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Post Date: 2010-08-01 09:57:39 by Eric Stratton
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What I would suggest is to start a thread on the subject of 911 coincidences and explain in the header essay what you are looking for i.e., "coincidences" that are not arcane and that can be communicated simply to raw public.


Poster Comment:

Per OI's suggestion, that is what I've undertaken.

I have come to the conclusion that the final nails into the coffin of our Republic are being conducted with neocons holding the hammer, willfully and gleefully as our Republik more than slowly becomes a totalitarian state on steroids. I have also come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is primarily for lack of serious personal investigation, willful negligence and ignorance in essence, as the reasons why they believe the official Fairy Tale. They've never seriously looked into the matter, only superficially, and they've been driven by how their political "heroes" in the GOP have responded to the "twoofers;" Lameblow, Hammity, Palin, Junior, Cheney, etc., etc.

Granted, now Hussein is in office and they are blaming his cadre of people for merely continuing on in the BuchCo. legacy, but nevertheless, it is driven primarily by support for "national security," which we all here realize is really "federal government and NWO elite security," and which is all spun off of this notion that there are terrorists lurking around every street corner waiting to blow us all up when if that were even remotely true it'd have been done a thousand times already since 9/11. Instead, it's only happened a statistically insignificant number of times.

It's clear that they're never going to spend as much time researching this as we all do here. After all, they have socials and far more important things to attend to and investments to take care of so that they can all retire when they're 50-years old and play golf five days a week until they die and therefore cannot be inconvenienced to actually consider why they may be lucky to have a set of clubs in five years and access to a course.

So what I thought I would do is attempt to piece together a list of between 20 and 50 items that can be read within say a half-hour and that when considered individually really give cause for people to wonder about it all. 9/11 that is. But that when taken collectively, make them only ask "how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?" Obviously no one can force another to look, but what can be done is to make the top 20-50 points very easy to access and point out and ingest within a short period of time.

This should be a "Reader's Digest" Short-list version if you will.

Do I think that this is going to be the difference? No. I think that our Republic is toast in a major way regardless with much pain and suffering on the immediate horizon. But I also think that there's a very small window, and ever diminishing one, wherein which if all goes perfectly, perhaps there is at least a degree of hope, and God willing.

If anyone has seen exactly this, please post the link. I have not. I have seen numerous lists that have many items, often "arcane" ones as OI states above. I know that there are also thousands of data points as well, hence the effort.

If these points have blatant video evidence or irrefutable eye witness testimony from indisputable sources it would be good. Otherwise, simple logical "impossibilities" are also good. They should include the points that are the "biggest bang for the buck." I also know that many "financial coincidences" also fit the bill.

I thought we could brainstorm this together. I will keep a "top-50" list, and anyone else can feel free to do the same obviously.

But I thought a concentrated thread wherein only such data points are included and discussion related to them. It would be good to limit the thread to only that to avoid unnecessary clutter in a thread that will probably end up being quite large.

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#88. To: wudidiz (#84) (Edited)

I'm often described as a serial abuser of the first amendment, mi amigo...MUD

BTW...Sultan88 ROCKS!!

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01   21:22:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: AGAviator, ALL (#73)

a bunch of gaybanter circle jerk remarks

There you go, back to YOUR gaybanter again. You are the one who starts these things, that and your little puppy bucko. Then you both start crying little girl tears when people respond in kind, posting pages and pages of inane ad hominem junk, muddying up the thread, then say it was "incredible" and you "refuted" everything that was presented in terms of facts.

No, all you did was show how incredibly dumb and dishonest you are.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:23:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: FormerLurker, christine, Jethro Tull (#81)

"...haven't seen you around here for quite some time."

Yeah, ownership's been FREEEEEEZING all my best threads...U know how it is when ya gotta fight TheMan at every turn...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01   21:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: AGAviator, All (#85)

There are no areas where "primary radar is not available" when transponders are transmitting.

I mean when the transponder ISN'T transmitting. That's what the 9/11 Commission listed as the reason the FAA couldn't track Flight 77 as it flew into Ohio, as shortly after the transponder was turned off, the primary return disappeared from radar.

