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Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack
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URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html
Published: Aug 3, 2010
Author: Not Given
Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Original_Intent
Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact
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The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon. As of May, 2006, the only video footage of the crash that has been released are clips from two Pentagon security cameras north of the crash site, one the source of 5 frames leaked in 2002. With the release of the two video clips, the Pentagon claims to have supplied all of the footage it has of the attack. Although the number and positions of security cameras monitoring the Pentagon is not public knowledge, it seems unlikely that only two security cameras captured the attack. Isn't it reasonable to assume that there were dozens, if not hundreds, of security cameras ringing the huge building that is the heart of the United States military establishment? Videos Outside the Pentagon Seized The Sheraton National Hotel may be the hotel from which the FBI seized a CCTV recording. Not only has the government refused to release footage that would clearly show how the Pentagon was attacked, it has also seized footage not belonging to the military. The FBI confiscated video recordings from several private businesses near the Pentagon in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Those recordings, if they still exist, might provide decisive evidence about the attack. * The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 * The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 The NEXCOMM/CITGO gas station is just under the flightpath of the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack. In addition it is likely there is other video footage that was either destroyed or is being withheld, given that the trajectory of the attack plane took it low over a large part of Arlington, Virginia. Lawsuits to Obtain Videos At least two plaintiffs have attempted to obtain videos seized by the FBI, using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The first, documented at Flight77.info, began with a request to the FBI in October of 2004. The second, undertaken by the Judicial Watch, Inc. began with a request to the Department of Defense (DOD) in December of 2004. Following is a timeline of the requests and subsequent lawsuits. Entries relating to the second case are distinguished with dates colored gray. * October 14, 2004: Scott A. Hodes, on behalf of his client Scott Bingham, sends a request to David Hardy of the FBI requesting any videos "that may have captured the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001". The request letter mentions videotapes from the Citgo Gas Station and the Sheraton National Hotel. (1) Video camera recordings obtained by federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from a Nexcomm/Citgo gas station in the vicinity of the Pentagon on or about September 11, 2001. (2) Pentagon security video camera recording(s) showing Flight 77 strike and/or hit and/or crash into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. (3) Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) video camera recording(s) obtained by any federal official(s) and/or law enforcement from the Virginia Department of Transportation ("VDOT") and/or the VDOT "Smart Traffic Center" on or about September 11, 2001. References 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
* November 3, 2004: The FBI replies to Bingham's request stating that their search "revealed no record responsive to your FOIA request".
* November 17, 2004: Hodes files an appeal of Bingham's FOIA request with the U.S Department of Justice (DOJ), citing evidence that the videotapes mentioned in the original request exist.
* December 15, 2004: Christopher J. Farrell of Judicial Watch, Inc. writes to James Hogan in the Office of Freedom of Information/Security Review of the DOD requesting that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), DOD, and FBI produce:
any and all agency records concerning, relating to, or reflecting the following subjects:
* March 7, 2005: The DOJ replies to Hodes' November 17 appeal, admitting that it did possess records responsive to the request but that it could release the records because such a release "could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings." * January 26, 2005: The DOD advises Judicial Watch, Inc. that it possesses a videotape responsive to the December 15, 2004 request but declines to produce the videotape, citing U.S.C 552(b)(7)(A).
* March 8, 2005: Bingham's attorney files a lawsuit with the United States District Court for the District of Columbia stating that the FBI is in violation of the FOIA for "failing to adequately respond to plaintiff's FOIA request, including failing to adequately search for and release records that the plaintiff believes the agency is in possession of, and for failing to timely respond to the plaintiff's administrative appeal."
* April 18, 2005: The DOJ files a response to Bingham's March 8 lawsuit denying the plaintiff's request and asking the judge to dismiss the plaintiff's Complaint with prejudice.
* April 19, 2005: District Judge Paul L. Friedman orders the defendants to file a motion to dismiss or a motion for summary judgment in the case brought by Bingham on or before June 21, 2005.
* June 10, 2005: The DOD denies Judicial Watch's administrative appeal, claiming that the video is exempt as part of an ongoing investigation involving Zacarias Moussaoui.
* August 1, 2005: Jeffrey D. Kahn, an attorney for the DOJ's Civil Division files a 23-page MEMORANDUM OF POINTS AND AUTHORITIES IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT. Scans of the document are posted on Flight77.info.
* August 29, 2005: Hodes files a Memorandum of Points and Authorities in Support of Plaintiff's Opposition to Defendants' Motion for Summary Judgment and a STATEMENT OF FACT ON WHICH THERE EXIST A GENUINE ISSUE TO BE LITIGATED in response to the DOJ's motion for summary judgment. * September 9, 2005: Kahn files a REPLY BRIEF IN FURTHER SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
* September 9, 2005: Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire of the FBI's Counterterrorism Division files a DECLARATION describing her search for records responsive to Bingham's FOIA request. Maguire admits to determining that 85 videotapes in the FBI's possession are "potentially responsive" the request, that she personally viewed 29 of the tapes, and that she located only one videotape that showed the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Maguire also refers to "one videotape taken from a closed circuit television at a Doubletree Hotel in Arlington Virginia," but states that it did not show the impact of Flight 77.
* September 26, 2005: Hodes files a request seeking "copies of 85 videotapes in the possession of the FBI described in the declaration of Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire dated September 7, 2005.
* October 20, 2005: The DOJ sends a letter to Hodes claiming that the requested material is exempt.
* October 24, 2005: Hodes appeals the DOJ's October 20 claim that its material is exempt.
* February 22, 2006: Judicial Watch, Inc. files a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia seeking declaratory and injunctive relief against the Department of Defense for its refusal to disclose records sought under the FOIA request.
* May 5, 2006: Judge Friedman orders the defendants to show cause on or before May 26, 2006 why their motion for summary judgment should not be denied as moot, noting that the criminal proceedings against Moussaoui have ended.
* May 16, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains two videos from the DOD, and posts them on their website. The site is down for about half of the day due to demand. * September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack.
* December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]
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#1. To: Original_Intent, 4 (#0)
Confiscating videos is a sure sign they have something to hide. I mean, they must think we are all retarded or something. As soon as it happens they get the videos within minutes. Of course they were just waiting for the go-ahead to rush in and get the videos, who the heck else would even think about getting videos of the attack when they had hundreds already themselves! Those bastards are as guilty as hell. The electric chair is too good for these mass murderers.
God is always good!
Recursive (don't work) Outdated data from nine years ago Junk website Host document is not available. [Not Found The requested URL /cache/pentagon/evidence/cnn_doubletreevideo_files/sitecnncnn_pagetypearticlecnn_position160x600_rgtcnn_rollupworl. was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.] In effect, O_I, your thread agenda is just a shallow ring around the TWOOFER_FAERIE™ you know what..... your data sucks the BIG_ONE. However, in all fairness about security cameras ... do you know what their FPS is? I know what the Pentagon's is: 56FPS... now, I expect both references @ your 3 and 4 to be slower. Do you know what that means? Yes..... it *IS* probable they didn't capture a jet flying at 500MPH in any frame. Anyone want to debate?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
If the links are dead the links are dead. The article was written some time back. So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain. Anyone can do a search and find fresh links. Likely the URL's may have changed in the last couple of years. However, that is a side issue and what you are attacking is a side issue i.e., a Strawman Argument because you cannot refute the information provided in the body of the article. As is frequently the case you have no case.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Is this another apology? I am getting tired of catching some of you folks using old data to support a weak idea. Can you find it within yourself to post up-todate data so as to show merit about your ideas? If not, don't post as I am tired of running down your crap finding dead-end streets that amount to nothing worthwhile in real time. Please answer, "YES" or "NO" ... or don't bother replying.... I don't want to weed through more of your itemized blather just to find that you are not well researched.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
How do you know this? What kind of equipment are they using?
MIHOP bump
#2. To: Original_Intent (#0)
#3. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#0)
REFERENCES:
1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached]
2. Three Months On, Tension Lingers Near the Pentagon, Richmond Times-Dispatch, 12/11/01 [cached]
3. CITGO Gas Station Cameras Near Pentagon Evidently Did Not Capture Attack, JudicialWatch.org, 9/15/06 [cached]
4. Hotel security video shows 9/11 Pentagon blast, but no plane, CNN.com, 12/2/06 [cached]
#4. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, abraxas, FormerLurker, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, all (#3)
#5. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, ALL (#4)
The article was written some time back.
#6. To: buckeroo (#3)
I know what the Pentagon's is: 56FPS...
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#7. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo (#4)
Only the first link is dead. The rest are fine. buckerooby just doesn't like them.
If the links are dead the links are dead.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#8. To: Critter (#6)
Standard equipment.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#9. To: buckeroo (#8)
What is "standard equipment" and how do you know they use it?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#10. To: Critter, Original_Intent (#7)
Gosh, golly, GEE-WHIZ ... give O_I a break will ya? His 75% ranking with the other four references are worthless.... as I already discussed.
the first link is dead.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#11. To: Critter (#9)
Publick knowledge based upon the 5 frame shot released by DoD of and about AAFLT77 striking the Pentagon. Want a replay? And discussion of how only one frame caught a partial capture of the jet aircraft and the next frame, the fire ball?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#12. To: buckeroo (#11)
No, it's not public knowledge, and any number of combinations of equipment could account for the number of frames in the released video. So tell me, how do you know what equipment the pentagon was using?
