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9/11
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Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack
Source: 911 Research
URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: Not Given
Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact
Views: 4253
Comments: 193

The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack

It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. As of May, 2006, the only video footage of the crash that has been released are clips from two Pentagon security cameras north of the crash site, one the source of 5 frames leaked in 2002.

With the release of the two video clips, the Pentagon claims to have supplied all of the footage it has of the attack. Although the number and positions of security cameras monitoring the Pentagon is not public knowledge, it seems unlikely that only two security cameras captured the attack. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of security cameras ringing the huge building that is the heart of the United States military establishment? Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized The Sheraton National Hotel may be the hotel from which the FBI seized a CCTV recording.

Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those recordings, if they still exist, might provide decisive evidence about the attack.

* The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 * The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2

The NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station is just under the flightpath of the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack.

In addition it is likely there is other video footage that was either destroyed or is being withheld, given that the trajectory of the attack plane took it low over a large part of Arlington, Virginia. Lawsuits to Obtain Videos

At least two plaintiffs have attempted to obtain videos seized by the FBI, using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The first, documented at Flight77.info, began with a request to the FBI in October of 2004. The second, undertaken by the Judicial Watch, Inc. began with a request to the Department of Defense (DOD) in December of 2004. Following is a timeline of the requests and subsequent lawsuits. Entries relating to the second case are distinguished with dates colored gray.

* October 14, 2004: Scott A. Hodes, on behalf of his client Scott Bingham, sends a request to David Hardy of the FBI requesting any videos "that may have captured the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001". The request letter mentions videotapes from the Citgo Gas Station and the Sheraton National Hotel.
* November 3, 2004: The FBI replies to Bingham's request stating that their search "revealed no record responsive to your FOIA request".
* November 17, 2004: Hodes files an appeal of Bingham's FOIA request with the U.S Department of Justice (DOJ), citing evidence that the videotapes mentioned in the original request exist.
* December 15, 2004: Christopher J. Farrell of Judicial Watch, Inc. writes to James Hogan in the Office of Freedom of Information/Security Review of the DOD requesting that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DOD, and FBI produce:
any and all agency records concerning, relating to, or reflecting the following subjects:

(1) Video camera recordings obtained by federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from a Nexcomm/Citgo gas station in the vicinity of the Pentagon on or about September 11, 2001.

(2) Pentagon security video camera recording(s) showing Flight 77 strike and/or hit and/or crash into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

(3) Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) video camera recording(s) obtained by any federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from the Virginia Department of Transportation ("VDOT") and/or the VDOT "Smart Traffic Center" on or about September 11, 2001.

* March 7, 2005: The DOJ replies to Hodes' November 17 appeal, admitting that it did possess records responsive to the request but that it could release the records because such a release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings." * January 26, 2005: The DOD advises Judicial Watch, Inc. that it possesses a videotape responsive to the December 15, 2004 request but declines to produce the videotape, citing U.S.C 552(b)(7)(A).
* March 8, 2005: Bingham's attorney files a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia stating that the FBI is in violation of the FOIA for "failing to adequately respond to plaintiff's FOIA request, including failing to adequately search for and release records that the plaintiff believes the agency is in possession of, and for failing to timely respond to the plaintiff's administrative appeal."
* April 18, 2005: The DOJ files a response to Bingham's March 8 lawsuit denying the plaintiff's request and asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiff's Complaint with prejudice.
* April 19, 2005: District Judge Paul L. Friedman orders the defendants to file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment in the case brought by Bingham on or before June 21, 2005.
* June 10, 2005: The DOD denies Judicial Watch's administrative appeal, claiming that the video is exempt as part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.
* August 1, 2005: Jeffrey D. Kahn, an attorney for the DOJ's Civil Division files a 23-page MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT. Scans of the document are posted on Flight77.info.
* August 29, 2005: Hodes files a Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment and a STATEMENT OF FACT ON WHICH THERE EXIST A GENUINE ISSUE TO BE LITIGATED in response to the DOJ's motion for summary judgment. * September 9, 2005: Kahn files a REPLY BRIEF IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
* September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Maguire also refers to "one videotape taken from a closed circuit television at a Doubletree Hotel in Arlington Virginia," but states that it did not show the impact of Flight 77.
* September 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire dated September 7, 2005.
* October 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
* October 24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's October 20 claim that its material is exempt.
* February 22, 2006: Judicial Watch, Inc. files a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against the Department of Defense for its refusal to disclose records sought under the FOIA request.
* May 5, 2006: Judge Friedman orders the defendants to show cause on or before May 26, 2006 why their motion for summary judgment should not be denied as moot, noting that the criminal proceedings against Moussaoui have ended.
* May 16, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains two videos from the DOD, and posts them on their website. The site is down for about half of the day due to demand. * September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack.
* December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4

