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Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack
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URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: Not Given
Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact
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The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. As of May, 2006, the only video footage of the crash that has been released are clips from two Pentagon security cameras north of the crash site, one the source of 5 frames leaked in 2002. With the release of the two video clips, the Pentagon claims to have supplied all of the footage it has of the attack. Although the number and positions of security cameras monitoring the Pentagon is not public knowledge, it seems unlikely that only two security cameras captured the attack. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of security cameras ringing the huge building that is the heart of the United States military establishment? Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized The Sheraton National Hotel may be the hotel from which the FBI seized a CCTV recording. Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those recordings, if they still exist, might provide decisive evidence about the attack. * The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 * The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 The NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station is just under the flightpath of the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack. In addition it is likely there is other video footage that was either destroyed or is being withheld, given that the trajectory of the attack plane took it low over a large part of Arlington, Virginia. Lawsuits to Obtain Videos At least two plaintiffs have attempted to obtain videos seized by the FBI, using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The first, documented at Flight77.info, began with a request to the FBI in October of 2004. The second, undertaken by the Judicial Watch, Inc. began with a request to the Department of Defense (DOD) in December of 2004. Following is a timeline of the requests and subsequent lawsuits. Entries relating to the second case are distinguished with dates colored gray. * October 14, 2004: Scott A. Hodes, on behalf of his client Scott Bingham, sends a request to David Hardy of the FBI requesting any videos "that may have captured the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001". The request letter mentions videotapes from the Citgo Gas Station and the Sheraton National Hotel. (1) Video camera recordings obtained by federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from a Nexcomm/Citgo gas station in the vicinity of the Pentagon on or about September 11, 2001. (2) Pentagon security video camera recording(s) showing Flight 77 strike and/or hit and/or crash into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. (3) Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) video camera recording(s) obtained by any federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from the Virginia Department of Transportation ("VDOT") and/or the VDOT "Smart Traffic Center" on or about September 11, 2001. References 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
* November 3, 2004: The FBI replies to Bingham's request stating that their search "revealed no record responsive to your FOIA request".
* November 17, 2004: Hodes files an appeal of Bingham's FOIA request with the U.S Department of Justice (DOJ), citing evidence that the videotapes mentioned in the original request exist.
* December 15, 2004: Christopher J. Farrell of Judicial Watch, Inc. writes to James Hogan in the Office of Freedom of Information/Security Review of the DOD requesting that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DOD, and FBI produce:
any and all agency records concerning, relating to, or reflecting the following subjects:
* March 7, 2005: The DOJ replies to Hodes' November 17 appeal, admitting that it did possess records responsive to the request but that it could release the records because such a release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings." * January 26, 2005: The DOD advises Judicial Watch, Inc. that it possesses a videotape responsive to the December 15, 2004 request but declines to produce the videotape, citing U.S.C 552(b)(7)(A).
* March 8, 2005: Bingham's attorney files a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia stating that the FBI is in violation of the FOIA for "failing to adequately respond to plaintiff's FOIA request, including failing to adequately search for and release records that the plaintiff believes the agency is in possession of, and for failing to timely respond to the plaintiff's administrative appeal."
* April 18, 2005: The DOJ files a response to Bingham's March 8 lawsuit denying the plaintiff's request and asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiff's Complaint with prejudice.
* April 19, 2005: District Judge Paul L. Friedman orders the defendants to file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment in the case brought by Bingham on or before June 21, 2005.
* June 10, 2005: The DOD denies Judicial Watch's administrative appeal, claiming that the video is exempt as part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.
* August 1, 2005: Jeffrey D. Kahn, an attorney for the DOJ's Civil Division files a 23-page MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT. Scans of the document are posted on Flight77.info.
* August 29, 2005: Hodes files a Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment and a STATEMENT OF FACT ON WHICH THERE EXIST A GENUINE ISSUE TO BE LITIGATED in response to the DOJ's motion for summary judgment. * September 9, 2005: Kahn files a REPLY BRIEF IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
* September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Maguire also refers to "one videotape taken from a closed circuit television at a Doubletree Hotel in Arlington Virginia," but states that it did not show the impact of Flight 77.
