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Title: Lou Dobbs Discusses ‘Anchor Babies’ With Megyn Kelly, But Defends 14th Amendment
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URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lou-dobb ... y-but-defends-14th-ammendment/
Published: Aug 2, 2010
Author: by Colby Hall
Post Date: 2010-08-02 20:52:43 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Keywords: SB1070
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Lou Dobbs Discusses ‘Anchor Babies’ With Megyn Kelly, But Defends 14th Amendment

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A lot hay has been made by cable pundits and right of center politician of late, regarding the issue of the 14th Amendment, which essential claims that any child born in the United States is automatically a naturalized citizen, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. Recently Senators Lindsey Graham and John Kyl have considered eliminating birthright citizenship, which is the exact sort of controversy custom-made for cable news programming! Et Voilà – today Fox News host Megyn Kelly and Lou Dobbs discussed this very issue!

When he had his 7PM program on CNN, Dobbs was such a vocal critic of an ineffective illegal immigration, that some even criticized his rhetoric and passion as “jingoistic.” So its somewhat surprising that Dobbs (and to a lesser extent Kelly) come out against the opposition of the 14th Amendment, while also admitting the core problem with so-called “anchor babies” (the derisive term used to described naturalized citizens born to illegal immigrants.

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the real problem is not anchor babies, but the fact that employers to this day can easily hire as many illegal immigrants as they want with no penalty at all from the government. I don't watch Lou Dobbs, but I'd be surprised if he focuses people's minds on that simple fact. Puppets in the media (like Lou Dobbs) and republican politicians try to tell us that all will be well when we 'get control of the border' by putting huge resources onto it and at the same time allow 'guest workers'. Guest workers are just semi-slaves, think of them as indentured servants which were a pre-cursor for outright slavery.

But equally urgent for the cause of justice is the plight of the illegals who have been here for years and put down roots, yet may not be allowed to stay under reasonable conditions. I'm with Ronald Reagan, I think that if a person has lived in this country for any length of time and held a job, then we should not only let them stay, but let them be citizens without being guest workers first.

The illegals were invited here in 1986 by republican legislation that took all penalties from employers for hiring them. When the government decides to pass laws giving harm to the employers for hiring illegals, then that is when they will not be welcome here.

An illegal immigrant working here and living here can be given great harm either by state law enforcement or federal law enforcement. But the employer is not harmed. In Arizona we have laws that penalize employers for hiring illegals. It is very difficult for employers to get caught in that trap. And if they are caught the penalties are very light. They escalate if you're caught more than once. I read in the paper about one employer who was caught 3 times. and they were caught hiring people that they knew were illegal, people whom the government had told them were illegal, they hired anyway. That company had to shut down its operations for 1 day after being caught the 3'rd time.

I am 100% certain that many employers in Arizona hire illegal immigrants every single day even today. I am 100% certain that they generally have no fear of the law at all.

Consider a person whom I know. He first came here in 1991 from Mexico. He became a very valuable person for his employer. His employer knows he's illegal, but they keep him anyway and they hire lots of his friends even today as new employees. He brought his family to Arizona from Mexico. He tried to get them to live here. But he found hostility to his family. that was unacceptable, he sent them home. and so 80% of his paycheck goes to Mexico. The Republicans would turn that fellow into an indentured servant and not let him ever be free. The Democrats as we know will go along with anything the republicans want.

It is very easy for the government to identify all illegals who get paychecks from employers. Most illegals work for paychecks and the taxes are withheld. For all the illegals who have been here even for a while and held a job we should simply make them choose between a road to US citizenship or else a one-way trip back to where they came. And we should likewise penalize employers who hire new illegals. But the existing illegals should be given the opportunity for citizenship. If they reject that opportunity which would include a renunciation of their previous citizenship, then they should be sent home.

but contrary to what these idiot republicans and their democrat friends want, we should not have indentured servants in our country. The guest workers will be de-facto indentured servants. It is an affront to our values to have indentured servants here. It drives wages down and destroys our economy. We learned that in pre-1865 southern states. Employers will always favor indentured servants who can't quit. Just like they will always prefer slaves who can't quit. That was proven in the old south. and it did not benefit the economy of the old south. When factories were made in the south the labor was always slave labor. Because business people could not imagine that free labor would be better than slave labor. Free labor though it cost more was better than slave labor. Slavery in 1800's old south was a lost cause in that the slaves were not productive. and yet they clung to it.

The same drama is being repeated today. We need guest workers to solve all of our problems because we don't have enough illegal immigrants. Free labor only - please!

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-02   23:00:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We need guest workers to solve all of our problems because we don't have enough illegal immigrants.

