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Title: Birthright Citizenship: Moving the Goalposts
Source: Occidental Dissent
URL Source: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/20 ... oving-the-goalposts/#more-3373
Published: Aug 4, 2010
Author: Hunter Wallace
Post Date: 2010-08-04 18:46:30 by X-15
Keywords: None
Views: 202
Comments: 11

I’ve followed the immigration debate for several years now. Much has changed in that time. Lately, the change seems to be accelerating.

Five years ago, Arizona’s senators – John McCain and Jon Kyl – were two of the biggest supporters of the George W. Bush amnesty. In the Senate, we were offered a choice between the McCain/Kennedy amnesty and the Kyl/Cornyn amnesty. At the time, the latter was advertised as a “compromise bill,” and the GOP leadership clumsily attempted to ram it down the throats of the conservative base.

Back then, Arizona was a moderate state on illegal immigration. Janet Napolitano was Governor of Arizona. John McCain proudly wore the “maverick” label. Lindsey Graham could say to La Raza, “We are going to tell the bigots to shut up, and we’re going to get this right.”

Around 2005, there was a massive purge of commentators on Free Republic who were too critical of the Bush administration on illegal immigration. “Jim Rob” was banning veteran posters left and right for trashing the White House.

It was around this time that George W. Bush and Congress agreed to build the border fence. In a memorable public relations stunt, Bush deployed the National Guard to the Mexican border to salvage his credibility on immigration.

By then it was too late.

The GOP took the “thumpin” in the 2006 midterm elections. The Democrats regained control of Congress. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer savored their victory that memorable night.

How the times have changed.

The “bigots” didn’t shut up. They won.

In 2010, John McCain, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, and Lindsey Graham are now on record supporting holding constitutional hearings to end birthright citizenship. A previously “extremist position” has entered the mainstream.

Graham on FOX News:

Are the conversions of John McCain and Lindsey Graham to ending birthright citizenship genuine? Of course not.

They are merely politicians with their fingers in the wind. If John McCain had not changed his position on immigration, he would be losing his Senate seat to J.D. Hayworth right now.

A political earthquake has shifted the ground underneath the feet of the Republican leadership. In order to survive, they have been forced to adapt and repudiate their former liberal positions on immigration. This can be seen across the conservative spectrum from Free Republic to the U.S. Senate.

Arizona’s precipitous action is having a domino effect in other states. Virginia is now following in Arizona’s footsteps. Utah, South Carolina, and Oklahoma are poised to act.

How did we get from there to here? Who got us from there to here? How do we get from here to where we need to go?

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#1. To: X-15 (#0)

The “bigots” didn’t shut up. They won.

Hunter Wallace needs to look in the mirror and admit that he is a anti-american bigot.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-08-04   18:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: PaulCJ (#1)

Could you repeat that in English?

"Aba daba daba daba daba daba daba" said the chimp-y to the monk.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-08-04   21:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#0)

My thought on the whole Birthright Citizenship thing is as follows.

If your parents were American Citizens, You by birth are an American Citizen.

If your parents broke into America illegally, You are NOT an American Citizen, you are a co-defendant. You, and your parents go back to whatever country you fled from. When you come across our border, and you are 18 years old, and not a criminal, then you will go to the front of the line for citizenship.

What I do not want to see, is mandatory enrollment in Socialist Security as the only path to citizenship.

I want my freedom, and I want the freeloading criminals GONE.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-08-04   23:00:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: X-15 (#0)

Around 2005, there was a massive purge of commentators on Free Republic who were too critical of the Bush administration on illegal immigration. “Jim Rob” was banning veteran posters left and right for trashing the White House.

And that mysterious Texan kept paying the bills beg-a-thons.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-04   23:19:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#3)

read my tag line.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-04   23:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Prefrontal Vortex, PaulCJ (#2)

Could you repeat that in English?

I second your request, PV.

Please tell us why you called the author of this article "an anti-American bigot," PaulCJ.

Thank you.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-05   0:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Prefrontal Vortex, scrapper2 (#2)

Hunter Wallace: The “bigots” didn’t shut up. They won.

In 2010, John McCain, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, and Lindsey Graham are now on record supporting holding constitutional hearings to end birthright citizenship. A previously “extremist position” has entered the mainstream.

Graham on FOX News:

Are the conversions of John McCain and Lindsey Graham to ending birthright citizenship genuine? Of course not.

They are merely politicians with their fingers in the wind. If John McCain had not changed his position on immigration, he would be losing his Senate seat to J.D. Hayworth right now.

A political earthquake has shifted the ground underneath the feet of the Republican leadership. In order to survive, they have been forced to adapt and repudiate their former liberal positions on immigration. This can be seen across the conservative spectrum from Free Republic to the U.S. Senate.

As usual, a bigoted reporter is falsely accusing others he or she disagrees with of bigotry.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-08-05   2:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: X-15 (#0)

To assume that America has jurisdiction over the offspring of foreigners simply because they happened to be born here and not in the country of their parents' citizenship is akin to kidnapping. Seesh, I know it's hard for Globalists to imagine but there actually may be some foreigners who go into labor unexpectedly here and don't want their child kidnapped by American decree. Congress Unconstitutionally decreed McCain a natural born American because both of his parents were Americans, even though he was born on foreign soil in Panama's Canal Zone. It's the designation they bestowed on him of natural born citizen rather than naturalized citizen and their ex post facto declaration where I object. Otherwise, the same principle should apply to Mexians, et al. Mexican parents = Mexican offspring, not American "anchor babies".

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-05   6:04:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: PaulCJ (#7)

As usual, a bigoted reporter is falsely accusing others he or she disagrees with of bigotry.

?????

You must be very sensitive.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-05   10:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GreyLmist, *The Border* (#8)

Otherwise, the same principle should apply to Mexians, et al. Mexican parents = Mexican offspring, not American "anchor babies".

When the President of mexico declares that "Where there is a mexican, there is mexico!" that settles the anchor baby argument in my book.

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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
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X-15  posted on  2010-08-05   14:51:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: X-15 (#10)

Me: the same principle should apply to Mexicans, et al. Mexican parents = Mexican offspring, not American "anchor babies".

You: When the President of mexico declares that "Where there is a mexican, there is mexico!" that settles the anchor baby argument in my book.

Corrected my "Mexians" typo that was in the above quote. Thanks for the link. Settles that argument for me, too. He says that their babies are born in Mexico no matter where they are, so they're Mexican citizens -- not American "anchor babies". He also says that he's created 618,000 new jobs since January so he should send 618,000 bus tickets for his illegals in the US to relocate there for work.

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"They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-06   0:45:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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