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What I would suggest is to start a thread on the subject of 911 coincidences and explain in the header essay what you are looking for i.e., "coincidences" that are not arcane and that can be communicated simply to raw public.
Poster Comment: Per OI's suggestion, that is what I've undertaken. I have come to the conclusion that the final nails into the coffin of our Republic are being conducted with neocons holding the hammer, willfully and gleefully as our Republik more than slowly becomes a totalitarian state on steroids. I have also come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is primarily for lack of serious personal investigation, willful negligence and ignorance in essence, as the reasons why they believe the official Fairy Tale. They've never seriously looked into the matter, only superficially, and they've been driven by how their political "heroes" in the GOP have responded to the "twoofers;" Lameblow, Hammity, Palin, Junior, Cheney, etc., etc. Granted, now Hussein is in office and they are blaming his cadre of people for merely continuing on in the BuchCo. legacy, but nevertheless, it is driven primarily by support for "national security," which we all here realize is really "federal government and NWO elite security," and which is all spun off of this notion that there are terrorists lurking around every street corner waiting to blow us all up when if that were even remotely true it'd have been done a thousand times already since 9/11. Instead, it's only happened a statistically insignificant number of times. It's clear that they're never going to spend as much time researching this as we all do here. After all, they have socials and far more important things to attend to and investments to take care of so that they can all retire when they're 50-years old and play golf five days a week until they die and therefore cannot be inconvenienced to actually consider why they may be lucky to have a set of clubs in five years and access to a course. So what I thought I would do is attempt to piece together a list of between 20 and 50 items that can be read within say a half-hour and that when considered individually really give cause for people to wonder about it all. 9/11 that is. But that when taken collectively, make them only ask "how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?" Obviously no one can force another to look, but what can be done is to make the top 20-50 points very easy to access and point out and ingest within a short period of time. This should be a "Reader's Digest" Short-list version if you will. Do I think that this is going to be the difference? No. I think that our Republic is toast in a major way regardless with much pain and suffering on the immediate horizon. But I also think that there's a very small window, and ever diminishing one, wherein which if all goes perfectly, perhaps there is at least a degree of hope, and God willing. If anyone has seen exactly this, please post the link. I have not. I have seen numerous lists that have many items, often "arcane" ones as OI states above. I know that there are also thousands of data points as well, hence the effort. If these points have blatant video evidence or irrefutable eye witness testimony from indisputable sources it would be good. Otherwise, simple logical "impossibilities" are also good. They should include the points that are the "biggest bang for the buck." I also know that many "financial coincidences" also fit the bill. I thought we could brainstorm this together. I will keep a "top-50" list, and anyone else can feel free to do the same obviously. But I thought a concentrated thread wherein only such data points are included and discussion related to them. It would be good to limit the thread to only that to avoid unnecessary clutter in a thread that will probably end up being quite large. Thoughts? Already been done? (Where?)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
911 Timeline He is selected for additional scrutiny by airport security under the FAA’s CAPPS program (see (6:20 a.m.-7:48 a.m.) September 11, 2001), but this has no consequences. The final two Flight 77 hijackers, brothers Nawaf and Salem Alhazmi, check in at approximately 7:29 a.m. The customer service representative makes both of them CAPPS selectees, because one of them cannot provide photo identification and seems unable to understand English, and he finds both of them suspicious. However, the only consequence is that Salem Alhazmi’s luggage is not loaded onto the plane until it is confirmed that he has boarded. Surveillance cameras monitor the security checkpoints at Dulles Airport. According to the 9/11 Commission’s review of security footage, Hani Hanjour passes through the Main Terminal’s west security screening checkpoint at 7:35 a.m. He proceeds through the metal detector without setting off the alarm, and his two carry-on bags set off no alarms when placed on the X-ray belt. The Alhazmis arrive at the same checkpoint a minute later. Salem Alhazmi successfully clears the metal detector, and is permitted through the checkpoint. Nawaf Alhazmi sets off the alarms for both the first and second metal detectors and is subsequently subjected to a personal screening with a metal detection hand wand before being passed. His shoulder bag is swiped by an explosive trace detector and returned without further inspection. [9/11 Commission, 1/27/2004; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 3; 9/11 Commission, 8/26/2004, pp. 27-28 ] 911 Research.com Jim Hoffman Pentagon Attack No Jetliner Claims
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- are you familiar with Jim Marrs? and if you haven't already read this book and I do have a loner copy. I imagine the only thing that might get most of the folks in the liar movement to see the light would be for someone to wave more money at them than their current owners are paying them. But who wants liars coming over just for money? If the current owners then offered them another penny more they would switch again.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Is the shill arguing that there is no such thing as a controlled top down demolition? If he is that is yet another lie.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. And we all missed that "pancake" of the building falling down too since that isn't what happened.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Well, they could certainly apply for the position of aholes since they are both extremely well qualified.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. deleted
The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Yeah, they looked familiar.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. only in that their names are spelled the same.