* September 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire dated September 7, 2005.
* October 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
* October 24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's October 20 claim that its material is exempt.
* February 22, 2006: Judicial Watch, Inc. files a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against the Department of Defense for its refusal to disclose records sought under the FOIA request.
* May 5, 2006: Judge Friedman orders the defendants to show cause on or before May 26, 2006 why their motion for summary judgment should not be denied as moot, noting that the criminal proceedings against Moussaoui have ended.
* May 16, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains two videos from the DOD, and posts them on their website. The site is down for about half of the day due to demand. * September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack.
* December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]
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#34. To: wudidiz (#24)
I am sure they have taped over them by now to save money. They lost trillions, so they have to start saving to pay it back. :=) LOL!
God is always good!
You don't even resemble the buckeroo I knew from years ago. You have dropped down on the credibility scale to below the level of a BeALoser type, which is pretty freeking low.
"Videos? What videos? No you can't see the videos. There are no videos and if there were they would just show a 757 anyway. Go back to work serf."
#35. To: buckeroo (#17)
You know me on a personal basis from years ago.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#36. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#25)
Does data expire after an amount of time in your world? You know, what it, that those in the liar movement think that the truth is "outdated crap."
Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#37. To: Original_Intent (#31)
That would be a big step up for him. I bet he has delusions of adequacy at times. In his reality-challenged "mind" (such as it is), he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago.
Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#38. To: wudidiz (#25)
Kind of like the outdated laws of physics these Israeli liars like to use for 9/11.
Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?
God is always good!
#39. To: Critter (#35)
You have dropped down on the credibility scale to below the level of a BeALoser type, which is pretty freeking low. Yep. And defends the government just like BeALoser.
You don't even resemble the buckeroo I knew from years ago.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#40. To: buckeroo, Critter (#17)
Publick knowledge @56 fps. A typical video surveillance system can run from 30 FPS to 480 FPS. Where are you pulling this 56 FPS figure from?
What type of equipment made those videos?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: James Deffenbach, Critter (#39)
BAC was a bit more on the ball though...
Yep. And defends the government just like BeALoser.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#42. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, Critter, James Deffenbach, tom007, RickyJ (#20)
Can you ever get anything right the first time.... or do I have to perpetually correct you? Where's the video from THESE cameras buckie? Not true. I asserted that ALL material has been released back to the publick.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: FormerLurker (#41)
Like him or not, BAC was intelligent.
BAC was a bit more on the ball though...
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#44. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, tom007, wudidiz, Original_Intent (#23)
There IS no physical evidence that Hanjour was ever onboard Flight 77, and you know that.
Does this ploy apply to your searching for all the facts you've posted regarding Hanjour license piloting certification, and his physical presence on Flight 77 confirmed by passenger records and admissions of Arabs about helping him get ID that allowed him to get onto the airplane?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: James Deffenbach (#43)
Yep, and even though he wasn't always truthful, but he was at least cordial and had good manners.
Like him or not, BAC was intelligent.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: FormerLurker (#44)
Didn't you (or someone) post an article that said AA had no record of him buying a ticket? Are the shills arguing that the airlines are now letting people on the plane who don't have tickets?
There IS no physical evidence that Hanjour was ever onboard Flight 77, and you know that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#47. To: FormerLurker (#45)
LOL! He cordially screeched KOOK at everyone who didn't agree with him and the government. Other than that he had some better manners than buck and aggravator.
Yep, and even though he wasn't always truthful, but he was at least cordial and had good manners.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#47)
Well yeah, that and the constant ROTFLOL embedded in each and every post. BUT, compared to buck and AGaggravator, he was another Emily Post.
LOL! He cordially screeched KOOK at everyone who didn't agree with him and the government. Other than that he had some better manners than buck and aggravator.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Flight77.info 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached] All links working now.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#50. To: Original_Intent (#0)
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
#51. To: GreyLmist (#49)
GREAT! Again, that is old data. Any new data to support the the thread's thesis? No?
