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Title: WikiLeaks Reveals Al Qaeda Boss Was Seen at Village Meetings - Despite CIA Claims They Were Clueless
Source: Daily Mail Online
URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... den-seen-village-meetings.html
Published: Jul 28, 2010
Author: Mail Foreign Service
Post Date: 2010-07-28 15:17:40 by AGAviator
Keywords: None
Views: 5475
Comments: 280

Glimpses of Bin Laden: Now WikiLeaks reveals Al Qaeda boss was seen at village meetings - despite CIA claims that they were clueless

By Mail Foreign Service

Last updated at 10:16 AM on 27th July 2010

Bin Laden spotted in meeting with Taliban chief in 2006
Al Qaeda boss 'had hand' in plot to poison UK troops
Secret files claim British soldiers shot 16 children
Military experts: leaks could put our troops in peril
Taliban missile brought down Chinook helicopter

'Spotted': Among 91,000 leaked U.S. documents are claims that Osama Bin Laden was last seen in 2006

Secret files leaked about the war in Afghanistan have revealed tantalising glimpses of Osama Bin Laden despite public CIA claims that they are clueless as to the whereabouts of the Al Qaeda boss.

The claims are among 91,000 U.S. military records obtained by whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.

Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, said last month that there have been no firm leads on Bin Laden's whereabouts since the 'early 2000s'.

But a 'threat report' from the International Security Assistance Force regional command (north) on suicide bombers in August 2006 suggested Bin Laden had been attending regular meetings in villages on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

It said: 'Reportedly a high-level meeting was held where six suicide bombers were given orders for an operation in northern Afghanistan. These meetings take place once every month.'

According to the Guardian, which has received the documents, the report went on: 'The top four people in these meetings are Mullah Omar [the Taliban leader], Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Dadullah and Mullah [Baradar].'

If true, it could mean forces came close to having the opportunity to wipe out the senior leadership of the Afghan insurgency that has so far claimed the lives of 320 British soldiers.

The war logs also show that Bin Laden had a hand in a plot to poison coalition forces by adding a powder to food and drink consumed by troops as they passed through villages.

Toll: An Afghan girl in hospital in Helmand after being injured by coalition forces in an air strike in 2007

These documents also suggest coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in so-called 'blue on white' incidents which were never reported.

IS THIS SOLDIER BEHIND LEAKS?
This fresh-faced soldier could be responsible for leaking a massive file of secret military documents revealing chilling details of the Afghanistan war and civilian deaths.

The leak is said to be U.S. Army intelligence expert Bradley Manning, 22, who boasted he had downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents, according to computer hacker Adrian Lamo.

The 22-year-old, pictured above, is said to have contacted Lamo out of the blue and then claimed he had saved high-security files onto CDs, ready to hand to Wikileaks, while pretending to listen to Lady Gaga.

'Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public,' he apparently told Mr Lamo.

The hacker got in touch with the U.S. military and later met with them in Starbucks to hand over a printout of his conversations with Manning.

Manning has already been charged over a separate leak of a classified helicopter cockpit video earlier this month.

It showed U.S. soldiers laughing as they gunned down Afghan civilians and two journalists in a firefight in Baghdad in 2007.

He was picked up in Iraq, where he was working.

Manning is said to be locked up in a military prison after being shipped across the border to Kuwait.

He faces trial by court martial and, if found guilty, a heavy jail sentence.

Mr Lamo believes Manning did not work alone, saying he did not have ‘the technological expertise’ to carry out the gathering and leaking of the documents.

'I believe somebody would have had to have been of assistance to him,’ he said.

They include claims that 16 children were among those shot or bombed in error by British troops.

The leaked military logs also reveal how a secret 'black' unit of crack special forces hunt down Taliban leaders for 'kill or capture' without trial - and voice concerns that Pakistani intelligence and Iran are supporting the insurgents.

Downing Street said it 'would lament all unauthorised releases of classified material' and the White House condemned the ' irresponsible' leak of the files.

And military and intelligence experts warned yesterday that the leaks could imperil the lives of British forces in Afghanistan.

