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Title: Arizona: A “Revolutionary” Line in the Sand?
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Published: Aug 4, 2010
Author: Doug Hagmann
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Arizona: A “Revolutionary” Line in the Sand? I believe that history will show that the passage of SB 1070 by Arizona, and the federal government’s lawsuit to stop its implementation will be regarded the first battle of the 21st century American Revolution. Although not a single shot was fired- yet, the battle lines have clearly been drawn. Never before in the modern history of our country have all of the elements been in place for a war between our government and the citizenry of the United States. We stand at a proverbial and historic flashpoint as Obama plans to use the foot soldiers created by “comprehensive immigration reform,” whether achieved by law or mandate, to implement his socialist agenda for America. Transforming the United States into a socialist nation While the process of transforming the America known by our parents and grandparents to a socialist colony has been in progress for a half-century at the hands of Marxists, Socialists and Progressives, the Obama administration has put the Balkanization of America and the polarization of its citizens along racial, political and ideological lines on the fast track. And at least for now, he’s got the backing of Congress to advance his agenda of radical change. That was never so evident than on May 20th when the dictator of a corrupt, third world country was given a sickening, treasonous standing ovation in the halls of Congress for attacking the proposed legislation of an American sovereign state to uphold the laws of our country. Regardless of whatever legislative support he might currently enjoy, evidence has shown that he is actively considering a back door strategy that would circumvent the need for congressional approval. More importantly, it would also circumvent the need for approval from the citizens of the U.S. Once in place, the amnesty of millions of illegal aliens in the U.S. would create a formidable electoral force to keep the Progressives in power under the pretext of free elections. The talk of altruistic motives of immigration and the joys and benefits of multiculturalism is nothing more than a smokescreen for power and control on the path to transforming the United States into a socialist nation. Hart-Celler Act, Chain Migration To understand how we got to this point in our national history, the groundwork for the transformation of our country was laid in 1965 with the passage of the Hart-Celler Act, which was signed into law by then President Lyndon Johnson. As Mark Levin details in his best-selling book Liberty and Tyranny, that single piece of legislation, as part of the Great Society, laid “the foundation for radically altering the character of American society and the relationship of the governed to their government.” During the debate of the bill on the floor of the Senate, Levin noted that Senator Kennedy insisted that the ethnic mix of the U.S. would not be changed, nor would America be inundated with immigrants from any one country or area.” In his assessment of the debate, Mark Levin wrote “it is hard to believe that they were not intentionally deceiving the public.” Indeed. That bill caused a significant change in immigration that essentially created the current situation in the U.S. It introduced “chain migration,” which radically altered the “historical basis for making immigration decisions.” As written by Mr. Levin, “The emphasis would no longer be on the preservation of American society and the consent of the governed; now aliens themselves would decide who comes to the United States through family reunification (emphasis mine). The act also eliminated national quotas for immigration, opening the floodgates for immigrants from Mexico, Central and South America. Consider that as a result of the 1965 immigration reform and deliberate lack of immigration enforcement, nearly 1 in 3 immigrants living in the U.S. today is here illegally. Additionally, legal immigration increased from 2.5 million in the 1950’s to over 10 million in the 1990’s. In 2007, the immigrant population in the U.S. reached a record 37.9 million and today accounts for 1 in 8 of all U.S. residents. In contrast, immigrants accounted for 1 in 21 of all U.S. residents in 1970. 9 percent of the population of Mexico resides in the United States According to a 2004 report by the Pew Hispanic Center and detailed in Liberty and Tyranny, roughly 9 percent of the population of Mexico resides in the United States. Fifty seven percent of all illegal immigrants are Mexican, and another 24 percent are from other Latin American countries. In less than 40 years, it is estimated that Hispanic school-aged children will comprise the majority of public school students in the U.S. While many proponents of immigration argue that the immigrants are here to assimilate and contribute to the United States, a 2008 study by the Manhattan Institute determined that the current level of assimilation is at a record low. Perhaps this is most evident by the fact that more than 55 million individuals living in the U.S. speak a language other than English, including over 34 million who speak Spanish. It is evident that assimilation is not a priority. The establishment of ethnic conclaves within the U.S. is an example of the lack of desire to assimilate into the fabric of American society. In addition to the social and cultural effects of immigration as a whole, illegal immigrants are being aided by our own government in transferring money out of the United States. In 2006, illegal aliens sent an estimated $45 billion from the U.S. to their countries of origin. Last year, thanks to the assistance of the Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury, Mexicans alone living and working in the U.S. transferred between $21.9 and $25 billion to the Mexican economy. Under the program called Directo a Mexico, U.S. commercial banks enable