All links working now.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#52. To: wudidiz, buckeroo (#30)
Only in your delusional mind does addressing buck as "bucktard," "Buckmonster Fullofit," and "Nostradumbass," and me by similarly unfavorable terms, qualify as saying "you or buck shouldn't attack OInk's character." Did you and Hanjour once take English from the same tutor?
No. To say buck or you shouldn't attack OI's character is not an appeal to authority.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
All links working now. GREAT! Again, that is old data. Any new data to support the the thread's thesis? No? Nine years later, all systems go! As they say, better late than never.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#54. To: OInk, buckeroo (#31)
I already posted excerpts from the 1st 50 posts on the 1200 post thread started by buck which christine locked, which amply demonstrate you are L-Y-I-N-G. Ya know OInk, praise really does smell better when it comes from somebody other than yourself...HAHAHAA..
Only when first provoked. You two consistantly use ad hominems and derogatory language aimed at others with whom you disagree, or are paid to disagree with, and it is not I who threw the first stone. I just have better aim than you do.
I just have better aim than you do.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#55. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)
Post #49 All links are working now. It doesn't really matter what you think of websites 1-4 as they are simply footnoted references re: these points: The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack. December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4 If the first drive-in movie feature released by the Pentagon is "smokey and the bandits", what should we call the 2nd releases? Looks something like a 2 part sci-fi flick. Also, what's with this date and timestamping for the first Pentagon video release? Ref: 911review.org: Officials could not immediately explain why the date typed near the bottom of each photograph is September 12 and the time is written as 5:37 p.m. The attack happened at about 9:37 a.m. on September 11. Officials said it was possible that the date and time were added the day after the attack when they may have been catalogued for investigative purposes..." NOTE: CNN wrote that "at 9:43 a.m., a hijacked Boeing 757 slammed into part of the 29-acre complex used by uniformed and civilian employees of the U.S. military", while Associated Press wrote it was about 9:37 a.m 9/Sept. 12 (1+2=3) = 93 (The Law in occult lingo) XX = Doublecross Missing sequence after (1) and (2) above = 20 = XX = Doublecross
You: Yes..... it *IS* probable they didn't capture a jet flying at 500MPH in any frame. Anyone want to debate?
The plane was moving at 1.25 miles per second, that's over 400 feet per frame of video capture at a given 15 frames per second. The time of the video tape is off probably for the same reasons. The images cover a span of four one-hundredths of a second. That can't be right! At that rate, the security camera would be taking 125 frames per second! Movies are 24 frames per second and TV is 30 frames per second. Why the hell would a security camera have a framerate of 4-5 times that of movie and television? They must mean that each image itself covers a span of 4/100ths of a second, giving a total 2/10ths of a second for the entire sequence. If the captions document the date and time it was catalogued, why does the clock part read: (1) 17:37:19 (2) 17:37:19 (3) 17:37:21 (4) 17:37:22 (5) 17:37:23
37 = 3+7 = 10 = X (Roman Numeral)
19 = 1+9 = 10 = X (Roman Numeral)
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#56. To: FormerLurker (#44)
What are you expecting, DNA?
There IS no physical evidence that Hanjour was ever onboard Flight 77, and you know that
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#57. To: AGAviator (#53)
The issue of this thread is there is this GRAND COVER-UP by the US Government when it is holding data for criminal investigations or for actual litigation. I don't understand the perception at all. To the best of my knowledge ALL material has been released back to the original owners of that material. It is another thread debunked as far as I am concerned. This thread uses old, useless and tired spin-cycles to produce something fresh. O_I has proven that he can't produce anything of value to support his conspiracy theory.
Nine years later, all systems go!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#58. To: GreyLmist, AGAviator (#55)
ThaT HOTEL IS THE DOUBLETREE HOTEL.... the footage is shown here: This gets tiring to categorically prove every bullet item ... so I am stopping with one, above.
The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#59. To: buckeroo (#57)
You mean declaring himself as "erudite," and making statements "you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own" aren't acceptable proof of Fight 77 being teleported to the Bahamas? Man, where's Yogi "Who'd a thunk it" Berra when you need him for a pithy quote?