Colonel Stuart Tootal, who in 2006 commanded 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment in Helmand Province - where more than 320 UK soldiers have been killed - said the information 'could impact on the security of our soldiers'.

He insisted Nato forces now put a 'huge emphasis' on avoiding civilian casualties.

Tory MP Patrick Mercer, a former Army captain, said: 'Although much of this information is in the public domain, the details are particularly damaging to the credibility of the coalition.

'Our enemies will be quick to exploit the propaganda element of it.

'If there are details of operational matters - locations, equipment, troops movements, resources - then soldiers' lives could be placed at risk.'

Details of the secret files, detailing military operations between 2004 and 2009, were published yesterday by the Guardian, New York times and Germany's Der Spiegel while more than 75,000 records were made available on the WikiLeaks website.

The files list 144 incidents involving Afghan civilian casualties, in which 195 died and 174 were injured.

They detail coalition forces - fearful of suicide bombers - shooting unarmed drivers and civilian motorcyclists, and record an incident when French troops opened fire at a bus full of children because it came too close to a military convoy.

Other leaked documents record a U.S. patrol machine-gunning a bus, killing or wounding 15 passengers, and Polish troops mortaring a village, killing a wedding party including a pregnant woman.

They reveal details of undercover operations by a U.S. special forces unit named task Force 373, formed to hunt down and kill or capture taliban and Al Qaeda commanders.

According to Julian Assange, the founder of the website, the files contain details of 'thousands' of potential war crimes.

At a press conference in London, he defended his decision to publish the files and claimed the high level of civilian casualties reported was in fact lower than the true figure because military personnel 'downplayed' the number or reported them as insurgent deaths.

Mr Assange said: 'We have tried hard to make sure that this material does not put innocents at harm.

'All the material is over seven months old so it is of no current operational consequence, even though it may be of very significant investigative consequence.

'The revelation of abuse by the U.S. and coalition forces may cause Afghans to be upset, and rightly so.

‘If governments don't like populations being upset, they should treat them better, not conceal abuses.'

Professor Malcolm Chalmers, a defence expert at the Royal United Services Institute think tank, said that the leaks could undermine already faltering public support for the war.

Read more: Bin Laden Seen Village Meetings


Poster Comment:

There has never been any proof that Bin Laden has died or been killed. He has repeatedly been reported to be in a very rugged area surrounded by people fiercely loyal to him.

OBL is not and has never been in direct command of operations. He sees himself as someone providing motivation and logistical support to people actually carrying out day to day operations.

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#2. To: AGAviator (#0)

Osama died in 2001. The man is dead. Please do not bother replying.

Horse  posted on  2010-07-28   15:41:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Horse (#2) (Edited)

Claims need to be supported and sourced.

Wikileaks has tens of thousands of facts they have published vetted and researched, which were previously unknown.

Conspiracy theorists claiming "Obama died in 2001" have nothing.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   15:44:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AGAviator (#3)

Claims need to be supported and sourced.

Yes, so where is the supporting evidence that bin Laden really is still alive?

That was more than likely planted info, perhaps the biggest reason the "leaks" occured in the first place.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-28   15:56:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#5)

Claims need to be supported and sourced.

Yes, so where is the supporting evidence that bin Laden really is still alive?

That was more than likely planted info, perhaps the biggest reason the "leaks" occured in the first place.

Always look for the wheels within wheels. Yes, Bin Laden has likely been dead since somewhere around Dec. 2001 to Jan. 2002.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-07-28   16:27:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent, FormerLurker, AGAviator (#10) (Edited)

Always look for the wheels within wheels. Yes, Bin Laden has likely been dead since somewhere around Dec. 2001 to Jan. 2002.

So you and Lurker both think that a)the leaks were planned so that b) planted info suggesting that OBL was still alive would c) be reason enough( despite the fact there were other very damaging to the war effort revelations ) for gubment to justify to the grass eaters that the Afghan War was still a necessary thingy to pursue?