Yes.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Yes. No. That's about as much discussion as the subject deserves, LOL.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FL and the twoofer team are taking the day off. They are tired of coming up with silly questions that are easily disputed with some FACTS they could have researched all by themselves.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You: Yes. Post it then, with a credible source. By evidence, I mean something like proof that he checked in, or perhaps even bought a ticket for the flight.
I don't need to prove a negative. There is no credible evidence that proves Hanjour was ever on that flight.
By evidence, I mean something like proof that he checked in, or perhaps even bought a ticket for the flight. Sure. Here is the link to FLT77's official passenger list. You can click on it. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Neither can you claim that not needing to prove a negative makes your claims true. The best you can say is "Nothing is known and more information is needed." Actually there is, and it is the result of hundreds of investigators and tens of thousands of man hours. To proceed to some alternative theory, you must first show why it is better than what already exists, point by point, rebutted item by rebutted item.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did you hear about the guy that helped Hanjour with his fake ID? Abdel Rahman Omar Tawfiq Alfauru - Arlington, Virginia, Charged by FBI allegedly participating in a fake identification ring, documents associated with 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour. I am still attempting to find out what his jail sentence was. Alfauru helped most of the illegal aliens acquire fake IDs. edit - added hotlink to findlaw... piles of Islamic folks going to court.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
edit - added hotlink to findlaw... piles of Islamic folks going to court. Good job, it would be hard for me to have the patience.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the person claiming to be Hanjour had a fake ID. Hmmm, so was the person getting the fake ID the REAL Hani Hanjour?
Now is there any proof that the person calling himself Hanjour even boarded that plane? I mean, did he checkin, or did he just have a ticket and missed his flight?
Well lookie here, the original news reports stated that Hanjour didn't show up on the flight manifest since he might not have had a ticket.... From The Washington Post But, I already told you in an earlier post: I don't care about the Washington Post article, often newspapers reports are based on misinterpretation.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Which is a good thing because, as far as I know, you can't prove a negative. One of the morons who used to post on LP made the claim years ago that Osama bin Forgotten had been killed in a cave with a daisy cutter bomb. I told him to prove he was dead since he made the claim. He told me to prove he wasn't and that idiot never could be convinced that neither I nor anyone else could prove a negative and that as the one who posited the claim it was incumbent upon him to prove it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't care about the Washington Post article, often newspapers reports are based on misinterpretation. And I don't care what some character called buckeroo has to say, I find the Washington Post more credible than you and your government handlers.
Jimmy Carter, big a liar as he is, is more credible than buck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. ? Here is another pdf of Hanjour (based on the FBI)... eat your heart. By the way, Hanjour's helpers were one way or another indicted; many of whom admitted GUILTY.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Talk about a perfect yet obvious setup. If a real person had done what Hanjour is said to have done, he at least would have done one or both of two things; 1) Left a note or a video informing the world of what he did and why he did it. The "box cutters" and the "four color diagrams of a 757 instrument panel" are just a bit much. In reality, he would have either made it difficult for law enforcment to find out who he was, OR announced that he was in fact the hijacker, and would have explained why he and his pals did it. Is this document authentic, or was it provided by a writer?