Publick knowledge
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#13. To: Critter (#12)
Publick knowledge as I already said. And for the gas stations and hotels.... they use inferior equipment.
So tell me, how do you know what equipment the pentagon was using?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#14. To: buckeroo (#13)
You don't know shit. Just tell me what kind of equipment is on display in this "publick knowledge"? I don't need brand names, just types.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#15. To: Critter (#14)
When it comes to video media capability (and lots of data streaming @Gbytes/sec) you are out of your mind to challenge me on this. What do you really want to learn this evening?
You don't know shit.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#16. To: buckeroo (#15)
How full of shit you really are. I did CCTV systems for a quarter century. You can't bullshit me on this. What type of equipment made those videos?
What do you really want to learn this evening?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#17. To: Critter (#16)
Now... settle down. You know me on a personal basis from years ago. Old technologies have been revamped through government contracts via the many government agencies that you vote for each and every year to save your hide. Publick knowledge @56 fps.
How full of shit you really are.
I did CCTV systems for a quarter century. You can't bullshit me on this.
What type of equipment made those videos?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#18. To: Critter, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, bucktard, buckeroo, all (#7)
Only the first link is dead. The rest are fine. buckerooby just doesn't like them. Gee, why does that not surprise me. Bucktard was asserting on another thread that all the videos had been released. This rebuts that claim so he is avoiding the admission. In other words he was lying on the other thread as the confiscated videos, with the exception of the one that Judicial Watch was able to squeeze out of them, are all of the rest of the 32 videos confiscated from sites around the Pentagram are still under lock and key buried away to ensure that no one can see them.
If the links are dead the links are dead.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#19. To: buckeroo, Nostradumbass, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#10)
Gosh, golly, GEE-WHIZ ... give O_I a break will ya? His 75% ranking with the other four references are worthless.... as I already discussed. No, not worthless. You have asserted that without providing any proof as to how they are so. In fact it is simply a logical fallacy you are asserting as the only point of the references is to show the original source of some of the material in the article. While it is regrettable that even one link is dead, and I did go do some searching - the site no longer even exists. Stuff happens. However, the point of your whining is simply to avoid the substance and point of the article i.e., THAT 9 YEARS AFTER THE FACT THE GOVERNMENT IS STILL SUPPRESSING EVIDENCE. That is a curious datum and the point of posting the article.
the first link is dead.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#20. To: Original_Intent (#18)
Not true. I asserted that material has been released back to the publick. Can you ever get anything right the first time.... or do I have to perpetually correct you?
... asserting on another thread that all the videos had been released.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#21. To: Original_Intent (#19)
Yes. That is true because your own REFERENCES SUCK. Please note: your ORIGINAL_INTENT thread is an ittsy-bitsy, teenie-weenie, little POS thread because you can't post FACT.
You have asserted that without providing any proof as to how they are so.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#22. To: buckeroo, Nostradumbass, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#20)
And you have provided no proof of that assertion. I have provided proof which is directly contrary to that assertion. You are L-Y-I-N-G AS THE VIDEOS ARE STILL BEING WITHHELD AND THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS ARE STILL FORBIDDEN TO SPEAK. There is nothing difficult about this. You have made a false assertion about a state of fact for which you can provide no proof as it is a false assertion i.e., A LIE.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#23. To: buckeroo, tom007, (#4)
So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain. So now even if no factual data is provided, an Argument Ad Hominem is deemed to have taken place because "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links." Does this ploy apply to your searching for all the facts you've posted regarding Hanjour license piloting certification, and his physical presence on Flight 77 confirmed by passenger records and admissions of Arabs about helping him get ID that allowed him to get onto the airplane? In other words, OInk was engaging in an Argumentum AD Hominem" because "anyone can do a search and find the fresh links" that you took the trouble to research then post? Somehow I think OInk is going to come up with a reason why that is not actually true - because in this instance he will be on the receiving end of the Argumentum Ad Hominem charge.
If the links are dead the links are dead. The article was written some time back...Anyone can do a search and find fresh links
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#24. To: RickyJ (#2)
"Videos? What videos? No you can't see the videos. There are no videos and if there were they would just show a 757 anyway. Go back to work serf."
I mean, they must think we are all retarded or something.
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#25. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#3)
Wtf is this "outdated data" crap? Does data expire after an amount of time in your world?
Outdated data from nine years ago
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#26. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine, HOUNDDAWG, buckeroo, FormerLurker, abraxas, James Deffenbach, all (#23)
So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain. AGA So now even if no factual data is provided, an Argument Ad Hominem is deemed to have taken place because "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links." Does this ploy apply to your searching for all the facts you've posted regarding Hanjour license piloting certification, and his physical presence on Flight 77 confirmed by passenger records and admissions of Arabs about helping him get ID that allowed him to get onto the airplane? In other words, OInk was engaging in an Argumentum AD Hominem" because "anyone can do a search and find the fresh links" that you took the trouble to research then post? Somehow I think OInk is going to come up with a reason why that is not actually true - because in this instance he will be on the receiving end of the Argumentum Ad Hominem charge. buck consistently attacks OI's character. He was just doing it on another thread a few minutes ago. You seem to have a serious comprehension problem. Either that or your just simply dishonest. Or both. OI never said that "an Argument Ad Hominem is deemed to have taken place because "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links" OI is not "on the receiving end of the Argumentum Ad Hominem charge" As usual you twist things around to suit your agenda. This does not go unnoticed. There are some good and great minds on this forum. OI is one of them. For you to constantly badger him and use your logical fallacies against him in vain is disrespectful to him and the forum in general. Is your purpose here to impede good debate? Cuz that's what it seems like.
OI If the links are dead the links are dead. The article was written some time back...Anyone can do a search and find fresh links
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#27. To: wudidiz, Nostradumbass, Buckmonster Fullofit, James Deffenbach, Critter, FormerLurker, all (#25)
Wtf is this "outdated data" crap? Does data expire after an amount of time in your world? In that distorted 4 1/4 dimensional Wormhole Universe, lying somewhere between darkness and light, known as the Buckieverse data has an expiration date just like a sack of doughnuts. Along with the expiration of data is the expiration of reality. Reality is thus a rare commodity in the Buckieverse because it is completely expired.
Outdated data from nine years ago
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#28. To: wudidiz (#26)
First, thank you for the kind words and stout defense. Yes, it would seem, by all appearances and actions, that the worthy Ms./Mr. Bloviator is here to stifle debate and "catapult the propaganda".
Is your purpose here to impede good debate? Cuz that's what it seems like.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#29. To: wudidiz (#26)
Yeah, that's why OInk is constantly addressing buck as "bucktard," "Buckmonster Fullofit," and "Nostradumbass," and me by similarly unfavorable terms. BWAHAHAHAHA. Sounds like you're spewing out one of the 25 Rules of Disinformation called "Appeal to Authority." You really must really be a mental midget to allege OInk has any kind of intellectual capacity, other than to take 50 words to say incorrectly what 5 can do.
buck consistently attacks OI's character. He was just doing it on another thread a few minutes ago.
There are some good and great minds on this forum. OI is one of them.
For you to constantly badger him and use your logical fallacies against him in vain is disrespectful to him and the forum in general.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#30. To: AGAviator (#29)
No. To say buck or you shouldn't attack OI's character is not an appeal to authority. To insult me doesn't really help you much either.
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#31. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, FormerLurker, all (#29)
Yeah, that's why OInk is constantly addressing buck as "bucktard," "Buckmonster Fullofit," and "Nostradumbass," and me by similarly unfavorable terms. Only when first provoked. You two consistantly use ad hominems and derogatory language aimed at others with whom you disagree, or are paid to disagree with, and it is not I who threw the first stone. I just have better aim than you do. When someone has to use a "BWAHAHAHAHA" they are generally advertising their attempt to degrade another and this is no exception. Your grasp of logic would seem quite as good as your grasp of facts and their orderly arrangement into sound argument. Meaning of course no grip at all or at least no better than a pansy. Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.
buck consistently attacks OI's character. He was just doing it on another thread a few minutes ago.
You really must really be a mental midget to allege OInk has any kind of intellectual capacity, other than to take 50 words to say incorrectly what 5 can do.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#32. To: wudidiz, AGAviator, all (#30)
To insult me doesn't really help you much either. Not to worry. AGGravator is simply proving his inferiority by attempting to elevate herself by degrading others.
No. To say buck or you shouldn't attack OI's character is not an appeal to authority.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
It only fools the dumb people and they don't count anyway.
AGGravator is simply proving his inferiority by attempting to elevate herself by degrading others.
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#34. To: wudidiz (#24)
I am sure they have taped over them by now to save money. They lost trillions, so they have to start saving to pay it back. :=) LOL!
"Videos? What videos? No you can't see the videos. There are no videos and if there were they would just show a 757 anyway. Go back to work serf."
God is always good!
#35. To: buckeroo (#17)
You don't even resemble the buckeroo I knew from years ago. You have dropped down on the credibility scale to below the level of a BeALoser type, which is pretty freeking low.
