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Post Date: 2010-08-01 09:57:39 by Eric Stratton
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What I would suggest is to start a thread on the subject of 911 coincidences and explain in the header essay what you are looking for i.e., "coincidences" that are not arcane and that can be communicated simply to raw public.
Poster Comment: Per OI's suggestion, that is what I've undertaken. I have come to the conclusion that the final nails into the coffin of our Republic are being conducted with neocons holding the hammer, willfully and gleefully as our Republik more than slowly becomes a totalitarian state on steroids. I have also come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is primarily for lack of serious personal investigation, willful negligence and ignorance in essence, as the reasons why they believe the official Fairy Tale. They've never seriously looked into the matter, only superficially, and they've been driven by how their political "heroes" in the GOP have responded to the "twoofers;" Lameblow, Hammity, Palin, Junior, Cheney, etc., etc. Granted, now Hussein is in office and they are blaming his cadre of people for merely continuing on in the BuchCo. legacy, but nevertheless, it is driven primarily by support for "national security," which we all here realize is really "federal government and NWO elite security," and which is all spun off of this notion that there are terrorists lurking around every street corner waiting to blow us all up when if that were even remotely true it'd have been done a thousand times already since 9/11. Instead, it's only happened a statistically insignificant number of times. It's clear that they're never going to spend as much time researching this as we all do here. After all, they have socials and far more important things to attend to and investments to take care of so that they can all retire when they're 50-years old and play golf five days a week until they die and therefore cannot be inconvenienced to actually consider why they may be lucky to have a set of clubs in five years and access to a course. So what I thought I would do is attempt to piece together a list of between 20 and 50 items that can be read within say a half-hour and that when considered individually really give cause for people to wonder about it all. 9/11 that is. But that when taken collectively, make them only ask "how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?" Obviously no one can force another to look, but what can be done is to make the top 20-50 points very easy to access and point out and ingest within a short period of time. This should be a "Reader's Digest" Short-list version if you will. Do I think that this is going to be the difference? No. I think that our Republic is toast in a major way regardless with much pain and suffering on the immediate horizon. But I also think that there's a very small window, and ever diminishing one, wherein which if all goes perfectly, perhaps there is at least a degree of hope, and God willing. If anyone has seen exactly this, please post the link. I have not. I have seen numerous lists that have many items, often "arcane" ones as OI states above. I know that there are also thousands of data points as well, hence the effort. If these points have blatant video evidence or irrefutable eye witness testimony from indisputable sources it would be good. Otherwise, simple logical "impossibilities" are also good. They should include the points that are the "biggest bang for the buck." I also know that many "financial coincidences" also fit the bill. I thought we could brainstorm this together. I will keep a "top-50" list, and anyone else can feel free to do the same obviously. But I thought a concentrated thread wherein only such data points are included and discussion related to them. It would be good to limit the thread to only that to avoid unnecessary clutter in a thread that will probably end up being quite large. Thoughts? Already been done? (Where?)
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#145. To: FormerLurker, James Deffenbach (#122)
the humanity....we missed Saint Alfonzo's pancake breakfast.
Interpretation, not fact: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the ease of initiating the charges using strain gauges or attenuated seismic initiation is child's play as is merely using 32 feet per second per second as the base timing sequence.
(1) Why is a 1/2 G turn called a "fighter pilot maneuver" when student pilots must pull 2 G's and fighter pilots pull over 8 G's. (2) Why is descending at 46.4667 feet per second or 31.818 MPH vertically called a "fighter manueuver" when roller coasters go faster than that. (3) Why a controller can express an opinion of a turn that does not even show up on the radar screen for its last half as being a "precision" turn she could not even see.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- could be he is just ascairt of the women folk. they intimidate him?
where are the videos from around the pentagon that were confiscated? oh that's right those can't be released as they do not depict the official fairy tale championed by you and the rest of the liar movement.