You have a serious problem, FL. You deny hardcore evidence EVEN when there were indictments of and about Hanjour's accomplices. Many of those indictments went to federal court. And many of those same indictments, the defendants pleaded GUILTY. EDIT: HERE IS A LIST OF ACCOMPLICES: Faisal Michael Al Salmi Phoenix, Az. Accused of giving false statements to the FBI, claiming he did not know hijacker Hani Hanjour, however the FBI claims to have several pieces of evidence to the contrary; Also lied to FBI saying he had not spoken to Rayed Mohammed Abdullah, an associate of Hanjour. Both cases of lieing, claimed the FBI, impeded the investigation into the 9/11 hijackers. Al Salmi was convicted, served 34 days plus time served, and the Justice Department has requested he be deported. Semi Osman Seattle, WA. Alleged to have attended a Seattle mosque where a plan to build a terrorist training camp was hatched (the mosque no longer exists), the camp to be built in Oregon. Osman pleaded guilty to having a firearm with an obliterated serial number. He is reported to be a material witness and being held while he cooperates with authorities, reportedly targeting London, England cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, an alleged Al Qaeda recruiter. James Ujaama Denver, CO. Attended the same mosque in Seattle where a plot was allegedly hateched to create a terrorist training camp in Oregon, is being held as a material witness targeting ondon, England cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, an alleged Al Qaeda recruiter. Ghassan Dahduli Rchardson, TX. Palestinian leader of the Islamic Association for Palestine, which Israel says is a front for the terrorist group Hamas. He is alleged to have identified as an associate of Osama Bin Laden and another man, Wadih el Hage convicted of connections to the bombings of U.S. Embassies in Africa. Dahduli was arrested and deported to Jordon where he was released a few weeks later. Atallah Fuad Khoury Houston, TX Allegedly bragged to a rental car clerk that he had a new pilots license and to "watch the news". In November 2001, He plead guilty and was convicted of possessing a gun illegally and lieing on the gun dealer from about his citizenship status. Mohammed Jaweed Azmath Ft. Worth, TX Police arrested Azmath during a random drug search on 9/12/01, indicted in Jan, 2002 on charges of selling credit cards and identification cards to an unamed third conspirator. Has pleaded not guilty Ayub Ali Khan Ft. Worth, TX Police arrested Khan during a random drug search on 9/12/01, indicted in Jan, 2002 on charges of selling credit cards and identification cards to an unamed third conspirator. Plead not guilty Hussein al-Attas Norman, OK. One of three students arrested at U of Oklahoma, alleged associate of Zacarias Moussaoui who was arrested in August in Minnesota while seeking training to pilot commercial airliners, following the pattern of the 9/11 terrorists. The justice deparment claims al-Attas was a roomate of Moussaoui. Mohammad Yaseen Haider Norman, OK. President of the U of Oklahoma Pakistan Student Association was a neighbor of Moussaoui, charged with immigration violations. Mukkaram Ali Norman, OK. One of three students arrested at U of Oklahoma, alleged associate of Zacarias Moussaoui who was arrested in August in Minnesota while seeking training to pilot commercial airliners, following the pattern of the 9/11 terrorists. The justice deparment claims al-Attas was a roomate of Moussaoui. Adel F. Badri Warrensburg, MO. Arrested on bank fraud charges, allegedly cashing forged checks totaling $10,000, and was a student pilot, plea bargained to bank fraud and convicted, thought to be cooperating with federal authorities. Youssef Hmimssa Cedar Rapids, Iowa Arrested in September of 2001 on fraud and misuse of visa and other documents charges. Lived under an assumed name, Michael Saisa, indicted in Detroit when his immigration documents were found on terrorists suspects arested there. While investigations continue, Hmimssa is being held on the document charges. Zacarias Moussaoui Eagan, Minnesota Accused of conspiring with Osama Bin Laden and the 19 9/11 hijackers for the 9/11 attacks. Moussaoui is a Moroccan with French Citizenship. Moussaoui