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Post Date: 2010-08-01 09:57:39 by Eric Stratton
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What I would suggest is to start a thread on the subject of 911 coincidences and explain in the header essay what you are looking for i.e., "coincidences" that are not arcane and that can be communicated simply to raw public.
Poster Comment: Per OI's suggestion, that is what I've undertaken. I have come to the conclusion that the final nails into the coffin of our Republic are being conducted with neocons holding the hammer, willfully and gleefully as our Republik more than slowly becomes a totalitarian state on steroids. I have also come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is primarily for lack of serious personal investigation, willful negligence and ignorance in essence, as the reasons why they believe the official Fairy Tale. They've never seriously looked into the matter, only superficially, and they've been driven by how their political "heroes" in the GOP have responded to the "twoofers;" Lameblow, Hammity, Palin, Junior, Cheney, etc., etc. Granted, now Hussein is in office and they are blaming his cadre of people for merely continuing on in the BuchCo. legacy, but nevertheless, it is driven primarily by support for "national security," which we all here realize is really "federal government and NWO elite security," and which is all spun off of this notion that there are terrorists lurking around every street corner waiting to blow us all up when if that were even remotely true it'd have been done a thousand times already since 9/11. Instead, it's only happened a statistically insignificant number of times. It's clear that they're never going to spend as much time researching this as we all do here. After all, they have socials and far more important things to attend to and investments to take care of so that they can all retire when they're 50-years old and play golf five days a week until they die and therefore cannot be inconvenienced to actually consider why they may be lucky to have a set of clubs in five years and access to a course. So what I thought I would do is attempt to piece together a list of between 20 and 50 items that can be read within say a half-hour and that when considered individually really give cause for people to wonder about it all. 9/11 that is. But that when taken collectively, make them only ask "how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?" Obviously no one can force another to look, but what can be done is to make the top 20-50 points very easy to access and point out and ingest within a short period of time. This should be a "Reader's Digest" Short-list version if you will. Do I think that this is going to be the difference? No. I think that our Republic is toast in a major way regardless with much pain and suffering on the immediate horizon. But I also think that there's a very small window, and ever diminishing one, wherein which if all goes perfectly, perhaps there is at least a degree of hope, and God willing. If anyone has seen exactly this, please post the link. I have not. I have seen numerous lists that have many items, often "arcane" ones as OI states above. I know that there are also thousands of data points as well, hence the effort. If these points have blatant video evidence or irrefutable eye witness testimony from indisputable sources it would be good. Otherwise, simple logical "impossibilities" are also good. They should include the points that are the "biggest bang for the buck." I also know that many "financial coincidences" also fit the bill. I thought we could brainstorm this together. I will keep a "top-50" list, and anyone else can feel free to do the same obviously. But I thought a concentrated thread wherein only such data points are included and discussion related to them. It would be good to limit the thread to only that to avoid unnecessary clutter in a thread that will probably end up being quite large. Thoughts? Already been done? (Where?)
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#6. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Oh no.... not another TWOOFER_FAERIE™ thread!
Arguing with them is like playing "Whack A Mole." Hit them on one point in one place, they pop up out of another hole in another place. Still want to know why
what we really want to know is what is on all those videos from around the pentagon that were confiscated, what is the liar movement trying to hide?
@45 ... there is LIVE footage showing thousands of Pentagon workers looking at the disaster.
Where are the videos of the approach and the impact? Oh, and what evidence is there that Hani Hanjour flew that aircraft?
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Oh, and what evidence is there that Hani Hanjour flew that aircraft? ? DO you know of any evidence indicating Hani Hanjour was onboard that aircraft, and that he took control of the plane and flew it from Ohio to Washington DC?
Yes.
You: Yes. Post it then, with a credible source. By evidence, I mean something like proof that he checked in, or perhaps even bought a ticket for the flight.
By evidence, I mean something like proof that he checked in, or perhaps even bought a ticket for the flight. Sure. Here is the link to FLT77's official passenger list. You can click on it.
Well lookie here, the original news reports stated that Hanjour didn't show up on the flight manifest since he might not have had a ticket.... From The Washington Post
But, I already told you in an earlier post: I don't care about the Washington Post article, often newspapers reports are based on misinterpretation.
I don't care about the Washington Post article, often newspapers reports are based on misinterpretation. And I don't care what some character called buckeroo has to say, I find the Washington Post more credible than you and your government handlers.
? Here is another pdf of Hanjour (based on the FBI)... eat your heart. By the way, Hanjour's helpers were one way or another indicted; many of whom admitted GUILTY.
