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Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack
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URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html
Published: Aug 3, 2010
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Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact
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The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. As of May, 2006, the only video footage of the crash that has been released are clips from two Pentagon security cameras north of the crash site, one the source of 5 frames leaked in 2002. With the release of the two video clips, the Pentagon claims to have supplied all of the footage it has of the attack. Although the number and positions of security cameras monitoring the Pentagon is not public knowledge, it seems unlikely that only two security cameras captured the attack. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of security cameras ringing the huge building that is the heart of the United States military establishment? Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized The Sheraton National Hotel may be the hotel from which the FBI seized a CCTV recording. Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those recordings, if they still exist, might provide decisive evidence about the attack. * The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 * The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 The NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station is just under the flightpath of the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack. In addition it is likely there is other video footage that was either destroyed or is being withheld, given that the trajectory of the attack plane took it low over a large part of Arlington, Virginia. Lawsuits to Obtain Videos At least two plaintiffs have attempted to obtain videos seized by the FBI, using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The first, documented at Flight77.info, began with a request to the FBI in October of 2004. The second, undertaken by the Judicial Watch, Inc. began with a request to the Department of Defense (DOD) in December of 2004. Following is a timeline of the requests and subsequent lawsuits. Entries relating to the second case are distinguished with dates colored gray. * October 14, 2004: Scott A. Hodes, on behalf of his client Scott Bingham, sends a request to David Hardy of the FBI requesting any videos "that may have captured the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001". The request letter mentions videotapes from the Citgo Gas Station and the Sheraton National Hotel. (1) Video camera recordings obtained by federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from a Nexcomm/Citgo gas station in the vicinity of the Pentagon on or about September 11, 2001. (2) Pentagon security video camera recording(s) showing Flight 77 strike and/or hit and/or crash into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. (3) Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) video camera recording(s) obtained by any federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from the Virginia Department of Transportation ("VDOT") and/or the VDOT "Smart Traffic Center" on or about September 11, 2001. References 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
* November 3, 2004: The FBI replies to Bingham's request stating that their search "revealed no record responsive to your FOIA request".
* November 17, 2004: Hodes files an appeal of Bingham's FOIA request with the U.S Department of Justice (DOJ), citing evidence that the videotapes mentioned in the original request exist.
* December 15, 2004: Christopher J. Farrell of Judicial Watch, Inc. writes to James Hogan in the Office of Freedom of Information/Security Review of the DOD requesting that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DOD, and FBI produce:
any and all agency records concerning, relating to, or reflecting the following subjects:
* March 7, 2005: The DOJ replies to Hodes' November 17 appeal, admitting that it did possess records responsive to the request but that it could release the records because such a release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings." * January 26, 2005: The DOD advises Judicial Watch, Inc. that it possesses a videotape responsive to the December 15, 2004 request but declines to produce the videotape, citing U.S.C 552(b)(7)(A).
* March 8, 2005: Bingham's attorney files a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia stating that the FBI is in violation of the FOIA for "failing to adequately respond to plaintiff's FOIA request, including failing to adequately search for and release records that the plaintiff believes the agency is in possession of, and for failing to timely respond to the plaintiff's administrative appeal."
* April 18, 2005: The DOJ files a response to Bingham's March 8 lawsuit denying the plaintiff's request and asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiff's Complaint with prejudice.
* April 19, 2005: District Judge Paul L. Friedman orders the defendants to file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment in the case brought by Bingham on or before June 21, 2005.
* June 10, 2005: The DOD denies Judicial Watch's administrative appeal, claiming that the video is exempt as part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.
* August 1, 2005: Jeffrey D. Kahn, an attorney for the DOJ's Civil Division files a 23-page MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT. Scans of the document are posted on Flight77.info.
* August 29, 2005: Hodes files a Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment and a STATEMENT OF FACT ON WHICH THERE EXIST A GENUINE ISSUE TO BE LITIGATED in response to the DOJ's motion for summary judgment. * September 9, 2005: Kahn files a REPLY BRIEF IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
* September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Maguire also refers to "one videotape taken from a closed circuit television at a Doubletree Hotel in Arlington Virginia," but states that it did not show the impact of Flight 77.
* September 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire dated September 7, 2005.
* October 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
* October 24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's October 20 claim that its material is exempt.
* February 22, 2006: Judicial Watch, Inc. files a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against the Department of Defense for its refusal to disclose records sought under the FOIA request.
* May 5, 2006: Judge Friedman orders the defendants to show cause on or before May 26, 2006 why their motion for summary judgment should not be denied as moot, noting that the criminal proceedings against Moussaoui have ended.