is alleged to have received funds from a financier central to the 9/11 plot and also trained at an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. Moussaoui had attended but not completed flight training in May of 2001. Moussaoui was originally arrested on immigration charges a month before the 9/11 attacks when his flight instructor (at a different school) became suspicious of the odd training requests. Moussaoui's trail is due to begin at the end of September, 2002. Ollie Salem Kahlan Al-Marri West Peoria, Illinois AlMarri arrested in connection with telephone credit cards that belonged to Mustafa Ahmed al-Hisawi, a suspected cash distributor to 9/11 hijackers. Charged with a number of counts of credit card fraud. Nabil Al-Marabh Justice, Illinois Arrested September 18, 2001 on charges he was part of a financial cash flow and support ring for 9/11 terrorists Ahmed Alghamdi and Satam Al Sugami. Involved in the investigation of Marabh is the U.S. Customs Service and the FBI. Omar Shishani Detroit, Michigan Arrested in July of 2002, at the Detroit Metro Aiport, carrying $12 million of conterfeit cashier's checks. Shishani is a Chechnyan with Jordanian documents. He has plead not guilty to possession of counterfeit securities and smuggling charges. He remains in jail while investigations continue. Karim Koubriti Detroit, Michigan Arrested a few days after 9/11 for fraud and misuse of various immigration documents (See Youssef Hmimssa). Arresting officials were alarmed by airport drawings in his possession. Terrorism charges have since been dropped and he faces trial only on the immigration charges. Ahmed Hannan Detroit, Michigan Arrested a few days after 9/11 for fraud and misuse of various immigration documents (See Youssef Hmimssa). Arresting officials were alarmed by airport drawings in his possession. Terrorism charges have since been dropped and he faces trial only on the immigration charges. Vincente Pierre Roanoke, Virginia Convicted in December of 2001, on weapons charges and making false statements, after indictment a few days after 9/11/01. Alleged member of terrorist group al-Fuqra seeking to "purify Islam through violence". Traci Upshur Roanoke, Virgina Convicted in December of 2001, on weapons charges and making false statements, after indictment a few days after 9/11/01. Alleged member of terrorist group al-Fuqra seeking to "purify Islam through violence". Bilal Adullah Ben Benu Roanoke, Virginia Charged with illegally transporting ammunctionfor AK-47 automatic rifles. Alleged member of terrorist group al-Fuqra seeking to "purify Islam through violence". Mohammed Osman Idris Arlington, Virginia Idris and Mohammed El-Yacoubi were stopped by authorities while trying to fly to Jerusalm in December 2001, and found to be carrying a letter which indicated they were about to conduct suicide attacks in Israel. Idris is charged with lying to a Grand Jury and is being held pending investigation of ties to terrorist groups. Mohammed El-Yacoubi Fairfax, Virginia Mohammed El-Yacoubi and Mohammad Osman Idris were stopped by authorities while trying to fly to Jerusalm in December 2001, and found to be carrying a letter which indicated they were about to conduct suicide attacks in Israel. El-Yaciybu is being held pending investigation of ties to terrorist groups. Nabil Sarama Orlando, Florida Palestinian arrested a few days after 9/11, found near a pay phone used to make bomb threats. Charged with misuse or fraud involving immigration and identification documents. Sarama is well known in the immigration database, moving in and out of the country numerous times using Palestinian Authority, Israeli, or Jordanian passports. Abdel Rahman Omar Tawfiq Alfauru Arlington, Virginia Charged by FBI allegedly participating in a fake identification ring, documents associated with 9/11 hijacker Hani Hanjour. Agus Budima Arlington, Virginia Indoneisan National charged in November 2001 of helping Mohamad Bin Nasser Belfas -- a contact of Osam Bin Laden -- to falsely obtain a Virginia driver's license. Plead guilty to document fraud charges. Budiman is alleged to be a contact of 9/11 ring leader and hijacker Mohamed Atta. Budiman's visa shows he arrived from Germany in 2000. An