Talk about a perfect yet obvious setup. If a real person had done what Hanjour is said to have done, he at least would have done one or both of two things; 1) Left a note or a video informing the world of what he did and why he did it. The "box cutters" and the "four color diagrams of a 757 instrument panel" are just a bit much. In reality, he would have either made it difficult for law enforcment to find out who he was, OR announced that he was in fact the hijacker, and would have explained why he and his pals did it. Is this document authentic, or was it provided by a writer?
Per Rule #19 of "25 Rules of Disinformation."
That's all you do here is wave your arms and repeat the same crap over and over again. I WAS considering whatever "evidence" there is out there, and so far it doesn't look like the Hani Hanjour in the color photo is the same person as the "Hani Hanjour" at Dulles International Airport. There IS no record of him actually boarding the plane is there. And the Washington Post obviously DID see a different manifest than what is out there on the Internet, since Hanjour's name wasn't on it.
My postings - and buck's even more so - have specific facts backed by hundreds of pages of specific documentation. Yours have allegations and attempts to pick apart minutiae of the postings either of us cites, which eventually can be summarized as "I don't want to believe that, this is how it should have or did happen because that's what appeals to me."
Your "facts" many times are NOT facts, simply allegations, along with a highly flawed account of why and how the attacks the took place, oftentimes based upon improbabilities and impossible events.. Hanjour could not fly a simple propeller powered airplane. He never flew a jet aircraft. Yet you want people to believe he defeated the laws of aerodynamics by flying a Boeing 757 jumbo feet 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph. You must think people are pretty stupid.
It's quite a telling indicator of desparation to keep selectively quoting the same people who explicitly say he was more than qualified to be a hijacker not interested in surviving. I understand that's all you have left. And he didn't have to. He flew simulators which according to the FAA are valid substitutes and allow you to become fully prepared for a type certification check ride. You don't know jack $hit about the laws of aerodynamics and you never have demonstrated knowledge of even one detail. It has been me who introduced the concept of ground effect on these threads, and you have misinterpreted that concept into oblivion without understanding it in the least. I have repeately told you it is possible to figure out what a passenger aircraft can and can't do by using a simulator to test maneuvers. The response from you has been (((((crickets)))). Nothing. You're full of it and fighting a rear guard retreat as you get debunked on one item "Hanjour was never licensed ever" to another "Hanjour's 1/2 G turn 46 fps descent was a fighter pilot maneuver." Pathetic and attempting to save face after demonstrating you know nothing, and can not support any explanation that's coherent.
Wrong. He never flew a jet aircraft of any type, and did NOT do well on the 737 simulator he was paying to play with. He often skipped class, didn't do his homework, and totally sucked in terms of basic flight skills. He could no more fly a Boeing 757 than the average person off the street could with no experience at all.
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#13. To: buckeroo (#6)
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Oh no.... not another TWOOFER_FAERIE™ thread!
(1) A 1/2 G turn is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills" when student pilots must do 2G turns to get licensed and fighter pilots regularly pull 8+ G's,
Nyuk, nyuk.
(2) Descending at 46.667 feet per second or 31.818 miles per hour is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills," when you descend faster than that on a roller coaster,
(3) How an aircraft controller trying to track a plane with its transponder off, and which completely disappears from the radar screen half way through its descending turn, is able to accurately describe the completed turn as a "precision turn" when the ATC doesn't even see the last half of the turn
#130. To: AGAviator (#13)
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#132. To: IRTorqued (#130)
what we really want to know is what is on the video from around the pentagon that was confiscated, what is the liar movement trying to hide?
#134. To: buckeroo, IRTorqued (#132)
@45 ... there is LIVE footage showing thousands of Pentagon workers looking at the disaster.
#135. To: FormerLurker (#134)
Oh, and what evidence is there that Hani Hanjour flew that aircraft?
#138. To: buckeroo (#135)
#200. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#138)
DO you know of any evidence indicating Hani Hanjour was onboard that aircraft [AAFLT77, flight from IAD to LAX (pushed back from Gate D26 at 08:09 AM and took off from Runway 30 at Dulles at 08:20 AM) on Tuesday September 11, 2001], and that he took control of the plane and flew it from Ohio to Washington DC?
#203. To: buckeroo, AGaviator, ALL (#200)
Me: DO you know of any evidence indicating Hani Hanjour was onboard that aircraft, and that he took control of the plane and flew it from Ohio to Washington DC?
#205. To: FormerLurker (#203)
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Post it then, with a credible source.