References

1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]

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#1. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#0)

MIHOP bump

Lod  posted on  2010-08-03   17:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)

Confiscating videos is a sure sign they have something to hide. I mean, they must think we are all retarded or something. As soon as it happens they get the videos within minutes. Of course they were just waiting for the go-ahead to rush in and get the videos, who the heck else would even think about getting videos of the attack when they had hundreds already themselves! Those bastards are as guilty as hell. The electric chair is too good for these mass murderers.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-08-03   17:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#0)

REFERENCES:

1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]

Recursive (don't work)

2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]

Outdated data from nine years ago

3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]

Junk website

4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]

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Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.]

In effect, O_I, your thread agenda is just a shallow ring around the TWOOFER_FAERIE you know what..... your data sucks the BIG_ONE. However, in all fairness about security cameras ... do you know what their FPS is? I know what the Pentagon's is: 56FPS... now, I expect both references @ your 3 and 4 to be slower. Do you know what that means? Yes..... it *IS* probable they didn't capture a jet flying at 500MPH in any frame. Anyone want to debate?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-03   18:32:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, abraxas, FormerLurker, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, all (#3)

If the links are dead the links are dead. The article was written some time back.

So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain. Anyone can do a search and find fresh links. Likely the URL's may have changed in the last couple of years. However, that is a side issue and what you are attacking is a side issue i.e., a Strawman Argument because you cannot refute the information provided in the body of the article.

As is frequently the case you have no case.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-03   20:44:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, ALL (#4)

The article was written some time back.

Is this another apology? I am getting tired of catching some of you folks using old data to support a weak idea.

Can you find it within yourself to post up-todate data so as to show merit about your ideas? If not, don't post as I am tired of running down your crap finding dead-end streets that amount to nothing worthwhile in real time.

Please answer, "YES" or "NO" ... or don't bother replying.... I don't want to weed through more of your itemized blather just to find that you are not well researched.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-03   20:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: buckeroo (#3)

I know what the Pentagon's is: 56FPS...

How do you know this? What kind of equipment are they using?


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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   0:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#4)

If the links are dead the links are dead.

Only the first link is dead. The rest are fine. buckerooby just doesn't like them.


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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   0:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Critter (#6)

Standard equipment.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   0:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#8)

What is "standard equipment" and how do you know they use it?


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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   0:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Critter, Original_Intent (#7)

the first link is dead.

Gosh, golly, GEE-WHIZ ... give O_I a break will ya? His 75% ranking with the other four references are worthless.... as I already discussed.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   0:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Critter (#9)

Publick knowledge based upon the 5 frame shot released by DoD of and about AAFLT77 striking the Pentagon. Want a replay? And discussion of how only one frame caught a partial capture of the jet aircraft and the next frame, the fire ball?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   0:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

Publick knowledge

No, it's not public knowledge, and any number of combinations of equipment could account for the number of frames in the released video.

So tell me, how do you know what equipment the pentagon was using?


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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   0:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Critter (#12)

So tell me, how do you know what equipment the pentagon was using?

Publick knowledge as I already said. And for the gas stations and hotels.... they use inferior equipment.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   0:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeroo (#13)

You don't know shit.

Just tell me what kind of equipment is on display in this "publick knowledge"? I don't need brand names, just types.


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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   0:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Critter (#14)

You don't know shit.

When it comes to video media capability (and lots of data streaming @Gbytes/sec) you are out of your mind to challenge me on this.

What do you really want to learn this evening?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   0:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo (#15)

What do you really want to learn this evening?

How full of shit you really are.

I did CCTV systems for a quarter century. You can't bullshit me on this.

What type of equipment made those videos?


Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   0:45:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Critter (#16)

How full of shit you really are.

Now... settle down. You know me on a personal basis from years ago.

I did CCTV systems for a quarter century. You can't bullshit me on this.

Old technologies have been revamped through government contracts via the many government agencies that you vote for each and every year to save your hide.

What type of equipment made those videos?

Publick knowledge @56 fps.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   0:53:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Critter, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, bucktard, buckeroo, all (#7)

If the links are dead the links are dead.

Only the first link is dead. The rest are fine. buckerooby just doesn't like them.

Gee, why does that not surprise me.