associate, Belfas, is still at large. Budima has not been charged as a terrorist. Mohamed Abdi Alexandria, Virginia Arrested nearly two weeks after 9/11/01, Abdi pleaded guilty to forging a signature on a housing subsidy check, and sentenced to four months in prison. Authorities were led to Abdi by a map with his misspelled name and phone number on a Washington, D.C. map found in 9/11 hijacker Nawaf Alhazmi's car parked at Dulles Airport. Abdi has not been charged with terrorist offenses. Kenys Galicia Arlington, Virginia Sentened to a year in jail for assisting two hijackers in obtaining false Virginia documents. Authorities however, say he had no prior knowlege of the acts the hijackers were going to commit. Luis Martinez-Flores Arlington, Virginia Sentened to almost a year in jail for assisting two hijackers in obtaining false Virginia documents. Authorities however, say he had no prior knowlege of the acts the hijackers were going to commit. Herbet Villalobos Arlington, Virginia Sentened to almost a year in jail for assisting two hijackers in obtaining false Virginia documents. Authorities however, say he had no prior knowlege of the acts the hijackers were going to commit. Victor Lopez-Flores Arlington, Virginia Sentened to almost a year in jail for assisting two hijackers in obtaining false Virginia documents. Authorities however, say he had no prior knowlege of the acts the hijackers were going to commit. Hhalid al-Draibi Washington, D.C. Detained near Dulles International Airport on 9/11. Search revealed licensees from eight states, flight manuals for small aircraft. However, authorities did not press for terrorist charges. Draibi was sentenced to four months in jail and ordered to be deporated at release. Rasmi Subhi Salah al Shannaq Baltimore, Maryland Jordanian arrested for overstaying his visa, then indicted for obtaininga counterfeit and illegaly obtained visa from the embassy in Doha, Qatar. The nvestigation includes some 70 other people who used false identification from Qatar to enter the U.S. and possible U.S. Embassy at Qatar employees participation. Mohammad Pervez Jersey City, New Jersey Arrested a few days after 9/11/01, harged with lying to an FBI agent about checks he wrote and deposited. Pervez lived with two Ft. Worth, TX. suspects (see Mohammed Jaweed Azmath and Ayub Ali Khan), as Pervez was found living at their Jersey CIty address Mustafa Kilfat Elizabeth, New Jersey Among a group of alleged co-conspirators in the 9/11 attacks (1 of 3) taken into custody on September 13, 2001 -- This suspect was carrying one way ticket to Syria and large amounts of cash -- charged with credit card fraud, and carrying a false Greek passport. No terrorist charges have been filed. Ahmad Kilfat Elizabeth, New Jersey Among a group of alleged co-conspirators in the 9/11 attacks (2 of 3) taken into custody on September 13, 2001 -- This suspect was carrying one way ticket to Syria and large amounts of cash -- charged with credit card fraud, but has not been charged with terrorist activities. Mohammed Mahmous Al Raqqad Elizabeth, New Jersey Among a group of alleged co-conspirators in the 9/11 attacks 3 of 3) taken into custody on September 13, 2001 -- This suspect was carrying one way ticket to Syria and large amounts of cash. He has not been charged with any offense. Abdallah Higazy New York, NY Egyptian charged in January 2002 of making false statements to investigators -- denying knowlege of radio found in his hotel room, but later cleared when another hotel guest claimed the radio, Higazy was released. Khalid Sharaf- Alsubiani New York, NY Arrested in October in New York, paid cash for flight lessons which he did not complete (1999) and failed to appear in court on minor charges in North Carolina and Georgia. Also attended flight school in Texas. Shafal A. Mosed Lackawanna, NY Charged with providing material support to terrorists, could spend 15 years in federal prison. Arrested on 9/14/02. Suspected of training at the al-Farouq training camp in Afghanistan. Faysal H. Galab Lackawanna, NY Charged with providing material support to terrorists, could spend 15 years in federal prison. Arrested on 9/14/02. Suspected of training at the al-Farouq training camp in Afghanistan. Yahya Goba