You know me on a personal basis from years ago.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
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#36. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, FormerLurker (#25)
Does data expire after an amount of time in your world? You know, what it, that those in the liar movement think that the truth is "outdated crap."
Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#37. To: Original_Intent (#31)
That would be a big step up for him. I bet he has delusions of adequacy at times. In his reality-challenged "mind" (such as it is), he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago.
Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#38. To: wudidiz (#25)
Kind of like the outdated laws of physics these Israeli liars like to use for 9/11.
Wtf is this "outdated data" crap?
God is always good!
#39. To: Critter (#35)
You have dropped down on the credibility scale to below the level of a BeALoser type, which is pretty freeking low. Yep. And defends the government just like BeALoser.
You don't even resemble the buckeroo I knew from years ago.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#40. To: buckeroo, Critter (#17)
Publick knowledge @56 fps. A typical video surveillance system can run from 30 FPS to 480 FPS. Where are you pulling this 56 FPS figure from?
What type of equipment made those videos?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#41. To: James Deffenbach, Critter (#39)
BAC was a bit more on the ball though...
Yep. And defends the government just like BeALoser.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#42. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, Critter, James Deffenbach, tom007, RickyJ (#20)
Can you ever get anything right the first time.... or do I have to perpetually correct you? Where's the video from THESE cameras buckie? Not true. I asserted that ALL material has been released back to the publick.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#43. To: FormerLurker (#41)
Like him or not, BAC was intelligent.
BAC was a bit more on the ball though...
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#44. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, tom007, wudidiz, Original_Intent (#23)
There IS no physical evidence that Hanjour was ever onboard Flight 77, and you know that.
Does this ploy apply to your searching for all the facts you've posted regarding Hanjour license piloting certification, and his physical presence on Flight 77 confirmed by passenger records and admissions of Arabs about helping him get ID that allowed him to get onto the airplane?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: James Deffenbach (#43)
Yep, and even though he wasn't always truthful, but he was at least cordial and had good manners.
Like him or not, BAC was intelligent.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#46. To: FormerLurker (#44)
Didn't you (or someone) post an article that said AA had no record of him buying a ticket? Are the shills arguing that the airlines are now letting people on the plane who don't have tickets?
There IS no physical evidence that Hanjour was ever onboard Flight 77, and you know that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#47. To: FormerLurker (#45)
LOL! He cordially screeched KOOK at everyone who didn't agree with him and the government. Other than that he had some better manners than buck and aggravator.
Yep, and even though he wasn't always truthful, but he was at least cordial and had good manners.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#47)
Well yeah, that and the constant ROTFLOL embedded in each and every post. BUT, compared to buck and AGaggravator, he was another Emily Post.
LOL! He cordially screeched KOOK at everyone who didn't agree with him and the government. Other than that he had some better manners than buck and aggravator.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#49. To: Original_Intent (#0)
Flight77.info 1. Inside the Ring, The Gertz Files, 9/21/01 [cached] All links working now.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#50. To: Original_Intent (#0)
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." - Douglas Adams
#51. To: GreyLmist (#49)
GREAT! Again, that is old data. Any new data to support the the thread's thesis? No?
All links working now.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#52. To: wudidiz, buckeroo (#30)
Only in your delusional mind does addressing buck as "bucktard," "Buckmonster Fullofit," and "Nostradumbass," and me by similarly unfavorable terms, qualify as saying "you or buck shouldn't attack OInk's character." Did you and Hanjour once take English from the same tutor?
No. To say buck or you shouldn't attack OI's character is not an appeal to authority.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#53. To: buckeroo (#51)
All links working now. GREAT! Again, that is old data. Any new data to support the the thread's thesis? No? Nine years later, all systems go! As they say, better late than never.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#54. To: OInk, buckeroo (#31)
I already posted excerpts from the 1st 50 posts on the 1200 post thread started by buck which christine locked, which amply demonstrate you are L-Y-I-N-G. Ya know OInk, praise really does smell better when it comes from somebody other than yourself...HAHAHAA..
Only when first provoked. You two consistantly use ad hominems and derogatory language aimed at others with whom you disagree, or are paid to disagree with, and it is not I who threw the first stone. I just have better aim than you do.
I just have better aim than you do.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#55. To: buckeroo (#3) (Edited)
Post #49 All links are working now. It doesn't really matter what you think of websites 1-4 as they are simply footnoted references re: these points: The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 The FBI visited the Citgo gas station southwest of the Pentagon within minutes of the attack to confiscate film that may have captured the attack. According to Jose Velasquez, who was working at the gas station at the time of the attack, the station's security cameras would have captured the attack. 2 September 15, 2006: Judicial Watch announces the release of video from CITGO gas station. 3 The video consists mostly of views of the interior of the gas station and does not appear to capture the attack. December 2, 2006: Judicial Watch obtains a video recording from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington. The video, which does not include a view of the Pentagon's facade, shows an explosion but does not capture an approaching jetliner. 4 If the first drive-in movie feature released by the Pentagon is "smokey and the bandits", what should we call the 2nd releases? Looks something like a 2 part sci-fi flick. Also, what's with this date and timestamping for the first Pentagon video release? Ref: 911review.org: Officials could not immediately explain why the date typed near the bottom of each photograph is September 12 and the time is written as 5:37 p.m. The attack happened at about 9:37 a.m. on September 11. Officials said it was possible that the date and time were added the day after the attack when they may have been catalogued for investigative purposes..." NOTE: CNN wrote that "at 9:43 a.m., a hijacked Boeing 757 slammed into part of the 29-acre complex used by uniformed and civilian employees of the U.S. military", while Associated Press wrote it was about 9:37 a.m 9/Sept. 12 (1+2=3) = 93 (The Law in occult lingo) XX = Doublecross Missing sequence after (1) and (2) above = 20 = XX = Doublecross
You: Yes..... it *IS* probable they didn't capture a jet flying at 500MPH in any frame. Anyone want to debate?
The plane was moving at 1.25 miles per second, that's over 400 feet per frame of video capture at a given 15 frames per second. The time of the video tape is off probably for the same reasons. The images cover a span of four one-hundredths of a second. That can't be right! At that rate, the security camera would be taking 125 frames per second! Movies are 24 frames per second and TV is 30 frames per second. Why the hell would a security camera have a framerate of 4-5 times that of movie and television? They must mean that each image itself covers a span of 4/100ths of a second, giving a total 2/10ths of a second for the entire sequence. If the captions document the date and time it was catalogued, why does the clock part read: (1) 17:37:19 (2) 17:37:19 (3) 17:37:21 (4) 17:37:22 (5) 17:37:23
37 = 3+7 = 10 = X (Roman Numeral)
19 = 1+9 = 10 = X (Roman Numeral)
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#56. To: FormerLurker (#44)
What are you expecting, DNA?
There IS no physical evidence that Hanjour was ever onboard Flight 77, and you know that
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#57. To: AGAviator (#53)
The issue of this thread is there is this GRAND COVER-UP by the US Government when it is holding data for criminal investigations or for actual litigation. I don't understand the perception at all. To the best of my knowledge ALL material has been released back to the original owners of that material. It is another thread debunked as far as I am concerned. This thread uses old, useless and tired spin-cycles to produce something fresh. O_I has proven that he can't produce anything of value to support his conspiracy theory.
Nine years later, all systems go!
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#58. To: GreyLmist, AGAviator (#55)
ThaT HOTEL IS THE DOUBLETREE HOTEL.... the footage is shown here: This gets tiring to categorically prove every bullet item ... so I am stopping with one, above.
The FBI visited a hotel near the Pentagon to confiscate film from a security camera which some hotel employees had been watching in horror shortly after the attack. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#59. To: buckeroo (#57)
You mean declaring himself as "erudite," and making statements "you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own" aren't acceptable proof of Fight 77 being teleported to the Bahamas? Man, where's Yogi "Who'd a thunk it" Berra when you need him for a pithy quote?
O_I has proven that he can't produce anything of value to support his conspiracy theory.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#60. To: AGAviator (#59)
He has declared himself an intellectual yet, he is the epitome of a pseudo-intellectual as he can't grasp a concept while throwing around polysyllables to pretend a concept. At least he aspires to be an intellectual.... given time, he may achieve a new level of awareness about himself and his own surroundings.
You mean declaring himself as "erudite," and making statements "you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own" aren't acceptable proof of Fight 77 being teleported to the Bahamas?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#61. To: GreyLmist (#55) (Edited)
That's impossible. A rifle bullet travels about 2900 feet per second. A mile per second is 5280 feet per second. 500 mph is actually 733 feet per second, or 0.14 miles per second.
