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Title: WikiLeaks Reveals Al Qaeda Boss Was Seen at Village Meetings - Despite CIA Claims They Were Clueless
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art ... den-seen-village-meetings.html
Published: Jul 28, 2010
Author: Mail Foreign Service
Post Date: 2010-07-28 15:17:40 by AGAviator
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Glimpses of Bin Laden: Now WikiLeaks reveals Al Qaeda boss was seen at village meetings - despite CIA claims that they were clueless By Mail Foreign Service Last updated at 10:16 AM on 27th July 2010 Bin Laden spotted in meeting with Taliban chief in 2006 'Spotted': Among 91,000 leaked U.S. documents are claims that Osama Bin Laden was last seen in 2006 The claims are among 91,000 U.S. military records obtained by whistleblowing website WikiLeaks. Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, said last month that there have been no firm leads on Bin Laden's whereabouts since the 'early 2000s'. But a 'threat report' from the International Security Assistance Force regional command (north) on suicide bombers in August 2006 suggested Bin Laden had been attending regular meetings in villages on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. It said: 'Reportedly a high-level meeting was held where six suicide bombers were given orders for an operation in northern Afghanistan. These meetings take place once every month.' According to the Guardian, which has received the documents, the report went on: 'The top four people in these meetings are Mullah Omar [the Taliban leader], Osama Bin Laden, Mullah Dadullah and Mullah [Baradar].' If true, it could mean forces came close to having the opportunity to wipe out the senior leadership of the Afghan insurgency that has so far claimed the lives of 320 British soldiers. The war logs also show that Bin Laden had a hand in a plot to poison coalition forces by adding a powder to food and drink consumed by troops as they passed through villages. Toll: An Afghan girl in hospital in Helmand after being injured by coalition forces in an air strike in 2007 These documents also suggest coalition forces have killed hundreds of civilians in so-called 'blue on white' incidents which were never reported. The leak is said to be U.S. Army intelligence expert Bradley Manning, 22, who boasted he had downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents, according to computer hacker Adrian Lamo. The 22-year-old, pictured above, is said to have contacted Lamo out of the blue and then claimed he had saved high-security files onto CDs, ready to hand to Wikileaks, while pretending to listen to Lady Gaga. 'Hillary Clinton and several thousand diplomats around the world are going to have a heart attack when they wake up one morning and find an entire repository of classified foreign policy is available, in searchable format, to the public,' he apparently told Mr Lamo. The hacker got in touch with the U.S. military and later met with them in Starbucks to hand over a printout of his conversations with Manning. Manning has already been charged over a separate leak of a classified helicopter cockpit video earlier this month. It showed U.S. soldiers laughing as they gunned down Afghan civilians and two journalists in a firefight in Baghdad in 2007. He was picked up in Iraq, where he was working. Manning is said to be locked up in a military prison after being shipped across the border to Kuwait. He faces trial by court martial and, if found guilty, a heavy jail sentence. Mr Lamo believes Manning did not work alone, saying he did not have ‘the technological expertise’ to carry out the gathering and leaking of the documents. 'I believe somebody would have had to have been of assistance to him,’ he said. They include claims that 16 children were among those shot or bombed in error The leaked military logs also reveal how a secret 'black' unit of crack special forces hunt down Taliban leaders for 'kill or capture' without trial - and voice concerns that Pakistani intelligence and Iran are supporting the insurgents. Downing Street said it 'would lament all unauthorised releases of classified material' and the White House condemned the ' irresponsible' leak of the files. And military and intelligence experts warned yesterday that the leaks could imperil the lives of British forces in Afghanistan. Colonel Stuart Tootal, who in 2006 commanded 3rd Battalion Parachute Regiment in Helmand Province - where more than 320 UK soldiers have been killed - said the information 'could impact on the security of our soldiers'. He insisted Nato forces now put a 'huge emphasis' on avoiding civilian casualties. Tory MP Patrick Mercer, a former Army captain, said: 'Although much of this information is in the public domain, the details are particularly damaging to the credibility of the coalition. 