It was explained as a lack of primary radar capabilities in that area.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Mudboy Slim (#87)

that's not the way to approach the truth...please ping me to the thread in question and i will examine the evidence and render a final verdict

ROTFL ... a final verdict? .... the thread we are talking about freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...gi?ArtNum=120727&Disp=All went for 1200 posts before being locked.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   21:27:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: wudidiz (#84)

"I ran out of smart sounding quotes..."

Do like me and just assume everything you say is wise and the rest of the krap just sorta falls into place...MUD

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01   21:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Eric Stratton (#43)

PS Perhaps you and Agitator can do the rest of us a favor and dispense with your guys' sociopathic tendencies here, honor our requests, and let us kooks discuss this without your or his romper room interference please?

Surely other sites are sorely in need of Aggravators and Buck's limitless supply of wisdumb. They have already shared too much of it here and should go where their "stellar" buffoonery will be appreciated.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-01   21:28:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: buckeroo (#83)

You eventually admitted you were wrong (as usual)....

Asking for proof isn't "being wrong", and since you and AgAviator weren't posting the proof, I assumed it didn't exist. So ok, there is proof that Hanjour had an actual FAA license (although ALL indications point to the fact he SHOULDN'T have had one).

You take a molehill and try to make a mountain out of it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:29:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: buckeroo (#92)

ROTFL...I figgered you'd appreciate the irony, dude...I recall back when you usedta have a helluva sense of humor...mud

Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!

Mudboy Slim  posted on  2010-08-01   21:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Amandil (#71)

this same crap is happening all over the internet - 2-3 posts by real people asking reasonable questions and/or offering info bits, only to be invaded by these ? whatever they are distracting everything, sometimes paid shills i think,sometimes just assholes, I met a few of them in RL - they laugh and brag about disrupting forums, it's a hobby for them ~ good luck finding/creating a place free from their garabage

Exactly, a combination of shills and morons. The Shills and their masters very much do not like We The People holding forth in an intelligent exchange because that is the enemy of propaganda.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-01   21:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#95)

You take a molehill and try to make a mountain out of it.

That is because all he has is molehills. He has made one point stand while a hundred have fallen. His fragile ego can't handle it, and his fixed ideas won't let him change his "mind".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-01   21:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Original_Intent (#98)

His fragile ego can't handle it, and his fixed ideas won't let him change his "mind".

Such as it is.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-01   21:33:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: James Deffenbach, Eric Stratton (#94)

PS Perhaps you and Agitator can do the rest of us a favor and dispense with your guys' sociopathic tendencies here, honor our requests, and let us kooks discuss this without your or his romper room interference please?

Surely other sites are sorely in need of Aggravators and Buck's limitless supply of wisdumb. They have already shared too much of it here and should go where their "stellar" buffoonery will be appreciated.

Freeptardia and Defective Underground?

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-01   21:34:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: FormerLurker (#95)

Asking for proof isn't "being wrong"

Agreed.

and since you and AgAviator weren't posting the proof, I assumed it didn't exist.

I know. That is PROOF you can't perform your own research which substantiates my earlier post.

So ok, there is proof that Hanjour had an actual FAA license (although ALL indications point to the fact he SHOULDN'T have had one).

And that same certification PROVES, that Hanjour was trained to some extent to slam a jet into a building.

It is easy to come clean, FL... you are among friends looking for truth.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   21:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: James Deffenbach, wudidiz (#99)

LOL! (And I nailed "100" without even trying - eat your heart out wud.)

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-01   21:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#89)

There you go, back to YOUR gaybanter again. You are the one who starts these things, that and your little puppy bucko. Then you both start crying little girl tears when people respond in kind, posting pages and pages of inane ad hominem junk, muddying up the thread, then say it was "incredible" and you "refuted" everything that was presented in terms of facts.

The thread history, which is clearly time and date stamped by poster, puts the lie to your false claims.

Then you both start crying little girl tears when people respond in kind,

That's why your cohorts are complaining buck & show up here to reply to your behind-the-backs, hopeless liar.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   21:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Original_Intent (#100)

Freeptardia and Defective Underground?