Lackawanna, NY Charged with providing material support to terrorists, could spend 15 years in federal prison. Arrested on 9/14/02. Suspected of training at the al-Farouq training camp in Afghanistan. Yasein A. Taher Lackawanna, NY Charged with providing material support to terrorists, could spend 15 years in federal prison. Arrested on 9/14/02. Suspected of training at the al-Farouq training camp in Afghanistan. Sahim A. Alwan Lackawanna, NY Charged with providing material support to terrorists, could spend 15 years in federal prison. Arrested on 9/14/02. Suspected of training at the al-Farouq training camp in Afghanistan. Richard Reid Boston, Massachusetts a.k.a. Abdel Rahim, arrested in December 2001 when he tried to set his shoes on fire on an aircraft between Paris to Miami, plane diverted to Logan Airport and Reid turned over to authorities. Passengers responded to stewardess who requested help in subduing Reid. Subsequently Reid was indicted on nine counts of various charges from explosives to specific terrorist activites including attempted destruction of a mass transportation vehicle, although a later judge ruled, amazingly, that an airliner is not a vehicle of mass transportation. There is also an alleged contact between Reid and Zacarias Moussaoui (also listed in this table). Mohamed Hussein Dorchester, Massachusetts The Hussein` brothers operated the Barakaat North America Inc. offices, Dorchester Massachusetts, charged with operating an unlicensed Dubai based money transfer service with other offices in Seattle, WA; Minneapolis,, MN. and Columbus, Ohio. Federal authorities claim part of the fee charged for wire transfers was diverted to use by Osama Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda network. Liban Hussein Dorchester, Massachusetts The Hussein brothers operated the Barakaat North America Inc. offices, Dorchester Massachusetts, charged with operating an unlicensed Dubai based money transfer service with other offices in Seattle, WA; Minneapolis,, MN. and Columbus, Ohio. Federal authorities claim part of the fee charged for wire transfers was diverted to use by Osama Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda network. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
As far as the flight manifest, where is it? The Washington Post apparently was given a different manifest which didn't list Hanjour. Which one was the real one? I've seen the pictures of Hanjour, and I've seen the airport images of someone who is alleged to be him. To me, they definitely look like two different people. You'll notice the hairlines are different, and the person in the bottom has a wider girth. In fact, Hanjour's license photo doesn't look much like his passport photo; Are these actually THREE DIFFERENT PEOPLE maybe?
What hardcore evidence? Do you have an official record of his fingerprints? Do his official fingerprints match what he's allegedly handled? Is there any video of him boarding the aircraft? Has his DNA been located at the crash site, and if so, what lab has determined that? Hell, it looks like there are THREE different Hani Hanjours, judging from the images on the net presented as true images of him.
I provided the AA77 manifest. You do the research, pal. You are just squeaking out of your own corner.... because you can't research your own BS.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You provided an ALLEGED manifest, which is different than the one reviewed by the Washington Post. Has the Post ever issued a retraction of their story?
Nope... FACTUAL and from American Airlines. As I said, I don't care what WP says. Your reference material is based on irresponsible reporting.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Does it really matter what buck has produced or not produced? Didn't ALL of Hanjours/Hanjoors flight instructors say he was a piss-poor pilot and that he could barely fly a Cessna? That being the case who but a government shill or a brain-dead moron would claim that he could do stunts with a commercial airliner that actual stunt pilots would be hard pressed to do in stunt planes?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. What makes you think it came from American Airlines? Some guy's word on the Internet?
