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Post Date: 2010-08-01 09:57:39 by Eric Stratton
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What I would suggest is to start a thread on the subject of 911 coincidences and explain in the header essay what you are looking for i.e., "coincidences" that are not arcane and that can be communicated simply to raw public.


Poster Comment:

Per OI's suggestion, that is what I've undertaken.

I have come to the conclusion that the final nails into the coffin of our Republic are being conducted with neocons holding the hammer, willfully and gleefully as our Republik more than slowly becomes a totalitarian state on steroids. I have also come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is primarily for lack of serious personal investigation, willful negligence and ignorance in essence, as the reasons why they believe the official Fairy Tale. They've never seriously looked into the matter, only superficially, and they've been driven by how their political "heroes" in the GOP have responded to the "twoofers;" Lameblow, Hammity, Palin, Junior, Cheney, etc., etc.

Granted, now Hussein is in office and they are blaming his cadre of people for merely continuing on in the BuchCo. legacy, but nevertheless, it is driven primarily by support for "national security," which we all here realize is really "federal government and NWO elite security," and which is all spun off of this notion that there are terrorists lurking around every street corner waiting to blow us all up when if that were even remotely true it'd have been done a thousand times already since 9/11. Instead, it's only happened a statistically insignificant number of times.

It's clear that they're never going to spend as much time researching this as we all do here. After all, they have socials and far more important things to attend to and investments to take care of so that they can all retire when they're 50-years old and play golf five days a week until they die and therefore cannot be inconvenienced to actually consider why they may be lucky to have a set of clubs in five years and access to a course.

So what I thought I would do is attempt to piece together a list of between 20 and 50 items that can be read within say a half-hour and that when considered individually really give cause for people to wonder about it all. 9/11 that is. But that when taken collectively, make them only ask "how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?" Obviously no one can force another to look, but what can be done is to make the top 20-50 points very easy to access and point out and ingest within a short period of time.

This should be a "Reader's Digest" Short-list version if you will.

Do I think that this is going to be the difference? No. I think that our Republic is toast in a major way regardless with much pain and suffering on the immediate horizon. But I also think that there's a very small window, and ever diminishing one, wherein which if all goes perfectly, perhaps there is at least a degree of hope, and God willing.

If anyone has seen exactly this, please post the link. I have not. I have seen numerous lists that have many items, often "arcane" ones as OI states above. I know that there are also thousands of data points as well, hence the effort.

If these points have blatant video evidence or irrefutable eye witness testimony from indisputable sources it would be good. Otherwise, simple logical "impossibilities" are also good. They should include the points that are the "biggest bang for the buck." I also know that many "financial coincidences" also fit the bill.

I thought we could brainstorm this together. I will keep a "top-50" list, and anyone else can feel free to do the same obviously.

But I thought a concentrated thread wherein only such data points are included and discussion related to them. It would be good to limit the thread to only that to avoid unnecessary clutter in a thread that will probably end up being quite large.

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#6. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

"how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?"

Oh no.... not another TWOOFER_FAERIE thread!

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   11:11:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#6) (Edited)

Oh no.... not another TWOOFER_FAERIE™ thread!

Arguing with them is like playing "Whack A Mole."

Hit them on one point in one place, they pop up out of another hole in another place.

Still want to know why

(1) A 1/2 G turn is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills" when student pilots must do 2G turns to get licensed and fighter pilots regularly pull 8+ G's,
(2) Descending at 46.667 feet per second or 31.818 miles per hour is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills," when you descend faster than that on a roller coaster,
(3) How an aircraft controller trying to track a plane with its transponder off, and which completely disappears from the radar screen half way through its descending turn, is able to accurately describe the completed turn as a "precision turn" when the ATC doesn't even see the last half of the turn
Nyuk, nyuk.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   15:47:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: AGAviator, christine (#13)

Well Curly - as per your usual you are applying "Disinformation For Dummies". Too bad every one here has a higher I.Q. than you.

Other than that I will not dignify your attempt to derail the thread by recreating the same old false argument which has been refuted now on multiple occasions.

I would ask you to have the manners and grace to delete the post or for christine to remove it as inappropriate to the thread, and its intent. If you want to start a "911 Official Spin for Dummies" thread please feel free. However I suspect you know what it would attract - either genuine dummies or refutations which you are incapable of countering.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-01   15:55:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, turtle (#15) (Edited)

Well Curly - as per your usual you are applying "Disinformation For Dummies". Too bad every one here has a higher I.Q. than you.

Then you and your windbaggy ***High IQ*** shouldn't have any problem answering my heretofore unanswered 3 questions, just for starters.

Still want to know why

(1) A 1/2 G turn is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills" when student pilots must do 2G turns to get licensed and fighter pilots regularly pull 8+ G's,
(2) Descending at 46.667 feet per second or 31.818 miles per hour is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills," when you descend faster than that on a roller coaster,
(3) How an aircraft controller trying to track a plane with its transponder off, and which completely disappears from the radar screen half way through its descending turn, is able to accurately describe the completed turn as a "precision turn" when the ATC doesn't even see the last half of the turn
Nyuk, nyuk.

