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Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack
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911 Research
URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: Not Given
Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact
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Comments: 193
The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. As of May, 2006, the only video footage of the crash that has been released are clips from two Pentagon security cameras north of the crash site, one the source of 5 frames leaked in 2002. With the release of the two video clips, the Pentagon claims to have supplied all of the footage it has of the attack. Although the number and positions of security cameras monitoring the Pentagon is not public knowledge, it seems unlikely that only two security cameras captured the attack. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of security cameras ringing the huge building that is the heart of the United States military establishment? Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized The Sheraton National Hotel may be the hotel from which the FBI seized a CCTV recording. Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those recordings, if they still exist, might provide decisive evidence about the attack. * The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 * The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 The NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station is just under the flightpath of the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack. In addition it is likely there is other video footage that was either destroyed or is being withheld, given that the trajectory of the attack plane took it low over a large part of Arlington, Virginia. Lawsuits to Obtain Videos At least two plaintiffs have attempted to obtain videos seized by the FBI, using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The first, documented at Flight77.info, began with a request to the FBI in October of 2004. The second, undertaken by the Judicial Watch, Inc. began with a request to the Department of Defense (DOD) in December of 2004. Following is a timeline of the requests and subsequent lawsuits. Entries relating to the second case are distinguished with dates colored gray. * October 14, 2004: Scott A. Hodes, on behalf of his client Scott Bingham, sends a request to David Hardy of the FBI requesting any videos "that may have captured the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001". The request letter mentions videotapes from the Citgo Gas Station and the Sheraton National Hotel. (1) Video camera recordings obtained by federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from a Nexcomm/Citgo gas station in the vicinity of the Pentagon on or about September 11, 2001. (2) Pentagon security video camera recording(s) showing Flight 77 strike and/or hit and/or crash into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. (3) Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) video camera recording(s) obtained by any federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from the Virginia Department of Transportation ("VDOT") and/or the VDOT "Smart Traffic Center" on or about September 11, 2001. References 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
* November 3, 2004: The FBI replies to Bingham's request stating that their search "revealed no record responsive to your FOIA request".
* November 17, 2004: Hodes files an appeal of Bingham's FOIA request with the U.S Department of Justice (DOJ), citing evidence that the videotapes mentioned in the original request exist.
* December 15, 2004: Christopher J. Farrell of Judicial Watch, Inc. writes to James Hogan in the Office of Freedom of Information/Security Review of the DOD requesting that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DOD, and FBI produce:
any and all agency records concerning, relating to, or reflecting the following subjects:
* March 7, 2005: The DOJ replies to Hodes' November 17 appeal, admitting that it did possess records responsive to the request but that it could release the records because such a release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings." * January 26, 2005: The DOD advises Judicial Watch, Inc. that it possesses a videotape responsive to the December 15, 2004 request but declines to produce the videotape, citing U.S.C 552(b)(7)(A).
* March 8, 2005: Bingham's attorney files a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia stating that the FBI is in violation of the FOIA for "failing to adequately respond to plaintiff's FOIA request, including failing to adequately search for and release records that the plaintiff believes the agency is in possession of, and for failing to timely respond to the plaintiff's administrative appeal."
* April 18, 2005: The DOJ files a response to Bingham's March 8 lawsuit denying the plaintiff's request and asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiff's Complaint with prejudice.
* April 19, 2005: District Judge Paul L. Friedman orders the defendants to file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment in the case brought by Bingham on or before June 21, 2005.
* June 10, 2005: The DOD denies Judicial Watch's administrative appeal, claiming that the video is exempt as part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.
* August 1, 2005: Jeffrey D. Kahn, an attorney for the DOJ's Civil Division files a 23-page MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT. Scans of the document are posted on Flight77.info.
* August 29, 2005: Hodes files a Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment and a STATEMENT OF FACT ON WHICH THERE EXIST A GENUINE ISSUE TO BE LITIGATED in response to the DOJ's motion for summary judgment. * September 9, 2005: Kahn files a REPLY BRIEF IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
* September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Maguire also refers to "one videotape taken from a closed circuit television at a Doubletree Hotel in Arlington Virginia," but states that it did not show the impact of Flight 77.
* September 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire dated September 7, 2005.
* October 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
* October 24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's October 20 claim that its material is exempt.
* February 22, 2006: Judicial Watch, Inc. files a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against the Department of Defense for its refusal to disclose records sought under the FOIA request.
* May 5, 2006: Judge Friedman orders the defendants to show cause on or before May 26, 2006 why their motion for summary judgment should not be denied as moot, noting that the criminal proceedings against Moussaoui have ended.
