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Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack
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URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: Not Given
Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact
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The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. As of May, 2006, the only video footage of the crash that has been released are clips from two Pentagon security cameras north of the crash site, one the source of 5 frames leaked in 2002. With the release of the two video clips, the Pentagon claims to have supplied all of the footage it has of the attack. Although the number and positions of security cameras monitoring the Pentagon is not public knowledge, it seems unlikely that only two security cameras captured the attack. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of security cameras ringing the huge building that is the heart of the United States military establishment? Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized The Sheraton National Hotel may be the hotel from which the FBI seized a CCTV recording. Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those recordings, if they still exist, might provide decisive evidence about the attack. * The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 * The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 The NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station is just under the flightpath of the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack. In addition it is likely there is other video footage that was either destroyed or is being withheld, given that the trajectory of the attack plane took it low over a large part of Arlington, Virginia. Lawsuits to Obtain Videos At least two plaintiffs have attempted to obtain videos seized by the FBI, using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The first, documented at Flight77.info, began with a request to the FBI in October of 2004. The second, undertaken by the Judicial Watch, Inc. began with a request to the Department of Defense (DOD) in December of 2004. Following is a timeline of the requests and subsequent lawsuits. Entries relating to the second case are distinguished with dates colored gray. * October 14, 2004: Scott A. Hodes, on behalf of his client Scott Bingham, sends a request to David Hardy of the FBI requesting any videos "that may have captured the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001". The request letter mentions videotapes from the Citgo Gas Station and the Sheraton National Hotel. (1) Video camera recordings obtained by federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from a Nexcomm/Citgo gas station in the vicinity of the Pentagon on or about September 11, 2001. (2) Pentagon security video camera recording(s) showing Flight 77 strike and/or hit and/or crash into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. (3) Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) video camera recording(s) obtained by any federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from the Virginia Department of Transportation ("VDOT") and/or the VDOT "Smart Traffic Center" on or about September 11, 2001. References 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
* November 3, 2004: The FBI replies to Bingham's request stating that their search "revealed no record responsive to your FOIA request".
* November 17, 2004: Hodes files an appeal of Bingham's FOIA request with the U.S Department of Justice (DOJ), citing evidence that the videotapes mentioned in the original request exist.
* December 15, 2004: Christopher J. Farrell of Judicial Watch, Inc. writes to James Hogan in the Office of Freedom of Information/Security Review of the DOD requesting that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DOD, and FBI produce:
any and all agency records concerning, relating to, or reflecting the following subjects:
* March 7, 2005: The DOJ replies to Hodes' November 17 appeal, admitting that it did possess records responsive to the request but that it could release the records because such a release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings." * January 26, 2005: The DOD advises Judicial Watch, Inc. that it possesses a videotape responsive to the December 15, 2004 request but declines to produce the videotape, citing U.S.C 552(b)(7)(A).
* March 8, 2005: Bingham's attorney files a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia stating that the FBI is in violation of the FOIA for "failing to adequately respond to plaintiff's FOIA request, including failing to adequately search for and release records that the plaintiff believes the agency is in possession of, and for failing to timely respond to the plaintiff's administrative appeal."
* April 18, 2005: The DOJ files a response to Bingham's March 8 lawsuit denying the plaintiff's request and asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiff's Complaint with prejudice.
* April 19, 2005: District Judge Paul L. Friedman orders the defendants to file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment in the case brought by Bingham on or before June 21, 2005.
* June 10, 2005: The DOD denies Judicial Watch's administrative appeal, claiming that the video is exempt as part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.
* August 1, 2005: Jeffrey D. Kahn, an attorney for the DOJ's Civil Division files a 23-page MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT. Scans of the document are posted on Flight77.info.
* August 29, 2005: Hodes files a Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment and a STATEMENT OF FACT ON WHICH THERE EXIST A GENUINE ISSUE TO BE LITIGATED in response to the DOJ's motion for summary judgment. * September 9, 2005: Kahn files a REPLY BRIEF IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
* September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Maguire also refers to "one videotape taken from a closed circuit television at a Doubletree Hotel in Arlington Virginia," but states that it did not show the impact of Flight 77.