* May 16, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains two videos from the DOD, and posts them on their website. The site is down for about half of the day due to demand. * September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack.
* December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]
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#144. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, christine, AGBloviator, all (#140)
You have lied to the forum intentionally BECAUSE you can't find refreshing or new or invigorating information to support a silly and speculative idea you hold. So, again you avoid the issues and resort to Argumentum Ad Hominem and resort to disinformation ploys to obscure the FACT that you are a LIAR and are absolutely and completely avoiding like the plague addressing any of the data in the article. Tell us buckster does something become untrue merely because of the passage of time? Is 2+2 no longer 4 merely because it was first computed eons ago? Has the Constitution become invalid because of age. Your argument is a diversion and is a false attempt to avoid addressing the issues but to instead divert with irrelevancies and personal attacks. You are engaging in disinformation tactics. Why do you find in necessary to engage in disinformation, avoidance, and spin?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Just one minor, teenie-weenie, little ittsy-bitsy tiny, microscopic detail, O_I. You have presented no relevant or up-to-date FACTS. Again, you have lied to the forum.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Now maybe aggravator and buck will have something to look at while they are whining about locked threads, locked threads which they themselves caused. But what was truly funny was that thread buck started and in which he got his butt handed to him over and over and over. It was beautiful.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This from a shill who continues to push the government theory established in 2001 while preaching his sermon from the NIST bible and pretending it contains facts.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
He aspires to be as intelligent as an average kindergarten student. Probably some beyond his reach though. Given his reliance on argumentum ad hominem, diversion, misrepresentation, and cut and paste one might reasonably conclude so.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
They (aggravator and buck) went directly to pounding the table instead of trying to argue facts and/or the law, neither of which is on their side.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I assume you are conditioned by James, AB, and a few others to chime in to aid your stinky efforts. I don't or ever have agreed with anyone here or anywhere unless they are supported by FACTS. Unlike yourself, I don't need a slap on the back because of a post. As you told AG: go FUCK YOURSELF.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You love facts so much, you dance around them as if they were hot coals. Where are the Pentagon roof cam videos? Where are the Virginia Department of Transportation tapes? Those tapes have NOT been made public, and would definitively prove one way or another what exactly happened at the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. Why are they still not being made available, 9 years after the fact?
Let's play cards, partner. Got any FACTS? Or are ya just bluffing again?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
I call your BLUFF buck......
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I asked a question. Where are those Pentagon roof cam videos, and the Virginia Department of Transportation videos? You know, the videos THESE Pentagon cameras would have taken; And here are a few views of what the Virginia DOT cameras would have seen; Good questions. Yet your dialog does not lead to discovery of or about anything worth a grain of salt. In effect, pal, your pants are pulled-offed within the publick domain. I don't believe in government possessing ALL these infinite capabilities, as yourself.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Where is the Citgo station video from the camera facing the Pentagon? Huh? So where are those videos? Why are they being withheld?
They don't exist, pal.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
It's almost as if they don't want us to see them...... would they do that?
So you're saying they were destroyed, right?
They never existed. Your assumptions make ALL this stuff up.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
would they do that? I think we all know the answer to that... According to buck, they don't exist anymore.
Exactly.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Yeah all this is made up. It's just a big fabrication to give us an excuse to argue with you on the Internet. /s
Oh yes they did. The VDOT videos were confiscated within minutes after the explosion, the Citgo station videos within minutes as well, and for certain the Pentagon camera videos have been kept under lock and seal.
Me: According to buck, they don't exist anymore. You: Exactly. So now you admit that they once existed. Which one is it, are you saying those tapes were destroyed, or do they still exist?
Only for official government purposes for investigation about one of the most serious crimes EVER perpetrated on US soil. ALL material has been properly released back to the rightful owners hands.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
So you're saying that the Virginia Department of Transportation has been given their videos back? Got proof? Or that the videos belonging to the Citgo station have been returned to the Citgo station owners? Got proof? Since the Pentagon cameras were US Government property, they obviously still have THOSE. So why aren't any of those videos being made public?
Or that the videos belonging to the Citgo station have been returned to the Citgo station owners? Got proof? I am not chasing after your WILD claims anymore for presentation wherein I have categorically beaten you to a pulp (or AGAviator for that matter) on earlier threads dealing with these matters. You PROVE your silly claim.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
You PROVE your silly claim. So in other words, you have no proof, have made wild unsubstantiated claims, feigned to have knowledge you don't have, and in general, are only here to annoy. Videos were confiscated, and there is no record of them ever being returned or shown to the public. You are claiming they were, so YOU need to prove that is true, not I.
