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Post Date: 2010-08-01 09:57:39 by Eric Stratton
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What I would suggest is to start a thread on the subject of 911 coincidences and explain in the header essay what you are looking for i.e., "coincidences" that are not arcane and that can be communicated simply to raw public.
Poster Comment: Per OI's suggestion, that is what I've undertaken. I have come to the conclusion that the final nails into the coffin of our Republic are being conducted with neocons holding the hammer, willfully and gleefully as our Republik more than slowly becomes a totalitarian state on steroids. I have also come to the unfortunate conclusion that it is primarily for lack of serious personal investigation, willful negligence and ignorance in essence, as the reasons why they believe the official Fairy Tale. They've never seriously looked into the matter, only superficially, and they've been driven by how their political "heroes" in the GOP have responded to the "twoofers;" Lameblow, Hammity, Palin, Junior, Cheney, etc., etc. Granted, now Hussein is in office and they are blaming his cadre of people for merely continuing on in the BuchCo. legacy, but nevertheless, it is driven primarily by support for "national security," which we all here realize is really "federal government and NWO elite security," and which is all spun off of this notion that there are terrorists lurking around every street corner waiting to blow us all up when if that were even remotely true it'd have been done a thousand times already since 9/11. Instead, it's only happened a statistically insignificant number of times. It's clear that they're never going to spend as much time researching this as we all do here. After all, they have socials and far more important things to attend to and investments to take care of so that they can all retire when they're 50-years old and play golf five days a week until they die and therefore cannot be inconvenienced to actually consider why they may be lucky to have a set of clubs in five years and access to a course. So what I thought I would do is attempt to piece together a list of between 20 and 50 items that can be read within say a half-hour and that when considered individually really give cause for people to wonder about it all. 9/11 that is. But that when taken collectively, make them only ask "how can that all be if the Fairy Tale is actually true?" Obviously no one can force another to look, but what can be done is to make the top 20-50 points very easy to access and point out and ingest within a short period of time. This should be a "Reader's Digest" Short-list version if you will. Do I think that this is going to be the difference? No. I think that our Republic is toast in a major way regardless with much pain and suffering on the immediate horizon. But I also think that there's a very small window, and ever diminishing one, wherein which if all goes perfectly, perhaps there is at least a degree of hope, and God willing. If anyone has seen exactly this, please post the link. I have not. I have seen numerous lists that have many items, often "arcane" ones as OI states above. I know that there are also thousands of data points as well, hence the effort. If these points have blatant video evidence or irrefutable eye witness testimony from indisputable sources it would be good. Otherwise, simple logical "impossibilities" are also good. They should include the points that are the "biggest bang for the buck." I also know that many "financial coincidences" also fit the bill. I thought we could brainstorm this together. I will keep a "top-50" list, and anyone else can feel free to do the same obviously. But I thought a concentrated thread wherein only such data points are included and discussion related to them. It would be good to limit the thread to only that to avoid unnecessary clutter in a thread that will probably end up being quite large. Thoughts? Already been done? (Where?)
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#20. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#18)
Lots of money went into ATC upgrades after 9/11. He's probably playing dumb like he doesn't know anything about radar "dead zones" and other ATC problems at that time or like that data wasn't from the alleged FDR.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
http://whitts.alioth.net/Pageg7%20IFR%20Radio.htm: Be aware that in some areas and below certain altitudes communications and navigation ability can be lost. Oakland Flight Watch has a dead zone in the vicinity of Modesto.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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A much fainter blip, hard to distinguish between clutter and the clear strong signals of aircraft with transponders working. And no ID or altitude.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You mean like saying there were no moon landings, and calling Buzz Aldrin a "coward, liar, and a thief?"