* September 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire dated September 7, 2005.
* October 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
* October 24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's October 20 claim that its material is exempt.
* February 22, 2006: Judicial Watch, Inc. files a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against the Department of Defense for its refusal to disclose records sought under the FOIA request.
* May 5, 2006: Judge Friedman orders the defendants to show cause on or before May 26, 2006 why their motion for summary judgment should not be denied as moot, noting that the criminal proceedings against Moussaoui have ended.
* May 16, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains two videos from the DOD, and posts them on their website. The site is down for about half of the day due to demand. * September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack.
* December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]
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#65. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, GreyLmist, Original_Intent (#58)
What a crock. Just as an example of the horsecrap in that video, the claim is made that a "contrail" is formed behind the jet as it approaches the Pentagon. Since you and your pal AG seem to know all about contrails when it comes to discussing "chemtrails", you should know that contrails are only formed by the hot exhaust of the engines heating up very cold moist air at high altitudes. They do NOT form at ground level. Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal. It wasn't that big of a deal in terms of aircraft limits, but it WAS a big deal in terms of how commercial airliners are meant to fly versus how military aircraft are meant to fly. Your video also tries to block out the surrounding area of that single frame shot, superimposing an outline of an aircraft on top of what it alleges is Flight 77. You could superimpose that outline over virtually ANYTHING and claim that it is a 757 using that technique. How extraordinarilly unscientific. When I have more time I'd like to go over the video in more detail, but you can chew on the observations I've just made if you'd like. BTW, have you been able to figure out what happened to the Pentagon roof cam videos?
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Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Which is why the various recorded films are obscure from frame to frame to frame. And the recorded evidence has been released back to the original owners after investigation. I wonder what our next 911 thread will be? Mine normally get LOCKED .... most of the others are boring to me.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Then why does the government keep refusing to release the videos that would prove it? If the videos show what they claim they would have had them on the news the same night it happened and we would have seen them over and over. The fact they refuse to release anything but $#it video that you can't tell anything about proves that they are hiding the truth.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Too funney. That post is awesome... with a bit of luck, O_I will take a peek.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Your own video says: "it can't be said for sure whether or not the object is Flight 77." All it does is try to declare something it aknowledges is too small and too slow as a match. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 Do you think they're lying about that?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Actually, if the frame rate is 30 fps, then you should be able to see the plane move 1/30 of 733 feet every frame, or 24.4 feet per frame. So why again doesn't the plane show up? And the recorded evidence has been released back to the original owners after investigation. If you say so. So where's the Sheraton video, or the Virginia DOT videos? How about the video from the Pentagon roof cams?
There are no clear videos is the point. But there are plenty of eyewitnesses: "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
There is no direct correlation, of course. Says you. What do you think those moving target type things are at the Pentagon and WTC in those videos? That was a shocking clip you provided. If the soundtrack is true.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
That would be a big step up for him. I bet he has delusions of adequacy at times. In his reality-challenged "mind" (such as it is), he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago. The "almost" bright have a big button on self importance. In some ways I do feel sorry for them because there is so much that they miss - and never even realize it. Sad really.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Made It Happen On Purpose
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon. Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. 136 people reported a plane approaching the Pentagon. However, it has never been my contention that something did not hit the Pentagon. I do believe something did, however there is a strong possibility that it was not Flight 77 as advertised. The aerodynamics alone suggest that a 757, with wings unmodified, could not have made the alleged approach. However, I fall short of asserting a firm theory as I simply do not know, and I find the "Official Fairy Tale™" unconvincing because there are too many contrary datums. While much of it is circumstantial, which I freely admit, some of that circumstance is the suppression of information, the changing stories, and outright falsehoods told to try and sell the "Official Fairy Tale™". When someone tries to sell me a story with facts in conflict my first reaction is "wait just a minute". Do not presume to put words in my mouth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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That, along with trying to SELL Hani Hanjoor SUPERPILOT when he was a known incompetent behind the stick, are two of the most glaring outpoints. That all of the videos except a few carefully selected snippets (one of which, the parking lot camera clip, looks like it could be a computer animation) have been suppressed, along with the gag order on the Air Traffic Controllers who watched the whole thing on their scopes, are BIG RED FLAGS. Paging Mr./Ms. Nostradumbass. Paging Mr./Ms. Nostradumbass! Paging Mr./Ms. Bloviator. Paging Mr./Ms. Bloviator.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
And let's also not forget the VDOT camera, which should have had the entire damned skyline to the west and north of the Pentagon within its focus that morning, and does now in the a.m., and it gets even more made for morons. Yes. It would definitely take a moron or a shill of some flavor to accept the "Official Fairy Tale™" unquestioned. Paging the usual suspects. Paging the usual suspects.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The spiraling contrail on the jet, came from the aircraft "ingesting" a piece of a lamp it clipped directly into the starboard engine, where it tore up the internal parts and caused smoking immediately as the engine itself was running at full speed. So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process.
