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Title: Lou Dobbs Discusses ‘Anchor Babies’ With Megyn Kelly, But Defends 14th Amendment
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URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lou-dobb ... y-but-defends-14th-ammendment/
Published: Aug 2, 2010
Author: by Colby Hall
Post Date: 2010-08-02 20:52:43 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Keywords: SB1070
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Lou Dobbs Discusses ‘Anchor Babies’ With Megyn Kelly, But Defends 14th Amendment

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A lot hay has been made by cable pundits and right of center politician of late, regarding the issue of the 14th Amendment, which essential claims that any child born in the United States is automatically a naturalized citizen, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. Recently Senators Lindsey Graham and John Kyl have considered eliminating birthright citizenship, which is the exact sort of controversy custom-made for cable news programming! Et Voilà – today Fox News host Megyn Kelly and Lou Dobbs discussed this very issue!

When he had his 7PM program on CNN, Dobbs was such a vocal critic of an ineffective illegal immigration, that some even criticized his rhetoric and passion as “jingoistic.” So its somewhat surprising that Dobbs (and to a lesser extent Kelly) come out against the opposition of the 14th Amendment, while also admitting the core problem with so-called “anchor babies” (the derisive term used to described naturalized citizens born to illegal immigrants.

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the real problem is not anchor babies, but the fact that employers to this day can easily hire as many illegal immigrants as they want with no penalty at all from the government. I don't watch Lou Dobbs, but I'd be surprised if he focuses people's minds on that simple fact. Puppets in the media (like Lou Dobbs) and republican politicians try to tell us that all will be well when we 'get control of the border' by putting huge resources onto it and at the same time allow 'guest workers'. Guest workers are just semi-slaves, think of them as indentured servants which were a pre-cursor for outright slavery.

But equally urgent for the cause of justice is the plight of the illegals who have been here for years and put down roots, yet may not be allowed to stay under reasonable conditions. I'm with Ronald Reagan, I think that if a person has lived in this country for any length of time and held a job, then we should not only let them stay, but let them be citizens without being guest workers first.

The illegals were invited here in 1986 by republican legislation that took all penalties from employers for hiring them. When the government decides to pass laws giving harm to the employers for hiring illegals, then that is when they will not be welcome here.

An illegal immigrant working here and living here can be given great harm either by state law enforcement or federal law enforcement. But the employer is not harmed. In Arizona we have laws that penalize employers for hiring illegals. It is very difficult for employers to get caught in that trap. And if they are caught the penalties are very light. They escalate if you're caught more than once. I read in the paper about one employer who was caught 3 times. and they were caught hiring people that they knew were illegal, people whom the government had told them were illegal, they hired anyway. That company had to shut down its operations for 1 day after being caught the 3'rd time.

I am 100% certain that many employers in Arizona hire illegal immigrants every single day even today. I am 100% certain that they generally have no fear of the law at all.

Consider a person whom I know. He first came here in 1991 from Mexico. He became a very valuable person for his employer. His employer knows he's illegal, but they keep him anyway and they hire lots of his friends even today as new employees. He brought his family to Arizona from Mexico. He tried to get them to live here. But he found hostility to his family. that was unacceptable, he sent them home. and so 80% of his paycheck goes to Mexico. The Republicans would turn that fellow into an indentured servant and not let him ever be free. The Democrats as we know will go along with anything the republicans want.

It is very easy for the government to identify all illegals who get paychecks from employers. Most illegals work for paychecks and the taxes are withheld. For all the illegals who have been here even for a while and held a job we should simply make them choose between a road to US citizenship or else a one-way trip back to where they came. And we should likewise penalize employers who hire new illegals. But the existing illegals should be given the opportunity for citizenship. If they reject that opportunity which would include a renunciation of their previous citizenship, then they should be sent home.

but contrary to what these idiot republicans and their democrat friends want, we should not have indentured servants in our country. The guest workers will be de-facto indentured servants. It is an affront to our values to have indentured servants here. It drives wages down and destroys our economy. We learned that in pre-1865 southern states. Employers will always favor indentured servants who can't quit. Just like they will always prefer slaves who can't quit. That was proven in the old south. and it did not benefit the economy of the old south. When factories were made in the south the labor was always slave labor. Because business people could not imagine that free labor would be better than slave labor. Free labor though it cost more was better than slave labor. Slavery in 1800's old south was a lost cause in that the slaves were not productive. and yet they clung to it.

The same drama is being repeated today. We need guest workers to solve all of our problems because we don't have enough illegal immigrants. Free labor only - please!