Hmmmm...interesting theory...especially since most of the damaging revelations appear to involve US and coalition forces plugging innocent Afghan civilians who the grass eaters by and large could care less about....

scrapper2  posted on  2010-07-28   16:46:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: scrapper2, FormerLurker, AGAviator (#12)

Hmmmm...interesting theory...especially since most of the damaging revelations appear to involve US and coalition forces plugging innocent Afghan civilians who the grass eaters by and large could care less about....

That's the thing, MOST people don't seem to care anymore, and/or feel powerless to do anything about it if they did.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-28   17:17:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#16)

That's the thing, MOST people don't seem to care anymore, and/or feel powerless to do anything about it if they did.

Why should anyone care about the basic issues of governance? You are too worried about cockamamie BS... of and about your posts to deliver a straightforward answer.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-07-28   17:21:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo (#17)

Why should anyone care about the basic issues of governance? You are too worried about cockamamie BS... of and about your posts to deliver a straightforward answer.

So explain to us what YOU are doing to show you care buck. Are you leading some sort of political rally to fire the people up, or just sitting at home bitching at people who discuss this sort of thing?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-28   17:33:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#19)

Why should anyone care about the basic issues of governance? You are too worried about cockamamie BS... of and about your posts to deliver a straightforward answer.

So explain to us what YOU are doing to show you care buck

Actually I think this is a correct observation.

If we think there are people who are stuck in side issues, we need to start tuning them out and proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   19:16:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: AGAviator (#28) (Edited)

If we think there are people who are stuck in side issues, we need to start tuning them out and proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results.

Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!!

Good luck!! Happy trails!! Namaste!! Adios!!

Proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results for you. Don't delay, act NOW. Run, run like the wind. God Speed!!

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-28   19:22:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#29)

Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!!

Why would that be, Half Truther?

Are you a$$suming you and a small cotiere of CT'ers have this site in a death grip, and will go on for the next 20 years chanting "911 was an inside job...911 was an inside job...911 was an inside job...911 was an inside job" with nothing to back it up other than the sound of your voices?

Uhm, in a word, no.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   20:27:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: AGAviator (#30)

If we think there are people who are stuck in side issues, we need to start tuning them out and proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results.

Just offering a few words of encouragement on your thoughts. You said you need to "proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results" for you. Well, I finally agree with you on something.

No assumptions, just words of encouragement. Aren't you going to make good on your words this time?

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-28   20:31:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#31)

No assumptions, just words of encouragement.

Presuming you and a handful of Half Truthers have a death grip on this site is in fact an a$$umption.

Aren't you going to make good on your words this time?

Why certainly, and what's more I'll do them in ways that are actually effective as I see them.

It's clear from everything you say and do, you don't have a clue what works and what doesn't in reality. So getting hot and bothered over some fantasy you have and some methods you dream of, has close to zero likelihood of actually being selected by anyone with any sense.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   20:47:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: AGAviator (#32)

in fact an a$$umption.

You put the ASS in assumption. This is typical of your posts, wherein you interject idiotic ASSumptions that have no base or merit.

More ASSumptions about my "clue" and "reality" I see. Is that all you have, AG? Epic failure AGain.

Gee, there is NOTHING you could possible do or say to get me "hot and bothered" in any way.

Like I said, I'm offering encouragement for your "thoughts" about finding a site where you can actually think of yourself as "productive" perhaps even useful. Dream big, AG. That site is out there, just waiting for you to walk through the door. Hey, maybe they will enjoy your baseless ASSumptions over there. Wouldn't that be lovely? Maybe, just maybe, somebody could get "hot and bothered" by something you do or say.......but I wouldn't bet on it.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-28   20:57:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#33) (Edited)

Gee, there is NOTHING you could possible do or say to get me "hot and bothered" in any way.

Yah right.

Do a word dump of all your alleged posts to me, in exchanges which have almost always, if not 100% always, been initiated by ***you**** not me, and see how many thousands of adjectives, nouns, and verbs you've emitted in my direction.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA loser!!!!!!

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   21:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AGAviator (#34)

Er, this IS a public forum, wherein people post to one another. That's the point. The only one whining about it not being "productive" is you. You've made as many posts to me as I have to you, but, unlike you, I don't read anything more into it than a public forum post.

