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Title: Lou Dobbs Discusses ‘Anchor Babies’ With Megyn Kelly, But Defends 14th Amendment
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URL Source: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lou-dobb ... y-but-defends-14th-ammendment/
Published: Aug 2, 2010
Author: by Colby Hall
Post Date: 2010-08-02 20:52:43 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Keywords: SB1070
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Lou Dobbs Discusses ‘Anchor Babies’ With Megyn Kelly, But Defends 14th Amendment

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A lot hay has been made by cable pundits and right of center politician of late, regarding the issue of the 14th Amendment, which essential claims that any child born in the United States is automatically a naturalized citizen, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. Recently Senators Lindsey Graham and John Kyl have considered eliminating birthright citizenship, which is the exact sort of controversy custom-made for cable news programming! Et Voilà – today Fox News host Megyn Kelly and Lou Dobbs discussed this very issue!

When he had his 7PM program on CNN, Dobbs was such a vocal critic of an ineffective illegal immigration, that some even criticized his rhetoric and passion as “jingoistic.” So its somewhat surprising that Dobbs (and to a lesser extent Kelly) come out against the opposition of the 14th Amendment, while also admitting the core problem with so-called “anchor babies” (the derisive term used to described naturalized citizens born to illegal immigrants.

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the real problem is not anchor babies, but the fact that employers to this day can easily hire as many illegal immigrants as they want with no penalty at all from the government. I don't watch Lou Dobbs, but I'd be surprised if he focuses people's minds on that simple fact. Puppets in the media (like Lou Dobbs) and republican politicians try to tell us that all will be well when we 'get control of the border' by putting huge resources onto it and at the same time allow 'guest workers'. Guest workers are just semi-slaves, think of them as indentured servants which were a pre-cursor for outright slavery.

But equally urgent for the cause of justice is the plight of the illegals who have been here for years and put down roots, yet may not be allowed to stay under reasonable conditions. I'm with Ronald Reagan, I think that if a person has lived in this country for any length of time and held a job, then we should not only let them stay, but let them be citizens without being guest workers first.

The illegals were invited here in 1986 by republican legislation that took all penalties from employers for hiring them. When the government decides to pass laws giving harm to the employers for hiring illegals, then that is when they will not be welcome here.

An illegal immigrant working here and living here can be given great harm either by state law enforcement or federal law enforcement. But the employer is not harmed. In Arizona we have laws that penalize employers for hiring illegals. It is very difficult for employers to get caught in that trap. And if they are caught the penalties are very light. They escalate if you're caught more than once. I read in the paper about one employer who was caught 3 times. and they were caught hiring people that they knew were illegal, people whom the government had told them were illegal, they hired anyway. That company had to shut down its operations for 1 day after being caught the 3'rd time.

I am 100% certain that many employers in Arizona hire illegal immigrants every single day even today. I am 100% certain that they generally have no fear of the law at all.

Consider a person whom I know. He first came here in 1991 from Mexico. He became a very valuable person for his employer. His employer knows he's illegal, but they keep him anyway and they hire lots of his friends even today as new employees. He brought his family to Arizona from Mexico. He tried to get them to live here. But he found hostility to his family. that was unacceptable, he sent them home. and so 80% of his paycheck goes to Mexico. The Republicans would turn that fellow into an indentured servant and not let him ever be free. The Democrats as we know will go along with anything the republicans want.

It is very easy for the government to identify all illegals who get paychecks from employers. Most illegals work for paychecks and the taxes are withheld. For all the illegals who have been here even for a while and held a job we should simply make them choose between a road to US citizenship or else a one-way trip back to where they came. And we should likewise penalize employers who hire new illegals. But the existing illegals should be given the opportunity for citizenship. If they reject that opportunity which would include a renunciation of their previous citizenship, then they should be sent home.

but contrary to what these idiot republicans and their democrat friends want, we should not have indentured servants in our country. The guest workers will be de-facto indentured servants. It is an affront to our values to have indentured servants here. It drives wages down and destroys our economy. We learned that in pre-1865 southern states. Employers will always favor indentured servants who can't quit. Just like they will always prefer slaves who can't quit. That was proven in the old south. and it did not benefit the economy of the old south. When factories were made in the south the labor was always slave labor. Because business people could not imagine that free labor would be better than slave labor. Free labor though it cost more was better than slave labor. Slavery in 1800's old south was a lost cause in that the slaves were not productive. and yet they clung to it.