Those are good choices for them.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-01   21:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, AGAviator, ALL (#98)

His fragile ego can't handle it, and his fixed ideas won't let him change his "mind".

There certainly has to be SOME reason why buck ignores all physical and cimcumstantial evidence, and makes up his own laws of physics.

BTW, has either of them explained why Hani Hanjour is listed as the Flight 77 hijacker who flew the aircraft from Ohio to Washington, then flew it into the Pentagton at 530 mph while flying 20 feet off the ground?

Have YOU ever seen any evidence indicating he was in fact the pilot of that aircraft?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: AGAviator (#103)

The thread history, which is clearly time and date stamped by poster, puts the lie to your false claims.

Ok, where on this thread have I posted any "gaybanter"?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:39:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: AGAviator (#103)

That's why your cohorts are complaining buck & show up here to reply to your behind-the-backs, hopeless liar.

Paranoid much, shillster?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#95)

You take a molehill and try to make a mountain out of it.

And exactly how many dozens of posts did you make flogging your claim that there was no license, your ***molehill?***

If you'd kept your remarks and their number within reason, you wouldn't have made such a ***crash landing*** when buck actually did post the documents showing you were completely full of it.

Unfortunately because you were so vicious and unrelenting in your attacks on someone for stating true facts, you came down pretty hard when proven wrong. That's no one's problem but yours.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   21:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#107)

Paranoid much, shillster?

Stating facts I can cite references to, projector.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   21:41:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: AGAviator (#103)

Man, you have patience with these folks... now the "gay" stuff again? Soon, they will remarck about the creams and jellies that have witnessed, just as the "conspiracy by the government."

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   21:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#106)

Ok, where on this thread have I posted any "gaybanter"?

The same place buck & I

"both start crying little girl tears when people respond in kind, posting pages and pages of inane ad hominem junk, muddying up the thread, then say it was "incredible" and you "refuted" everything that was presented in terms of facts"

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   21:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: buckeroo (#101)

And that same certification PROVES, that Hanjour was trained to some extent to slam a jet into a building.

No, it simply proves he was able to "buy" a license he wasn't qualified for. Additionally, it did not in any way "qualify" him to fly a jet, he NEVER flew a jet in his life, and he couldn't even fly a single engine propeller driven plane well enough to rent one.

Besides him basically being unable to fly at all, the fact that the aircraft is alleged to have flown 20 feet off the ground at 530 mph indicates that the pilot was sitting in a control room remotely piloting the aircraft, or that jet wasn't a 757. In fact, the damage to the Pentagon indicates it wasn't.

So, what evidence do you have that Hani Hanjour actually flew that plane? Why him, what evidence is there that he was even onboard that plane at all?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: AGAviator (#111)

The same place buck & I

"both start crying little girl tears when people respond in kind, posting pages and pages of inane ad hominem junk, muddying up the thread, then say it was "incredible" and you "refuted" everything that was presented in terms of facts"

Posting facts isn't "gaybanter".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: AGAviator (#108)

Unfortunately because you were so vicious and unrelenting in your attacks on someone for stating true facts, you came down pretty hard when proven wrong. That's no one's problem but yours.

Ah, the ole blame your victims of the crimes you have perpetrated against them trick, eh?

You didn't prove me wrong in ANYTHING, you simply repeat the same discredited claims over, and over, and over, declaring victory each time.

By the way, what evidence do you have that Hani Hanjour was the pilot of Flight 77 from Ohio to Washigton?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent (#105)

There certainly has to be SOME reason why buck ignores all physical and cimcumstantial evidence, and makes up his own laws of physics.

I remember O_I pulling a fast one on a thread.... something to the point, that he used his "differential equations" to PROVE that the WTC didn't pancake. He said something to the effect, "but that was years ago but I will look it up and reproduce it."

He never did. It was all HOT_AIRE as always. Yet, DEs aren't required to understand, F = MA and in conjunction with the FORCE of jet aircraft slamming into building we also have collaborative photographic information of "pancaking."