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"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: buckeroo (#60)
(Edited)
He has declared himself an intellectual yet, he is the epitome of a pseudo-intellectual as he can't grasp a concept while throwing around polysyllables
Our offer:
I'm gonna send OInk's next huffings and puffings to these guys and see what they can reduce them to...
"The alleged perpetrators exited the facility without being observed by law enforcement officers."
So does radio: becomes
"The suspects left the building unseen by the police." "Soon to be presented in the noon-time hour..."
The Web is not immune: becomes
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We've been fighting a losing battle against this kind of thing for years. becomes
"We use different types of information to make decisions." Sample Text:
"We are unable to provide you with the information you have requested, as the provision of client identities to non-company personnel is in direct contravention of stated company policy."
Irreducible Minimum (consistent with meaning): "No"
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#67. To: GreyLmist (#62)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#68. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#61)
500 mph is actually 733 feet per second, or 0.14 miles per second.
#69. To: Turtle (#50)
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#70. To: AGAviator (#66)
I'm gonna send OInk's next huffings and puffings to these guys and see what they can reduce them to...
#71. To: buckeroo (#58)
#72. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, GreyLmist, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent, wudidiz, RickyJ (#68)
Which is why the various recorded films are obscure from frame to frame to frame.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: GreyLmist (#71)
The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1
#74. To: buckeroo (#64)
#75. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.
#76. To: Lod (#1)
#77. To: RickyJ (#2)
#78. To: RickyJ (#2)
#79. To: buckeroo, All (#5)
#80. To: Critter (#6)
#81. To: Eric Stratton, Lod (#76)
MIHOP?
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#82. To: Turdle, Turtle, all (#50)
It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon
#83. To: Original_Intent (#82)
#84. To: Original_Intent (#82)
#85. To: Eric Stratton (#83)
A very quick and easy sale would have been made with a single video, just one of the many available, of the plane hitting the Pentagon, yet the opposite approach was used by the perps.
..., only a true real life moron believes the official shitpiece story.
#86. To: Eric Stratton (#84)
However, I fall short of asserting a firm theory as I simply do not know, and I find the "Official Fairy Tale™" unconvincing because there are too many contrary datums. While much of it is circumstantial, which I freely admit, some of that circumstance is the suppression of information, the changing stories, and outright falsehoods told to try and sell the "Official Fairy Tale™". When someone tries to sell me a story with facts in conflict my first reaction is "wait just a minute". Do not presume to put words in my mouth.
#87. To: FormerLurker (#65)
Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal.
One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#88. To: FormerLurker, Buckeroo, Banzai (#40)
Where are you pulling this 56 FPS figure from?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#89. To: turtle, buckeroo (#82) (Edited)
Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. 136 people reported a plane approaching the Pentagon Doncha know that in the split second between the time they saw the plane approaching, and the time it crashed - proceeding as it was at 530 MPH or over 770 feet per second, the 757 got teleported elsewhere without anybody noticing. And replaced with a still-unidentified craft. Because even though the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff, except for 1 infant, they're lying, and the real AA Flight 11 757 passenger victims were done away with elsewhere, and the body pieces and DNA fragments that showed up at the Pentagon crash site were actually from persons unknown. Ya with me?