The same drama is being repeated today. We need guest workers to solve all of our problems because we don't have enough illegal immigrants. Free labor only - please!

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-02   23:00:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

We need guest workers to solve all of our problems because we don't have enough illegal immigrants.

This is sarcasm, right? We have more than enough illegal aliens! And why would a country with something like 20% unemployment--real numbers, not the fictitious 10% that the government claims--"need" guest workers? Maybe when all Americans who want to work and will work have jobs and there are plenty of jobs to go around, maybe then some "guest workers" might be needed. But not as long as Americans are out of work.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-02   23:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is sarcasm, right?

yes, of course, that is sarcasm.

My problem is that I live in Arizona. I live to republican politicians who are prominent here. They are the ones who say that we must solve the illegal immigration problem by replacing them with guest workers. I don't say that, but they make that exact argument.

Anybody who has significant experience with the US mass media knows that it is a show, they pick issues and make a soap opera out of them. a soap opera with no substance for serious citizens interested in doing the right thing. A soap opera to distract and manipulate only.

We have this law in Arizona (SB1070 it is called) that is controversial. Many cities such as Los Angeles and Sacramento and others have passed resolutions saying that they won't spend money in our state. because arizona is racist they say due to this law.

our republican politicians have not passed a law to penalize employers for hiring illegals. They passed such a law a couple of years ago, but now that it has been in effect for 2 years we see that it is a meaningless law. The penalties are very hard to incur and they are also very light. The employers are ignoring that law.

but republicans keep saying endlessly that we must get control of the border, put huge resources there. The mexicans will merely tunnel under the border. How long is that border? 2,000 miles?

why don't the republicans pass laws to penalize employers for hiring illegals. Why are the republicans so eager for guest workers.

I agree with you - it is insane to even speak of guest workers with the high unemployment we have. They are sick.

the employers who hire the illegals are no different from slave-owners of pre-1865 south. There were a small percentage of people in the old south who really excelled at owning slaves. They loved it. and a few of them abused the slaves horribly. They did this because they were legally allowed to do so. Today it is the same, you can hire illegals if you want. and the laws are to be changed we're told to make guest workers permanent.

I wish we could use free labor only. The historical track record is that free labor is good for the economy and slave labor is not. If you don't believe me, then please explain why it was that in pre-1865 america all the factories went to the north where the more expensive free labor was used. Some people (republicans) think the economy works best with low wages. But this is not true, we are more prosperous with high wages. and when you push people's wages down there is a multiplier effect whereby other parts of the GDP go down when those employees spend less and this smaller spending reverberates in the economy.

My sarcasm comes from listening to Senator McCain tell us we need to get control of the border and have guest workers. This same McCain does not want to penalize employers in a meaningful way for hiring illegals.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-02   23:31:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My sarcasm comes from listening to Senator McCain tell us we need to get control of the border and have guest workers. This same McCain does not want to penalize employers in a meaningful way for hiring illegals.

What can you expect from McCain the Manchurian? He is a communist through and through. Only he believes that, as one of the elite and "smarter than everyone else" that he should have all the goodies he wants while everyone else shares what's left (if anything). All most communists want other people to share is poverty and misery.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-03   13:32:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

What can you expect from McCain the Manchurian?