(1) It hasn't even taken a half day for you to make yourself a liar saying you're not going to reply to me. (2) You're making allegations of conspiracy without real substantiation, playing the victim when you get called on it. Pathetic loser. The codependents of the USG who have been distracting from real here and now issues are going to face the business end of the rope first. Taking discussions into 8 year old whodunits instead of doing what we need to do here and now, and calling anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with their k00kology - even an astronaut like Buzz Aldrin - all kinds of names, is not going to sit well with the general public if and when it ever does wake up.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How about that? You have PROVEN YOUR worth on these threads. You are a nice lad.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Why don't you help out buck and tell me why those Pentagon camera videos haven't been shown to the public, nor has the Citgo gas station video from the camera facing the Pentagon, nor have those videos that the Virginia Deparment of Transportation cameras recorded on the morning of September 11, 2001. I'm sure you'd like to tell us the answer to that. So go ahead and fill everyone in on what happened to those videos.
I suppose no one had the money within the tax base to buy a PERFECT camera for a snapshot of terrorists.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
More diversion, Buckie. You are so obvious.......yet, you think of yourself as so sly. lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Careful, he will start hollering STELLA at you!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Any of those cameras I listed would have recorded what hit the Pentagon. There is no reason not to show those videos if they recorded what is claimed to have occured. However, it's quite obvious why they would NOT be released if they recorded something OTHER than what is officially claimed.
What happened on 9/11 is the CAUSE of many of those issues, and used as the justification. So we need to determine what exactly DID occur on 9/11 to examine whether or not we need to persue a different course of action as a nation. If there were in fact a global conspiracy, well, it's not much different from the "OFFICIAL" story, it's just WHO is behind that global conspiracy that is contention.
So we need to determine what exactly DID occur on 9/11 to examine whether or not we need to persue a different course of action as a nation. More than a quarter of the public believes that certain elements within the USG allowed 911 to happen without actually getting their own hands dirty, because they had some willing adversaries in the OBL camp who had killed Americans before and who would kill Americans again. Instead of going with that and coming up with a plan of action, the CT's want to spend additional years trying to prove the unprovable. Led by a parade of $hit for brains pseudo scientists like Jones and Harritt, who can't even provide any detailed and specific theories of their own, while trashing accomplished people like Thomas Eagar and Noam Chomsky. These tactics place the CT's squarely in the obstructionist camp, and nothing good will ever come of them.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have you ever considered that the recording system was destroyed at the moment of impact?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Pointing out discrepencies in the official story is the only way to prove something other than what is claimed to have happened actually happened. Since what is claimed to have happened cannot possibily happened as explained by the "official story", two things become obvious; A) Something other than what is claimed to have happened did in fact happen. B) The US government and the tightly controlled media are complicit in the COVERUP of what actually happpened. One facet of the PROOF of an ongoing coverup is the failure to release the videos I earlier listed, which are; 1) The Pentagon roof camera videos 2) The Virginia Department of Transportation videos 3) The Citgo gas station video from the camera facing the Pentagon However you wish to spin it, if there were nothing to hide, then those videos would be out in the public domain. I think I'll let you sit and think about that long and hard. Decide for yourself if you wish to continue with the ongoing support of that coverup.
More BS. What happened on 911 was a symptom of and about America's continuing dwindling world stature that has been sliding since the War between the North & the South. More BS. 911 was a hickup about a GREAT nation which clearly showed a stupid People voting for anyone giving the world nothing more than what America is BEST to produce: WAR. You need principles within the body politick from way back within the PEOPLE. And there aren't any.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
For all three Pentagon roof top cameras? There would be no need to locate recording equipment anywhere near those cameras, in fact, since ALL sides of the Pentagon are equipped with cameras, the location of the actual monitoring node could be anywhere within the Pentagon since the videos are probably transmitted over a network once being digitized. However, the netwok control center would more than likely be deep within the Pentagon, and the files stored on a secure server. In the absence of any official word on what happened to those videos, one would have to assume that they still exist.
How do you know what is most likely? Are you an official?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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#145. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#142)
Just as in your first post on this thread you repeat the same false Argumentum Ad Hominem tactic in an attempt to divert from the fact that neither you nor bloviator have at any time on this thread disproved ANY element in the original article beginning this thread.
#146. To: abraxas (#143)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#147. To: buckeroo, christine, Original_Intent (#145)
Just one minor, teenie-weenie, little ittsy-bitsy tiny, microscopic detail, O_I. You have presented no relevant or up-to-date FACTS.