illegal aliens to transfer money through the Federal Reserve’s own automated clearinghouse, which is linked to the Mexican central bank Banco de Mexico. The illegal alien is also given an ATM card that can be used in Mexican banks in the event of their deportation. The outflow of U.S. dollars to Mexico The outflow of U.S. dollars to Mexico is second only to Mexico’s oil industry in the amount of revenue produced. It should be no wonder, then, that the Mexican government has no interest in working with U.S. authorities to secure our border or to enforce our immigration laws. In fact, it is the ultimate goal of the global elite to erase our borders and implement a “North American Union” as a step to achieving global governance. Illegal immigration is a big business, and not just for Mexico. It is estimated that $18-25 billion is spent by state governments on welfare programs to illegal aliens each year, and about $2.2 billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs for illegal aliens. And additional $2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. The drain on the American economy by individuals living illegally in the United States is a significant threat that will lead to our demise. There should be no doubt that illegal aliens also pose a security risk to our country. First and foremost, they are living and working in this country illegally—contrary to the laws of the United States. And contrary to the Progressive party line, the proponents of multiculturalism, and civil rights and advocacy organizations that subjugate the rights of Americans to their own agendas, crimes committed by illegal aliens are statistically higher than legal immigrants or U.S. citizens. In 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a study it conducted of 55,322 incarcerated illegal aliens. The study population averaged 8 arrests each. Ninety seven percent were arrested more than once, and 26% had over 11 arrests each. Each illegal alien averaged 13 separate offenses and 24% of those offenses were for drug crimes. About 12% were for murder, robbery, assault and sexually related crimes, and 21% of offenses were immigration offenses. Other offenses included property related offenses, traffic violations, fraud and obstruction of justice. Illegal aliens arrested for less serious crimes and released pending a hearing at a future date often fail to appear. According to US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, there were 557,762 fugitive alien cases were listed as “unsolved” at the end of 2008. Furthermore, illegal immigrants with extensive criminal records and multiple deportations are often permitted to remain in the U.S. by activist judges who are sympathetic to their plight. The rampant problem of illegal immigration can easily be solved not by creating new legislation or enacting a complex system of immigration reform. As we observed in the weeks leading up to the implementation of SB 1070 in Arizona as law, the mere threat of realistic enforcement was sufficient to cause an exodus of illegal aliens from that state. As illustrated by the incoherent ruling of a political hack legislating from the bench, Arizona’s attempt to secure their state was undermined in a crafty and carefully executed political ploy. It is no coincidence that the appeal process will extend beyond the November midterm elections. It is the political hubris of a socialist dictator imposing his agenda against the will of the majority of this country’s citizenry. National Council of La Raza, John McCain, Hillary Clinton The failure to effectively address the issue of illegal immigration is not limited to any one political party; many Republicans as well as a vast majority of Democrats are complicit in failing to secure America’s safety and sovereignty. Consider that the National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic advocacy group in the United States, honored Senator John McCain in 1999. During her presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton appointed a senior member of La Raza to her staff, and Obama appointed a La Raza leader as the director of the Office of Internal Affairs. Undoubtedly, this virulent pro-amnesty group enjoys a significant influence over public policy in American government. Funding of this group finds numerous foundations and individuals who espouse and promote a global ideology and “one world governance” over national sovereignty as key contributors. Despite the above statistics, those who demand immigration enforcement and the rule of law are often labeled as racists and xenophobes. American cities and states like Arizona are reeling from the adverse financial and social effects of illegal immigration and unfettered legal immigration. They lack help from the federal government, which is more intent on creating an electoral majority to ensure the continuation of their power to facilitate the socialist makeover and takeover of the United States. Obama and his justice department are siding with criminals against the citizens of America. Arizona is attempting to restore order to a system of chaos created by the federal government. Instead of welcoming the help and choosing to uphold the U.S. Constitution, the Obama administration is imposing a socialist dictatorship and has drawn a line in the Arizona sand. The question is now whether that line becomes “Ground Zero” for this century’s American Revolution—a fight against the Balkanization of our country, and the eradication of our borders, our sovereignty and ultimately, our nation. As noted by one Arizona Sheriff, “our own government has become our enemy.” The question is how, if and when law-abiding, patriotic American citizens will choose to engage that enemy. For the sake of our country, acceptance and acquiescence is not an option. Copyright © Douglas Hagmann Douglas Hagmann, founder & director of the Northeast Intelligence Network, and a multi-state licensed private investigative agency. Doug began using his investigative skills and training to fight terrorism and increase public awareness through his website.