'Our enemies will be quick to exploit the propaganda element of it. 'If there are details of operational matters - locations, equipment, troops movements, resources - then soldiers' lives could be placed at risk.' Details of the secret files, detailing military operations between 2004 and 2009, were published yesterday by the Guardian, New York times and Germany's Der Spiegel while more than 75,000 records were made available on the WikiLeaks website. The files list 144 incidents involving Afghan civilian casualties, in which 195 died and 174 were injured. They detail coalition forces - fearful of suicide bombers - shooting unarmed drivers and civilian motorcyclists, and record an incident when French troops opened fire at a bus full of children because it came too close to a military convoy. Other leaked documents record a U.S. patrol machine-gunning a bus, killing or wounding 15 passengers, and Polish troops mortaring a village, killing a wedding party including a pregnant woman. They reveal details of undercover operations by a U.S. special forces unit named task Force 373, formed to hunt down and kill or capture taliban and Al Qaeda commanders. According to Julian Assange, the founder of the website, the files contain details of 'thousands' of potential war crimes. At a press conference in London, he defended his decision to publish the files and claimed the high level of civilian casualties reported was in fact lower than the true figure because military personnel 'downplayed' the number or reported them as insurgent deaths. Mr Assange said: 'We have tried hard to make sure that this material does not put innocents at harm. 'All the material is over seven months old so it is of no current operational consequence, even though it may be of very significant investigative consequence. 'The revelation of abuse by the U.S. and coalition forces may cause Afghans to be upset, and rightly so. ‘If governments don't like populations being upset, they should treat them better, not conceal abuses.' Professor Malcolm Chalmers, a defence expert at the Royal United Services Institute think tank, said that the leaks could undermine already faltering public support for the war. Read more: Bin Laden Seen Village Meetings Poster Comment: There has never been any proof that Bin Laden has died or been killed. He has repeatedly been reported to be in a very rugged area surrounded by people fiercely loyal to him. OBL is not and has never been in direct command of operations. He sees himself as someone providing motivation and logistical support to people actually carrying out day to day operations.
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#92. To: IRTorqued (#88)
lol.......
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
so then where is the video you flat out liar of the liar movement?
for all we know hanjour is still an incompetent pilot who can at best handle straight and level. In a single engine Cessna 172 - maybe.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
So you in your lambrain believe you and about maybe 10 other CT's have a death grip on this site, and every thread therein? Well, you are consistently delusional about the extent of your influence here and in the world at large. Another example of how you, a Half Truther, conflate something you pick out of context to mean what you want it to, instead of what it says.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So why DID you refer to me in your sermon on how this site operates?
lol.......look Toots (hehehe), you said it, not me. I'm just encouraging your thoughts about moving along. It's really simple. I think even you can grasp it......maybe, if you try REAL hard and concentrate with all your might. I've clubbed you upside your head with a clue by four multiple times, so I realize what a massive challenge this is for you. Nobody is talking about my influence. Nobody is discussing any "death grip" either. My you are delusional. Do you hear voices and have imaginary friends too? Out of context? Conflate something? Er, hello!! Earth to AGABLOWviator. You cut and pasted several FL posts into your last diatribe to me. For what purpose, I do not know. It's right on the thread, not out of context, not conflated........just suspected plagiarism. lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Seems like I fascinate AGAviator, he cuts and pastes my posts as if they were epic. Thing is, he doesn't take the ones that ARE pretty informational, he just takes my posts to ole buck and posts them as if that's the entire aspect of what's been said. Of course he doesn't refer to the ones where I've totally ripped apart his story or diversions, he just takes the ones I've posted to his sidekick in a conversational back and forth.