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-02   23:00:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We need guest workers to solve all of our problems because we don't have enough illegal immigrants.

This is sarcasm, right? We have more than enough illegal aliens! And why would a country with something like 20% unemployment--real numbers, not the fictitious 10% that the government claims--"need" guest workers? Maybe when all Americans who want to work and will work have jobs and there are plenty of jobs to go around, maybe then some "guest workers" might be needed. But not as long as Americans are out of work.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-02   23:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is sarcasm, right?

yes, of course, that is sarcasm.

My problem is that I live in Arizona. I live to republican politicians who are prominent here. They are the ones who say that we must solve the illegal immigration problem by replacing them with guest workers. I don't say that, but they make that exact argument.

Anybody who has significant experience with the US mass media knows that it is a show, they pick issues and make a soap opera out of them. a soap opera with no substance for serious citizens interested in doing the right thing. A soap opera to distract and manipulate only.

We have this law in Arizona (SB1070 it is called) that is controversial. Many cities such as Los Angeles and Sacramento and others have passed resolutions saying that they won't spend money in our state. because arizona is racist they say due to this law.

our republican politicians have not passed a law to penalize employers for hiring illegals. They passed such a law a couple of years ago, but now that it has been in effect for 2 years we see that it is a meaningless law. The penalties are very hard to incur and they are also very light. The employers are ignoring that law.

but republicans keep saying endlessly that we must get control of the border, put huge resources there. The mexicans will merely tunnel under the border. How long is that border? 2,000 miles?

why don't the republicans pass laws to penalize employers for hiring illegals. Why are the republicans so eager for guest workers.

I agree with you - it is insane to even speak of guest workers with the high unemployment we have. They are sick.

the employers who hire the illegals are no different from slave-owners of pre-1865 south. There were a small percentage of people in the old south who really excelled at owning slaves. They loved it. and a few of them abused the slaves horribly. They did this because they were legally allowed to do so. Today it is the same, you can hire illegals if you want. and the laws are to be changed we're told to make guest workers permanent.

I wish we could use free labor only. The historical track record is that free labor is good for the economy and slave labor is not. If you don't believe me, then please explain why it was that in pre-1865 america all the factories went to the north where the more expensive free labor was used. Some people (republicans) think the economy works best with low wages. But this is not true, we are more prosperous with high wages. and when you push people's wages down there is a multiplier effect whereby other parts of the GDP go down when those employees spend less and this smaller spending reverberates in the economy.

My sarcasm comes from listening to Senator McCain tell us we need to get control of the border and have guest workers. This same McCain does not want to penalize employers in a meaningful way for hiring illegals.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-02   23:31:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks, Red.

I have a neighbor who works four construction crews in four states. Five years ago, he swore he would NEVER hire illegal aliens. Today, almost all his crews are illegal aliens who came up with coyotes, went to the closest consulates, got their green cards, then their DL. He explained it to me that he could not stay in competitive business and work American crews because of the scale differential between what he pays Americans and illegal aliens.

I understand his method, and why he does it. Thousands of contractors across the country have gone with this trend, and frankly have sponsored millions of illegal aliens throughout the country this way.

He knows I don't condone what he does, and if the labor pool wasn't so flooded with illegal aliens, he and most other contractors would prefer to hire Americans if they could.

I'm certain you can agree with this reality. It is not just in Arizona, but coast-coast and border-border.

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-08-03   1:47:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He explained it to me that he could not stay in competitive business and work American crews because of the scale differential between what he pays Americans and illegal aliens.

Then it is time for him to close his flunky business down. Hiring illegals is a crime. If he can't compete without being a criminal, then his business should be closed down.

RickyJ  posted on  2010-08-03   2:39:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

He explained it to me that he could not stay in competitive business and work American crews because of the scale differential between what he pays Americans and illegal aliens.

Then it is time for him to close his flunky business down. Hiring illegals is a crime. If he can't compete without being a criminal, then his business should be closed down.

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We're dealing with reality here. There are tens of thousands of businesses across the country locked into the embedded underground economy that simply will NOT be in business if they cannot use illegal alien labor from Mexico to operate with.

The implications are very far reaching.

These contractors are in direct violation of federal immigration laws and each and every one of them knows it.

KICKER: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT BETTER THAN ANYONE *AND OPENLY PROMOTES IT BY *NOT* PROSECUTING THESE CONTRACTORS

Red, are you still here?

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2010-08-03   6:42:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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