Of course Hanjour couldn't have flown a 757 from Ohio to Washington, then flown it 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph after pulling a few precision turns to descend to the right flight path. Thing is, there are different stories as to what angle the plane descended from, so it's still unclear if there were more than one aircraft involved in the attack, one perhaps a real airliner, and the other a high speed drone carrying some sort of missile. But yes, you're right, Hanjour didn't have the ability to fly any sort of jet, never mind a Boeing 757.
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#187. To: FormerLurker (#172)
The 9/11 Commission estimates that Flight 77 hijacker Hani Hanjour checks in at the American Airlines ticket counter at Washington’s Dulles International Airport some time between 7:25 a.m. and 7:35 a.m. (American Airlines will be unable to locate information confirming his check-in time.) [9/11 Commission, 8/26/2004, pp. 93 ]
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#188. To: Eric Stratton (#184)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#189. To: Eric Stratton (#184)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#190. To: IRTorqued (#139)
that factaphobic bucky knows those are the videos that needs to be seen by the public but can't because it will destroy the liar movement. when the liar movement is destroyed bucky and AGovshill are out of a job, poor saps.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#191. To: FormerLurker (#140)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#192. To: IRTorqued (#145)
the humanity....we missed Saint Alfonzo's pancake breakfast.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#193. To: Eric Stratton (#166)
Perhaps they can apply for the position of ass-plug for the GOP equivalent of Barney Frank.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#194. To: IRTorqued (#168)
careful you are dealing with guy who could on a regular basis come in second place in a debate with yukon, third if mad dog chimed in.
LOL!
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#195. To: IRTorqued (#189)
#196. To: IRTorqued (#188)
#197. To: James Deffenbach (#191)
#198. To: Eric Stratton (#197)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#199. To: Eric Stratton (#196)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#200. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#138)
DO you know of any evidence indicating Hani Hanjour was onboard that aircraft [AAFLT77, flight from IAD to LAX (pushed back from Gate D26 at 08:09 AM and took off from Runway 30 at Dulles at 08:20 AM) on Tuesday September 11, 2001], and that he took control of the plane and flew it from Ohio to Washington DC?
#201. To: buckeroo (#200)
Do you know of any evidence indicating Hani Hanjour was onboard that aircraft [AAFLT 77]?
And does FL have any evidence that Hanjour was not on that flight?
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#202. To: AGAviator (#201)
#203. To: buckeroo, AGaviator, ALL (#200)
Me: DO you know of any evidence indicating Hani Hanjour was onboard that aircraft, and that he took control of the plane and flew it from Ohio to Washington DC?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#204. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, ALL (#201)
And does FL have any evidence that Hanjour was not on that flight? No.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#205. To: FormerLurker (#203)
(Edited)
Post it then, with a credible source.
#206. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#204)
I don't need to prove a negative.
There is no credible evidence that proves Hanjour was ever on that flight.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#207. To: AGAviator (#206)
(Edited)
Actually there is, and it is the result of hundreds of investigators and tens of thousands of man hours.
#208. To: buckeroo (#207)
I am still attempting to find out what his jail sentence was. Alfauru helped most of the illegal aliens acquire fake IDs.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#209. To: buckeroo (#205)
NEWARK, New Jersey (CNN) -- Federal prosecutors charged a Jordanian man with participating in a fake ID ring that helped several September 11 hijackers obtain bogus driver's licenses and identification cards, prosecutors said Wednesday.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#210. To: buckeroo (#205)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#211. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, All (#205)
Hani Hanjour
Obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999 from the Federal Aviation Administration. The license expired six months later because he failed to complete a required medical exam. In 1996, he received flight training for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., but did not finish the course because his instructors thought he was not proficient enough. He listed his address as a post office box in Taife, Saudi Arabia, but he also has been linked to addresses in San Diego and Hollywood, Fla. His name was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#212. To: FormerLurker (#211)
Hanjour presented his Virginia driver's license when he purchased his plane ticket on August 31 from a New Jersey travel agent.
