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Published: Aug 5, 2010
Author: Joel S. Hirschhorn
Post Date: 2010-08-05 10:51:44 by statusquobuster
Keywords: 9/11, 9/11 truth, conspiracy
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Months, years and then decades slip by. Despite an avalanche of information burying me everyday I had not read or heard anything about 9/11 truth for many, many months. Sometimes movements become so marginalized that they no longer have enough vitality to stay within the consciousness of very many people. I am sure, of course, that there are 9/11 truthers out there that still give and attend talks, write and receive emails and have lively conversations about the insanity of the official government story about 9/11 surviving and various alternative explanations of what really happened. Yet, in not too many weeks, another 9/11 anniversary will be here. And maybe then I will be hit again with chatter about what really happened on that past fateful and awful day. But today it is this writing by me that is my 9/11 truth: Hardly any Americans are concerned about 9/11 truth and there is no real interest in Congress in launching a new investigation. So I went to a few 9/11 websites of groups that I am affiliated with; they were still there. And then I did a Google news search for 9/11 truth. Here is what I gleaned. The first news item was something that the head of WikiLeaks.org, that was very much in the news lately because it was distributing a huge amount of materials on the war in Afghanistan, had said about the 9/11 truth movement: "I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud." This did not surprise me, even though, personally, I still believe that the US government conspired to keep the full truth about 9/11 hidden from the public. But then I quickly came across a story in a local New Hampshire newspaper about a recent 9/11 truth group participation in a local event, and that heartened me that the diehard truthers were still marching proudly. Indeed, this was noted: “We would like to extend our warmest thanks to [the former Keene Mayor, State Representative, and one of our World War II veterans] for bravely standing tall and marching with our group. Your presence commands respect and it was indeed an honor to have you all join us. We sincerely appreciate your willingness to show support for our efforts to publicize the need for a new 9/11 investigation.” And I was heartened to learn that the fourth of July parade in Takoma Park, MD where I once lived had a float for the 9/11 Truth Now group in it. Back to the WikiLeaks situation; this website has rightfully received incredible worldwide attention by the mainstream media for its ability to obtain and publicize key documents shedding light where the government and corporations don’t want it. For 9/11 truthers here is something that merits very serious thought. If we are correct, then a fairly large number of people had a hand, probably as part of a black ops action, designing and executing many things, not the least of which was the controlled demolition of the three World Trade Center buildings. So why have none of these people leaked materials to a place like WikiLeaks? Could they all have been so bought off or threatened to stay quiet? Perhaps. But I must admit I find the lack of leakers troubling. Of course, if the government had pursued prosecution of the many government workers that did nothing to prevent the 9/11 actions for, say, criminally negligent homicide, then perhaps some would have cut deals and blown the whistle. But as far as I can remember no civilian or military personnel were nailed for failure to detect and prevent the terrorism. Don’t get me wrong. I am not saying that just because no 9/11 whistleblowers have come forward with compelling evidence that the official story is believable. Not at all. What the 9/11 truth movement needs, however, is a steady focus on the considerable evidence that undermines the official story, rather than on evidence supporting various alternative theories of what happened. In this regard, the website of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth http://ae911truth.org/ remains as one of the best sources of serious, trustworthy information. The group has an event on September 9 this year in Washington, DC and also visits to various members of Congress to lobby for a new investigation. But if they do not offer draft legislation it will be a waste of time. My other favorite website is Alan Miller’s wonderful Patriots Question 9/11 http://patriotsquestion911.com/, where so many credible people have openly questioned the official story, more than enough to convince the most skeptical people to support a new investigation. Thirdly, I urge people to use the Scholars for 9/11 Truth website http://911scholars.org/ because it also offers useful, reliable information. Also impressive is the continued work of the NYCCAN group at http://www.nyccan.org/index.php. They have asked the Manhattan District Attorney to investigate the collapse of WTC 7. Recently, they had 400 supporters mail or fax the DA the attached letter, which focuses on the destruction of evidence at the WTC site. The group thinks this is the most likely route the DA would take to opening any kind of investigation into 9/11. Yes, the movement is still alive. But when will it succeed in getting a new credible and comprehensive government investigation? That is the issue. When people in the public spotlight do not support the truth movement, as the head of WikiLeaks has done, it is a sign that success remains elusive. One truther exception was Daniel Sunjata, a lead actor from the popular FX television show "Rescue Me." The coming anniversary of 9/11 will most likely show that we still lack a critical mass of public demand for a new government investigation. One glimmer of hope might be the wide scale rejection of incumbents in Congress. Do candidates for Congress support a new investigation? The truth movement should get their act together and spread the word that truthers should only vote for candidates supporting a new investigation. [Contact Joel S. Hirschhorn through delusionaldemocracy.com.]