Bucktard was asserting on another thread that all the videos had been released. This rebuts that claim so he is avoiding the admission. In other words he was lying on the other thread as the confiscated videos, with the exception of the one that Judicial Watch was able to squeeze out of them, are all of the rest of the 32 videos confiscated from sites around the Pentagram are still under lock and key buried away to ensure that no one can see them.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   1:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: buckeroo, Nostradumbass, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#10)

the first link is dead.

Gosh, golly, GEE-WHIZ ... give O_I a break will ya? His 75% ranking with the other four references are worthless.... as I already discussed.

No, not worthless. You have asserted that without providing any proof as to how they are so. In fact it is simply a logical fallacy you are asserting as the only point of the references is to show the original source of some of the material in the article. While it is regrettable that even one link is dead, and I did go do some searching - the site no longer even exists. Stuff happens. However, the point of your whining is simply to avoid the substance and point of the article i.e., THAT 9 YEARS AFTER THE FACT THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL SUPPRESSING EVIDENCE.

That is a curious datum and the point of posting the article.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   1:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#18)

... asserting on another thread that all the videos had been released.

Not true. I asserted that ALL material has been released back to the publick.

Can you ever get anything right the first time.... or do I have to perpetually correct you?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   1:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Original_Intent (#19)

You have asserted that without providing any proof as to how they are so.

Yes. That is true because your own REFERENCES SUCK. Please note: your ORIGINAL_INTENT thread is an ittsy-bitsy, teenie-weenie, little POS thread because you can't post FACT.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-04   1:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo, Nostradumbass, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#20)

And you have provided no proof of that assertion.

I have provided proof which is directly contrary to that assertion.

You are L-Y-I-N-G AS THE VIDEOS ARE STILL BEING WITHHELD AND THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS ARE STILL FORBIDDEN TO SPEAK.

There is nothing difficult about this.

You have made a false assertion about a state of fact for which you can provide no proof as it is a false assertion i.e., A LIE.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   2:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo, tom007, (#4)

If the links are dead the links are dead. The article was written some time back...Anyone can do a search and find fresh links

So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain.

So now even if no factual data is provided, an Argument Ad Hominem is deemed to have taken place because "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links."

Does this ploy apply to your searching for all the facts you've posted regarding Hanjour license piloting certification, and his physical presence on Flight 77 confirmed by passenger records and admissions of Arabs about helping him get ID that allowed him to get onto the airplane?

In other words, OInk was engaging in an Argumentum AD Hominem" because "anyone can do a search and find the fresh links" that you took the trouble to research then post?

Somehow I think OInk is going to come up with a reason why that is not actually true - because in this instance he will be on the receiving end of the Argumentum Ad Hominem charge.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-04   2:04:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: RickyJ (#2)

I mean, they must think we are all retarded or something.

"Videos? What videos? No you can't see the videos. There are no videos and if there were they would just show a 757 anyway. Go back to work serf."


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-04   2:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#3)

Outdated data from nine years ago

Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?

Does data expire after an amount of time in your world?


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-04   2:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine, HOUNDDAWG, buckeroo, FormerLurker, abraxas, James Deffenbach, all (#23)

OI If the links are dead the links are dead. The article was written some time back...Anyone can do a search and find fresh links

So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain.

AGA So now even if no factual data is provided, an Argument Ad Hominem is deemed to have taken place because "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links."

Does this ploy apply to your searching for all the facts you've posted regarding Hanjour license piloting certification, and his physical presence on Flight 77 confirmed by passenger records and admissions of Arabs about helping him get ID that allowed him to get onto the airplane?

In other words, OInk was engaging in an Argumentum AD Hominem" because "anyone can do a search and find the fresh links" that you took the trouble to research then post?

Somehow I think OInk is going to come up with a reason why that is not actually true - because in this instance he will be on the receiving end of the Argumentum Ad Hominem charge.

buck consistently attacks OI's character. He was just doing it on another thread a few minutes ago.

You seem to have a serious comprehension problem. Either that or your just simply dishonest. Or both.

OI never said that "an Argument Ad Hominem is deemed to have taken place because "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links"

OI is not "on the receiving end of the Argumentum Ad Hominem charge"

As usual you twist things around to suit your agenda.

This does not go unnoticed.

There are some good and great minds on this forum. OI is one of them.

For you to constantly badger him and use your logical fallacies against him in vain is disrespectful to him and the forum in general.

Is your purpose here to impede good debate? Cuz that's what it seems like.