#213. To: FormerLurker (#204)
I don't need to prove a negative.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#214. To: buckeroo (#212)
Hanjour presented his Virginia driver's license when he purchased his plane ticket on August 31 from a New Jersey travel agent.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#215. To: FormerLurker (#214)
I find the Washington Post more credible than you
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#216. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#214)
I find the Washington Post more credible than you and your government handlers.
#217. To: buckeroo, ALL (#216)
XV. SEARCH EVIDENCE
At approximately 3:45 PM, on 09/12/01, WFO was notified by the Dulles Airport police
that a suspicious vehicle was found at Dulles International Airport (IAD), Hourly Lot, Row G,
Dulles, Virginia. A vehicle record check determined that the vehicle was registered to NAWAF
AL-HAZMI, of 8451 Mount Vernon Avenue, Lemon Grove, California, 91945. A search
warrant was approved for the 1988 4-door blue Toyota Corolla, CA 3JFZ283, VIN
#JT2AE92E9J313137546. Items seized include the following:
1) An hourly parking ticket dated and stamped 09/11/01 7:25 AM
2) Four (4) color diagrams of an instrument panel for a B757 aircraft
3) One yellow and black utility knife (box cutter)
4) One Pan Am International Flight Academy, Jet Tech International, Phoenix, AZ,
identification card in the name of HANI HANJOUR
5) A cashier's check to the Flight Academy in the amount of $5745 from HANJOUR.
6) A travel itinerary for seats 13 A and 13B for KHALID AL-MIHDHAR and MAJED
MOQED on AA Flight 77
Law Enforcement Sensitive
JICI 04/19/02 FBI03116
Law Enforcement Sensitive.
7) A piece of paper with the name "Osama 5895316"
8) Packing slip of package sent by Rawf Al Dog, 1565 Washington Boulevard, #8, Laurel,
Maryland through Mail Boxes, Etc. via U.S. Mail Express, to the United Arab Emirates
'_. on 09/10/01 at 6:57 AM
9) . • A checkbook with partially written checks with an account name of NAWAF AL
HAZMI, 96 Linwood Plaza, #417, Fort Lee, NJ, from Hudson United Bank, Levittown,
PA, account#3980999775
10) One Maryland Motor Vehicle receipt for new identification card #H526298757675, dated
09/5/01 at 12:17 PM, with a handwritten address on the back of "505, 14800 4th Street,
Laurel, Maryland, 20707"
11) ATM receipt from First Union Bank of a deposit to account #1010042788049 for
$120.00 on 09/10/01.
2) Not have left every single piece of evidence in the car he left, sitting in the parking garage at the airport he would never return to. He may as well just have painted his car with big red letters "I AM THE HIJACKER.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#218. To: FormerLurker (#217)
(Edited)
Talk about a perfect yet obvious setup.
Osama Awadallah San Diego, California Jordanian originally suspected of giving support to 9/11 hijacker Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. However to date, the only charges filed have been lying to a Federal Grand Jury saying he did not know hijacker Almihdar.
#219. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, ALL (#216)
9/11/2001
HANJOUR boarded American Airlines Flight 77 at Dulles International
Airport, Washington, DC, seat IB.
[American Airlines manifest; Dulles security video tapes]
The actual Hani Hanjour
The alleged "Hanjour" at Dulles International Airport on 9/11/2001,
Note: The actual date is uncertain, as there is no timestamp on the video the image was captured from.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#220. To: buckeroo (#218)
You deny hardcore evidence
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#221. To: FormerLurker (#220)
#222. To: buckeroo (#221)
I provided the AA77 manifest.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#223. To: FormerLurker (#222)
You provided an ALLEGED manifest, which is different than the one reviewed by the Washington Post.
#224. To: FormerLurker (#222)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#225. To: buckeroo (#223)
Nope... FACTUAL and from American Airlines.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#226. To: James Deffenbach (#224)
Does it really matter what buck has produced or not produced? Didn't ALL of Hanjours/Hanjoors flight instructors say he was a piss-poor pilot and that he could barely fly a Cessna?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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