The plane was moving at 1.25 miles per second,
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#62. To: buckeroo (#58) (Edited)
I'm posting this video to compare the moving target type thing at the top of the WTC to the moving target type thing at the Pentagon. [Ref: 2:08 in your posted video]: 9- 11 phone call from Kevin Cosgrove
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#63. To: FormerLurker (#48)
So you think he was a tranny? >(;^{]
Well yeah, that and the constant ROTFLOL embedded in each and every post. BUT, compared to buck and AGaggravator, he was another Emily Post.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#64. To: GreyLmist (#62)
There is no direct correlation, of course. That was a shocking clip you provided.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#65. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, GreyLmist, Original_Intent (#58)
What a crock. Just as an example of the horsecrap in that video, the claim is made that a "contrail" is formed behind the jet as it approaches the Pentagon. Since you and your pal AG seem to know all about contrails when it comes to discussing "chemtrails", you should know that contrails are only formed by the hot exhaust of the engines heating up very cold moist air at high altitudes. They do NOT form at ground level. Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal. It wasn't that big of a deal in terms of aircraft limits, but it WAS a big deal in terms of how commercial airliners are meant to fly versus how military aircraft are meant to fly. Your video also tries to block out the surrounding area of that single frame shot, superimposing an outline of an aircraft on top of what it alleges is Flight 77. You could superimpose that outline over virtually ANYTHING and claim that it is a 757 using that technique. How extraordinarilly unscientific. When I have more time I'd like to go over the video in more detail, but you can chew on the observations I've just made if you'd like. BTW, have you been able to figure out what happened to the Pentagon roof cam videos?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: buckeroo (#60) (Edited)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#67. To: GreyLmist (#62)
I don't believe any of those videos support any claim that Flight 77 was what hit the Pentagon. And I can't believe those are the best quality videos they have either. If they are someone, whoever bought the cameras that took the pictures, should go to prison.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#68. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#61)
Which is why the various recorded films are obscure from frame to frame to frame. And the recorded evidence has been released back to the original owners after investigation. I wonder what our next 911 thread will be? Mine normally get LOCKED .... most of the others are boring to me.
500 mph is actually 733 feet per second, or 0.14 miles per second.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#69. To: Turtle (#50)
Then why does the government keep refusing to release the videos that would prove it? If the videos show what they claim they would have had them on the news the same night it happened and we would have seen them over and over. The fact they refuse to release anything but $#it video that you can't tell anything about proves that they are hiding the truth.
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#70. To: AGAviator (#66)
Too funney. That post is awesome... with a bit of luck, O_I will take a peek.
I'm gonna send OInk's next huffings and puffings to these guys and see what they can reduce them to...
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#71. To: buckeroo (#58)
Your own video says: "it can't be said for sure whether or not the object is Flight 77." All it does is try to declare something it aknowledges is too small and too slow as a match. The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1 Do you think they're lying about that?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#72. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, GreyLmist, James Deffenbach, Original_Intent, wudidiz, RickyJ (#68)
Actually, if the frame rate is 30 fps, then you should be able to see the plane move 1/30 of 733 feet every frame, or 24.4 feet per frame. So why again doesn't the plane show up? And the recorded evidence has been released back to the original owners after investigation. If you say so. So where's the Sheraton video, or the Virginia DOT videos? How about the video from the Pentagon roof cams?
Which is why the various recorded films are obscure from frame to frame to frame.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: GreyLmist (#71)
There are no clear videos is the point. But there are plenty of eyewitnesses: The FBI denied that the footage captured the attack. 1
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#74. To: buckeroo (#64)
There is no direct correlation, of course. Says you. What do you think those moving target type things are at the Pentagon and WTC in those videos? That was a shocking clip you provided. If the soundtrack is true.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#75. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
That would be a big step up for him. I bet he has delusions of adequacy at times. In his reality-challenged "mind" (such as it is), he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago. The "almost" bright have a big button on self importance. In some ways I do feel sorry for them because there is so much that they miss - and never even realize it. Sad really.
Admit it, you're just a jealous anti-intellectual who feels inferior when confronted by someone whose command of the language vastly exceeds your own. However, we can't all subsist on monosyllables and schoolyard taunts. A pity you have never risen above it. You might even have aspired to mediocrity.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#76. To: Lod (#1)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#77. To: RickyJ (#2)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#78. To: RickyJ (#2)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#79. To: buckeroo, All (#5)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#80. To: Critter (#6)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#81. To: Eric Stratton, Lod (#76)
Made It Happen On Purpose
MIHOP?
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#82. To: Turdle, Turtle, all (#50)
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon. Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. 136 people reported a plane approaching the Pentagon. However, it has never been my contention that something did not hit the Pentagon. I do believe something did, however there is a strong possibility that it was not Flight 77 as advertised. The aerodynamics alone suggest that a 757, with wings unmodified, could not have made the alleged approach. However, I fall short of asserting a firm theory as I simply do not know, and I find the "Official Fairy Tale™" unconvincing because there are too many contrary datums. While much of it is circumstantial, which I freely admit, some of that circumstance is the suppression of information, the changing stories, and outright falsehoods told to try and sell the "Official Fairy Tale™". When someone tries to sell me a story with facts in conflict my first reaction is "wait just a minute". Do not presume to put words in my mouth.
It is striking that there is neither video footage nor any photographic evidence in the public domain showing a jetliner approaching or crashing into the Pentagon
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#83. To: Original_Intent (#82)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#84. To: Original_Intent (#82)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#85. To: Eric Stratton (#83)
That, along with trying to SELL Hani Hanjoor SUPERPILOT when he was a known incompetent behind the stick, are two of the most glaring outpoints. That all of the videos except a few carefully selected snippets (one of which, the parking lot camera clip, looks like it could be a computer animation) have been suppressed, along with the gag order on the Air Traffic Controllers who watched the whole thing on their scopes, are BIG RED FLAGS. Paging Mr./Ms. Nostradumbass. Paging Mr./Ms. Nostradumbass! Paging Mr./Ms. Bloviator. Paging Mr./Ms. Bloviator.
A very quick and easy sale would have been made with a single video, just one of the many available, of the plane hitting the Pentagon, yet the opposite approach was used by the perps.
..., only a true real life moron believes the official shitpiece story.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#86. To: Eric Stratton (#84)
And let's also not forget the VDOT camera, which should have had the entire damned skyline to the west and north of the Pentagon within its focus that morning, and does now in the a.m., and it gets even more made for morons. Yes. It would definitely take a moron or a shill of some flavor to accept the "Official Fairy Tale™" unquestioned. Paging the usual suspects. Paging the usual suspects.
However, I fall short of asserting a firm theory as I simply do not know, and I find the "Official Fairy Tale™" unconvincing because there are too many contrary datums. While much of it is circumstantial, which I freely admit, some of that circumstance is the suppression of information, the changing stories, and outright falsehoods told to try and sell the "Official Fairy Tale™". When someone tries to sell me a story with facts in conflict my first reaction is "wait just a minute". Do not presume to put words in my mouth.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#87. To: FormerLurker (#65)
The spiraling contrail on the jet, came from the aircraft "ingesting" a piece of a lamp it clipped directly into the starboard engine, where it tore up the internal parts and caused smoking immediately as the engine itself was running at full speed. So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process.
Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#88. To: FormerLurker, Buckeroo, Banzai (#40)
Out his ass.
Where are you pulling this 56 FPS figure from?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#89. To: turtle, buckeroo (#82) (Edited)
Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. 136 people reported a plane approaching the Pentagon Doncha know that in the split second between the time they saw the plane approaching, and the time it crashed - proceeding as it was at 530 MPH or over 770 feet per second, the 757 got teleported elsewhere without anybody noticing. And replaced with a still-unidentified craft. Because even though the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff, except for 1 infant, they're lying, and the real AA Flight 11 757 passenger victims were done away with elsewhere, and the body pieces and DNA fragments that showed up at the Pentagon crash site were actually from persons unknown. Ya with me?
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#90. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz, Nostradumbass, Buckmonster Fullofit, buckeroo, James Deffenbach, Critter, FormerLurker, all (#27)
I think it's the 8th dimension: In that distorted 4 1/4 dimensional Wormhole Universe, lying somewhere between darkness and light, known as the Buckieverse data has an expiration date just like a sack of doughnuts.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#91. To: OInk, buckeroo, turtle (#85)
That, along with trying to SELL Hani Hanjoor SUPERPILOT
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#92. To: Critter (#90)
LOL! That's funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#93. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, AGSpincycle, AGovernmentShill, tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, abraxas, IRTorqued, Critter, Dakmar, HOUNDDAWG, all (#89)
Bzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong answer. 136 people reported a plane approaching the Pentagon Doncha know that in the split second between the time they saw the plane approaching, and the time it crashed - proceeding as it was at 530 MPH or over 770 feet per second, the 757 got teleported elsewhere without anybody noticing. And replaced with a still-unidentified craft. Because even though the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff, except for 1 infant, they're lying, and the real AA Flight 11 757 passenger victims were done away with elsewhere, and the body pieces and DNA fragments that showed up at the Pentagon crash site were actually from persons unknown. Ya with me? A. I'm not with you, I don't associate with quislings other than to point out that they are quislings. B. I have advanced no theory as to what the reality is although there are a couple of possibilities. Which I won't bother detailing as you are not interested in anything not in perfect alignment with the "Official Fairy Tale™". C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works. However, you are not interested in data, or apparent contradictions to the "Official Conspiracy Theory™". No, you are interested only in catapulting the propaganda.