Sorry bubba, real women don't hoot, holler, and cheerlead around homos.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give me the source that states fighter aircraft ALWAYS pull over 8 g's. Also, give me a source that states how many g's are required for the FAA private pilot's license.
It was travelling at 400 mph, and the turn was precise. BTW, what evidence do you have which indicates Hanjour was onboard that aircraft, and that it was in fact him at the controls?
State a source which indicates the aircraft disappeared off the radar halfway into the turn. Which turn, the first, or the last?
Also, give me a source Nobody said that. However fighter pilots need to pull over 8 G's just to break away from SAM'S. When an irreversible setup exists making you unable to post further after I do prove what you challenge and claim to be false.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, and the Apollo moonship needed to travel faster than escape velocity to break Earth orbit. Now, what makes you say that the manuever "couldn't have been that of a fighter jet" since the aircraft didn't pull 8 g's?
Can you please say that in English? Are your "constucts" failing? Now, give me a source that provides some evidence that Hani Hanjour was onboard Flight 77, and that he took control of the aircraft somewhere close to the Ohio border, then flew the aircraft from Ohio to Washington, and flew the aircraft into the Pentagon while flying 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph in a Boeing 757.
Which is against FAA regulations. Maybe it wasn't a real FAA examiner after all. If it was, he is a highly corrupt individual.
What Fox News wasn't counting on was that not everyone would be as naive and gullible as you, buck. They gave those kids candy to get them to act like they're celebrating.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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Assume? There's plenty of evidence for it.
when did she ever cheerlead around you? I for one am still waiting for those videos.
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There certainly has to be SOME reason why buck ignores all physical and cimcumstantial evidence, and makes up his own laws of physics. BTW, has either of them explained why Hani Hanjour is listed as the Flight 77 hijacker who flew the aircraft from Ohio to Washington, then flew it into the Pentagton at 530 mph while flying 20 feet off the ground? Have YOU ever seen any evidence indicating he was in fact the pilot of that aircraft? I have never at any time or in any place seen ANY evidence to prove that Hani Hanjour was behind the stick on Flight 77. It was simply asserted and repeated by the lackey controlled media without any evidence but treated as though it was a proven fact. I am sure that the cover story was written in advance and was simply rolled out over the first couple of days and then given constant repetition to implant the story. Since many people take uncritically anything presented on the almighty Television it was simply repeated until it stuck. However, then it began to unravel. Being a lie he has to be constantly reinforced lest the truth emerge. The problem with a lie versus the truth is that the truth is much stronger. The truth has to do nothing to continue being true because it is the "isness" the reality - the exact time, place, form, and event. Because it is the truth it is the most basic fundamental reality and the lie is an alteration of that reality of exact time, place, form, and event. However, because it is an alteration it has no sticking power and must be constantly repeated and reinforced. That is why the bad guys have to employ so many shills to pepper forums with their lies because they have the weaker position.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
careful you are dealing with guy who could on a regular basis come in second place in a debate with yukon, third if mad dog chimed in.
Give yourself a source. It is known that Flight 77 did not arrive at its destination. There are hundreds of people who worked on a report saying that it crashed into the Pentagon, and there are hundreds more who provided evidence and testimony used to arrive at that conclusion. Before you proceed any further, you need to state why they are all wrong and you have some privileged and specific information that overrides everything they've said and done. And this must be done with clear supportable facts of your own, not just nit picking at things in their proceedings and processes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why weren't the windows broken where the wings should have hit them?
As usual, the CT'ers can't go for any length of time without going to the gutter with zero redeeming content.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Give me a source which provides evidence that indicates Hani Hanjour flew the plane from Ohio to Washington, then flew it into the Pentagon. Can you even prove he was on that plane?
Speaking in generalities again and acting as though the unproven generalities are facts simply because you say so. Gosh, I just don't know what it is, but for some strange reason I find your unsupported assertions about as believable as a Used Car Salesman on the make.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
the clear supportable facts are the government refuses to release all the videos they confiscated from around the pentagon on 9-11-01 now why is that unless those videos do not depict the scenario they created for shills like you and the rest of the liar movement to plug.