#211. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, All (#205)
Hani Hanjour
Obtained a commercial pilot's license in April 1999 from the Federal Aviation Administration. The license expired six months later because he failed to complete a required medical exam. In 1996, he received flight training for a few months at a private school in Scottsdale, Ariz., but did not finish the course because his instructors thought he was not proficient enough. He listed his address as a post office box in Taife, Saudi Arabia, but he also has been linked to addresses in San Diego and Hollywood, Fla. His name was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket.
#212. To: FormerLurker (#211)
Hanjour presented his Virginia driver's license when he purchased his plane ticket on August 31 from a New Jersey travel agent.
#214. To: buckeroo (#212)
Hanjour presented his Virginia driver's license when he purchased his plane ticket on August 31 from a New Jersey travel agent.
#216. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#214)
I find the Washington Post more credible than you and your government handlers.
#217. To: buckeroo, ALL (#216)
XV. SEARCH EVIDENCE
At approximately 3:45 PM, on 09/12/01, WFO was notified by the Dulles Airport police
that a suspicious vehicle was found at Dulles International Airport (IAD), Hourly Lot, Row G,
Dulles, Virginia. A vehicle record check determined that the vehicle was registered to NAWAF
AL-HAZMI, of 8451 Mount Vernon Avenue, Lemon Grove, California, 91945. A search
warrant was approved for the 1988 4-door blue Toyota Corolla, CA 3JFZ283, VIN
#JT2AE92E9J313137546. Items seized include the following:
1) An hourly parking ticket dated and stamped 09/11/01 7:25 AM
2) Four (4) color diagrams of an instrument panel for a B757 aircraft
3) One yellow and black utility knife (box cutter)
4) One Pan Am International Flight Academy, Jet Tech International, Phoenix, AZ,
identification card in the name of HANI HANJOUR
5) A cashier's check to the Flight Academy in the amount of $5745 from HANJOUR.
6) A travel itinerary for seats 13 A and 13B for KHALID AL-MIHDHAR and MAJED
MOQED on AA Flight 77
Law Enforcement Sensitive
JICI 04/19/02 FBI03116
Law Enforcement Sensitive.
7) A piece of paper with the name "Osama 5895316"
8) Packing slip of package sent by Rawf Al Dog, 1565 Washington Boulevard, #8, Laurel,
Maryland through Mail Boxes, Etc. via U.S. Mail Express, to the United Arab Emirates
'_. on 09/10/01 at 6:57 AM
9) . • A checkbook with partially written checks with an account name of NAWAF AL
HAZMI, 96 Linwood Plaza, #417, Fort Lee, NJ, from Hudson United Bank, Levittown,
PA, account#3980999775
10) One Maryland Motor Vehicle receipt for new identification card #H526298757675, dated
09/5/01 at 12:17 PM, with a handwritten address on the back of "505, 14800 4th Street,
Laurel, Maryland, 20707"
11) ATM receipt from First Union Bank of a deposit to account #1010042788049 for
$120.00 on 09/10/01.
2) Not have left every single piece of evidence in the car he left, sitting in the parking garage at the airport he would never return to. He may as well just have painted his car with big red letters "I AM THE HIJACKER.
#228. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo, turtle (#217)
Talk about a perfect yet obvious setup.
If a real person had done what Hanjour is said to have done,
More arm-waving by someone who doesn't wish to consider factual evidence that overthrows preconceived conclusions. What would the problem of deferring all PR announcements to Osama Bin Laden, who would be far better prepared to give them, instead of trying to commander the media communication by himself?
1) Left a note or a video
2) Not have left every single piece of evidence in the car he left
The "box cutters" and the "four color diagrams of a 757 instrument panel" are just a bit much.
In reality, he would have either made it difficult for law enforcment to find out who he was, OR announced that he was in fact the hijacker
Is this document authentic, or was it provided by a writer? 19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
#232. To: AGAviator (#228)
More arm-waving by someone who doesn't wish to consider factual evidence that overthrows preconceived conclusions.
#234. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#232)
That's all you do here is wave your arms and repeat the same crap over and over again.
#236. To: AGAviator (#234)
My postings - and buck's even more so - have specific facts backed by hundreds of pages of specific documentation.
#237. To: FormerLurker (#236)
Hanjour could not fly a simple propeller powered airplane. Hanjour got a license for a single engine airplane and a multi engine airplane. You choose to cherry pick statements by the same people who explicitly said Hanjour was completely capable of flying an aircraft from Point A to Point B then crashing the plane into Point B.
He never flew a jet aircraft.
Yet you want people to believe he defeated the laws of aerodynamics by flying a Boeing 757 jumbo feet 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph.
#239. To: AGAviator (#237)
And he didn't have to. He flew simulators which according to the FAA are valid substitutes and allow you to become fully prepared for a type certification check ride.
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