You're a lunatic. Almost 140 people saw a saw a plane crash into the Pentagon.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#94. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, buckeroo, bonzai, Original_Intent, James Defenbach (#87)
Why have you never addressed the fact that the NTSB's interpretation of the FDR data shows a flight path far from the light poles? Are going to conveniently ignore that fact forever?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#95. To: AGAviator, FormerLurker, wudidiz, critter, James Deffenbach, all (#87)
The spiraling contrail on the jet, came from the aircraft "ingesting" a piece of a lamp it clipped directly into the starboard engine, where it tore up the internal parts and caused smoking immediately as the engine itself was running at full speed. So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process. And you know this speculation to be a fact how?
Then the video tries to allege it's from the "stressful manuevers" performed during its descent, causing an engine to smoke. Yet, both you and AG have INSISTED that the manuever was no big deal.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#96. To: RickyJ, Original_Intent, wudidiz, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, (#2)
the bulk of the work I did up to and after 9-11-01 was done from a workstation connected to a secure military network on which I would from time to time pull up the live streams from the pentagons various cameras but for some reason for about a week prior to and right at two weeks after 9-11 those feeds were not accessible. prior to 9-11 I didn't think much about it just that it was kind of odd, after 9-11 I asked myself "what didn't they want people to see?" I don't expect them to release anything they have whipped up until they are sure they have taken care of all the loose ends.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#97. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#5)
bucky, has the government given you of the liar movement any new information lately? go ahead and reply, it is a hoot how full of crap you are.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#98. To: IRTorqued (#96)
I just wonder how many more "loose ends" they need to "erase"?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#99. To: wudidiz, All (#98)
Hey Wud!
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#100. To: Critter, buckeroo, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#17)
in other words bucky is once again full of crap
Now... settle down. You know me on a personal basis from years ago.
Old technologies have been revamped through government contracts via the many government agencies that you vote for each and every year to save your hide.
Publick knowledge @56 fps.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#101. To: wudidiz, All (#99) (Edited)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#102. To: Original_Intent (#98)
I reckon we'll know when they've hit the last one, they'll release some footage akin to Forrest Gump with LBJ and John Lennon.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#103. To: AGAviator, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent (#23)
that is a whole lot of verbiage to tell us that you, bucky and the rest of the liar movement have nothing.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#104. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
the best AGovshill has done is second place and that was a debate with ewecon and then he dropped to third place when maddoggie chimed in.
he probably thinks he is "winning" a debate that normal people can see he lost some time ago.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#105. To: IRTorqued (#96)
things that make you go hmmmmmm....
but for some reason for about a week prior to and right at two weeks after 9-11 those feeds were not accessible. prior to 9-11
#106. To: Original_Intent (#95)
well, because AGovshill is nearly as good a pilot as hanjour.
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#107. To: christine (#105)
that they do2
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#108. To: OInk, buckeroo, turtle, ton007 (#93) (Edited)
As usual you make grandiose bull$hit statements whose sole sources are your pin head and other people just as stupid as you. DNA forensics are regularly used throughout the world to identify fire victims. Identification of exhumed remains of fire tragedy victims Underscoring the importance of identifying each of the human remains, the bodies were exhumed 3 months after the tragedy. We describe here our work, which was the first national case handled by local laboratories wherein conventional and molecular-based techniques were successfully applied in forensic identification. The study reports analysis of DNA obtained from skeletal remains exposed to conditions of burning, burial, and exhumation. DNA typing methods using autosomal and Y-chromosomal short tandem repeat (Y- STR) markers reinforced postmortem examinations using conventional identification techniques. The strategy resulted in the identification of 18 out of the 21 human remains analyzed, overcoming challenges encountered due to the absence of established procedures for the recovery of mass disaster remains. There was incomplete antemortem information to match the postmortem data obtained from the remains of 3 female child victims. Two victims were readily identified due to the availability of antemortem tissues. In the absence of this biologic material, parentage testing was performed using reference blood samples collected from parents and relatives. Data on patrilineal lineage based on common Y-STR haplotypes augmented autosomal DNA typing, particularly in deficiency cases. Again. C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in.
Abstract In a fire tragedy in Manila in December 1998, one of the worst tragic incidents which resulted in the reported death of 23 children, identity could not be established initially resulting in the burial of still unidentified bodies.
pwned. 
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#109. To: OInk, buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#95) (Edited)
And you know this speculation to be a fact how? From being able to read grown-up reports instead of comic book web k00ktheories. So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#110. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, IRTorqued, wudidiz, RickyJ, GreyLmist, FormerLurker, James Deffenbach, Rotara, abraxas, Original_Intent, christine (#109)
I guess I have to keep asking AGAviator: Why have you never addressed the fact that the NTSB's analysis of the FDR data shows a flight path far from the light poles? Are going to conveniently ignore that fact forever?
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#111. To: IRTorqued (#96)
I thought it was odd when shortwave radio broadcasting from Britain to North America was shut down around July of 2001. After 9/11, I thought it was even more odd. Still do, since the excuse of money doesn't seem to be the reason because a new "Radio Africa" shortwave station was apparently launched from the UK in December 2001.
the bulk of the work I did up to and after 9-11-01 was done from a workstation connected to a secure military network on which I would from time to time pull up the live streams from the pentagons various cameras but for some reason for about a week prior to and right at two weeks after 9-11 those feeds were not accessible. prior to 9-11 I didn't think much about it just that it was kind of odd, after 9-11 I asked myself "what didn't they want people to see?" I don't expect them to release anything they have whipped up until they are sure they have taken care of all the loose ends.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#112. To: Critter (#110)
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#113. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, AGSpincycle, AGovernmentShill, tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#109)
And you know this speculation to be a fact how? From being able to read grown-up reports instead of comic book web k00ktheories. Shill to English Translation: No response - just a vague and unsubstantiated reiteration of the "Official Fairy Tale™".
So the "stressful maneuver" was from flying full speed and clipping light poles in the process.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#114. To: IRTorqued, buckeroo, turtle (#103)
It is your fellow Half Tw00fer OInk who explicitly states - when found with zero working links giving supporting data - that it's irrelevant, because the links already exist, and anybody can find them so he doesn't really have to support anything he says.
that is a whole lot of verbiage to tell us that you, bucky and the rest of the liar movement have nothing.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#115. To: Oink, buckeroo, turtle, red007 (#113) (Edited)
OInk says: "No links, no problem. They're out there somewhere" "If the links are dead the links are dead." ""So, given your use of Argumentum Ad Hominem and attacking dead links a Strawman Argument you actually have no rebuttal other than to attack side issues, but the facts remain. "Anyone can do a search and find fresh links. "Likely the URL's may have changed Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-03 20:44:46 Shill to English Translation: No response -
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#116. To: AGAviator (#114)
That's not true. Guess what that statement makes you look like besides irrational. Can you spell l-i-a-r? Better if you recant and quickly.
when found with zero working links giving supporting data
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#117. To: AGAviator (#112)
Posting some cartoon based on the official lie doesn't address the fact that the ultimate authority in plane crashes says the plane followed a different path. The official FDR data contradicts the official fairy tale. Why is that? Just answer the question shill.
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#118. To: Critter, buckeroo, (#117)
So there will be no arm-waving, post your word for word "Official FDR Data," then post your word for word "Official Fairy Tale." From official sources, verbatim. All you've produced up to now is a bunch allegations and hot air.
The official FDR data contradicts the official fairy tale. Why is that?
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#119. To: GreyLmist, buckeroo, turtle, red007 (#116)
when found with zero working links giving supporting data That's not true. Guess what that statement makes you look like besides irrational The statement was made that it is not neccesary to produce working sources because they're out there somewhere. That's not true.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#120. To: Original_Intent (#93)
Has to be more "Magic(k)." What else could account for it? We have heard now about Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™, Magic(k)al Windows™, Magic(k)al plane wings that fold back into the fuselage™ and Magic(k)al Jet Engines™ that liquefy and disappear when they hit highly reinforced walls. Seems like a lot of Magic(k) going on.
C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#121. To: IRTorqued (#96)
It would be wise not to stand on one foot and hold your breath waiting for the government to tell the truth about 9/11. Too many high ranking people would be charged and convicted of treason and murder.
I don't expect them to release anything they have whipped up until they are sure they have taken care of all the loose ends.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#122. To: IRTorqued (#104)
A "debate" with yukon and maddog--the mind boggles at the thought of such a thing, especially losing a debate with one or both of them.
the best AGovshill has done is second place and that was a debate with ewecon and then he dropped to third place when maddoggie chimed in.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#123. To: AGAviator, GreyLmist, Original_Intent, all (#119)
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#124. To: James Deffenbach (#120)
Has to be more "Magic(k)." What else could account for it? We have heard now about Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™, Magic(k)al Windows™, Magic(k)al plane wings that fold back into the fuselage™ and Magic(k)al Jet Engines™ that liquefy and disappear when they hit highly reinforced walls. Seems like a lot of Magic(k) going on. Yes, Osama and the 19 Stooges seem to have had vast Magickal powers at their disposal. Osama waves the Magick Cellphone® and look at what happens? Three skyscrapers fall down no less, NORAD is struck with the stoopids, and PNAC is given their "new Pearl Harbor". WWHS? (What Would Houdini Say?)
C. Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#125. To: James Deffenbach, IRTorqued (#122)
A "debate" with yukon and maddog--the mind boggles at the thought of such a thing, especially losing a debate with one or both of them. Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
the best AGovshill has done is second place and that was a debate with ewecon and then he dropped to third place when maddoggie chimed in.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#126. To: AGAviator (#115)
I am not going to be drawn into a mud slinging exchange. Please to go fuck yourself. You are not really even worthy of the time it takes to dismiss you.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#127. To: AGAviator (#89)
Well that's odd, since it was supposed to be Flight 77 which hit the Pentagon, not Flight 11.
Because even though the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#128. To: OInk, buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#126)
Unlike you I don't circle jerk over 8+ years of worthless useless k00kfodder. Since you are the one always initiating these exchanges you are claiming you will no longer address anything to me. Something....makes me think you are lying - again. In any case, your lie is now bookmarked. I am not going to be drawn into a mud slinging exchange
Please to go fuck yourself.
You are not really even worthy of the time it takes to dismiss you.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#129. To: AGAviator (#128)
He lost his own thread using old links PROVEN to be out of date. And he ended it using profane language.
Title: Pentagon Attack Footage The Suppression of Video Footage of the Pentagon Attack Source: 911 Research URL Source: http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/footage.html Published: Aug 3, 2010 Author: Not Given Post Date: 2010-08-03 17:16:05 by Keywords: Pentagon, suppressed, video, impact Views: 580 Comments: 128
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#130. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, James Deffenbach, all (#129) (Edited)
1 out 4 footnote links was a dead link. Once again you lie and misrepresent. And NEVER have you addressed nor refuted any of the listed data in the article. Instead your entire repetoire is to build a Strawman Argument to divert from the substance of the article which totally refutes your claim, on another thread, that all of the videos taken from cameras surrounding the Pentagram had been released and convincingly proves it FALSE. You are a L-I-A-R and are proven so by YOUR OWN WORDS.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#131. To: buckeroo, AGAviator (#129)
One of four links didn't work. Why do you two continue to lie about it and make THIS a huge issue.....when it's actually NOTHING? I think because you don't have anything of value to add to the conversation or because you get paid to distract, divert and dispense of disinformation.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#132. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator (#130)
Once again you lie and misrepresent. Sorry Charlie, ALL of them were... earliest 2002 to latest 2005. Name one that were within the past TWO years. You have an epitaph now: 1 out 4 footnote links was out of date.
Original_Intent lost his own thread using old links PROVEN to be out of date. And he ended it using profane language.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#133. To: buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#129)
Well, you know the drill. Start another thread, repeating the same bull$hit, the same attacks, the same hot air, with the same circle of 5-10 participators.
He lost his own thread using old links PROVEN to be out of date. And he ended it using profane language
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#134. To: buckeroo, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, all (#132)
So, in what way does that prove anything false? Does the fact that a reference was written in 1942 prove that WWII did not occur? Does the fact that a reference was written in 1935 prove that the Titanic did not sink? Your logic, as usual, is perfect. Perfectly invalid and false. You are attempting to lie again. Your Strawman has been burned so you respond with not facts to counter the article but instead resort to a personal attack i.e., Argumentum Ad Hominem.
Sorry Charlie, ALL of them were... earliest 2002 to latest 2005. Name one that were within the past TWO years.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#135. To: abraxas, buckeroo (#131)
The issue that I explicitly addressed was not the non working links. But the explicit OInk declaration stating that providing working links isn't important , because the links are already out there in cyberspace somewhere, therefore it is a "Strawman personal ad hominem" to even point out the existence of nonworking links on replying posts.
One of four links didn't work. Why do you two continue to lie about it and make THIS a huge issue
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#136. To: AGAviator (#133)
I really enjoy the constant change of venue on a single thread discussing a topic by the TWOOFER_FAERIES™. It just adds to the drama, the spin and the BS... to stay on topic. Lets' get back to basics: FACTS, DATA, WITNESSES, EVIDENCE. All I need is one little piece of data to climb with my automated webcrawlers .... to see if there is any reason about this stuff. This thread is busted.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#137. To: AGAviator, buckaroo (#133)
Start another thread, repeating the same bull$hit, the same attacks, the same hot air, with the same circle of 5-10 participators. Yeah, then you can rush in a post your cartoon video for the umpteenth time, as if the lot of us haven't seen that enough, along with ALL the other videos in your collection that you post OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again. As if posting it ONE more time will make an itoa of difference when it has failed every other time. On the new thread, Buckie will rush to be the FIRST to post, then the two of you will take up the bulk of the space repeating the same BS, the same attacks, the same hot air, whining, sniveling, bitching, back biting and bloviating. Then, the two of you will lament that this last thread was almost "stellar" ad nauseum. Yes, I think we all know the drill.
Well, you know the drill.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#138. To: Original_Intent (#125)
He aspires to be as intelligent as an average kindergarten student. Probably some beyond his reach though.
Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#139. To: AGAviator, AGBloviator, AGSpincycle, AGovernmentShill, tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, Critter, Dakmar, HOUNDDAWG, all (#135)
But the explicit OInk declaration stating that providing working links isn't important , because the links are already out there in cyberspace somewhere, therefore it is a "Strawman personal ad hominem" to even point out the existence of nonworking links on replying posts. And that in what disproves the thesis and data in the article? You are again engaging in a disinformation ploy, a variation on Argumentum Ad Hominem, by attempting to make me, and personal attacks on me, the issue and thus attempting to obscure and avoid the issues which are not a dead link in a footnote but the FACT that, with one exception which is inconclusive, ALL of the videos illegally confiscated by the FBI on the afternoon of 911 are NINE YEARS LATER still being suppressed and hidden away. Further, NINE YEARS AFTER THE FACT OF 911 the AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS are still being prevented from speaking because of a GAG ORDER. Neither you nor Buckmonster Fullofit will address directly and forthrightly the issues. Instead you engage in spin, avoidance, obfuscation, and personal attacks. That two such low lives as yourselves would be detailed to a small discussion forum to disrupt discussion of the criminal acts of your masters tells how very much true the fact that 911 is still alive as an issue and that the main government, and behind the scenes, players are still scared shitless that the general public will show up at their door with a nice stout piece of rope.
The issue that I explicitly addressed was not the non working links.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#140. To: Original_Intent (#134)
Old links? Stale data? Stinky, pal. You have lied to the forum intentionally BECAUSE you can't find refreshing or new or invigorating information to support a silly and speculative idea you hold. You were busted many posts up.
So, in what way does that prove anything false?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#141. To: abraxas (#137)
Then, the two of you will lament that this last thread was almost "stellar" ad nauseum.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#142. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, christine, AGBloviator, all (#136)
Just as in your first post on this thread you repeat the same false Argumentum Ad Hominem tactic in an attempt to divert from the fact that neither you nor bloviator have at any time on this thread disproved ANY element in the original article beginning this thread. Instead you chuckle like a hyena congratulating each other on your brilliance in avoiding any issue which shows that your primary stock in trade are lies, diversions, and misrepresentations.
I really enjoy the constant change of venue on a single thread discussing a topic by the TWOOFER_FAERIES™. It just adds to the drama, the spin and the BS... to stay on topic.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#143. To: James Deffenbach (#141)
lol......great visual. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#144. To: buckeroo, Buckmonster Fullofit, Nostradumbass, abraxas, Critter, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, wudidiz, IRTorqued, christine, AGBloviator, all (#140)
You have lied to the forum intentionally BECAUSE you can't find refreshing or new or invigorating information to support a silly and speculative idea you hold. So, again you avoid the issues and resort to Argumentum Ad Hominem and resort to disinformation ploys to obscure the FACT that you are a LIAR and are absolutely and completely avoiding like the plague addressing any of the data in the article. Tell us buckster does something become untrue merely because of the passage of time? Is 2+2 no longer 4 merely because it was first computed eons ago? Has the Constitution become invalid because of age. Your argument is a diversion and is a false attempt to avoid addressing the issues but to instead divert with irrelevancies and personal attacks. You are engaging in disinformation tactics. Why do you find in necessary to engage in disinformation, avoidance, and spin?
Old links? Stale data? Stinky, pal.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#145. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#142)
Just one minor, teenie-weenie, little ittsy-bitsy tiny, microscopic detail, O_I. You have presented no relevant or up-to-date FACTS. Again, you have lied to the forum.
Just as in your first post on this thread you repeat the same false Argumentum Ad Hominem tactic in an attempt to divert from the fact that neither you nor bloviator have at any time on this thread disproved ANY element in the original article beginning this thread.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#146. To: abraxas (#143)
Now maybe aggravator and buck will have something to look at while they are whining about locked threads, locked threads which they themselves caused. But what was truly funny was that thread buck started and in which he got his butt handed to him over and over and over. It was beautiful.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#147. To: buckeroo, christine, Original_Intent (#145)
This from a shill who continues to push the government theory established in 2001 while preaching his sermon from the NIST bible and pretending it contains facts.
Just one minor, teenie-weenie, little ittsy-bitsy tiny, microscopic detail, O_I. You have presented no relevant or up-to-date FACTS.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#148. To: James Deffenbach, AGBloviator, all (#138)
He aspires to be as intelligent as an average kindergarten student. Probably some beyond his reach though. Given his reliance on argumentum ad hominem, diversion, misrepresentation, and cut and paste one might reasonably conclude so.