By Doug Hagmann
August 3, 2010
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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
At least some of the sheeple are waking up.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
This is the key to successful multi-generational brainwashing that targets European-Americans. It has succeeded, there will be NO rioting in the streets by white people in America. Ever.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
SB1070 is business as usual. That law does not require employers to check to see if the people they are hiring are legal or illegal. It does not provide for penalties to employers who hire illegals. Therefore, it has no real significance in keeping illegal immigrants out. If implemented it will result in selective petty harassment of a small minority of existing illegal immigrants in my state. The bill is emotional terrorism designed to support a federal immigration reform package that will bring in many millions of guest workers over a long period of time. This is a Republican bill, sponsored by republicans, passed by repubican legislators and signed by a republican governor. It does not penalize employers for hiring illegals. and it makes no distinction between people who have been here for a long time and those who come tomorrow. Consider a fellow named Luis whom I met in March. He's 17 years old. He came where when he was 3. He speaks perfect American english. He graduated from an American high school. In his mind he is American. He has a wife and a child. and he is illegal. His wife is illegal, she's just like him, grew up here, but is illegal. Luis has had 3 encounters with police who asked him his legal status. The first 2 times he lied and said he was legal. The police believed him because of his perfect american english. The third time he was on a greyhound bus and it was federal ICE police who were interrogating every passenger. He chose not to lie this time. But he told the police that he had been here since age 3 and that he had a wife and child. The police did not arrest him out of sympathy. Should Luis be sent back to Mexico. Somewhere that he doesn't even know or remember? There are huge numbers of people in Arizona who are like Luis. We can't send them home unless we let them stay here. This is their home. The funny thing is that our laws allow them to become legal if only they can afford to pay the legal fees. They can't. SB1070 does not make any effort to stop new illegals from coming here to be hired. I know people who hire illegals even today. I'm with Ronald Reagan. Let all the illegals who have held down a job or who have any roots here at all, such as time in an American school, let them stay here and become citizens. If they choose not to become citizens,then send them home. But let them have the chance to stay. They came here because the law allowed employers to hire them. Blame us for that, not them. and at the same time stop all new illegals from coming. How do you do that? You penalize the employers for hiring illegals. SB1070 does no such thing. Here in Arizona there are many communities filled with illegals. There are many businesses who have valuable employees that are illegals. We're supposed to tear apart our society's fabric and do unjust things by kicking these people out? We're supposed to tell little children that they didn't want their daddies anyway and simply take that man away from his family. But we are supposed to simultaneously bring in guest workers who are like slaves and will be alienated from our society because they are like slaves. Such people who want such things are undesirables themselves.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
And yet, I still see neocons firmly entrenched in their ignorance. Mr. Eric, I'm sure you're familiar with the Chuck Heston-E.G. Robinson film, SOYLENT GREEN. As the people at street level were clashing with riot control thugs over reduced rations of the "little, green energy snack bars" that sustained them the wealthy lived in plush, sound proofed, penthouse tower apartments, and they were comfortably isolated from the squalor below. Frankly, the industry big shots who employ 3rd world mohados in fields and factories couldn't care less about the changing face of America. The lizards' preferred vacation, golfing, boating and recreation spots will continue to be well guarded (the only chupacabras being groundskeepers, cooks, maids and busboys) and will always provide the necessary recharging of elite batteries after a hard two months of counting their cash receipts and "rewarding" congress for continuing the unchecked invasion and assuring that their corporations pay little or nothing in taxes. 80% of the corporate taxes sent to Federal Reserve Banks now come from payroll withholding including employees with "suspicious" SS and green cards. ("According to your papers your name is Ling Chao Wang and you require a Spanish interpreter, right? OKAY YOU'RE HIRED!") Workers now pay their employers' corporate privilege/franchise taxes which is why corporations are all too happy to pay for their packrats' and accountants' labor intensive services as "de facto revenue agents" The day we succeed in checking the invasion is the day congress will begin working on allowing them to immigrate legally as long as a campaign/party "contributor" has jobs for them. "Hell, ah don't really need them workers but at these prices ahm gonna open another factory just to take advantage of this heah cheep labor!" In short, we ain't gonna sneak up on or otherwise honeymoon on the fat hairy asses of the wormy rich. You can spot em' by their gas guzzling luxury SUVs sporting the BUSH CHENEY stickers on one side and the open space for SARAH PALIN (who has already telegraphed that "corportude is next to Godlitude") on the other.