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------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Here is a chronology of September 11, 2001 based on significant events. Where's the conspiracy? 9:03 a.m. United Airlines Flight 175 crashes into Two World Trade Center (south tower). 9:17 a.m. FAA closes NYC area airports. 9:21 a.m. NYC Port Authority closes all bridges and tunnels in NYC. 9:24 a.m. President Bush calls crashes "an apparent attack on our country". 9:32 a.m. New York Stock Exchange closed. 9:40 a.m. FAA orders all commercial flights grounded. 9:43 a.m. American Airlines Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon. (Note: other sources cite the crash at 9:37 and 9:45) 9:45 a.m. White House evacuated. 9:59 a.m. Two World Trade Center (south tower) collapses. (note: other souces cite the collapse at 10:03, 10:05, & 10:06) 10:00 a.m. United Airlines Flight 93 crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. (note: the crash happened slightly after 10 am, perhaps as late as 10:10 according to other sources) 10:10 a.m. Portion of the Pentagon collapses. 10:13 a.m. United Nations building evacuates. 10:22 a.m. State and Justice Departments, and World Bank, evacuated in Washington DC. 10:24 a.m. FAA reroutes inbound transatlantic flights to land in Canada. 10:28 a.m. One World Trade Center (north tower) collapses. 10:45 a.m. All federal office buildings in Washington DC evacuated. 10:48 a.m. Police confirm Pennsylvania plane crash. 10:53 a.m. New York's primary elections postponed. 10:54 a.m. Israel evacuates diplomatic missions. 10:57 a.m. NY Gov. Pataki announces closure of all state government offices. 11:02 a.m. Mayor Giuliani urges New Yorkers to stay at home and orders an evacuation of the area south of Canal Street 12:04 p.m. Los Angeles International Airport evacuated. 12:15 p.m. San Francisco International Airport evacuated. 12:15 p.m. US closes some Canada and Mexico border crossings. 1:02 p.m. NY Mayor Giuliani evacuates Manhattan south of Canal Street. 1:04 p.m. President Bush says: "Make no mistake, the United States will hunt down and punish those responsible for these cowardly acts." (note: other sources cite this at 12:36) 1:27 p.m. Washington DC declares state of emergency in the city. 2:30 p.m. FAA announces suspension of US commercial air traffic until noon EST Wednesday 9/12/01. 4:00 p.m. CNN National Security Correspondent David Ensor reports there are indications that Osama bin Laden is involved in attacks. 4:10 p.m. Seven World Trade Center reported to be on fire. 4:25 p.m. American Stock Exchange, Nasdaq, and New York Stock Exchange announce they will be closed Wednesday, 9/12. 4:45 p.m. City of New York announces that 200 firefighters and 78 police officers are missing.(Note: according to other sources, at 7:45 pm the New York Police department announced that at least 78 police officers were missing and that as many as half (200) of the first firefighters at the scene had been killed.) 5:20 p.m. Seven World Trade Center building collapses. 5:30 p.m. Explosions reported in Kabul, Afghanistan. (note: other sources cite this for 6 pm) 6:40 p.m. Press conference by US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld from the Pentagon. 6:45 p.m. President Bush arrives at the White House. (note: other sources say he arrived at 6:54) 8:30 p.m. President Bush addresses the nation. Search warrants obtained for homes and post office boxes in Florida. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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~ you can also now use this thread here to demonstrate how easily the dis-info people can fill up an otherwise well-begun thread with endless BS, data irrellevent to your initial aim and argumentative as well ~ you asked for cooincedences, simpler things that don't take much head-scratching to recognize as being odd, or out of place - how's this for simple - in the currently known history of humanity's ability to build big steel high rises like this, only 3 have ever fallen down due to fire, all 3 were on the same day, all 3 were leased/insured by the same man let your friend do an internet search of other steel building fires, high in the air, infernos that lasted 24 hours or more leaving a smoking skeleton 'standing' once the fire was out
Excerpts from G Force calculations prove official Pentagon attack flight path impossible, page 1 This is the required descent if the officially reported altitude is used: But it is STILL impossible even if we hypothetically lower the plane to the top of the highest obstacle on the official flight path! There is no way a 757 would be able to withstand more than 5 or 6 G's. But the highest G rate recorded in the NTSB data for this stretch is only 1.75 G's for a mere 1/8th of a second! This 13 minute excerpt from Pilots for 9/11 Truth's latest release, 9/11: ATTACK ON THE PENTAGON, is really enough in itself to prove a military deception in Arlington that day. So to all the pseudo-skeptics who have repeated the mantra "got math?" since the initial article came out with the error.....the answer is: Sure do! And it proves your official 9/11 fantasy false. [See the 13 min. clip of the Pilots for 9/11 Truth video at the linked abovetopsecret.com site or copy this path to browser: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5732289044586758033&hl=en A # sign gets added at the end of that path automatically but the path copied to a browser without it works.]