Get a load of yourself!! A post on a public forum isn't anywhere near "hot and bothered"......put your ego in check as you are, once again, looking like an egotistical idiot. lol

More baseless ASSumptions. Isn't that "more productive" site just waiting for you and your big ol' ego to join in? Perhaps, they might enjoy your arrogance and sense of self importance. Like I said, they MIGHT get "hot and bothered" over something you say or do, but I wouldn't bet on it.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-28   21:32:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: abraxas (#38)

A post on a public forum isn't anywhere near "hot and bothered"......put your ego in check as you are, once again, looking like an egotistical idiot. lol

When you follow me around the site with thousands of words of wordspam it certainly is, toots.

You've made as many posts to me as I have to you.

You start it, I finish it.

After your taking the low road, you then became the one sniveling and whining about "vulgar" replies to your pointless gaybanter and stream of insults.

If you want to pick up where we left off, just say so.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   22:47:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: AGAviator (#41)

Your ego really is at comical proportions.

Where did we leave off? You are so insignificant to me that I can't recall. Oh, yeah, you were going to find a site that is "more productive" than this one. Right?

Nobody follows you around. Nobody gets "hot and bothered" by your posts, it's more like NOT BOTHERED at all. As in, you don't even warrant a rise to dislike, it's a big zero in the feeling anything department. But, don't let that interrupt your delusions of mattering. lol

XOXOXO

Toots......hehehehehe

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-28   23:18:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#45) (Edited)

You are so insignificant to me that I can't recall. Oh

Yup, Half Truther, that's why within the last 24 hours you've addressed 1 in 5 of your posts to me. And larger percentages including "attaboys" to other people posting to me, on previous days, weeks, and months.

Try practicing your lying on somebody dumb as you are.

Toots.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-28   23:48:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: AGAviator, Buckaroo (#47)

Seriously, your ego is comical. Oh, now it's lying and dumb. Sounds like somebody got his little feelings hurt. lol

Maybe Buckie can lick your wounds. It's funny that you can't even make a post without including Buckie. What a dynamic duo the two of you make!!

I see you are still tracking all of my posts. And that's still creepy. Have you thought about getting a life? Maybe on a "more productive" site?

Okay, you can be Toots if you insist. It is actually more fitting for you than me.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-29   0:15:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#49)

I see you are still tracking all of my posts

No, pinhead, the computer does that.

When you lie, it displays records that say what actually happened, vs. what your clouded brain claims happened.

Now this one time, you can tell me what post # "I don't care about AGAviator" you're on today, so I don't have to get the computer say you're a liar.

LOLOL!!!!

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-29   0:37:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: AGAviator (#52)

you can tell me what post # "I don't care about AGAviator" you're on today, so I don't have to get the computer say you're a liar. (sic)

Yes, this one time I can spell it out for you. Responding to an arrogant stranger on a forum doesn't imply that I care at all. This is yet another stupid ASSumption on your part.

Toying with your massive ego is FUNNY. It provides a plethora of opportunites for laugher. I care about laughing at you, but that is the extent of my caring. If you had an itoa of sense your computer would tell you that.

Carry on with lying to yourself that I "care" deeply, Toots. The computer will confirm that I'm consistently laughing at you. : )

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-29   0:48:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: abraxas (#55) (Edited)

The computer will confirm that I'm consistently laughing at you. : )

The computer confirms you're a Half Truther half wit, making up one excuse after another why something you've just said you do, is contradicted by what you actually do.

Like putting out thousands of words to someone you "don't care about," oh wait a minute I replied to your thousands of words so that's supposed to mean something, oh wait a minute I cite the extent of your lying by quickly looking at posting records, so that means I'm stalking you, oh wait a minute, your thousands of words are because you're laughing at me.

What a lying shapeshifting maroon.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-29   2:13:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: AGAviator (#58)

What a lying shapeshifting maroon.

Oh, I think I hurt your tender little feelings AGain. lol

Didn't you say you need to find a "more productive" site where posters will appreciate you?