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Both Luis and his wife were given an education paid for by US taxpayers. I would venture to bet we also paid for other entitlements through his and her duration in this nation. Now AT 17 he has an anchor baby......no accident there I'm sure. And WE PAID for the birth of HIS child. WE paid for the formula and the diapers and the ongoing healthcare. This "poor" illegal surely isn't footing the bill to raise this kid. And you EXPECT us to foot that bill. If we refuse we will get fewer and fewer cases like Luis to consider. Nobody forced Luis to have a child at 17. In fact, you want to reward irresponsibility. I didn't have children that the US taxpayers foot the bill for, so I don't believe I should pay for Luis and his offspring. You want the lot of us to feel sorry for Luis and his illegal parents and his illegal status. Well, I feel that we've paid and provided enough. If he isn't on a path to citizenship by now, he NEVER will be. It's just not THAT important, as it wasn't for his parents. Why bother when all the goodies are available without citizenship?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Good that he's finally seen that but it hasn't just happened in the last few weeks or even the last few years. The government became the deadly enemy of Americans a long, long time ago.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. No, we tell the little children that daddy broke the law and trespassed and that there are consequences for trespassing. Something the little dears need to learn and sooner rather than later. If "babydaddy and babymama" really mean what they say with all that caterwauling about "breaking up the family" they can (and should) take their anchor babies back with them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Both Luis and his wife were given an education paid for by US taxpayers. where I live the local public schools are 90% mexican. Many of those children are themselves illegal or children of illegals. You take away those children and you are literally taking away a significant part of our community. I don't think responsible governments just export their people en masse like that. And WE PAID for the birth of HIS child. I'm under the impression that his parents worked and therefore would have paid taxes. Many people like to assert that illegals work for cash only. In my experience this is completely false. Few employers pay them cash. Most employers have them on the regular payroll which means they pay taxes. why do you want to take away our tax base? We are a struggling state in terms of money? That fellow Luis himself worked, paid taxes. Nobody forced Luis to have a child at 17. The mexicans like to produce children and they start early in life. If you antagonize them, then you are dividing our country up and causing horrible grudges that will haunt us for many decades. They are becoming the majority in many locations whether you or I like it or not. If he isn't on a path to citizenship by now, he NEVER will be Luis told me that a lawyer told him that he could get papers to make him actually legal. But that the fee was way beyond his means. He'd like to be a citizen. This is his country. Government's laws & policies should serve the people who are here. These illegal immigrants were allowed to come. They came. They sincerely contributed and became a part of our community. If government wants to serve the people, then it should serve these people. Government should not be used as a club to bash the people over the head. These people do not belong in Mexico, they belong here. They should be aggressively recruited to be citizens with full rights. In this way they will become loyal and good citizens. Republicans literally want to kick them out and replace them with guest workers. Guest workers are like slaves with no rights. It does not benefit us to have such people here. Let all the people who live here be free. Remember the German Hessians who were mercenaries in service to the king of england during our revolution? They came here to fight against us. And yet well over half of them stayed and became Americans. that is what we need to do with the mexicans and other illegal immigrants. Another main priority should be to stop new illegals from coming. SB1070 makes no effort to stop new arrivals. Lots of illegals have