O_I has proven that he can't produce anything of value to support his conspiracy theory.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#60. To: AGAviator (#59)
He has declared himself an intellectual yet, he is the epitome of a pseudo-intellectual as he can't grasp a concept while throwing around polysyllables to pretend a concept. At least he aspires to be an intellectual.... given time, he may achieve a new level of awareness about himself and his own surroundings.
You mean declaring himself as "erudite," and making statements "you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own" aren't acceptable proof of Fight 77 being teleported to the Bahamas?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#61. To: GreyLmist (#55) (Edited)
That's impossible. A rifle bullet travels about 2900 feet per second. A mile per second is 5280 feet per second. 500 mph is actually 733 feet per second, or 0.14 miles per second.
The plane was moving at 1.25 miles per second,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: buckeroo (#58) (Edited)
I'm posting this video to compare the moving target type thing at the top of the WTC to the moving target type thing at the Pentagon. [Ref: 2:08 in your posted video]: 9- 11 phone call from Kevin Cosgrove
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#63. To: FormerLurker (#48)
So you think he was a tranny? >(;^{]
Well yeah, that and the constant ROTFLOL embedded in each and every post. BUT, compared to buck and AGaggravator, he was another Emily Post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#64. To: GreyLmist (#62)
There is no direct correlation, of course. That was a shocking clip you provided.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#65. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, GreyLmist, Original_Intent (#58)
What a crock. Just as an example of the horsecrap in that video, the claim is made that a "contrail" is formed behind the jet as it approaches the Pentagon. Since you and your pal AG seem to know all about contrails when it comes to discussing "chemtrails", you should know that contrails are only formed by the hot exhaust of the engines heating up very cold moist air at high altitudes. They do NOT form at ground level. Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal. It wasn't that big of a deal in terms of aircraft limits, but it WAS a big deal in terms of how commercial airliners are meant to fly versus how military aircraft are meant to fly. Your video also tries to block out the surrounding area of that single frame shot, superimposing an outline of an aircraft on top of what it alleges is Flight 77. You could superimpose that outline over virtually ANYTHING and claim that it is a 757 using that technique. How extraordinarilly unscientific. When I have more time I'd like to go over the video in more detail, but you can chew on the observations I've just made if you'd like. BTW, have you been able to figure out what happened to the Pentagon roof cam videos?
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#66. To: buckeroo (#60) (Edited)
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#67. To: GreyLmist (#62)
I don't believe any of those videos support any claim that Flight 77 was what hit the Pentagon. And I can't believe those are the best quality videos they have either. If they are someone, whoever bought the cameras that took the pictures, should go to prison.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#68. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#61)
Which is why the various recorded films are obscure from frame to frame to frame. And the recorded evidence has been released back to the original owners after investigation. I wonder what our next 911 thread will be? Mine normally get LOCKED .... most of the others are boring to me.
500 mph is actually 733 feet per second, or 0.14 miles per second.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#69. To: Turtle (#50)
Then why does the government keep refusing to release the videos that would prove it? If the videos show what they claim they would have had them on the news the same night it happened and we would have seen them over and over. The fact they refuse to release anything but $#it video that you can't tell anything about proves that they are hiding the truth.
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#70. To: AGAviator (#66)
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"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#71. To: buckeroo (#58)
Your own video says: "it can't be said for sure whether or not the object is Flight 77." All it does is try to declare something it aknowledges is too small and too slow as a match. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 Do you think they're lying about that?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#72. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, GreyLmist, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent, wudidiz, RickyJ (#68)
Actually, if the frame rate is 30 fps, then you should be able to see the plane move 1/30 of 733 feet every frame, or 24.4 feet per frame. So why again doesn't the plane show up? And the recorded evidence has been released back to the original owners after investigation. If you say so. So where's the Sheraton video, or the Virginia DOT videos? How about the video from the Pentagon roof cams?
Which is why the various recorded films are obscure from frame to frame to frame.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: GreyLmist (#71)
There are no clear videos is the point. But there are plenty of eyewitnesses: The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#74. To: buckeroo (#64)
There is no direct correlation, of course. Says you. What do you think those moving target type things are at the Pentagon and WTC in those videos? That was a shocking clip you provided. If the soundtrack is true.
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