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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And no ID or altitude. So apparently after losing the transponder info while the aircraft was nearing Ohio, it passed through an area which had no primary radar coverage. Either that is a crock, or it was an area which was known to the FAA not to have radar coverage. Would 19 "ragheads" who attacked us because "they hated our freedoms" have known that? From the 9/11 Commission Report; 141. FAA audio file, Herndon Command Center, National Operations Manager position, line 4525;FAA audio file,Herndon Command Center, National Traffic Management Officer east position, line 4530; FAA memo,“Full Transcription; Air Traffic Control System Command Center,National Traffic Management Officer, East Position; September 11, 2001,” Oct. 21, 2003, p. 13. 142. Primary radar contact for Flight 77 was lost because the “preferred” radar in this geographic area had no primary radar system, the “supplemental” radar had poor primary coverage, and the FAA ATC software did not allow the display of primary radar data from the “tertiary” and “quadrary” radars. As far as what the air traffic controllers had to say, did you know that the tape of their original observations was destroyed? At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today. you asked for cooincedences, simpler things that don't take much head-scratching to recognize as being odd, or out of place - how's this for simple - in the currently known history of humanity's ability to build big steel high rises like this, only 3 have ever fallen down due to fire, all 3 were on the same day, all 3 were leased/insured by the same man let your friend do an internet search of other steel building fires, high in the air, infernos that lasted 24 hours or more leaving a smoking skeleton 'standing' once the fire was out And not to forget of those 3 buildings that fell only 2 were hit by airplanes. Further WTC 7 had been hardened, reinforced and made stronger, by the city of NY because they were placing their emergency command center there. As well the building hit first, with the most direct damage to the core, fell AFTER the South Tower which was hit second and based on the exit angle of the nose of the plane (where the fireball occurred) it suffered less damge, and yet it collapsed first.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Reference this or withdraw it. I'll validate my quote against your baseless challenges, when you agree to withdraw from posting on the forum, for making degoratory and accusatory remarks about statements I make, when I can prove my statements accurate. You do not get unlimited challenges to accuse other people of inaccurate or lying remarks, without incurring some penalty on yourself.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROTFL As though you have ever studied physics. I noticed that you were ABSENT with all your "differential equations" from the collapse theory thread that Christine locked. Have you no idea what happens when a large mass falls? You act as though that same mass exerts no pressure upon other masses around it.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You mean... cartoon!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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So you agree with Bush while claiming to oppose him. OBL October 2004 TV Transcript It is known that those who hate freedom don't have souls with integrity, like the souls of those 19. May the mercy of God be upon them. We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you. I wonder about you. Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Review what happened with this captured video as the first tower collapsed. Check out about 4 minutes into the video. It collapsed not because of "demolitions"; it collapsed because of loss of structural integrity near the aircraft impact. It pancaked. edit: view about 16:50 into this video.... the building pancaked beneath the downward force of structurally weakened upper floors based on the jet aircraft... there was no other explosions.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Since the "Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine" claimed responsibility ... as a result of Osama bin Laden insistence, it is amazing that you think that ANY US agency was involved.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
That is a fake video. Did it ever occur to you that not everything you see on TV is the truth?
It pancaked. You're a fuckin retard.
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That isn't true at all. I enjoy FACTS, though. If you review the video of that same post I provided... it shows a TV crew on the Pentagon ... with thousands viewing the crash. I don't believe in TWOOFER_FAERIES™; though... but, it is phunney to watch you go into a tizzy ... believing in BS.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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OMG! So soon into your own thread while you cast vindictive aspersions! Should I ask Christine to intercede as FL did back on the demolition theory thread?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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I enjoy objective (verifiable) and measurable information that can be collaborated by science, witnesses and documentation ... or evidence. It has nothing to do with agreeing with someone because they are suspicious or swayed with BS by mere posters on an obscure Internet chit-chat channel that typically use and enjoy YouTube. Sorry, I don't buy BS as FACT.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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lol.......you mean that thread that was on the verge of "stellar"?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
But, you can buy BS, 'eh?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThing is, the aircraft disappeared off radar near the Ohio border. That shouldn't be possible, since the aircraft should still be visible even without the transponder..