Kind of like flunking Kindergarten.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#149. To: Original_Intent (#148)
They (aggravator and buck) went directly to pounding the table instead of trying to argue facts and/or the law, neither of which is on their side.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#150. To: Original_Intent, AGAviator, christine (#142)
I assume you are conditioned by James, AB, and a few others to chime in to aid your stinky efforts. I don't or ever have agreed with anyone here or anywhere unless they are supported by FACTS. Unlike yourself, I don't need a slap on the back because of a post. As you told AG: go FUCK YOURSELF.
nstead you chuckle like a hyena congratulating each other on your brilliance in avoiding any issue which shows that your primary stock in trade are lies, diversions, and misrepresentations.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#151. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine (#150)
You love facts so much, you dance around them as if they were hot coals. Where are the Pentagon roof cam videos? Where are the Virginia Department of Transportation tapes? Those tapes have NOT been made public, and would definitively prove one way or another what exactly happened at the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001. Why are they still not being made available, 9 years after the fact?
I don't or ever have agreed with anyone here or anywhere unless they are supported by FACTS. Unlike yourself, I don't need a slap on the back because of a post
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#152. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator, Original_Intent, christine (#151)
Let's play cards, partner. Got any FACTS? Or are ya just bluffing again?
You love facts so much, you dance around them as if they were hot coals.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#153. To: buckeroo (#152)
I call your BLUFF buck......
Let's play cards, partner
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#154. To: buckeroo (#152) (Edited)
I asked a question. Where are those Pentagon roof cam videos, and the Virginia Department of Transportation videos? You know, the videos THESE Pentagon cameras would have taken; And here are a few views of what the Virginia DOT cameras would have seen; Let's play cards, partner. Got any FACTS? Or are ya just bluffing again?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#155. To: FormerLurker (#154)
Good questions. Yet your dialog does not lead to discovery of or about anything worth a grain of salt. In effect, pal, your pants are pulled-offed within the publick domain. I don't believe in government possessing ALL these infinite capabilities, as yourself.
Where are those Pentagon roof cam videos, and the Virginia Department of Transportation videos?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#156. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, Original_Intent, abraxas, wudidiz, James Deffenbach, IRTorqued, GreyLmist (#152)
Where is the Citgo station video from the camera facing the Pentagon? 
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#157. To: buckeroo (#155)
Huh? So where are those videos? Why are they being withheld?
Good questions. Yet your dialog does not lead to discovery of or about anything worth a grain of salt. In effect, pal, your pants are pulled-offed within the publick domain.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#158. To: FormerLurker (#157)
They don't exist, pal.
So where are those videos? Why are they being withheld?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#159. To: FormerLurker, Original_Intent, abraxas, James Deffenbach (#157)
It's almost as if they don't want us to see them...... would they do that?
So where are those videos? Why are they being withheld?
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#160. To: buckeroo (#158)
So you're saying they were destroyed, right?
They don't exist, pal.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#161. To: FormerLurker (#160)
They never existed. Your assumptions make ALL this stuff up.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#162. To: wudidiz, Original_Intent, abraxas, James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#159)
would they do that? I think we all know the answer to that... According to buck, they don't exist anymore.
It's almost as if they don't want us to see them......
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#163. To: FormerLurker (#162)
Exactly.
According to buck, they don't exist anymore.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#164. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker (#161)
Yeah all this is made up. It's just a big fabrication to give us an excuse to argue with you on the Internet. /s
They never existed. Your assumptions make ALL this stuff up.
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#165. To: buckeroo (#161) (Edited)
Oh yes they did. The VDOT videos were confiscated within minutes after the explosion, the Citgo station videos within minutes as well, and for certain the Pentagon camera videos have been kept under lock and seal.
They never existed.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#166. To: buckeroo, wudidiz, Original_Intent (#163)
Me: According to buck, they don't exist anymore. You: Exactly. So now you admit that they once existed. Which one is it, are you saying those tapes were destroyed, or do they still exist?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#167. To: FormerLurker (#165)
Only for official government purposes for investigation about one of the most serious crimes EVER perpetrated on US soil. ALL material has been properly released back to the rightful owners hands.
The VDOT videos were confiscated within minutes after the explosion, the Citgo station videos within minutes as well, and for certain the Pentagon cameras videos have been kept under lock and seal.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#168. To: buckeroo (#167)
So you're saying that the Virginia Department of Transportation has been given their videos back? Got proof? Or that the videos belonging to the Citgo station have been returned to the Citgo station owners? Got proof? Since the Pentagon cameras were US Government property, they obviously still have THOSE. So why aren't any of those videos being made public?
Only for official government purposes for investigation about one of the most serious crimes EVER perpetrated on US soil. ALL material has been properly released back to the rightful owners hands.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#169. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#168)
Or that the videos belonging to the Citgo station have been returned to the Citgo station owners? Got proof? I am not chasing after your WILD claims anymore for presentation wherein I have categorically beaten you to a pulp (or AGAviator for that matter) on earlier threads dealing with these matters. You PROVE your silly claim.
So you're saying that the Virginia Department of Transportation has been given their videos back? Got proof?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#170. To: buckeroo, All (#169)
You PROVE your silly claim. So in other words, you have no proof, have made wild unsubstantiated claims, feigned to have knowledge you don't have, and in general, are only here to annoy. Videos were confiscated, and there is no record of them ever being returned or shown to the public. You are claiming they were, so YOU need to prove that is true, not I.
I am not chasing after your WILD claims anymore for presentation wherein I have categorically beaten you to a pulp (or AGAviator for that matter) on earlier threads dealing with these matters.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#171. To: O_Ink, buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#139) (Edited)
(1) It hasn't even taken a half day for you to make yourself a liar saying you're not going to reply to me. (2) You're making allegations of conspiracy without real substantiation, playing the victim when you get called on it. Pathetic loser. The codependents of the USG who have been distracting from real here and now issues are going to face the business end of the rope first. Taking discussions into 8 year old whodunits instead of doing what we need to do here and now, and calling anybody and everybody who doesn't agree with their k00kology - even an astronaut like Buzz Aldrin - all kinds of names, is not going to sit well with the general public if and when it ever does wake up.
You are again engaging in a disinformation ploy, a variation on Argumentum Ad Hominem, by attempting to make me, and personal attacks on me, the issue and thus attempting to obscure and avoid the issues which are not a dead link in a footnote but the FACT that, with one exception which is inconclusive, ALL of the videos illegally confiscated by the FBI on the afternoon of 911 are NINE YEARS LATER still being suppressed and hidden away
That two such low lives as yourselves would be detailed to a small discussion forum to disrupt discussion of the criminal acts of your masters tells how very much true the fact that 911 is still alive as an issue and that the main government, and behind the scenes, players are still scared shitless that the general public will show up at their door with a nice stout piece of rope.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#172. To: FormerLurker (#170)
How about that? You have PROVEN YOUR worth on these threads. You are a nice lad.
Videos were confiscated, and there is no record of them ever being returned or shown to the public. You are claiming they were, so YOU need to prove that is true, not I.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#173. To: AGAviator, buckeroo, turtle, abraxas, Original_Intent, RickyJ, IRTorqued, ALL (#171) (Edited)
Why don't you help out buck and tell me why those Pentagon camera videos haven't been shown to the public, nor has the Citgo gas station video from the camera facing the Pentagon, nor have those videos that the Virginia Deparment of Transportation cameras recorded on the morning of September 11, 2001. I'm sure you'd like to tell us the answer to that. So go ahead and fill everyone in on what happened to those videos.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#174. To: FormerLurker, AGAviator (#173)
I suppose no one had the money within the tax base to buy a PERFECT camera for a snapshot of terrorists.
Why don't you help out buck and tell me why those Pentagon camera videos haven't been shown to the public
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#175. To: buckeroo (#174)
More diversion, Buckie. You are so obvious.......yet, you think of yourself as so sly. lol
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
#176. To: abraxas (#175)
Careful, he will start hollering STELLA at you!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#177. To: buckeroo, AGAviator, ALL (#174)
Any of those cameras I listed would have recorded what hit the Pentagon. There is no reason not to show those videos if they recorded what is claimed to have occured. However, it's quite obvious why they would NOT be released if they recorded something OTHER than what is officially claimed.
I suppose no one had the money within the tax base to buy a PERFECT camera for a snapshot of terrorists.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#178. To: AGAviator (#171)
What happened on 9/11 is the CAUSE of many of those issues, and used as the justification. So we need to determine what exactly DID occur on 9/11 to examine whether or not we need to persue a different course of action as a nation. If there were in fact a global conspiracy, well, it's not much different from the "OFFICIAL" story, it's just WHO is behind that global conspiracy that is contention.
The codependents of the USG who have been distracting from real here and now issues are going to face the business end of the rope first.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#179. To: FormerLurker, buckeroo (#178) (Edited)
So we need to determine what exactly DID occur on 9/11 to examine whether or not we need to persue a different course of action as a nation. More than a quarter of the public believes that certain elements within the USG allowed 911 to happen without actually getting their own hands dirty, because they had some willing adversaries in the OBL camp who had killed Americans before and who would kill Americans again. Instead of going with that and coming up with a plan of action, the CT's want to spend additional years trying to prove the unprovable. Led by a parade of $hit for brains pseudo scientists like Jones and Harritt, who can't even provide any detailed and specific theories of their own, while trashing accomplished people like Thomas Eagar and Noam Chomsky. These tactics place the CT's squarely in the obstructionist camp, and nothing good will ever come of them.