* May 16, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains two videos from the DOD, and posts them on their website. The site is down for about half of the day due to demand. * September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack.
* December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]
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#112. To: Critter (#110)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And you know this speculation to be a fact how? From being able to read grown-up reports instead of comic book web k00ktheories. Shill to English Translation: No response - just a vague and unsubstantiated reiteration of the "Official Fairy Tale™".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It is your fellow Half Tw00fer OInk who explicitly states - when found with zero working links giving supporting data - that it's irrelevant, because the links already exist, and anybody can find them so he doesn't really have to support anything he says.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OInk says: "No links, no problem. They're out there somewhere" "If the links are dead the links are dead." ""So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain. "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links. "Likely the URL's may have changed Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-03 20:44:46 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not true. Guess what that statement makes you look like besides irrational. Can you spell l-i-a-r? Better if you recant and quickly.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Posting some cartoon based on the official lie doesn't address the fact that the ultimate authority in plane crashes says the plane followed a different path. The official FDR data contradicts the official fairy tale. Why is that? Just answer the question shill.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#113. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, AGSpincycle, AGovernmentShill, tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#109)
So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process.
#114. To: IRTorqued, buckeroo, turtle (#103)
that is a whole lot of verbiage to tell us that you, bucky and the rest of the liar movement have nothing.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#115. To: Oink, buckeroo, turtle, red007 (#113)
(Edited)
Shill to English Translation: No response -
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#116. To: AGAviator (#114)
when found with zero working links giving supporting data
#117. To: AGAviator (#112)
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#118. To: Critter, buckeroo, (#117)
So there will be no arm-waving, post your word for word "Official FDR Data," then post your word for word "Official Fairy Tale." From official sources, verbatim. All you've produced up to now is a bunch allegations and hot air.
The official FDR data contradicts the official fairy tale. Why is that?
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#119. To: GreyLmist, buckeroo, turtle, red007 (#116)
when found with zero working links giving supporting data That's not true. Guess what that statement makes you look like besides irrational The statement was made that it is not neccesary to produce working sources because they're out there somewhere. That's not true.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#120. To: Original_Intent (#93)
Has to be more "Magic(k)." What else could account for it? We have heard now about Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™, Magic(k)al Windows™, Magic(k)al plane wings that fold back into the fuselage™ and Magic(k)al Jet Engines™ that liquefy and disappear when they hit highly reinforced walls. Seems like a lot of Magic(k) going on.
C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#121. To: IRTorqued (#96)
It would be wise not to stand on one foot and hold your breath waiting for the government to tell the truth about 9/11. Too many high ranking people would be charged and convicted of treason and murder.
I don't expect them to release anything they have whipped up until they are sure they have taken care of all the loose ends.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#122. To: IRTorqued (#104)
A "debate" with yukon and maddog--the mind boggles at the thought of such a thing, especially losing a debate with one or both of them.
the best AGovshill has done is second place and that was a debate with ewecon and then he dropped to third place when maddoggie chimed in.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#123. To: AGAviator, GreyLmist, Original_Intent, all (#119)
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#124. To: James Deffenbach (#120)
Has to be more "Magic(k)." What else could account for it? We have heard now about Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™, Magic(k)al Windows™, Magic(k)al plane wings that fold back into the fuselage™ and Magic(k)al Jet Engines™ that liquefy and disappear when they hit highly reinforced walls. Seems like a lot of Magic(k) going on. Yes, Osama and the 19 Stooges seem to have had vast Magickal powers at their disposal. Osama waves the Magick Cellphone® and look at what happens? Three skyscrapers fall down no less, NORAD is struck with the stoopids, and PNAC is given their "new Pearl Harbor". WWHS? (What Would Houdini Say?)
C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#125. To: James Deffenbach, IRTorqued (#122)
A "debate" with yukon and maddog--the mind boggles at the thought of such a thing, especially losing a debate with one or both of them. Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
the best AGovshill has done is second place and that was a debate with ewecon and then he dropped to third place when maddoggie chimed in.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#126. To: AGAviator (#115)
I am not going to be drawn into a mud slinging exchange. Please to go fuck yourself. You are not really even worthy of the time it takes to dismiss you.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#127. To: AGAviator (#89)
Well that's odd, since it was supposed to be Flight 77 which hit the Pentagon, not Flight 11.
Because even though the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: OInk, buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#126)
Unlike you I don't circle jerk over 8+ years of worthless useless k00kfodder. Since you are the one always initiating these exchanges you are claiming you will no longer address anything to me. Something....makes me think you are lying - again. In any case, your lie is now bookmarked. I am not going to be drawn into a mud slinging exchange
Please to go fuck yourself.
