegals is what we want, you know how the ruling elites are. They will twist this into something we don't want. They are taking something we desire and turning it into a way around a Constitutional principle.
Name calling is juvenile.
No, they are not assuming it, they are thinking there is a reasonable chance. If they assumed it, they wouldn't ask the question, they would just arrest them. Not hard to see the difference there at all.
God is always good!
Not to clear on these concepts are you?
Name calling is juvenile.
Every time I am pulled over they ask for driver's license and proof of insurance. I don't think, golly gee, they must assume I don't have them because they are asking for them. Nope, I know that they are just checking to make sure I have them, they are not assuming anything.
God is always good!
A friend is a green card legal alien and he is required by US Federal immigration law to have it on his person at all times. One time he lost his wallet with his green card and he immediately called Homeland Security to report it lost and to set up an appt to get another one. He was more paranoid about the loss of his Green Card than he was about losing his drivers license and credit cards. Here's the policies of our beloved trade partner ( who Holder and Obama do not want to offend with "odious" id requirements thrust on illegal Mexican aliens in Arizona) - from wiki - Mexico has an id system in force...hmmm... Mexico Not mandatory, but needed in almost all official documents, the CURP is the standarized version of an identity document. it actually could be a printed green wallet-sized card or simply a 18-character identification key printed on a birth or death certificate. Unlike most other countries, Mexico has assigned a CURP to nearly all minors, since both the government and most private schools ask parents to supply their children's CURP to keep a data base of all the children. Also, minors must produce their CURP when applying for a passport or being registered at Public Health services by their parents. Most adults need the CURP code too, since it is required for almost all governmental paperwork like tax filings and passport applications. Most companies ask for a prospective employee's CURP, voting card, or passport rather than birth certificates[citation needed]. To have a CURP issued for a person, a birth certificate or similar proof must be presented to the issuing authorities to prove that the information supplied on the application is true. Foreigners applying for a CURP must produce a certificate of legal residence in Mexico. Foreign-born Mexican naturalized citizens must present their naturalization certificate. On 21 August 2008 the Mexican cabinet passed the National Security Act, which compels all Mexican citizens to have a biometric identity card, called Citizen Identity Card (Cédula de identidad ciudadana) before 2011[citation needed]. On February 13, 2009 the Mexican government designated the state of Tamaulipas to start procedures for issuing a pilot program of the national Mexican id card[citation needed]. Although the CURP is the de jure official identification document in Mexico, the Federal Electoral Institute's voting card is the de facto official identification and proof of legal age for citizens of ages 18 and older. On July 28, 2009 Mexican President Felipe Calderón, facing the Mexican House of Representatives, announced the launch of the Mexican national Identity card project, which will see the first card issued before the end of 2009.
The Arizona state's attorney said it would be impossible to use racially profiling in Arizona to ferret out illegals because Arizona has a significant legal Hispanic representation in its population. Illegals' race would not set them apart or send any red flags to LEO in a state like Arizona - ie. LEO couldn't use racial profiling in Arizona even if they wanted to.
4um topic cross-reference: Impeachment Of Federal Judges
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Just finished reading it. Unfortunately I have no hope or faith in the American political system. The political Left has the law schools and judge-ships stacked. This ruling in AZ has to be ignored.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIf he does, AZ will become a powder keg. I hope it does. As it stands now, Illegals aren't required to produce ID while American citizens will. In the end, this is a good ruling. People need to be smacked around a bit more before they take action.
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
#17. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)
The judge is, of course, a Clinton appointee.
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Judge Blocks Parts Of Arizona Immigration Law
#19. To: SonOfLiberty (#15)
This alone should convince any fence sitters that disobeying the "prove you have insurance!" crap is the absolute right thing to do. If they won't enforce clear laws at the Federal level, and the states are not allowed to enforce said laws (hey, aren't other states cops helping INS?), then they have no right to ask me to prove jack shit about anything. To hell with these scumbags.
#20. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)
This could simmer until the election.
#21. To: buckeroo (#18)
#22. To: Original_Intent (#20)
One wonders if she has the spine to do what duty to nation calls her to do, or will she cop out and wait for November in some kind of vain hope that the same two parties screwing us over now will somehow, change.
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
This is the very BEST news we could have received.
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
#25. To: SonOfLiberty (#22)
#26. To: SonOfLiberty (#22)
Actually, I already endorsed the point you made in my first post. To whit:
#27. To: Lod (#25)
#28. To: Original_Intent (#26)
#29. To: Jethro Tull, All (#0)
Judge Blocks Parts Of Arizona Immigration Law
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.
#31. To: abraxas (#30)
What a crock of crappola!!
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
You can bet I don't choose to communicate with contrarians.
#33. To: All (#0)
"Judge Blocks Parts Of Arizona Immigration Law"
#34. To: Big Meanie, *Constitution Party* (#33)
It doesn't matter. State and local law enforcement are allowed to enforce the federal immigration laws.
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#35. To: SonOfLiberty (#1)
This could simmer until the election. Or, the Arizona governor could take the steps necessary of a true leader, and tell the Federal government to kiss her ass, and go ahead and enforce the fully Constitutional law anyway.
#36. To: Pinguinite (#35)
#37. To: SonOfLiberty (#36)
I'm pretty sure the LA governor is a "he" last check. But, I may be thinking of somebody else.
#38. To: Pinguinite (#37)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#39. To: James Deffenbach (#38)
"I believe the governor of LA. is Bobby Jindal."
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#41. To: Ferret (#39)
have you checked his (Jindal's) birth certificate? He's awfully dark skinned and must be guilty of something, yes?
#42. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#43. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, Lod, abraxas, christine, buckeroo (#0)
#44. To: farmfriend (#43)
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#45. To: Dakmar (#41)
#46. To: farmfriend (#43)
#47. To: RickyJ (#44)
Asking someone if they have proof they are a US citizen, or are here legally, when it appears they are not, is not presuming they are guilty.
#48. To: Jethro Tull, Original_Intent, Lod, abraxas (#46)
If you're illegal in this nation, local cops have a right and obligation to investigate further,
#49. To: farmfriend (#47)
Really? And just how can you tell they are a citizen or not just by appearance? And you are by the very question assuming they are guilty and asking them to prove otherwise.
#50. To: RickyJ (#49)
No, they are not assuming it, they are thinking there is a reasonable chance. If they assumed it, they wouldn't ask the question, they would just arrest them. Not hard to see the difference there at all.
#51. To: farmfriend (#48)
At a traffic stop say of a Hispanic, asking him to prove his citizenship is by its very nature a presumption of guilt.
#52. To: Flintlock (#29)
Section 3 of S.B. 1070: Criminalizes the the failure to apply for or carry immigration documents.
#53. To: farmfriend (#48)
agreed but you are missing my point. At a traffic stop say of a Hispanic, asking him to prove his citizenship is by its very nature a presumption of guilt. You are assuming guilt based on his ethnicity
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#55. To: GreyLmist (#54)
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