#21. To: All (#20)
#22. To: Amandil (#1)
#23. To: FormerLurker (#18)
The transponder simply gives off the plane's identification, speed, and altitude. The radar still sees the aircraft as a blip however.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#24. To: christine (#2)
Depending on one's already held opinion, he/she will argue what is irrefutable and indisputable to the point of absurdity.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#25. To: AGAviator (#17)
(3) How an aircraft controller trying to track a plane with its transponder off, and which completely disappears from the radar screen half way through its descending turn, is able to accurately describe the completed turn as a "precision turn" when the ATC doesn't even see the last half of the turn
#26. To: AGAviator (#13)
Arguing with them is like playing "Whack A Mole."
8:48 a.m. First news reports that American Airlines Flight 11 has crashed into One World Trade Center (north tower).
#27. To: Original_Intent (#10)
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~
#29. To: AGAviator (#17)
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Still want to know why
(1) A 1/2 G turn is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills" when student pilots must do 2G turns to get licensed and fighter pilots regularly pull 8+ G's,
(2) Descending at 46.667 feet per second or 31.818 miles per hour is supposed to be evidence of "fighter pilot skills," when you descend faster than that on a roller coaster,
#30. To: Original_Intent, All (#10)
#31. To: GreyLmist (#12)
#32. To: Original_Intent (#15)
#33. To: Amandil (#28)
#34. To: AGAviator, ALL (#23)
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A much fainter blip, hard to distinguish between clutter and the clear strong signals of aircraft with transponders working.
140. John Thomas interview (Sept. 24, 2003).According to the FAA-produced timeline, at 9:09 Indianapolis Center “notified Great Lakes Regional Operations Center a possible aircraft accident of AMERICAN 77 due to the simultaneous loss of radio communications and radar identification.”FAA report,“Summary of AirTraffic Hijack Events September 11, 2001,” Sept. 17, 2001.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: AGAviator, ALL (#23)
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The taping began before noon on Sept. 11 at the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center, in Ronkonkoma, on Long Island, but it was later destroyed by an F.A.A. quality-assurance manager, who crushed the cassette in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, according to a report made public today by the inspector general of the Transportation Department. [New York Times 5/6/04]
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#36. To: Amandil, Eric Stratton (#28)
~ you can also now use this thread here to demonstrate how easily the dis-info people can fill up an otherwise well-begun thread with endless BS, data irrellevent to your initial aim and argumentative as well ~
#37. To: Original_Intent, All (#10)
#38. To: Original_Intent (#36)
#39. To: GreyLmist, buckeroo (#25)
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(3) How an aircraft controller trying to track a plane with its transponder off, and which completely disappears from the radar screen half way through its descending turn, is able to accurately describe the completed turn as a "precision turn" when the ATC doesn't even see the last half of the turn
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#40. To: Original_Intent (#36)
And not to forget of those 3 buildings that fell only 2 were hit by airplanes.
#41. To: Eric Stratton (#38)
Any reason been floated as to why that was?
#42. To: buckeroo (#41)
#43. To: buckeroo (#41)
#44. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#34)
Would 19 "ragheads" who attacked us because "they hated our freedoms" have known that?
Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom -- let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?"
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#45. To: Eric Stratton (#43)
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#46. To: Eric Stratton (#43)
Is it possible?
#47. To: AGAviator (#44)
#48. To: buckeroo (#45)
about 4 minutes into the video. It collapsed not because of "demolitions"; it collapsed because of loss of structural integrity near the aircraft impact.
#49. To: buckeroo (#46)
#50. To: buckeroo (#45)
#51. To: Eric Stratton (#49)
What's amazing is that you trust our government
#52. To: buckeroo (#51)
#53. To: Eric Stratton (#50)
Dude, you're an idiot.
#54. To: buckeroo (#53)
#55. To: Eric Stratton (#52)
I enjoy FACTS that you agree with, though.
#56. To: All (#44)
#57. To: buckeroo (#55)
#58. To: buckeroo (#53)
Should I ask Christine to intercede as FL did back on the demolition theory thread?
#59. To: Eric Stratton (#57)
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