What happened on 9/11 is the CAUSE of many of those issues, and used as the justification.
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#180. To: FormerLurker (#177)
Have you ever considered that the recording system was destroyed at the moment of impact?
Any of those cameras I listed would have recorded what hit the Pentagon.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#181. To: AGAviator (#179)
Pointing out discrepencies in the official story is the only way to prove something other than what is claimed to have happened actually happened. Since what is claimed to have happened cannot possibily happened as explained by the "official story", two things become obvious; A) Something other than what is claimed to have happened did in fact happen. B) The US government and the tightly controlled media are complicit in the COVERUP of what actually happpened. One facet of the PROOF of an ongoing coverup is the failure to release the videos I earlier listed, which are; 1) The Pentagon roof camera videos 2) The Virginia Department of Transportation videos 3) The Citgo gas station video from the camera facing the Pentagon However you wish to spin it, if there were nothing to hide, then those videos would be out in the public domain. I think I'll let you sit and think about that long and hard. Decide for yourself if you wish to continue with the ongoing support of that coverup.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#182. To: FormerLurker (#178)
More BS. What happened on 911 was a symptom of and about America's continuing dwindling world stature that has been sliding since the War between the North & the South. More BS. 911 was a hickup about a GREAT nation which clearly showed a stupid People voting for anyone giving the world nothing more than what America is BEST to produce: WAR. You need principles within the body politick from way back within the PEOPLE. And there aren't any.
What happened on 9/11 is the CAUSE of many of those issues, and used as the justification.
So we need to determine what exactly DID occur on 9/11 to examine whether or not we need to persue [speiling error] a different course of action as a nation.
If there were in fact a global conspiracy, well, it's not much different from the "OFFICIAL" story, it's just WHO is behind that global conspiracy that is contention.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#183. To: buckeroo (#180)
For all three Pentagon roof top cameras? There would be no need to locate recording equipment anywhere near those cameras, in fact, since ALL sides of the Pentagon are equipped with cameras, the location of the actual monitoring node could be anywhere within the Pentagon since the videos are probably transmitted over a network once being digitized. However, the netwok control center would more than likely be deep within the Pentagon, and the files stored on a secure server. In the absence of any official word on what happened to those videos, one would have to assume that they still exist.
Have you ever considered that the recording system was destroyed at the moment of impact?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#184. To: FormerLurker (#183)
How do you know what is most likely? Are you an official?
However, the netwok [speiling error] control center
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#185. To: buckeroo (#182)
What happened on 911 was a symptom of and about America's continuing dwindling world stature that has been sliding since the War between the North & the South. Wow, blame it on Lincoln, eh? 911 was a hickup about a GREAT nation which clearly showed a stupid People voting for anyone giving the world nothing more than what America is BEST to produce: WAR. 9/11 was and still IS being used as the justification for those wars. You need principles within the body politick from way back within the PEOPLE. And there aren't any. The media is too tightly controlled, and under the thumb of those who ARE in fact the problem. The people tend to believe what they view as balanced and fair reporting, and have faith in their local and national TV news anchors and correspondents. Many still do not have Internet access, or even if they do, don't know anything more than how to find their friends on MySpace or Facebook. That is why people try to speak out, try to get people to think, and try to get perhaps enough of those others to wakeup from their slumber in order to make a difference.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#186. To: buckeroo (#184)
Has any official word been reported on what happened to those videos?
How do you know what is most likely? Are you an official?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#187. To: FormerLurker (#186)
All my investigations about this have shown: DESTROYED.
Has any official word been reported on what happened to those videos?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
#188. To: buckeroo (#187)
But...but...how can that be? Didn't you say they never existed? Is this another buckeroo bonzai across the 8th Dimension physics class?
All my investigations about this have shown: DESTROYED.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#189. To: AGAviator (#171)
Taking discussions into 8 year old whodunits You might wish for some reason that there is a statute of limitations on the crimes of 9/11 and its aftermath but there isn't. instead of doing what we need to do here and now So go off to another location and discuss what you think we need to do here and now. We aren't stopping you -- or are you implying that you'd miss us cuz we're busy with this? Admit it. Ya are, aren't ya?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#190. To: GreyLmist, buckeroo, turtle, tom007 (#189) (Edited)
Tell it to the joos who are trying to imprison 95 year old men on possibly false testimony. Where's your evidence and your indictments after 8+ years. Are the joos gonna be your role models? My login times demonstrate I'm not stopping myself either. I do check in from time to time to check if you all aren't ganging up on individuals, which is about the only way you all know how to do things on a site that tolerates you at all.
You might wish for some reason that there is a statute of limitations on the crimes of 9/11 and its aftermath but there isn't
So go off to another location and discuss what you think we need to do here and now. We aren't stopping you
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One of the major consequences of the 9/11 movement has been to draw enormous amounts of energy and effort away from activism directed to real and ongoing crimes of state, and their institutional background, crimes that are far more serious than blowing up the WTC would be, if there were any credibility to that thesis. That is, I suspect, why the 9/11 movement is treated far more tolerantly by centers of power than is the norm for serious critical and activist work....Noam Chomsky
#191. To: buckeroo, wudidiz, RickyJ, Original_Intent, Critter, AGAviator, FormerLurker, James_Deffenbach (#152) (Edited)
Let's watch some random reruns of this thread that I think are stellar: wudidiz: "Videos? What videos? No you can't see the videos. There are no videos and if there were they would just show a 757 anyway. Go back to work serf." RickyJ: I am sure they have taped over them by now to save money. They lost trillions, so they have to start saving to pay it back. :=) LOL! wudidiz to buckeroo: Wtf is this "outdated data" crap? Does data expire after an amount of time in your world? RickyJ: Kind of like the outdated laws of physics these Israeli liars like to use for 9/11. O_I: In that distorted 4 1/4 dimensional Wormhole Universe, lying somewhere between darkness and light, known as the Buckieverse data has an expiration date just like a sack of doughnuts. Along with the expiration of data is the expiration of reality. Reality is thus a rare commodity in the Buckieverse because it is completely expired. Critter: I think it's the 8th dimension: [The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension poster pic] AGAviator: the USG says that everybody in the crash was DNA autopsied and ID'd as either Flight 11 757 passenger or Pentagon staff FormerLurker: Well that's odd, since it was supposed to be Flight 77 which hit the Pentagon, not Flight 11. O_I: Isn't it interesting what difference a city makes? DNA, which is made unusable at high temperatures (Generally anything heated to above 100 degrees Centigrade is unsable). However, it seems to have different properties depending upon what city you die in. In New York it was said to have been made useless by the fire and yet the DNA recovered in Washington D.C. from the Pentagon, also ravaged by fire, is, Shazaam!, absolutely usable. Interesting how that works. James_Deffenbach: Has to be more "Magic(k)." What else could account for it? We have heard now about Magic(k)al Jet Fuel™, Magic(k)al Windows™, Magic(k)al plane wings that fold back into the fuselage™ and Magic(k)al Jet Engines™ that liquefy and disappear when they hit highly reinforced walls. Seems like a lot of Magic(k) going on. O_I: Yes, Osama and the 19 Stooges seem to have had vast Magickal powers at their disposal. Osama waves the Magick Cellphone® and look at what happens? Three skyscrapers fall down no less, NORAD is struck with the stoopids, and PNAC is given their "new Pearl Harbor". WWHS? (What Would Houdini Say?) __________ Me: Only The Shadow knows? No, not "the shadow government"...
Let's play cards, partner.
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#192. To: buckeroo, FormerLurker, AGAviator, Original_Intent (#187)
buckeroo: All my investigations about this have shown: DESTROYED. What if your investigations are outdated, 'roo? How recent are they? Are they "junk sites", like you called JudicialWatch, which managed to get the videos released that we've been analyzing and discussing here? Is this where we're supposed to go find some evidence of your "DESTROYED" claim ourselves for the other videos in question? But..but...aren't you and "Mr. Aviator" the same guys who tried to slam O_I for saying basically the same thing? -- the information was out there if someone wanted to find it; very similar to what you've said yourselves before in other threads. Which I did find and repair the linkage to, btw, and both of you still went on pretending like none of the footnote-reference links worked -- when I know for a FACT that only one of those needed fixing -- and you still acted bizzarely like data back to 2001 was irrelevant to what happened on 9/11/01. Hypocrites and liars and k00ks are words that are coming to mind right now about you two Official Conspiracy Theorists. So, I think it would be a good idea for your sakes if you both apologized for your BULL in a China shop antics.
FormerLurker: Has any official word been reported on what happened to those videos?
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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
#193. To: buckeroo (#187) (Edited)
All my investigations about this have shown: DESTROYED. Would you destroy evidence that proved that Muslims attacked us on 9/11? You and Israel would want everyone to believe that so we would all be ready to fight and die to kill them bastards, wouldn't you? So why would they destroy such evidence? Think about it Buck, their story doesn't add up.
Has any official word been reported on what happened to those videos?
God is always good!
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