decided to live here even though they can be sent to Mexico merely by a police encounter. They go years without speaking to a police officer. And a lot of the police officers won't even enforce that law. But when they live here under a murky legal status they will hold a deep grudge that will last for decades. I'm becoming the minority here, this does not help me. I wonder why my fellow Americans have abandoned me - it seems. one of my mexican associates (Ivan) did have a police encounter about 3 weeks ago. He was sent back to Mexico. who knows what Ivan did to achieve the police encounter. But most of them have a steely determination to avoid police encounters and to simply deal with the police by being otherwise law-abiding and polite. and you know what the large majority of them will survive under SB1070 with that strategy. SB1070 is only emotional terrorism, it is not a serious effort to have a real effect.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Ideas like those are what is turning America into a $#it hole, Balkanized nation with 200-300 languages. Of course they belong in Mexico, they are effin TRESSPASSING! What part of that don't you get? If the government laws and policies should serve the people who are here and you include all the illegal aliens in that, what is your cutoff point? How many tens of millions of Chinese or Russians would be acceptable under your plan? How about people from Zimbabwe and Zaire or the Congo? Or is it only illegal alien Mexicans who get your sympathy? If the illegal aliens actually want to be Americans--which I doubt very much--let them get in line behind people who have been trying to come in with visas and passports and some of whom have been in that line for years. You want to reward trespassers. What would you do if one of them broke into your house, invite him for dinner and to spend the night or whatever amount of time he wanted? If you wouldn't then why should any other American?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Yeah, even the ones among them who are robbers, murderers, rapists and drunk drivers. LOL! Your story should start "Once upon a time."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. It *might* be because of your sympathy for people who are willfully and knowingly trespassing in America. Try it in Mexico and see how their government deals with you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. that is American slang and reflects an American mentality. The mexicans form families with mothers and fathers who are married. Their children will not see adherence to the law as being important compared to their families. You will create permanent division in our country that will harm us if you take away one or both of their parents. The mexicans are very family-oriented. Sometimes daddies don't come home from work because they were arrested at work and then deported. Your conscience will tell you that this is a crime. These people were desperate when they came here. They found a home here and built a life. They are comfortable here. They want to stay. They will only be against us if we are hostile to them. Their children grow up with an American mentality. Almost always they speak english. Usually their children speak english as a first language. Lots of children of mexican illegal immigrants don't even speak spanish. The only way we can stop their assimilation is to be hostile to them. The illegals themselves almost all try to learn to speak english. Obviously, in my personal life and in my work life, I am friendly to the Mexicans I know. I could turn some of them in to Sheriff Joe on his web-site. I won't do it. Experience has shown that very few people in Arizona will do it. the only way to deal with the situation is to let them stay and be citizens, at the same time make the employers stop hiring new ones and that can be done. We've never even tried to do these things. The alternative is guest workers. We don't want guest workers. That is like slavery in our country.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
If the illegal aliens actually want to be Americans--which I doubt very much--let them get in line behind people who have been trying to come in with visas and passports and some of whom have been in that line for years. i couldn't agree with you more. what the hell, are we to take in everyone on the planet?