You keep repeating the SOS with zero proof alleging any and all available evidence is wrong, without being able to supply anything sother than arm-waving denials of your own. Repetition does not make proof except perhaps to you and a few self-hypnotized Six Percenters. A 1/2 G descending turn is not even beyond the capability of a student pilot. A holder of a commercial pilot certificate can become completely type certified using flight simulators. Flight computer are made for safety and ease of use, not for difficulty. More basic aircraft without flight computers are more difficult to fly and maneuver than aircraft provided with flight computers. This is why ATP pilots wishing to go out for rides in smaller single engine craft must frequently get retrained and why the Chief Instructor said that Hanjour's need for training was "not that unsusual" which as usual you leave out of your cut and pick quotes. 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, you're encouraging your own thoughts, Toots. With about as much effect as you encourage thinking in anybody else - zero. Your hot flashes of me moving to another site because of the delusions of 10 people on this site are the delusions. No, but as someone who posts all day long about laughing to yourself to someone you say is unimportant to you and you don't care at all about, you need to make sure Obama's budget has funding for drop-in mental health centers and lots of free Zoloft down the street you push your shopping cart on.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Says the idiot whose listings of posts to me take up 7 full screens. Do you know how to use the site poster search feature, imbecile? Try it sometime. From: FormerLurker To: AGAviator ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good luck!! Happy trails!! Namaste!! Adios!! Proceed to places where discussion will have more productive results for you. Don't delay, act NOW. Run, run like the wind. God Speed!! LOL! I second that. Aggravator and buck need to go where their fount of wisdumb will be appreciated more by their fellow establishment shills and toadies.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. lol.....what hot flashes? Now, ten more people have delusions? Your projection is comical and compounding. I thought we agreed that you are "Toots". I'm not just laughing to myself, as others find my commentary comical as well. It's only you who fails to appreciate my comedy. Unlike you, I'm not promoting Obama's budget, agenda or 911 fairy tales. That's your job and I have no intention of moving in on THAT game. You will have to find somebody else to "make sure" the drop-in mental health centers and free Zoloft are available for you. Good luck with that. As for me, I'll continue with simple encouragement to help you find your way to more productive discourse. Now, you are dragging Turtle into reading your drivel I see. Don't you realize he is working hard on a campaign to wipe out short men and sleep with all the women? Even the other half of your dynamic duo, Buck, has better things to do than read your drivel. As for me, keep it coming as it provides bountiful comic relief and takes only moment to adddress.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The best we can do is encourage this line of thinking, James. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'm not campaigning for it. It'll just happen naturally.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
Screen Name Search: From: FormerLurker To: AGAviator Or I could try doing a search on you, cut and paste your comments, and paint you as a foul mouthed shill, but I'm not the sort of person to do that without good cause. A good start though would be the following search: Screen Name Search: From: AGAviator To: abraxas or this one.. Screen Name Search: From: AGAviator To: Original_Intent or even this one.. Screen Name Search: From: AGAviator To: FormerLurker
Turtle, I have, as of this morning, taken on the plight of the short men. Your dastardly and diabolical plan no longer has a chance as I am warning the lot of them to beware of turtles. You have met your match, standing tall at five foot one. I'm not too proud to get a chair to peer into your evil eye. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Did you say something? I think I heard a noise from near the ground.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
lol....I'm standing on my step ladder now, so I know you can hear me.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! 5'1"? Midget. Dwarf. Elf. Troll. Munchkin. Gremlin!
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
Why do you project your misdeeds onto others? You ignore any and all actual evidence, make things up as you go, such as your implied claim that a VORTAC navaid can read the pilot's mind and decide where he wants to go, and accuse US of being "k00ks". You cling to your beliefs, which relies on various impossible and/or improbable feats, such as your belief that Hanjour could have flown a 757 jumbo jet like a master pilot even though he was a totally inept "pilot" who had serious problems controlling a single engine Cessna 172. You ignore the fact Flight 77's autopilot was engaged practically the entire flight, thus requiring the knowledge of how to correctly utilize the flight management computer onboard the 757, one which Hanjour had never seen before in his life. Then you toss in this VORTAC distraction which has nothing to do with Flight 77 since the autopilot was engaged. You can't describe what a pilot would need to do to change the course on a Boeing 757 flight management computer with autopilot engaged, but try to sell the idea that ANYONE could do it, it's so simple, it has to be simple because YOU say so, yet YOU CAN'T describe how it's done. One moment you try to sell the idea that Hanjour was a "qualified pilot" just because he somehow managed to "buy" his license, yet without exception, EVERY flight instructor who delt with him described him as totally incompetent, a bad pilot, a person who basically couldn't fly at all. Yet you want us to believe that this person who couldn't even fly a proper circle around an airport and land a Cessna 172 was able to correctly utilize the flight management system onboard a 757, a cockpit he never sat in before in his life, disengage the autopilot near Washington, perform some precision descending turns, level off at treetop level while flying at 400 mph, then descend to 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph in order to strike a 71 foot tall target. All this without EVER flying a jet before in his life. Uh huh, sure thing, we're the ones who ignore evidence, and you're the fountain of truth. In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance. And that IS EXACTLY what you've been doing here.