Speaking of lying, aren't you the one cherry picking truther sites for a piece of data to make an argument, then making yawner shoot the messenger posts about the people contributing to those sites? Why yes, that IS you.

One need not dig much deeper than your source links to debunk you. And, yes, the database confirms, I'm laughing at you, mostly because your ego is too big to laugh with you and because you are sooooooooo emotional. Might I suggest a Midol? Poor Toots can't even persuade other posters that they like him, no matter how much spittle hits his monitor.

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-29   10:50:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: abraxas (#67) (Edited)

What a lying shapeshifting maroon.

Oh, I think I hurt your tender little feelings...

No, pants on fire Half Tw00fer, as usual you cherry pick and ignore any words in a quote that will make you look like the SOS you are.

Actual Quote

The computer confirms you're a Half Truther half wit, making up one excuse after another why something you've just said you do, is contradicted by what you actually do.

Like putting out thousands of words to someone you "don't care about," oh wait a minute I replied to your thousands of words so that's supposed to mean something, oh wait a minute I cite the extent of your lying by quickly looking at posting records, so that means I'm stalking you, oh wait a minute, your thousands of words are because you're laughing at me...

AGAviator posted on 2010-07-29 2:13:26 ET

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-29   11:27:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: AGAviator (#70)

as usual you cherry pick and ignore any words in a quote that will make you look like the SOS you are.

lol.....this is what you do CONSTANTLY.

It's funny how you point out in others what is fundamentally YOUR flaw.

What's an SOS? Must be a sack of shit, eh?

Did you ping Christine to your post and turn yourself in? No, that's not something a lying little hypocrite like you would EVER do. Whine, snivel, tattle and complain while you do all that you claim to protest. Yet, you think this goes unnoticed by the lot of us. lol

What do you intend to accomplish with reposting your BS post anyway? Is it supposed to prove something? If you actually fetch my posts to you, it will be blatently obvious to the lot of us, even you, that I enjoy making fun of you and your massively inflated ego, which should never be construed as feeling anything FOR you. I know, another blow to your ego. Sniff, sniff. lol

How is that search for a "more productive" site coming along? : )

abraxas  posted on  2010-07-29   20:47:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#84)

How is that search for a "more productive" site coming along? : )

19. To: buckeroo (#17)

Why should anyone care about the basic issues of governance? You are too worried about cockamamie BS... of and about your posts to deliver a straightforward answer.

So explain to us what YOU are doing to show you care buck. Are you leading some sort of political rally to fire the people up, or just sitting at home bitching at people who discuss this sort of thing?

FormerLurker posted on 2010-07-28

#21. To: FormerLurker (#19)

So explain to us what YOU are doing to show you care buck

Oh sure, its all my fault while you while the hours away on a chit-chat channel believing in government conspiracies... man, you are so ignorant, you should be regarded as a PURE puke when ANYONE viewing own posts.

You NEVER address the real issues.. an apathetic people built upon WW2... and you believe in conspiracies while the voters strip you of not just dignity but RIGHTS... meanwhile you believe some BS about government creating 9/11.

You are off-topic. You are full of BS.

buckeroo posted on 2010-07-28 17:43:16 ET

#28. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#19)

Why should anyone care about the basic issues of governance? You are too worried about cockamamie BS... of and about your posts to deliver a straightforward answer.

So explain to us what YOU are doing to show you care buck

Actually I think this is a correct observation.

If we think there are people who are stuck in side issues, we need to start tuning them out and proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results

AGAviator posted on 2010-07-28 19:16:53 ET

So where does "tuning them out and proceed to places" translate into "search for a 'more productive' site" scheisskopf?

For about the 5th time, does a idiot who's spent all day addressing the same old messages to someone she(it) doesn't care about have any grasp of English?

Clearly not.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-07-29   22:47:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: AGAviator, abraxas, RickyJ, IRTorqued, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, christine, ALL (#87)

Wow, you seem to be sort of a stalker, dude. What's up with that? Upset that I totally tore to shreds your attempts to paint us as fools?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-07-29   22:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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