I agree with you. Few people seem to be aware that when John McCain was a POW in north vietnam he did at least 21 propaganda interviews to his captors. John McCain gave interviews broadcast all over vietnam and elsewhere even where he spoke strong anti-American sentiments. I don't blame John McCain for breaking and doing propaganda interviews. but I do object that he is raised up as some kind of a war hero over his experience. He broke very quickly and easily. Whereas other men resisted strongly. and some died in their resistance. A large number of American POWs who we know were in North Vietnam did not come back. I mean like perhaps over 1,000 Americans were confirmed alive in North Vietnamese camps and yet did not come back. Only about 800 came back. I'm loyal to those Americans who were there and were tortured and tried their best not to break and to those who never came home. I'm not loyal to the prima-dona who broke almost right away and then came home and in 1990 was in a position of power in Washington and decided that we would abandon those other 1,000 men who did not come home. because my father was a US Army officer for 30 years when I was a child I knew many men who served in vietnam. I witnessed a wife being informed by the US army that her husband was shot down, and that particular man never did come back, he was one who was identified in the camp as being alive, but never came home.

So many Americans like to pretend that McCain is a war hero. Yet that is insane. None of us blame him for breaking. but he broke so easily. He not only said anti-american things in the interviews, he gave information that had military value. real military value and americans likely died from it. while so many others resisted strongly and paid a severe price for it, we cannot in good conscience raise up John McCain. by making him a congressman, then a senator, then a presidential candidate we have raised up John McCain. Because of his performance as a POW we should not have done that. I remember meeting John McCain in person when he first was running for congress in 1982.

and John McCain's father intervened when the USS Liberty was under attack in 1967. Admiral McCain personally got the president (LBJ) to stop the US Navy from going to the aid of the USS Liberty. Let us recall that 35 americans died in that attack, and that a very strong effort was made to sink the USS Liberty. Admiral McCain (John McCain's father) was a traitor on that day. McCain comes from a family of traitors, plain and simple.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-03   14:12:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So many Americans like to pretend that McCain is a war hero. Yet that is insane. None of us blame him for breaking. but he broke so easily.

I agree with everything you said. McCain would have been more honorable to deep 6 the war hero crap and be honest about how he broke so easily and became a prop tool for the Commies and talk about how war changes men's morality and values. Didn't he also do something creepy once he got home to prevent US soldiers left behind to be repatriated or whatever or have their bones sent back because he wanted to protect his war hero story? I forget the exact details.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-04   13:07:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Around 1990 McCain was a senator and he'd been given some prominence on a committee that dealt with the Vietnam POW/MIA's. McCain took a strong hand in deciding that the US government would give up on all those who did not come home by that time. We had been pressuring the vietnamese to give us people that our government officially thought the vietnamese were still holding. and McCain was used as a person to reverse this policy and for the US government to officially say that none who did not come home were still alive. The POW/MIA families were extremely upset with McCain. Because they felt that there was strong evidence that some were still there and alive.

They felt that McCain was a traitor to them.

Also, he arranged for all records of those POWMIAs to be sealed. That was the big thing in a way because some of those records concerned him. those records included the details of how he did at least 21 propaganda tapes and gave away valuable info, etc. There are people who say that John McCain was given a condo in Hanoi with 2 prostitutes at his service. In stopping people from looking at his records he may have made it less likely that a family would be able to track down their loved one over there. That is what happened.

Also, about McCain - isn't it so sick that very flawed men are raised up in our society by the people that rule us. Clinton was very flawed with his cocaine use while governor and his uncontrollable sex perversion. When McCain was young he used to fool around outside of his marriage. He was notorious for this. I had a personal acquaintance years ago who was close friends with Cindy McCain prior to her marriage to John. She told me that the 2 of them met and started their relationship on the very evening that McCain arrived in Hawaii from his POW experience. They met at the hotel bar that very evening he arrived. In the morning he was in his prison bed in Hanoi. In the evening he was in bed with a very attractive woman at a hotel in Honolulu. Yet all the official sources say they started that relationship later. McCain was still married when he came home. He soon dumped his wife of course, but the official biographies & sources all say that he met Cindy after he dumped his wife.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-04   21:50:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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