You don't have to yell. lol Perhaps a hearing check for a man of your mature years would be in order.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Did I ever tell you I'm 13? I'm just precocious.
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
lol.........You precocious?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yet you want us to believe that this person who couldn't even fly a proper circle around an airport and land a Cessna 172 was able to correctly utilize the flight management system onboard a 757, a cockpit he never sat in before in his life, disengage the autopilot near Washington, perform some precision descending turns, level off at treetop level while flying at 400 mph, then descend to 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph in order to strike a 71 foot tall target. All this without EVER flying a jet before in his life. The above bears constant repetition and is the remedy to AGBloviator's constant circling back to the same discredited, frequently made up and implausible, SPIN over, and over, and over, and over, and over again. While he would like to label those of us who look at the data and see that it does not add up to the same figures as the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" as "kooks" i.e., trying to dismiss the data not by a factual rebuttal but by schoolyard disinformation ploys and name calling if one really looks honestly at what he is trying to assert one must question not the sanity of the doubters but his. To believe his scenario one has to believe the following: That Hani Hanjour/Hanjour who could not, by testimony of every one of his flight instructors, safely and competently able fly a single engine propeller driven Cessna 172 (top speed 220 Knots - in a dive) suddenly and miraculously became a candidate for the Master Pilot's Hall of Fame by commandeering a Boeing 757 Jumbo Jet, overcoming a pilot and co-pilot who were both ex-military, one a decorated Fighter Jockey, who were a foot taller and a hundred pounds or so heavier, and then flying it at speeds of 400 to 530 miles an hour and was able to perform maneuvers like he was a member of Baron Friedrich Von Richtoften's Flying Circus. When one really looks at the realities you'd have to be a kook to believe the "Official Conspiracy Theory™". Either that or a paid shill whose job it is to try and sell this implausible Fairy Tale of the incompetent pilot that could.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
lol.....what hot flashes? Now, ten more people have delusions Not even 10, Toots. I'm being generous. No matter what their shortcomings, doing those things would actually be more productive than your current miserable existence. You're "Putting out thousands of words to someone you 'don't care about,'" claiming I'm "stalking" you when I shoe computer records demonstrate you're a liar, and doublespeaking about every single sentence you claim one thing and do another. HAHAHAHAHA!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lol.........You precocious? Makes me think of Chrissie Hynde. I LIKE THE WAY YOU CROSS THE STREET 'CAUSE YOUR PRECIOUS MADE ME WANNA, MADE ME WANNA, YOU MADE ME MAKE IT EAST 55TH AND EUCLID AVENUE WAS REAL PRECIOUS MADE ME WANNA, MADE ME WANNA, YOU MADE ME MAKE IT WE WENT AROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND THE SHOREWAY I WAS FEELING KIND OF ETHEREAL 'CAUSE I'M PRECIOUS MADE ME WANNA, MADE ME WANNA, YOU MADE ME MAKE IT "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You continue to ignore the explicit quotes of the exact same person you base your k00ktales upon, where he says "There is no question" that Hanjour even though lacking adequate conventional piloting skills, nevertheless had sufficient controlling hijacked aircraft skills to take an aircraft over mid air and crash it into a target. All your blather about flight computers, navigation, conventional piloting is nothing more than obfuscation of a simple and direct statement made by someone whom you yourself is choosing as a source: Hanjour was able to take over and crash a hijacked plane into the Pentagon. Half Truther cherry picking at its worst. As far as replying to all the other crap, like claiming not giving you a step by step description of how to disconnect a VORTAC from a FMS means something - when it's actually a bull$hit question because a VORTAC linked to a CDI works independently of the FMS - is not going to be addressed because you have nothing credible to go by yourself, and all you can do is nit pick on other people's accounts which actually have some research and subject matter expertise behind them.