This is sarcasm, right? We have more than enough illegal aliens! And why would a country with something like 20% unemployment--real numbers, not the fictitious 10% that the government claims--"need" guest workers? Maybe when all Americans who want to work and will work have jobs and there are plenty of jobs to go around, maybe then some "guest workers" might be needed. But not as long as Americans are out of work.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-02   23:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is sarcasm, right?

yes, of course, that is sarcasm.

My problem is that I live in Arizona. I live to republican politicians who are prominent here. They are the ones who say that we must solve the illegal immigration problem by replacing them with guest workers. I don't say that, but they make that exact argument.

Anybody who has significant experience with the US mass media knows that it is a show, they pick issues and make a soap opera out of them. a soap opera with no substance for serious citizens interested in doing the right thing. A soap opera to distract and manipulate only.

We have this law in Arizona (SB1070 it is called) that is controversial. Many cities such as Los Angeles and Sacramento and others have passed resolutions saying that they won't spend money in our state. because arizona is racist they say due to this law.

our republican politicians have not passed a law to penalize employers for hiring illegals. They passed such a law a couple of years ago, but now that it has been in effect for 2 years we see that it is a meaningless law. The penalties are very hard to incur and they are also very light. The employers are ignoring that law.

but republicans keep saying endlessly that we must get control of the border, put huge resources there. The mexicans will merely tunnel under the border. How long is that border? 2,000 miles?

why don't the republicans pass laws to penalize employers for hiring illegals. Why are the republicans so eager for guest workers.

I agree with you - it is insane to even speak of guest workers with the high unemployment we have. They are sick.

the employers who hire the illegals are no different from slave-owners of pre-1865 south. There were a small percentage of people in the old south who really excelled at owning slaves. They loved it. and a few of them abused the slaves horribly. They did this because they were legally allowed to do so. Today it is the same, you can hire illegals if you want. and the laws are to be changed we're told to make guest workers permanent.

I wish we could use free labor only. The historical track record is that free labor is good for the economy and slave labor is not. If you don't believe me, then please explain why it was that in pre-1865 america all the factories went to the north where the more expensive free labor was used. Some people (republicans) think the economy works best with low wages. But this is not true, we are more prosperous with high wages. and when you push people's wages down there is a multiplier effect whereby other parts of the GDP go down when those employees spend less and this smaller spending reverberates in the economy.

My sarcasm comes from listening to Senator McCain tell us we need to get control of the border and have guest workers. This same McCain does not want to penalize employers in a meaningful way for hiring illegals.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-02   23:31:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My sarcasm comes from listening to Senator McCain tell us we need to get control of the border and have guest workers. This same McCain does not want to penalize employers in a meaningful way for hiring illegals.

What can you expect from McCain the Manchurian? He is a communist through and through. Only he believes that, as one of the elite and "smarter than everyone else" that he should have all the goodies he wants while everyone else shares what's left (if anything). All most communists want other people to share is poverty and misery.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-03   13:32:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What can you expect from McCain the Manchurian?

I agree with you. Few people seem to be aware that when John McCain was a POW in north vietnam he did at least 21 propaganda interviews to his captors. John McCain gave interviews broadcast all over vietnam and elsewhere even where he spoke strong anti-American sentiments. I don't blame John McCain for breaking and doing propaganda interviews. but I do object that he is raised up as some kind of a war hero over his experience. He broke very quickly and easily. Whereas other men resisted strongly. and some died in their resistance. A large number of American POWs who we know were in North Vietnam did not come back. I mean like perhaps over 1,000 Americans were confirmed alive in North Vietnamese camps and yet did not come back. Only about 800 came back. I'm loyal to those Americans who were there and were tortured and tried their best not to break and to those who never came home. I'm not loyal to the prima-dona who broke almost right away and then came home and in 1990 was in a position of power in Washington and decided that we would abandon those other 1,000 men who did not come home. because my father was a US Army officer for 30 years when I was a child I knew many men who served in vietnam. I witnessed a wife being informed by the US army that her husband was shot down, and that particular man never did come back, he was one who was identified in the camp as being alive, but never came home.

So many Americans like to pretend that McCain is a war hero. Yet that is insane. None of us blame him for breaking. but he broke so easily. He not only said anti-american things in the interviews, he gave information that had military value. real military value and americans likely died from it. while so many others resisted strongly and paid a severe price for it, we cannot in good conscience raise up John McCain. by making him a congressman, then a senator, then a presidential candidate we have raised up John McCain. Because of his performance as a POW we should not have done that. I remember meeting John McCain in person when he first was running for congress in 1982.