I don't know how old you are or how much history you know but it is just plain bs that we can't deport large numbers of illegal aliens and should be about doing it. Eisenhower had Operation Wetback and deported a million illegals and illegal immigration had dropped 95% by the late 50's. www.csmonitor.com/2006/07...01-coop.html/%28page%29/2 You don't seriously suggest that with all the advances since the 50's that the illegals can't be found and taken so far into Mexico that they won't cross back into the country the same day, do you?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. no, letting the illegals become citizens will not balkanize our nation. It will unite us. e plurubus unum. But persecuting them will cause balkanization. The vast majority of the people who identify with the mexican heritage are not illegals. They are legal. They will stay here no matter what. Regarding the language thing - here is an interesting phenomenon. The illegal immigrants themselves all want to learn english and try to do so. Many are not successful. But their children always grow up speaking English. The problem with the language is simply that the local governments, the local schools and many big corporations that employ people are forcing people to speak spanish. If these institutions favored english as they should, then we'd have no problems whatsoever regarding language. English speaking people are being forced to speak spanish. You can't be an employee of the city of phoenix unless you make a personal committment to learn spanish and speak spanish over a period of time. They will fire you. The same is true inother cities and at big corporations. That is where the language conflict comes from. I have witnessed young people of Mexican heritage speaking unhappiness that they are being forced to speak spanish when they don't speak spanish. I've listened to parents say that their english speaking child sits in a public school where spanish is the only language spoken by the teachers. this balkanization is being imposed on us. It is not what the illegal immigrants even want. They enjoy the job advantages in that employers favor people who speak both languages, but even they don't go along with this balkanization. if you favor the republican solutions, then you favor guest workers. that will balkanize us because those people will be alienated from us because they will not be equals in their legal status. we as a people will gain nothing from that.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Yeah, and all the illegals here taking American jobs and living off the Americans who are working is just peachy keen. They are NOT "citizens," they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. What part of that do you not get? Why is it so hard for you to understand? Do you think you could go into Mexico without any paperwork, uninvited, and then work there, demand all kinds of benefits and protest against the government talking about how unfair they are to Americans? Try it and let us know how it works out for you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Thank you, christine. And of course there is no way that America can take in everyone who wants to come. It is ridiculous to even suggest such a thing. It is even more ridiculous to plead the cause of people who pay no attention to the border, who think they have some right to be in America because of some bs fairy tale about Aztlan, a place which never existed except in the minds of people who want to take something that is not theirs. And how people who claim to be Americans can support that I have no idea.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I favor deporting illegal aliens. I don't favor any "guest workers," at least not until each and every American who wants to work and will work has a job. Then, if there is any leftover work, maybe after they are properly vetted and don't have criminal records. We as a people gain nothing from having 20-30 million illegal aliens living amongst us either and that's a fact. It's a losing proposition, at least for Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I don't think we really need any new immigration for a while, at least a decade. I think we should generally clamp down and only allow a lower level of immigration and only for the sake of family reunions. I think that we should not issue any new work visas. I think that putting people to work and building an atmosphere of opportunity for the people who are here should be considered a priority. you know the Colorado congressman named Tancredo made a name for himself in opposing illegal immigrants. He also introduced legislation to congress where the government would set targets for the wages in many categories of work. Then government would issue work visas to employers who hire people in those work categories. And those employers would bring in people in those work categories until the wage targets set would be the same as the actual average wage in that category. He wanted to bring people in specifically to lower wages. That was in his legislation. You follow these republican radicals who want these guest workers, it will balkanize our country. We need free people in our country, not different categories of people based on race or national origin. and we don't need government giving employers their employees from foreign sources.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
you're mistaken. I'm just in the middle of a situation where I am becoming a minority and the majority is being made hostile to me. I'll say it again (and again). the law was made in washington in 1986 to allow employers to hire them without penalty. I did not make that law. I wish that my fellow Americans did not allow that law to be made. I wish that employers today would be sanctioned for hiring new arrivals who are illegal. The government in washington and my fellow Americans have let me down severely.