You're contributing nothing here. The thread isn't aimed at you or asking for anything that you have. All you two are is a source of noise. It was you noise makers who trashed a thread started by buckeroo titled "9/11 Demolition Theory Challenged," with obscene and personal attacking posts having zero content. Looking through the posting history, we have a perfect case study of what phony little bitches you all are to accuse anybody else of dumping on somebody else's thread. This is just the first 50 out of 1200 total posts 911 Demolition Theory Challenged #10 Challenged by morons and stooges, who cares? God is always good! RickyJ posted on 2010-07-17 18:23:33 ET #11 Fair assumption for idiots, but a damn dumb one for anyone else. God is always good! RickyJ posted on 2010-07-17 18:26:34 ET #30.Bullshit. When you want to get shredded (again) let me know. Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 19:38:38 ET #31. God bless you for spending your precious time engaging serial spinners like AGitprop and bohicAROO...intellectually dishonest posters don't excite me so much anymore, especially when frauds like these have been shown on many occasions to be less than honest, at the very least. Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 19:43:48 ET #35. not to pigs like you Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 20:06:43 ET #40.lol.........OH NO!!! What ever shall you do? Buck has gone and put you on bozo filter.......oh, the horror of it all! Oh, de humanity!! abraxas posted on 2010-07-17 20:12:18 ET #41.perfect, asswipe Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 20:14:03 ET #42.yeah, well...i don't exactly know HOW MUCH counseling i'll need to maybe get through this. /thick sarcasm Rotara posted on 2010-07-17 20:15:32 ET #44. Lol.......I have a sinister plan to pay for all of that counseling. Draft a ten step plan: How to get onto Buck's Bozo Filter. Many at 4um will open their wallets happily for such a valuable, dare I say priceless, information. They will pay double if the plan applies to AGAviator. abraxas posted on 2010-07-17 20:20:34 ET ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- he wont because he can't, his handler figured everyone was as stupid as AGovshill and bucky are and would just take their word for it like the liar movement members did/do.
You apparently feel a need to try to make this thread about you. We aren't interested in you, what we're interested in is in seeing any evidence whatsoever that Hani Hanjour boarded Flight 77, that he hijacked it as the aircraft was approaching Ohio, that he flew it from Ohio to Washington, then flew it into the Pentagon. Can you even prove he was onboard that flight?
He's seriously dodging the request isn't he...
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all he has ever done because as you and I and everyone knows AGovshill and the rest of the liar movement has nothing.
prior to the "kinder, gentler navy" we used to post signs in our work spaces that read "Hire the handicapped, they are fun to watch." for the likes of AGovshill's type.
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Whether it's intentional or not it's certainly all they're doing.
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the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#146. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#133)
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Let me remind you that the info is highly referenced and not subject to your interpretations...
*Al Qaeda’s Top Gun
*Willful Deception by the 9/11 Commission
*The Legend Unraveled
*In an apparent attempt to bolster the misleading characterization that Hanjour began training "in earnest",...
*Furthermore, there remains an open question about whether Hanjour was actually qualified to receive that certificate...
*It seems highly dubious...
FALSE STATEMENT: *Anyone unfamiliar with pilot certification could easily make the mistake of thinking a "commercial pilot license" meant Hanjour was qualified to fly a jet airliner, a conclusion reinforced by the Washington Post’s false assertion that his certificate allowed him "to fly commercial jets." ...
*The 9/11 Commission report reinforced that false impression, only vaguely hinting at the truth...
*But the Commission then further obfuscated that truth...
*The implications are that Hanjour was
*By misleadingly suggesting that this occurred...
*Apparently intended to bolster the claim that this was "refresher" training by making it sound as though this occurred at Hanjour’s old school,...