and John McCain's father intervened when the USS Liberty was under attack in 1967. Admiral McCain personally got the president (LBJ) to stop the US Navy from going to the aid of the USS Liberty. Let us recall that 35 americans died in that attack, and that a very strong effort was made to sink the USS Liberty. Admiral McCain (John McCain's father) was a traitor on that day. McCain comes from a family of traitors, plain and simple.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-03   14:12:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I have never thought of McCain as a hero. I reckon he was an ace pilot though (for Vietnam). Didn't he crash about five of our planes? As I recall taking out five of the enemies planes qualifies you as an ace pilot. And McCain has proven, over and over, that he is an enemy of America.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-03   14:31:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I read about McCain's military record. He was allowed to be a pilot because of his father. He was very marginal in the aptitude department for flying. that is what the navy concluded during his training. the military only allows high-aptitude people to be pilots. If his dad was not an admiral, then he would not have been a pilot. he had an unusual knack for destroying the planes he flew. Almost no pilot in the navy did what he did. As you said I think it was 5 jets that were destroyed when he was piloting them. Some of those incidents were chalked up to complete incompetence and carelessness. One of them was on a pleasure trip that he was taking with a US Navy jet. and then there is the incident on board the aircraft carrier a few weeks before he was shot down over North Vietnam. I saw a special on tv about that about 20 years ago. They had a video taken on the aircraft carrier that I saw. He climbed into the jet, he made a mistake and mistakenly set off a missile. He immediately jumped out of the jet, opening the cockpit up and bolting out, down to the deck and ran immediately without saying a word to safey. As soon as he got past the door to a protected area the huge explosion occurred. and all of the men in the video except McCain were killed. I saw the video. He made no effort to save anyone's life but his own. OTOH if he had been slow in his retreat, he would've died himself. Its not everyone that causes an accident that kills over 150 of his co-workers. There were people in the navy who concluded after investigation that it was McCain's fault. him hot-dogging is what caused it. He thought it would be fun to gun the engine and cause flame to come out of the back because a buddy of his was in the jet behind him. It was against procedure what McCain did. and over 150 people died from it.

the tv special I saw about that incident on the aircraft carrier was 20 years ago. The video made McCain look very bad. There were people on that aircraft carrier who wanted to murder John McCain over it, that is why he was transferred out. In modern times you cannot find the same negative info about that incident on the internet. There has been a whitewash. The video they show of the incident is very different from the one I saw 20 years ago. The narrator on the documentary I saw said the navy blamed John McCain for the accident. and in modern times you can't find any such document.

that was one of the 5 jets McCain piloted that was destroyed. but many other jets were also destroyed.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-03   14:54:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I remember reading about that incident. It was on the Forrestal (sp?), wasn't it?

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-03   15:00:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, you triggered my memory. It was on the USS Forrestal.

former crew of the USS Forestal used to follow McCain on the campaign trail in an effort to embarass him. they would stand up while he was speaking and begin to speak themselves about what happened on the Forrestal.

current.com/news/89438038...re-that-left-168-dead.htm

I can't find on the internet the video that I saw 20 years ago. It made McCain look very bad. and the videos of the incident you can find now do not do that. McCain was in the cockpit and did a hot-dog stunt that caused the accident. McCain heard a noise inside of his cockpit where he knew with 100% certainty that a huge explosion was about to occur. He bolted out of the cockpit and ran very fast to safety. He made no effort to save anyone but himself. the camera recording it was right next to the door where safety was. McCain for that door. as soon as he got past it - a huge explosion occurred and everyone who was near was killed. There are web sites today that obfuscate and confuse what happened. they act like it wasn't McCain's fault. but it was.

if our nation was to make a person a prominent politician and presidential candidate, then we should avoid doing that with a person who has the type of military record that McCain has. He was like you said, an ace pilot for the other side, destroying 5 jets he piloted. He accidentally killed 168 Americans doing a procedure that he was told not to do. He broke under torture almost immediately whereas everybody else resisted, some of them until death. He gave militarily valuable information to the enemy that cost American lives. This is his track record. Only our enemies will raise up such a man and put him on a pedestal. Our enemies who rule our country have done that.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-03   15:16:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, your account of what McCain did on the Forrestal matches up with what I read about it a long time ago. I don't know how a man could live with himself, how his conscience would ever let him see a minute's peace after something like that. But then, sociopaths don't have consciences so maybe that is why it doesn't bother him.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-03   15:22:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

how his conscience would ever let him see a minute's peace after something like that.

yes, that is very true. what I found unusual about the video of McCain in that incident was that he made absolutely zero effort to save other people's lives and instead only his own. He wasn't yelling to others to get clear while he himself was running away. He had one and only one purpose - save himself. and in the interview I saw he said that. I thought that a normal person would at least try to shout a warning. He did not do that. On the other hand, if he had put forth any effort to save others, then he himself would have likely died. He went behind the door to safety and IMMEDIATELY his jet blew up. That was the video I saw. and the videos I see today on the internet do not really match it.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-03   15:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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