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Title: Scheduled Server Outage/Upgrade 1:30 AM ET (tonight)
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Published: Jul 29, 2010
Author: Neil
Post Date: 2010-07-29 22:38:03 by Pinguinite
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I'm going to take care of this this evening. I'll look to begin at 1:30 AM Eastern time. It should take about 45 mins or so. Something like that. This will be the first of 3 upgrades I'll do. I'll space them about 2-4 weeks apart, more or less.
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#7. To: All, *4um Admin News* (#0)
Guess I'll use the ping list and say the upgrade is done.
Yay and thanks! What'd ya do?
Bumped it up from Ubuntu linux v 8.04 to 8.10. Next upgrade will take it to 9.04.
I just installed 10.04 on an HP mini (using it now). Is the server edition that far behind the curve or are you just being conservative? BTW, I frikkin love Ubuntu. It's going to seep into the market quietly over the next couple/few years. I'm so glad to see Gates and Jobs having some of their market taken away, even if it's only a couple of percentage points. If you use Ubuntu as a notebook/desktop, check out Guake if you're unfamiliar with it: http://guake.org
http://guake.org Meh. Guake doesn't look that special to me. I can't see anything there that Snow Leopard's terminal doesn't do. Not that SL's terminal is so special either. But this reminds me of a complaint I have had for years about Linux: they use repulsive and nonsensical names that absolutely repel those who might switch to Linux. Guake sounds like the lizard people from Planet X. Or a gay version of Quake. Linux will never go anywhere until it adopts common descriptive names for its basic utilities. Like "Notepad", "Terminal", etc. Grandma and Cousin Jed are never ever going to run a program with a name like Guake. The Linux folk are nerds and think these obscure names are wonderful. Well, maybe for nerds. But I'm pretty nerdy and I don't like these names either. They're just flat-out annoying. This is a major reason for the failure of Linux on the desktop, along with the ongoing rivalry and issues surrounding the Gnome versus KDE desktops and libraries (hey, Linux guys, pick ONE!).
As far as the geeky names go, the problem is that Linux with it's vast open source development base, has a dozen different software packages available for any single application need, and simple names like "notepad" just aren't available.
I think they could adopt a convention of designating a particular app version as the official standard and giving it a decent name. I also think that Linux will never succeed as long as there is a divide between the Gnome and KDE camps. User interface design really is no longer any kind of rocket science: just pick one and relegate the other to legacy support. It doesn't even matter which one you pick; just pick one. If you had a system like this for Notepads and Terminals, then a new geeky-named competitor (fork or new project) might over time become more popular, then every few years they could choose to go to the new Notepad program. Let's face it, every system has Notepad programs. Some proliferation of names, often for obscure features, isn't that desirable. And just how extensive or subtle can a Notepad or a Terminal really be? This isn't actually a major divide that moves the hearts of men, causes people to kill each other, determines which computer system a person chooses to use (in the case of Linux, which computer system they choose not to use largely because of this endless confusing proliferation of minor versions of almost identical software). You need continuity of sorts to succeed. Then you have more books and magazine articles to tutor and promote the various packages, you have users who become knowledgeable about a standard utility and can help others. As I've said, this is one of the biggest single defects in any plan for Linux to conquer the desktop. If you're satisfied with obscurity (or if you purposely desire it for various reasons) then the current Linux practices are the way to go. Linux needs to finally become a platform, in the same sense we use those terms towards Windows and Mac OSes. Linux needs a way to standardize their APIs and utilities but keep the open-source nature of the Linux system. Linux is weaker as an OS because of the divided effort and duplicated effort of so many teams, especially Gnome vs. KDE. I know some people would fight to the death over the two but that is legacy stuff. Both are more than capable enough and the division in UI development harms Linux far far more than it can ever help it. I'm on Mac instead of Linux largely because I actually like having a standard set of utils that everyone else is using. I also like that OS X, unlike Linux, actually is a UNIX 2003™ certified OS. This is one reason why it was fairly easy to change the Pinguinite install script to produce a working P forum on the Mac. (I should remember to email that script to you just in case anyone else asks for it.) Of course, the very idea of standardization offends many Linux users. So I expect total marketshare/mindshare of Linux to continue to decline because of this tendency in the Linux community. To make my own prejudices clear, I think Linux should standardize on Ubuntu with KDE (Kubuntu). But Ubuntu with Gnome would work too.
The idea of top-down enforcement of standardization is what offends, not standardization itself. Standardizing based on merit, utility and efficiency appears to be the goal. Remember when we had a bazillion proprietary network protocols to contend with while TCP/IP was chugging along silently in the background? Then BOOM! TCP/IP is now the standard (even with its high overhead) that even IBM and Microsoft had to defer to. I think that Linux (and other *nix variants) are going through a similar process. I'm willing to go through the BS of the occasional frustration dealing with irregularities in the OS if it leads to freedom on the desktop and the server. Hell, Linux and FreeBSD already own the internet.
If that's true then the Linux elite have failed miserably with their apartheid repository system. One repository for the "pure" free stuff, and at least one more for the good stuff that has something they don't like about the license. Gotta segregate the pure stuff from the tainted, doncha know. In most distros this ends up as a real pain in the ass for the end user, who has to enable repos, and find the missing magic codecs, etc. to make stuff actually work. END THE HATE, integrate the repos! I love Linux and am on openSUSE now, but the purist "free" fanatics tick me off!
I'll have to try OpenSuse as I never have. Why do you like it?
It's very polished and full featured. The installer is a gem, does LVM and lots of other stuff. The Yast2 control center is also loaded with apps to configure just about anything. 11.3 works better with my old hardware, than the previous version.
Ever tried PCLinuxOS? I like it a lot.
Yes, a couple of years ago. It's a Mandrake/Mandriva spin-off. I'm a big Mandriva fan, so I liked it a lot. The only con I had at the time was that the repos were a bit thin on apps, and I couldn't find something or the other that I wanted back then. I'll have to give it another try now. I'm a distro hopper with about 13+ distros each, on two computers.
#43. To: hondo68 (#38)
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I would be surprised if they didn't have whatever you're looking for in the repository. It has something OVER 12,000 software packages.
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#14. To: bluegrass (#11)
If you use Ubuntu as a notebook/desktop, check out Guake if you're unfamiliar with it:
#15. To: TooConservative (#14)
#17. To: Pinguinite (#15)
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As far as the geeky names go, the problem is that Linux with it's vast open source development base, has a dozen different software packages available for any single application need, and simple names like "notepad" just aren't available.
#22. To: TooConservative (#17)
the very idea of standardization offends many Linux users.
#25. To: bluegrass (#22)
Standardizing based on merit, utility and efficiency appears to be the goal.
#32. To: hondo68 (#25)
I love Linux and am on openSUSE now, but the purist "free" fanatics tick me off!
#34. To: bluegrass (#32)
Why do you like it?
#35. To: hondo68 (#34)
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
Ever tried PCLinuxOS?
Replies to Comment # 38. Yes, a couple of years ago. It's a Mandrake/Mandriva spin-off. I'm a big Mandriva fan, so I liked it a lot. The only con I had at the time was that the repos were a bit thin on apps, and I couldn't find something or the other that I wanted back then. I'll have to give it another try now. I'm a distro hopper with about 13+ distros each, on two computers.
#44. To: hondo68 (#38)
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