You are not really even worthy of the time it takes to dismiss you.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#129. To: AGAviator (#128)
He lost his own thread using old links PROVEN to be out of date. And he ended it using profane language.
Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack Source: 911 Research URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html Published: Aug 3, 2010 Author: Not Given Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact Views: 580 Comments: 128
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#130. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, all (#129) (Edited)
1 out 4 footnote links was a dead link. Once again you lie and misrepresent. And NEVER have you addressed nor refuted any of the listed data in the article. Instead your entire repetoire is to build a Strawman Argument to divert from the substance of the article which totally refutes your claim, on another thread, that all of the videos taken from cameras surrounding the Pentagram had been released and convincingly proves it FALSE. You are a L-I-A-R and are proven so by YOUR OWN WORDS.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#131. To: buckeroo, AGAviator (#129)
One of four links didn't work. Why do you two continue to lie about it and make THIS a huge issue.....when it's actually NOTHING? I think because you don't have anything of value to add to the conversation or because you get paid to distract, divert and dispense of disinformation.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#132. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#130)
Once again you lie and misrepresent. Sorry Charlie, ALL of them were... earliest 2002 to latest 2005. Name one that were within the past TWO years. You have an epitaph now: 1 out 4 footnote links was out of date.
Original_Intent lost his own thread using old links PROVEN to be out of date. And he ended it using profane language.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#133. To: buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#129)
Well, you know the drill. Start another thread, repeating the same bull$hit, the same attacks, the same hot air, with the same circle of 5-10 participators.
He lost his own thread using old links PROVEN to be out of date. And he ended it using profane language
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#134. To: buckeroo, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#132)
So, in what way does that prove anything false? Does the fact that a reference was written in 1942 prove that WWII did not occur? Does the fact that a reference was written in 1935 prove that the Titanic did not sink? Your logic, as usual, is perfect. Perfectly invalid and false. You are attempting to lie again. Your Strawman has been burned so you respond with not facts to counter the article but instead resort to a personal attack i.e., Argumentum Ad Hominem.
Sorry Charlie, ALL of them were... earliest 2002 to latest 2005. Name one that were within the past TWO years.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#135. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#131)
The issue that I explicitly addressed was not the non working links. But the explicit OInk declaration stating that providing working links isn't important , because the links are already out there in cyberspace somewhere, therefore it is a "Strawman personal ad hominem" to even point out the existence of nonworking links on replying posts.
One of four links didn't work. Why do you two continue to lie about it and make THIS a huge issue
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#136. To: AGAviator (#133)
I really enjoy the constant change of venue on a single thread discussing a topic by the TWOOFER_FAERIES™. It just adds to the drama, the spin and the BS... to stay on topic. Lets' get back to basics: FACTS, DATA, WITNESSES, EVIDENCE. All I need is one little piece of data to climb with my automated webcrawlers .... to see if there is any reason about this stuff. This thread is busted.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#137. To: AGAviator, buckaroo (#133)
Start another thread, repeating the same bull$hit, the same attacks, the same hot air, with the same circle of 5-10 participators. Yeah, then you can rush in a post your cartoon video for the umpteenth time, as if the lot of us haven't seen that enough, along with ALL the other videos in your collection that you post OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again. As if posting it ONE more time will make an itoa of difference when it has failed every other time. On the new thread, Buckie will rush to be the FIRST to post, then the two of you will take up the bulk of the space repeating the same BS, the same attacks, the same hot air, whining, sniveling, bitching, back biting and bloviating. Then, the two of you will lament that this last thread was almost "stellar" ad nauseum. Yes, I think we all know the drill.
Well, you know the drill.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#138. To: Original_Intent (#125)
He aspires to be as intelligent as an average kindergarten student. Probably some beyond his reach though.
Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#139. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, AGSpincycle, AGovernmentShill, tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, Critter, Dakmar, HOUNDDAWG, all (#135)
But the explicit OInk declaration stating that providing working links isn't important , because the links are already out there in cyberspace somewhere, therefore it is a "Strawman personal ad hominem" to even point out the existence of nonworking links on replying posts. And that in what disproves the thesis and data in the article? You are again engaging in a disinformation ploy, a variation on Argumentum Ad Hominem, by attempting to make me, and personal attacks on me, the issue and thus attempting to obscure and avoid the issues which are not a dead link in a footnote but the FACT that, with one exception which is inconclusive, ALL of the videos illegally confiscated by the FBI on the afternoon of 911 are NINE YEARS LATER still being suppressed and hidden away. Further, NINE YEARS AFTER THE FACT OF 911 the AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS are still being prevented from speaking because of a GAG ORDER. Neither you nor Buckmonster Fullofit will address directly and forthrightly the issues. Instead you engage in spin, avoidance, obfuscation, and personal attacks. That two such low lives as yourselves would be detailed to a small discussion forum to disrupt discussion of the criminal acts of your masters tells how very much true the fact that 911 is still alive as an issue and that the main government, and behind the scenes, players are still scared shitless that the general public will show up at their door with a nice stout piece of rope.