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#90. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz, Nostradumbass, Buckmonster Fullofit, buckeroo, James Deffenbach, Critter, FormerLurker, all (#27)
I think it's the 8th dimension: In that distorted 4 1/4 dimensional Wormhole Universe, lying somewhere between darkness and light, known as the Buckieverse data has an expiration date just like a sack of doughnuts.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#91. To: OInk, buckeroo, turtle (#85)
That, along with trying to SELL Hani Hanjoor SUPERPILOT
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#92. To: Critter (#90)
LOL! That's funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#93. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, AGSpincycle, AGovernmentShill, tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, IRTorqued, Critter, Dakmar, HOUNDDAWG, all (#89)
Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. 136 people reported a plane approaching the Pentagon Doncha know that in the split second between the time they saw the plane approaching, and the time it crashed - proceeding as it was at 530 MPH or over 770 feet per second, the 757 got teleported elsewhere without anybody noticing. And replaced with a still-unidentified craft. Because even though the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff, except for 1 infant, they're lying, and the real AA Flight 11 757 passenger victims were done away with elsewhere, and the body pieces and DNA fragments that showed up at the Pentagon crash site were actually from persons unknown. Ya with me? A. I'm not with you, I don't associate with quislings other than to point out that they are quislings. B. I have advanced no theory as to what the reality is although there are a couple of possibilities. Which I won't bother detailing as you are not interested in anything not in perfect alignment with the "Official Fairy Tale™". C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works. However, you are not interested in data, or apparent contradictions to the "Official Conspiracy Theory™". No, you are interested only in catapulting the propaganda.
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#94. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, buckeroo, bonzai, Original_Intent, James Defenbach (#87)
Why have you never addressed the fact that the NTSB's interpretation of the FDR data shows a flight path far from the light poles? Are going to conveniently ignore that fact forever?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#95. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, James Deffenbach, all (#87)
The spiraling contrail on the jet, came from the aircraft "ingesting" a piece of a lamp it clipped directly into the starboard engine, where it tore up the internal parts and caused smoking immediately as the engine itself was running at full speed. So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process. And you know this speculation to be a fact how?
Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#96. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent, wudidiz, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, (#2)
the bulk of the work I did up to and after 9-11-01 was done from a workstation connected to a secure military network on which I would from time to time pull up the live streams from the pentagons various cameras but for some reason for about a week prior to and right at two weeks after 9-11 those feeds were not accessible. prior to 9-11 I didn't think much about it just that it was kind of odd, after 9-11 I asked myself "what didn't they want people to see?" I don't expect them to release anything they have whipped up until they are sure they have taken care of all the loose ends.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#97. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#5)
bucky, has the government given you of the liar movement any new information lately? go ahead and reply, it is a hoot how full of crap you are.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#98. To: IRTorqued (#96)
I just wonder how many more "loose ends" they need to "erase"?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#99. To: wudidiz, All (#98)
Hey Wud!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#100. To: Critter, buckeroo, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#17)
in other words bucky is once again full of crap
Now... settle down. You know me on a personal basis from years ago.
Old technologies have been revamped through government contracts via the many government agencies that you vote for each and every year to save your hide.
Publick knowledge @56 fps.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#101. To: wudidiz, All (#99) (Edited)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#102. To: Original_Intent (#98)
I reckon we'll know when they've hit the last one, they'll release some footage akin to Forrest Gump with LBJ and John Lennon.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#103. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#23)
that is a whole lot of verbiage to tell us that you, bucky and the rest of the liar movement have nothing.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#104. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
the best AGovshill has done is second place and that was a debate with ewecon and then he dropped to third place when maddoggie chimed in.
he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#105. To: IRTorqued (#96)
things that make you go hmmmmmm....
but for some reason for about a week prior to and right at two weeks after 9-11 those feeds were not accessible. prior to 9-11
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