I have already posted a link @45.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   21:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: FormerLurker (#112)

No, it simply proves he was able to "buy" a license he wasn't qualified for.

Not true as always. It was an FAA licensed instructor signing his credentials. You have lied again.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   21:52:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: buckeroo (#115)

Yet, DEs aren't required to understand, F = MA and in conjunction with the FORCE of jet aircraft slamming into building we also have collaborative photographic information of "pancaking."

You have NO "photographic evidence" of pancaking. There is ABUNDENT EVIDENCE of the towers turning to dust however.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#113)

Posting facts isn't "gaybanter".

Then you got nothing to complain about when I call your so-called ***lady*** a Circle Jerk Fag Hag.

I can take the high road or the low road, it doesn't matter to me. You'll get back what you give.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   21:53:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: FormerLurker (#117)

No evidence of any pancakes but plenty of eyewitnesses who saw molten steel. And from office fires! Guess that was the syrup for the "pancakes."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-01   21:55:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: buckeroo (#116)

Not true as always. It was an FAA licensed instructor signing his credentials. You have lied again.

No idiot, EVERY flight instructor who delt with him reports that he was incompetent, could not perform basic manuevers, and even some of THEM questioned whether his "license" was a fake, since he basically couldn't fly at all.

So he had some FAA contractor sign off on his license, that in itself should be investigated as to how such an incompetent person can get both a private and a commercial FAA pilot's license.

It indicates our skies are filled with totally inept pilots, as basically anyone off the street can get one.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: FormerLurker (#117)

You have NO "photographic evidence" of pancaking.

Yes, I do. It was on TV as shown in video @45. The pancaking occurred because of the upper floors losing strength to support the mass. It all occurred at or near the impact of the planes.

There was no demolition.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   21:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: James Deffenbach (#119)

No evidence of any pancakes but plenty of eyewitnesses who saw molten steel. And from office fires! Guess that was the syrup for the "pancakes."

Yep, and the pulverized concrete was the "confectioners sugar".


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   21:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: FormerLurker (#122)

Yep, and the pulverized concrete was the "confectioners sugar".

That's be some nasty-@$$ed pancakes, wouldn't it? Molten steel for syrup and pulverized concrete to top it off. Or maybe they used the pulverized concrete to make the batter.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-01   22:00:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: FormerLurker (#120)

No idiot

Here we go again.... FL, cut the crap ... you can't refute the evidence (DOCUMENTED FROM THE FAA) and his own trainers.... you go on and on and on... attempting to disprove something that exists. You remind me of someone that pushes on a rope hoping it will become a straight and equilateral length in a unidirectional consistent with the same vector applied.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-01   22:00:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: buckeroo (#86)

What is important to point out is that Palestinians AND MUSLIMA around the world were doing their LA_LA_LA_LA all over Palestine IMMEDIATELY after the attacks. Complicity? Of course.

I think that was a staged deception by Israel's damage-control propaganda- meisters to turn attention away from the Dancing Israelis arrested here and onto Israel's designated enemies.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-01   22:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: buckeroo (#86)

What is important to point out is that Palestinians AND MUSLIMA around the world were doing their LA_LA_LA_LA all over Palestine IMMEDIATELY after the attacks. Complicity? Of course.

It's never occurred to them that 2 opposing sides can both want the same conflict for different reasons:

That is, each of thinks thinks their side will win in the end!

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-01   22:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: buckeroo (#45)

edit: view about 16:50 into this video.... the building pancaked beneath the downward force of structurally weakened upper floors based on the jet aircraft... there was no other explosions.

That certainly DOES NOT indicate "pancaking", it indicates that the bottom structure was being PULVERIZED ahead of the actual falling structure.

A real "pancaking" would have simply caused the floors to drop, leaving the center core and exterior columns intact. However, EVERYTHING was pulverized, except for the very bottom section of the center core, which then fell apart shortly after the initial collapse.

Additionally, due to the loss of mass (the top structure is seen being PULVERIZED), there would be less mass falling on lower floors, where the floors should have been able to handle the increased load, at least for a period of time. There is no pancaking involved, and your video doesn't prove what you claim.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-01   22:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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