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-04   2:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: wudidiz, Nostradumbass, Buckmonster Fullofit, James Deffenbach, Critter, FormerLurker, all (#25)

Outdated data from nine years ago

Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?

Does data expire after an amount of time in your world?

In that distorted 4 1/4 dimensional Wormhole Universe, lying somewhere between darkness and light, known as the Buckieverse data has an expiration date just like a sack of doughnuts. Along with the expiration of data is the expiration of reality. Reality is thus a rare commodity in the Buckieverse because it is completely expired.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   2:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wudidiz (#26)

Is your purpose here to impede good debate? Cuz that's what it seems like.

First, thank you for the kind words and stout defense.

Yes, it would seem, by all appearances and actions, that the worthy Ms./Mr. Bloviator is here to stifle debate and "catapult the propaganda".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   2:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#26)

buck consistently attacks OI's character. He was just doing it on another thread a few minutes ago.

Yeah, that's why OInk is constantly addressing buck as "bucktard," "Buckmonster Fullofit," and "Nostradumbass," and me by similarly unfavorable terms.

There are some good and great minds on this forum. OI is one of them.

For you to constantly badger him and use your logical fallacies against him in vain is disrespectful to him and the forum in general.

BWAHAHAHAHA. Sounds like you're spewing out one of the 25 Rules of Disinformation called "Appeal to Authority."

You really must really be a mental midget to allege OInk has any kind of intellectual capacity, other than to take 50 words to say incorrectly what 5 can do.

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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky

AGAviator  posted on  2010-08-04   3:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: AGAviator (#29)

No. To say buck or you shouldn't attack OI's character is not an appeal to authority.

To insult me doesn't really help you much either.


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-04   3:54:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#29)

buck consistently attacks OI's character. He was just doing it on another thread a few minutes ago.

Yeah, that's why OInk is constantly addressing buck as "bucktard," "Buckmonster Fullofit," and "Nostradumbass," and me by similarly unfavorable terms.

Only when first provoked. You two consistantly use ad hominems and derogatory language aimed at others with whom you disagree, or are paid to disagree with, and it is not I who threw the first stone. I just have better aim than you do.

When someone has to use a "BWAHAHAHAHA" they are generally advertising their attempt to degrade another and this is no exception.

Your grasp of logic would seem quite as good as your grasp of facts and their orderly arrangement into sound argument. Meaning of course no grip at all or at least no better than a pansy.

You really must really be a mental midget to allege OInk has any kind of intellectual capacity, other than to take 50 words to say incorrectly what 5 can do.

Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.

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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   3:58:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: wudidiz, AGAviator, all (#30)

No. To say buck or you shouldn't attack OI's character is not an appeal to authority.

To insult me doesn't really help you much either.

Not to worry. AGGravator is simply proving his inferiority by attempting to elevate herself by degrading others.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-04   4:02:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)

AGGravator is simply proving his inferiority by attempting to elevate herself by degrading others.

It only fools the dumb people and they don't count anyway.


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-04   4:15:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: wudidiz (#24)

"Videos? What videos? No you can't see the videos. There are no videos and if there were they would just show a 757 anyway. Go back to work serf."

I am sure they have taped over them by now to save money. They lost trillions, so they have to start saving to pay it back. :=) LOL!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-08-04   4:34:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: buckeroo (#17)

You know me on a personal basis from years ago.

You don't even resemble the buckeroo I knew from years ago.

You have dropped down on the credibility scale to below the level of a BeALoser type, which is pretty freeking low.


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Critter  posted on  2010-08-04   6:51:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#25)

Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?

Does data expire after an amount of time in your world?

You know, what it, that those in the liar movement think that the truth is "outdated crap."

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He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-04   7:24:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Original_Intent (#31)

Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.

That would be a big step up for him. I bet he has delusions of adequacy at times. In his reality-challenged "mind" (such as it is), he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-04   7:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: wudidiz (#25)

Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?

Kind of like the outdated laws of physics these Israeli liars like to use for 9/11.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-08-04   7:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Critter (#35)

You don't even resemble the buckeroo I knew from years ago.

You have dropped down on the credibility scale to below the level of a BeALoser type, which is pretty freeking low.

Yep. And defends the government just like BeALoser.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-04   7:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: buckeroo, Critter (#17)

What type of equipment made those videos?

Publick knowledge @56 fps.

A typical video surveillance system can run from 30 FPS to 480 FPS.

Where are you pulling this 56 FPS figure from?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-04   8:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: James Deffenbach, Critter (#39)

Yep. And defends the government just like BeALoser.

BAC was a bit more on the ball though...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-08-04   8:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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