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I'm under the impression that his parents worked and therefore would have paid taxes The mexicans like to produce children and they start early in life HUGE tax saving will come from deportation. If I ANTAGONIZE them? WHT?? I expect them to ABIDE BY THE LAWS as I AM SUPPOSED TO ABIDE BY THE LAWS. Who cares if they hold a grudge? Get over it. Sheesh, we have 20% of the Mexican population in this nation now, they need to go home and make Mexico livable. If they paid taxes they did it on STOLEN SSC's. Somebody is a victim in THAT crime, not the illegals that's for sure. I call BS on your "impression" anyway. Stick with the facts. Why don't you pay for the fees of Luis if you really do CARE so darn much? Why don't YOU personally do for him what he "cannot" do for himself? That would be much more productive that EXPECTING everybody else to pay for him and his kids and his citizenship. You can repay the state of AZ the $10K for the birth of his child while you are at it. They would "produce" a lot less if they had to pay for the births and NOT the US citizens. I can't believe you support such lunacy. YOU pay for it if you think it's so great. Yada, yada. These immigrants CAME AND MILKED THE SYSTEM by having dupes like you and me pay for their anchor babies and for their education and for their health care and for their welfare. THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT SHOULD SERVE ITS CITIZENS, not the US government. I don't expect Mexico to serve me, do you? That's more lunacy. PS--If Luis loves this nation so much and wants citizenship SO MUCH, he can join the military and go fight wars for empire. Of course, YOU can pony up the fees and keep him out of harms way. Ivan could have done the same, or IF you really cared for Ivan you could have paid his way too. YOU pay if that's what YOU believe, just quit expecting the lot of us to foot the bills.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'd call you an idiot but that would be a complement obama and his open borders are the radicals, not Tancredo
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
That is what I would call a bold statement of the obvious. We most certainly don't need any new immigration, the government needs to get serious about deporting the illegal aliens already in America. I would say that people who may have already been in line for years should get first consideration over the people you keep taking up for who didn't think they should get in any line except in the front of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Who the hell are YOU to impose YOUR outmoded, pious cultural standards on a poor-but-proud pioneer-immigrant from another country?? It's Our Duty to "lift up" those who can't benefit from the white privilege that is a stain on this nation. Shame on you. Shame. On. You. ;-)
__________________________________________________________ Maybe you should consider moving but be sure and sign your home over to some illegal aliens first. After all, they're good folks (according to you) and they probably should have your house.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Great post, abraxas.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I know a guy from Honduras. He's illegal. He lives in a single family house nearby with a wife and kids. Leave him alone. He paid for that house with the fruits of his own labor. He pays taxes. We should not be hostile to him. The time to stop him was when he first came here. The opportunity to stop him was when he first came and looked for a job. The employer had no fear in hiring him though it is easy to determine who is legal and who is illegal. We should've penalized that employer. If we'd done that, then he never would've come here in the first place. But he did come here, the employer was allowed to hire him. He's since gotten pay raises and become a significant person to his employer. You know employers will actually shut down if all the illegals were sent home. Does that help us? We're in economic crisis. Our tax base has been beaten up enough. And his child is a student in an elementary school just a few blocks from here. that child doesn't know Honduras. That child is a future American regardless of what you do. the illegal immigration that Eisenhower dealt with was very small in scale to today. If we were to do that today we'd be emptying whole segments of our community and damaging our local tax base. I live in a city where the city council has discussed cutting back on police officers and the police already have cut back in that they won't always enforce some laws as they once did simply due to budget problems. also, I've run into mexicans who are racist towards me. You're advocating a course that will cause persecution against me. The mexican (& central American) illegal immigrants can go either way. They can choose to fit in and be citizens which is what most of them want. Or they can hate us. Many of my fellow Americans are encouraging them to hate me.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
You really should have tried to fit the words 'sweet, innocent, downtrodden, misunderstood, heroic and honkey-debbils' into that post. Then it would've been perfect.
Luis comes before us head bowed, hat-in-hand, a Humble Man of GOD. And the open- border congregation said "Amen".
__________________________________________________________ The hell you say! I thought they were all wonderful, upstanding people who loved everyone, never committed any crimes--well, 'cept for that little blind spot they have about invading other people's countries--and were just outstanding neighbors and friends. But with this new information, that some of them are actually damnable ray-cists I implore you to sign over your home to the next one you meet and just get out. Let them have it and if you have a little money be sure and give that to them too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That's bs! There were somewhere in the neighborhood of three million illegals. He deported a million of them and many of the ones they didn't get to self deported. As I said, the illegal immigration had dropped 95% by the end of the 50's. And I believe the government knows where most of them are and could deport them--it isn't like there have been no advances in technology in the last 50 or 60 years.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Oh yeah, you're good. ABE FOXMAN WANTS YOU... to write for the ADL.
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#2. To: TwentyTwelve (#1)
#3. To: Eric Stratton (#2)
At least people are starting to speak out about it in higher level places!
#4. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)
#5. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)
#6. To: TwentyTwelve (#3)
#7. To: Eric Stratton (#5)
And heck, if anything I view the neocons as an even bigger threat to liberty at this point in time as a result.
#8. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
Despite the above statistics, those who demand immigration enforcement and the rule of law are often labeled as racists and xenophobes.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#9. To: X-15 (#8)
#10. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
the passage of SB 1070 by Arizona, and the federal government’s lawsuit to stop its implementation will be regarded the first battle of the 21st century American Revolution.