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As is par for the course you misstate the facts. That says nothing about his ability to use the Flight Management System (which he had never seen before in his life), Navigate (for which there is zero evidence that he had ever learned that), and there is a significant difference between crashing a plane on a straight line course and putting it through set-up maneuvers that would tax the skills of a master pilot which the experienced Air Traffic Controllers watching his approach on Radar were convinced HAD to be a military flight. No, as usual you sidestep and wave away with your magic wand all those pesky little details like a 7,000 foot descent in 2.5 minutes while making a precision 270 degree spiral. Oh, I know it was because he was a devout Muslim Fanatic who was out drinking and whoring the night before. You get funnier and funnier every time you travel around the same Fruit Loop. LOL!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You're "Putting out thousands of words to someone you 'don't care about,'" claiming I'm "stalking" you when computer records demonstrate you're a liar, and doublespeaking about every single sentence you claim one thing and do another. And of course you scarf up every word of them, then deny having any ***hot flash*** episodes. If it's not even 10, why claim 10? I'm merely using your numbers. I see, you were once again lying. You can't even keep it straight from one post to the next, yet you want to deem yourself credible. lol Post any reference you can find to my use of "stalking" in relation to you and your posts. Of course, you will not be able to comply because you are, once again, lying. Are you sure it's "thousands of words"? Have you counted all of them? Don't you have anything better to do than a word count on me? No matter, often it takes a few paragraphs to flesh out all the comic gems in response to your idiocy. And, of course, while you are clinging to this thread with all of your might, you are oblivious to the multiple other threads on this site, to wit Turtle's crusade against short men and his diabolical plot to sleep with all the women. It's not "hot flashes" but rather what is going on beyond this thread on this forum. Once again, you open your pie hole and insert foot. Even your jokes are epic failures......but you are no quitter. I await your feeble response. You are like a dog returning to his vomit. I think even Buckie has you on ignore now and Turtle is laughing at you.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
An 8 G turn taxes the skills of a master pilot. A 1/2 G turn does not even tax the skills of a student pilot. Especially when you hit the target 330 degrees from where you intended to hit it. The experienced ATC's said the plane was flown ***like*** a military flight. Then went on to explicitly acknowledge it was a 757 but said flying a 757 in that way was "unsafe." Yes, suicide hijackers are known to fly airplanes they hijack ***unsafely.*** You keep repeating the same lies and half truth distortions over and over. It doesn't make them any more true. It only makes you more confused. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You're the one claiming an appreciative audience for your blather to me. So let's have the names, Toots. And don't quit your day job. That's what computers are for. Given your verbal diarrhea it has to be in that range. I'll leave it to you to do another useless exercise. Then that must make you the vomit. BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes, my appreciative audience posts appreciation, while yours ignores you. lol.....doesn't that crush your ego? Oh, so now you're backing off from thousands of words and inserting this is your "estimate" which is akin to your ASSumptions and basically worthless. I'm sure I heard you whining for facts amid all your estimations and ASSumptions. If you insist on claiming that, in fact, I am the one that YOU can't stay away from, then I guess that makes me vomit. I can live with that. What one deems irresistable comes in many forms, at least you admit that YOU can't help yourself, no matter how many times I make fun of you and laugh at your expense. : ) LOl.....are you still telling yourself that I "care" deeply? You are consistent with your delusions of mattering. I'll throw you that little bone, Toots.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Checking in as appreciative audience.