The issue that I explicitly addressed was not the non working links.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#140. To: Original_Intent (#134)
Old links? Stale data? Stinky, pal. You have lied to the forum intentionally BECAUSE you can't find refreshing or new or invigorating information to support a silly and speculative idea you hold. You were busted many posts up.
So, in what way does that prove anything false?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#141. To: abraxas (#137)
Then, the two of you will lament that this last thread was almost "stellar" ad nauseum.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#142. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, christine, AGBloviator, all (#136)
Just as in your first post on this thread you repeat the same false Argumentum Ad Hominem tactic in an attempt to divert from the fact that neither you nor bloviator have at any time on this thread disproved ANY element in the original article beginning this thread. Instead you chuckle like a hyena congratulating each other on your brilliance in avoiding any issue which shows that your primary stock in trade are lies, diversions, and misrepresentations.
I really enjoy the constant change of venue on a single thread discussing a topic by the TWOOFER_FAERIES™. It just adds to the drama, the spin and the BS... to stay on topic.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#143. To: James Deffenbach (#141)
lol......great visual. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#144. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, christine, AGBloviator, all (#140)
You have lied to the forum intentionally BECAUSE you can't find refreshing or new or invigorating information to support a silly and speculative idea you hold. So, again you avoid the issues and resort to Argumentum Ad Hominem and resort to disinformation ploys to obscure the FACT that you are a LIAR and are absolutely and completely avoiding like the plague addressing any of the data in the article. Tell us buckster does something become untrue merely because of the passage of time? Is 2+2 no longer 4 merely because it was first computed eons ago? Has the Constitution become invalid because of age. Your argument is a diversion and is a false attempt to avoid addressing the issues but to instead divert with irrelevancies and personal attacks. You are engaging in disinformation tactics. Why do you find in necessary to engage in disinformation, avoidance, and spin?
Old links? Stale data? Stinky, pal.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#145. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#142)
Just one minor, teenie-weenie, little ittsy-bitsy tiny, microscopic detail, O_I. You have presented no relevant or up-to-date FACTS. Again, you have lied to the forum.
Just as in your first post on this thread you repeat the same false Argumentum Ad Hominem tactic in an attempt to divert from the fact that neither you nor bloviator have at any time on this thread disproved ANY element in the original article beginning this thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#146. To: abraxas (#143)
Now maybe aggravator and buck will have something to look at while they are whining about locked threads, locked threads which they themselves caused. But what was truly funny was that thread buck started and in which he got his butt handed to him over and over and over. It was beautiful.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#147. To: buckeroo, christine, Original_Intent (#145)
This from a shill who continues to push the government theory established in 2001 while preaching his sermon from the NIST bible and pretending it contains facts.
Just one minor, teenie-weenie, little ittsy-bitsy tiny, microscopic detail, O_I. You have presented no relevant or up-to-date FACTS.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#148. To: James Deffenbach, AGBloviator, all (#138)
He aspires to be as intelligent as an average kindergarten student. Probably some beyond his reach though. Given his reliance on argumentum ad hominem, diversion, misrepresentation, and cut and paste one might reasonably conclude so.
Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#149. To: Original_Intent (#148)
They (aggravator and buck) went directly to pounding the table instead of trying to argue facts and/or the law, neither of which is on their side.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#150. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#142)
I assume you are conditioned by James, AB, and a few others to chime in to aid your stinky efforts. I don't or ever have agreed with anyone here or anywhere unless they are supported by FACTS. Unlike yourself, I don't need a slap on the back because of a post. As you told AG: go FUCK YOURSELF.
nstead you chuckle like a hyena congratulating each other on your brilliance in avoiding any issue which shows that your primary stock in trade are lies, diversions, and misrepresentations.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#151. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine (#150)
You love facts so much, you dance around them as if they were hot coals. Where are the Pentagon roof cam videos? Where are the Virginia Department of Transportation tapes? Those tapes have NOT been made public, and would definitively prove one way or another what exactly happened at the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. Why are they still not being made available, 9 years after the fact?
I don't or ever have agreed with anyone here or anywhere unless they are supported by FACTS. Unlike yourself, I don't need a slap on the back because of a post
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#152. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine (#151)
Let's play cards, partner. Got any FACTS? Or are ya just bluffing again?
You love facts so much, you dance around them as if they were hot coals.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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