#11. To: Red Jones (#10)
#12. To: Eric Stratton, christine, Original_Intent, Jethro_Tull, TwentyTwelve (#4)
Yes. As usual though, little vision, only reaction, no proaction or ability to connect the dots before shit happens.
#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#12)
#14. To: Red Jones (#10)
Consider a fellow named Luis whom I met in March. He's 17 years old. He came where when he was 3. He speaks perfect American english. He graduated from an American high school. In his mind he is American. He has a wife and a child. and he is illegal.
#15. To: Eric Stratton (#0)
As noted by one Arizona Sheriff, “our own government has become our enemy.”
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#16. To: Red Jones (#10)
We're supposed to tell little children that they didn't want their daddies anyway and simply take that man away from his family.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#17. To: abraxas (#14)
#18. To: Red Jones (#17)
(Edited)
Government's laws & policies should serve the people who are here. These illegal immigrants were allowed to come. They came. They sincerely contributed and became a part of our community. If government wants to serve the people, then it should serve these people. Government should not be used as a club to bash the people over the head. These people do not belong in Mexico, they belong here. They should be aggressively recruited to be citizens with full rights. In this way they will become loyal and good citizens. Republicans literally want to kick them out and replace them with guest workers. Guest workers are like slaves with no rights. It does not benefit us to have such people here. Let all the people who live here be free.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#19. To: Red Jones (#17)
But most of them have a steely determination to avoid police encounters and to simply deal with the police by being otherwise law-abiding and polite.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#20. To: Red Jones (#17)
I wonder why my fellow Americans have abandoned me - it seems.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
"babydaddy and babymama"
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
Ideas like those are what is turning America into a $#it hole, Balkanized nation with 200-300 languages. Of course they belong in Mexico, they are effin TRESSPASSING! What part of that don't you get? If the government laws and policies should serve the people who are here and you include all the illegal aliens in that, what is your cutoff point? How many tens of millions of Chinese or Russians would be acceptable under your plan? How about people from Zimbabwe and Zaire or the Congo? Or is it only illegal alien Mexicans who get your sympathy?
#23. To: Red Jones (#21)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#24. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
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Balkanized nation with 200-300 languages.
#25. To: Red Jones (#21)
the only way to deal with the situation is to let them stay and be citizens, at the same time make the employers stop hiring new ones and that can be done. We've never even tried to do these things. The alternative is guest workers. We don't want guest workers. That is like slavery in our country.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#26. To: christine (#22)
i couldn't agree with you more. what the hell, are we to take in everyone on the planet?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#27. To: Red Jones (#24)
if you favor the republican solutions, then you favor guest workers. that will balkanize us because those people will be alienated from us because they will not be equals in their legal status. we as a people will gain nothing from that.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#28. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
How many tens of millions of Chinese or Russians would be acceptable under your plan?
#29. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
It *might* be because of your sympathy for people who are willfully and knowingly trespassing in America. Try it in Mexico and see how their government deals with you.
#30. To: Red Jones (#17)
(Edited)
where I live the local public schools are 90% mexican. If you antagonize them, then you are dividing our country up and causing horrible grudges that will haunt us for many decades.
#31. To: Red Jones (#28)
republican radicals
#32. To: Red Jones (#28)
I don't think we really need any new immigration for a while, at least a decade.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#33. To: abraxas (#14)
Nobody forced Luis to have a child at 17.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#34. To: Red Jones (#29)
I'm just in the middle of a situation where I am becoming a minority and the majority is being made hostile to me.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#35. To: abraxas (#30)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
Or is it only illegal alien Mexicans who get your sympathy?
#37. To: X-15 (#33)
Who the hell are YOU to impose YOUR outmoded, pious cultural standards on a poor-but-proud pioneer-immigrant from another country?? It's Our Duty to "lift up" those who can't benefit from the white privilege that is a stain on this nation.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#38. To: Esso (#37)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#39. To: Red Jones (#36)
also, I've run into mexicans who are racist towards me.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#40. To: Red Jones (#36)
the illegal immigration that Eisenhower dealt with was very small in scale to today.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#41. To: X-15 (#38)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
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