Hi Wud!! I appreciate you too. : ) Did you get my PM on that cool little documentary?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Yes, I did, thank you :-)
No, I said the computer keeps records and I'm not going to count every piece of your vomit. And invited you to do so yourself if you have any questions. As in "I'll leave it to you." Your inability to comprehend basic English makes me think you and Hanjour have something in common. Besides your burqua.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A 1/2 G turn does not even tax the skills of a student pilot. Again you selectively misrepresent the data. Did anyone mention an 8G turn? No, a diversionary Strawman Argument. A 1/2 G 270 degree turn while descending 7,000 feet in 2.5 minutes is the full observation - not your foreshortened version to create the false impression that such a turn was a mere bagatelle. Sure, Herbie, sure. And every day pilots who were described as incompetent behind the stick of a single engine, propeller driven, Cessna 172 by their flight instructors do aerobatics with Jumbo Jets (even without the benefit of training or EVER flying ANY jet of ANY kind). You remind me of the "Queen of Hearts" in "Alice in Wonderland" who could believe 8 impossible things before breakfast. Oh, by the way, love your hat, but you should learn to lighten up and smile a bit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Besides your burqua. lol.....coming from you and your inability to comprehend basic terms, I'll take that attempted insult with a grain of salt and a yawn. As in, you will leave it to ASSumptions and guesstimates. That's about the bulk of your commentary, so it's no surprise. Are you attempting an insult with the burqua comment? Another epic failure. Is that the best you can do? I ALMOST feel sorry for your inability to craft an effective come back again and again. But, really, I think it's self interest on my part. You're so lame, it's robbing me of a bit of enjoyment, bordering on laughing at a retarded person and there's no fun in that.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What? Say it isn't so.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What? Say it isn't so. LOL! I know, I was just absolutely completely shockingly flabbergasted.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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#93. To: AGAviator (#58)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#94. To: IRTorqued (#91)
eceive one, and HE WAS an incompetent pilot. De
#95. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#90)
Proceed to places..........as in MOVE ON, MOVE ALONG, PROGRESS, FORGE AHEAD, GO.
What's up with throwing in all the FL posts in the mix?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#96. To: AGAviator, abraxas (#95)
What's up with throwing in all the FL posts in the mix?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#97. To: AGAviator (#95)
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So you in your lambrain believe
#98. To: abraxas, AGAviator, ALL (#97)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#99. To: Original_Intent (#61)
(Edited)
Your distinction is one without a difference. It is gobbledygook. It is not proven even that Hanjour was behind the stick and that is at best an unproven hypothesis. And the maneuvers that plane went through are well beyond any skill evidenced by Hanjour at any time on a type of aircraft which he was incompetent to fly, had never before flown, never trained on and in fact at no time had he ever flown ANY KIND of jet aircraft
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#100. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle (#97)
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I'm just encouraging your thoughts about moving along
Nobody is talking about my influence. Nobody is discussing any "death grip" either. My you are delusional.
Do you hear voices and have imaginary friends too?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#101. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#98)
Seems like I fascinate AGAviator, he cuts and pastes my posts as if they were epic.
Screen Name Search:
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#102. To: abraxas (#29)
Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out!!
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#103. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle (#100)
Your hot flashes of me moving to another site because of the delusions of 10 people on this site are the delusions.
#104. To: James Deffenbach (#102)
#105. To: abraxas (#103)
Don't you realize he is working hard on a campaign to wipe out short men and sleep with all the women?
#106. To: AGAviator, abraxas, Original_Intent (#101)
Try it sometime.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#107. To: Turtle (#105)
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I'm not campaigning for it. It'll just happen naturally.
#108. To: abraxas (#107)
#109. To: Turtle (#108)
#110. To: abraxas (#109)
lol....I'm standing on my step ladder now, so I know you can hear me.
#111. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent (#99)
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You keep repeating the SOS with zero proof alleging any and all available evidence is wrong, without being able to supply anything sother than arm-waving denials of your own.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#112. To: Turtle (#110)
I STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
#113. To: abraxas (#112)
Perhaps a hearing check for a man of your mature years would be in order.
#114. To: Turtle (#113)
I'm just precocious.