*The 9/11 Commission was also deceiving the public suggesting that the sole reason Hanjour was not able to complete his training on multi-engine planes was because his English wasn’t good enough....
TRUE STATMENT!!!! *"There was no suspicion as far as evildoing. It was more of a very typical instructional concern...
*As already discussed, It remains an open question whether Hanjour was actually qualified...
*Instead, the FAA inspector who "even sat next to the hijacker, Hani Hanjour, in one of the Arizona classes" and "checked records to ensure Hanjour’s 1999 pilot’s license was legitimate" concluded that "no other action was warranted" and actually suggested that Hanjour get a translator
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#147. To: FormerLurker (#140)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#148. To: FormerLurker (#143)
Obvious that you respond to facts with ad hominems.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#149. To: FormerLurker (#144)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#150. To: AGAviator (#148)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#151. To: IRTorqued (#149)
could be he is just ascairt of the women folk. they intimidate him?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#152. To: AGAviator (#148)
(1) Why is a 1/2 G turn called a "fighter pilot maneuver" when student pilots must pull 2 G's and fighter pilots pull over 8 G's.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#153. To: AGAviator (#148)
(2) Why is descending at 46.4667 feet per second or 31.818 MPH vertically called a "fighter manueuver" when roller coasters go faster than that.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#154. To: AGAviator (#148)
(3) Why a controller can express an opinion of a turn that does not even show up on the radar screen for its last half as being a "precision" turn she could not even see.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#152)
Give me the source that states fighter aircraft ALWAYS pull over 8 g's.
Also, give me a source
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#156. To: AGAviator (#155)
Nobody said that. However fighter pilots need to pull over 8 G's just to break away from SAM'S.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: AGAviator (#155)
When an irreversible setup exists making you unable to post further after I do prove what you challenge and claim to be false.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: AGAviator (#146)
and actually suggested that Hanjour get a translator
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#159. To: buckeroo, GreyLmist, *9-11* (#128)
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#160. To: All (#159)
#161. To: GreyLmist, All (#160)
The Palestinian woman who was offered cake....
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#162. To: AGAviator (#66)
#163. To: Amandil (#71)
#164. To: Eric Stratton (#162)
What should I/we assume, that you guys are just that, a couple of real pricks and first-class assholes, or what AGA? You tell me!!
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#165. To: AGAviator (#151)
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the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#166. To: James Deffenbach (#94)
#167. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, AGAviator, ALL (#105)
His fragile ego can't handle it, and his fixed ideas won't let him change his "mind".
#168. To: Eric Stratton (#162)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#169. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#157)
Now, give me a source
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#170. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, all (#169)
you need to state why they are all wrong and you have some privileged and specific information that overrides everything they've said and done.
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#171. To: Eric Stratton, christine, buckeroo (#166)
Perhaps they can apply for the position of ass-plug for the GOP equivalent of Barney Frank.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#172. To: AGAviator (#169)
Give yourself a source.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#173. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker (#169)
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There are hundreds of people who worked on a report saying that it crashed into the Pentagon, and there are hundreds more who provided evidence and testimony used to arrive at that conclusion.
#174. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#169)
Before you proceed any further, you need to state why they are all wrong and you have some privileged and specific information that overrides everything they've said and done.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#175. To: Eric Stratton, buckeroo, turtle (#162)
Why, you two can't not come in and shit all over the place and make a big mess?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#176. To: FormerLurker (#172)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#177. To: AGAviator, Eric Stratton, turtle, All (#175)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#178. To: IRTorqued (#176)
he wont because he can't, his handler figured everyone was as stupid as AGovshill and bucky are and would just take their word for it like the liar movement members did/do.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: wudidiz (#164)
#180. To: AGAviator (#175)
#181. To: FormerLurker (#178)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#182. To: Eric Stratton (#180)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#183. To: IRTorqued (#182)
#184. To: All (#182)
#185. To: Eric Stratton (#179)
I'm starting to think that that's their sole purpose.
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