After we get done with that, we will review your flagrant hyprocrisy citing the "25 Rules of Disinformation" when you systematically violate every single one yourself.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   16:25:45 ET  (3 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, turtle, ALL (#17)

How an aircraft controller trying to track a plane with its transponder off, and which completely disappears from the radar screen half way through its descending turn, is able to accurately describe the completed turn as a "precision turn" when the ATC doesn't even see the last half of the turn

The transponder simply gives off the plane's identification, speed, and altitude. The radar still sees the aircraft as a blip however.

Thing is, the aircraft disappeared off radar near the Ohio border. That shouldn't be possible, since the aircraft should still be visible even without the transponder..

THEN 20 minutes later an aircraft appeared on radar south of Washington DC, with no transponder, but whatever it was they could see on radar is what apparently struck the Pentagon.

So it may well NOT have been Flight 77...

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   16:52:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker (#18)

The transponder simply gives off the plane's identification, speed, and altitude. The radar still sees the aircraft as a blip however.

A much fainter blip, hard to distinguish between clutter and the clear strong signals of aircraft with transponders working.

And no ID or altitude.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   17:53:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: AGAviator, ALL (#23) (Edited)

A much fainter blip, hard to distinguish between clutter and the clear strong signals of aircraft with transponders working.

And no ID or altitude.

So apparently after losing the transponder info while the aircraft was nearing Ohio, it passed through an area which had no primary radar coverage. Either that is a crock, or it was an area which was known to the FAA not to have radar coverage. Would 19 "ragheads" who attacked us because "they hated our freedoms" have known that?

From the 9/11 Commission Report;

140. John Thomas interview (Sept. 24, 2003).According to the FAA-produced timeline, at 9:09 Indianapolis Center “notified Great Lakes Regional Operations Center a possible aircraft accident of AMERICAN 77 due to the simultaneous loss of radio communications and radar identification.”FAA report,“Summary of AirTraffic Hijack Events September 11, 2001,” Sept. 17, 2001.

141. FAA audio file, Herndon Command Center, National Operations Manager position, line 4525;FAA audio file,Herndon Command Center, National Traffic Management Officer east position, line 4530; FAA memo,“Full Transcription; Air Traffic Control System Command Center,National Traffic Management Officer, East Position; September 11, 2001,” Oct. 21, 2003, p. 13.

142. Primary radar contact for Flight 77 was lost because the “preferred” radar in this geographic area had no primary radar system, the “supplemental” radar had poor primary coverage, and the FAA ATC software did not allow the display of primary radar data from the “tertiary” and “quadrary” radars.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   19:03:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#34)

Would 19 "ragheads" who attacked us because "they hated our freedoms" have known that?

So you agree with Bush while claiming to oppose him.

OBL October 2004 TV Transcript

Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom -- let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?"

It is known that those who hate freedom don't have souls with integrity, like the souls of those 19. May the mercy of God be upon them.

We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you.

I wonder about you. Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   19:52:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: AGAviator (#44)

OBL October 2004 TV Transcript

LOL, what does that fake vid of bin Laden have to do with those "hijackers", some of whom are still alive, knowing where an aircraft would be virtually invisible due to lack of primary FAA radar in that particular area?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   20:56:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: FormerLurker (#67)

LOL, what does that fake vid of bin Laden have to do with those "hijackers",

Other than you with zero substantiation, who says it's fake...

Bin Ladin in October 2004 was telling the US on international TV that if it continued its path, it would be facing bankruptcy.

Now going on 6 years later, the US is facing war costs exceeding $1 Trillion with no end in sight, and is looking at bankruptcty.

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   21:05:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: AGAviator (#69)

Now going on 6 years later, the US is facing war costs exceeding $1 Trillion with no end in sight, and is looking at bankruptcty.

And what was the purpose of the war in Iraq?

BTW, why do you think the hijackers decided to take over Flight 77 just as it entered an area where primary radar was not available?

Hmmm, let me think. Perhaps so they could pull a SWITCHEROO between the real Flight 77 and some other aircraft, eh?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:12:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#76)

Hey there, FL...wanna rassle?!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01   21:15:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Mudboy Slim (#79)

What's up Mudboy, haven't seen you around here for quite some time.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:17:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: FormerLurker, Mudboy Slim (#81)

They let anyone in here...

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-01   21:18:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#88. To: wudidiz (#84) (Edited)

I'm often described as a serial abuser of the first amendment, mi amigo...MUD

BTW...Sultan88 ROCKS!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01 21:22:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: wudidiz (#84)

"I ran out of smart sounding quotes..."

Do like me and just assume everything you say is wise and the rest of the krap just sorta falls into place...MUD

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01 21:28:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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