#115. To: FormerLurker, AGBloviator, AGAviator, all (#111)
One moment you try to sell the idea that Hanjour was a "qualified pilot" just because he somehow managed to "buy" his license, yet without exception, EVERY flight instructor who delt with him described him as totally incompetent, a bad pilot, a person who basically couldn't fly at all.
#116. To: abraxas, buckeroo, turtle (#103)
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Your hot flashes of me moving to another site because of the delusions of 10 people on this site are the delusions.
Unlike you, I'm not promoting Obama's budget, agenda or 911 fairy tales.
Don't you realize he is working hard on a campaign to wipe out short men and sleep with all the women?
And of course you scarf up every word of them, then deny having any ***hot flash*** episodes.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#117. To: abraxas, Turdle, Turtle, all (#114)
I'm just precocious.
MOVING THROUGH THE CLEVELAND HEAT HOW PRECIOUS
TAKING RIDES AND ALL THE KICKS WAS SO PRECIOUS
BUT YOU KNOW I WAS SHITTIN' BRICKS 'CAUSE I'M PRECIOUS
OH, YOU'RE SO MEAN
HOTEL STERLING COMING INTO VIEW HOW PRECIOUS
IT'S A PITY THAT YOU BRUISED MY HIP 'CAUSE I'M PRECIOUS
YOU SHOULDN'T LET YOUR MANNERS SLIP YOU'RE TOO PRECIOUS
OH, YOU'RE SO MEAN
WE WAS A DUET DUET DUET DUET DO IT ON THE PAVEMENT
OH MAYBE MAYBE I'M GONNA HAVE A BABY
WE WAS A DUET OH WE DO IT ALL NIGHT
I HAD MY EYE ON YOUR IMPERIAL YOU'RE SO PRECIOUS
NOW HOWARD THE DUCK AND MR STRESS BOTH STAYED
"TRAPPED IN A WORLD THAT THEY NEVER MADE"
BUT NOT ME BABY I'M TOO PRECIOUS I HAD TO - FUCK OFF
OH, YOU'RE SO MEAN
#118. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#111)
You cling to your beliefs, which relies on various impossible and/or improbable feats, such as your belief that Hanjour could have flown a 757 jumbo jet like a master pilot even though he was a totally inept "pilot" who had serious problems controlling a single engine Cessna 172
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#119. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, FormerLurker, all (#118)
You continue to ignore the explicit quotes of the exact same person you base your k00ktales upon, where he says "There is no question" that Hanjour even though lacking adequate conventional piloting skills, nevertheless had sufficient controlling hijacked aircraft skills to take an aircraft over mid air and crash it into a target.
#120. To: AGAviator, Turtle, Buckaroo (#116)
Not even 10, Toots. I'm being generous.
#121. To: Original_Intent (#119)
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Putting it through set-up maneuvers that would tax the skills of a master pilot which the experienced Air Traffic Controllers watching his approach on Radar were convinced HAD to be a military flight.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#122. To: abraxas (#120)
If it's not even 10, why claim 10? I'm merely using your numbers.
Are you sure it's "thousands of words"? Have you counted all of them? Don't you have anything better to do than a word count on me?
You are like a dog returning to his vomit.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#123. To: AGAviator (#122)
#124. To: abraxas, AGAviator, all (#123)
#125. To: wudidiz (#124)
#126. To: abraxas (#125)
#127. To: abraxas (#123)
(Edited)
Oh, so now you're backing off from thousands of words and inserting this is your "estimate"
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#128. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend, christine, all (#121)
(Edited)
An 8 G turn taxes the skills of a master pilot.
The experienced ATC's said the plane was flown ***like*** a military flight. Then went on to explicitly acknowledge it was a 757 but said flying a 757 in that way was "unsafe."
Yes, suicide hijackers are known to fly airplanes they hijack ***unsafely.***
#129. To: AGAviator (#127)
Your inability to comprehend basic English makes me think you and Hanjour have something in common.
#130. To: Original_Intent (#128)
Again you selectively misrepresent the data.
#131. To: abraxas (#130)
Again you selectively misrepresent the data.
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