#148. To: James Deffenbach, AGBloviator, all (#138)
Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
#149. To: Original_Intent (#148)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#150. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#142)
nstead you chuckle like a hyena congratulating each other on your brilliance in avoiding any issue which shows that your primary stock in trade are lies, diversions, and misrepresentations.
#151. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine (#150)
I don't or ever have agreed with anyone here or anywhere unless they are supported by FACTS. Unlike yourself, I don't need a slap on the back because of a post
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#152. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine (#151)
You love facts so much, you dance around them as if they were hot coals.
#153. To: buckeroo (#152)
Let's play cards, partner
#154. To: buckeroo (#152)
(Edited)
Let's play cards, partner. Got any FACTS? Or are ya just bluffing again?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker (#154)
Where are those Pentagon roof cam videos, and the Virginia Department of Transportation videos?
#156. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, abraxas, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, IRTorqued, GreyLmist (#152)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: buckeroo (#155)
Good questions. Yet your dialog does not lead to discovery of or about anything worth a grain of salt. In effect, pal, your pants are pulled-offed within the publick domain.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: FormerLurker (#157)
So where are those videos? Why are they being withheld?
#159. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, abraxas, James Deffenbach (#157)
So where are those videos? Why are they being withheld?
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#160. To: buckeroo (#158)
They don't exist, pal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#161. To: FormerLurker (#160)
#162. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, abraxas, James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#159)
It's almost as if they don't want us to see them......
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#162)
According to buck, they don't exist anymore.
#164. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker (#161)
They never existed. Your assumptions make ALL this stuff up.
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#165. To: buckeroo (#161)
(Edited)
They never existed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: buckeroo, wudidiz, Original_Intent (#163)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#165)
The VDOT videos were confiscated within minutes after the explosion, the Citgo station videos within minutes as well, and for certain the Pentagon cameras videos have been kept under lock and seal.
#168. To: buckeroo (#167)
Only for official government purposes for investigation about one of the most serious crimes EVER perpetrated on US soil. ALL material has been properly released back to the rightful owners hands.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#168)
So you're saying that the Virginia Department of Transportation has been given their videos back? Got proof?
#170. To: buckeroo, All (#169)
I am not chasing after your WILD claims anymore for presentation wherein I have categorically beaten you to a pulp (or AGAviator for that matter) on earlier threads dealing with these matters.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: O_Ink, buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#139)
(Edited)
You are again engaging in a disinformation ploy, a variation on Argumentum Ad Hominem, by attempting to make me, and personal attacks on me, the issue and thus attempting to obscure and avoid the issues which are not a dead link in a footnote but the FACT that, with one exception which is inconclusive, ALL of the videos illegally confiscated by the FBI on the afternoon of 911 are NINE YEARS LATER still being suppressed and hidden away
That two such low lives as yourselves would be detailed to a small discussion forum to disrupt discussion of the criminal acts of your masters tells how very much true the fact that 911 is still alive as an issue and that the main government, and behind the scenes, players are still scared shitless that the general public will show up at their door with a nice stout piece of rope.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#172. To: FormerLurker (#170)
Videos were confiscated, and there is no record of them ever being returned or shown to the public. You are claiming they were, so YOU need to prove that is true, not I.
#173. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle, abraxas, Original_Intent, RickyJ, IRTorqued, ALL (#171)
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#174. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#173)
Why don't you help out buck and tell me why those Pentagon camera videos haven't been shown to the public
#175. To: buckeroo (#174)
#176. To: abraxas (#175)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#177. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, ALL (#174)
I suppose no one had the money within the tax base to buy a PERFECT camera for a snapshot of terrorists.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#178. To: AGAviator (#171)
The codependents of the USG who have been distracting from real here and now issues are going to face the business end of the rope first.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#178)
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What happened on 9/11 is the CAUSE of many of those issues, and used as the justification.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#180. To: FormerLurker (#177)
Any of those cameras I listed would have recorded what hit the Pentagon.
#181. To: AGAviator (#179)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#182. To: FormerLurker (#178)
What happened on 9/11 is the CAUSE of many of those issues, and used as the justification.
So we need to determine what exactly DID occur on 9/11 to examine whether or not we need to persue [speiling error] a different course of action as a nation.
If there were in fact a global conspiracy, well, it's not much different from the "OFFICIAL" story, it's just WHO is behind that global conspiracy that is contention.
#183. To: buckeroo (#180)
Have you ever considered that the recording system was destroyed at the moment of impact?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#184. To: FormerLurker (#183)
However, the netwok [speiling error] control center
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