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#1. To: statusquobuster (#0)
the reality is there are very few of these candidates for which to vote.
Yep, the two party choke hold over the election process will kill any candidate that has such an inclination.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" "THERE" that's what we need !
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
Your post is confusing at best. What do you really want to say?
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
noone222: "THERE" that's what we need ! The Constitution is our real government. We need to disown the subverters of it and go about the business of our own Constitutional governance without them.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
All who come forward, and there have been many, soon wind up dead. No more BS about no leaks. 9/11 was an inside job, that is a fact, not an opinion. What is going to be done about it will decide the future of the USA.
God is always good!
but but... i thought debra medina, rand paul & petey 'jew' schiff will 'SAVE US!!' (snicker)
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 no criminal government of ours is ever going to 'investigate' 911. for me, the key is advocating individuals to learn the truth, not because i'm deluded into believing that some political hack ''patriot'' will 'save us', but rather so that the individuals, and society, can have a properly formed conscience & oppose all the evil wicked things that the u.s. govt does.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Look at how the Lamestream Mediawhores tried to hang 911 Truth around Ron Paul's neck to use to kookify him and to continue the propaganda drumbeat that there is no reason not to drink the "Official Conspiracy Theory™" Kool-Aid.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I think it was more a matter of "Battle Fatigue". I know I had a similar thought recently and the belief that the stonewall we are facing should not stop us from continuing to look, explore the data, and reach for a better understanding. It is vexing to still have to shred the same faulty arguments over and over and over and over again. As we have seen here recently there are still ardent supporters of the "Official Fairy Tale™" who will not allow the subject to be broached without immediately attacking.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Swamp Land prospects !
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
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There are still people that believe that our government is acting in accordance with Christian (Christ taught) teachings too. Swamp Land prospects ! ?? These people will buy anything !
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Very doubtful. It would expose high-ranking government officials to charges of treason and murder so they will do everything in their power, which is considerable, to keep it under wraps.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Very doubtful. It would expose high-ranking government officials to charges of treason and murder so they will do everything in their power, which is considerable, to keep it under wraps. Yeah, it's like asking the mob to all turn themselves in. It will never happen. Credible investigations have already been done and they are as guilty as hell. No more investigations are needed.
God is always good!
The Constitution was our real government. This might sound mean to some but when I watch the Tea-Party clips and see all of the people carrying signs demanding liberty and smaller government it reminds me of the "patriot" rallys that have 90% of their participants collecting some kind of government check or benefit. The truth is that these people are still ignorant of the "mote in their own eye" ... while claiming "CONSTITUTIONAL" rights on the one hand, they collect their disability check with the other. Hypocrites !
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
Exactly. I can see it now. George Bush, while not actually planning or organizing anything, had to have known in advance. There is a video I have seen of him saying he saw the first plane hit the WTC. And then, when he was reading that marvelous literature about the pet goat to the little "chirrens" and Andy Card came in to tell him that the second tower had been hit, or that things were going according to plan or whatever he said, Bush didn't show any surprise. And they never hustled him out of there because they knew he was in no danger. But as I started to say, I can see Bush, Cheney, and all the generals involved in the NORAD stand down, etc., all coming forward and announcing their guilt and that they are ready to face the consequences. I expect that to happen just about the same time as a squadron of pigs fly over Washington farting the Star Spangled Banner all in unison.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This might sound mean to some but when I watch the Tea-Party clips and see all of the people carrying signs demanding liberty and smaller government it reminds me of the "patriot" rallys that have 90% of their participants collecting some kind of government check or benefit. The truth is that these people are still ignorant of the "mote in their own eye" ... while claiming "CONSTITUTIONAL" rights on the one hand, they collect their disability check with the other. Hypocrites ! It's my real government and those who believe likewise. I don't know why you think it's hypocritical if people don't go to the poorhouse to prove that. Would you? Help them to find an alternative currency and exchange system, like we've discussed and you know is having some success in Michigan, if it bothers you so much, Grumplestiltskin.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The evidence demonstrates otherwise. I don't know why you think it's hypocritical if people don't go to the poorhouse to prove that. Would you? Yes. Your proposition suggests we should compromise our values to avoid the poorhouse. I'd prefer the poorhouse (or prison) to contributing to Uncle Sambo's genocide program. The Constitution that you believe in cannot and does not exist in the commercial law jurisdiction that you operate in. {The Constitution only operates under the common-law}. You have NO Constitutional Rights. You have privileges allowed you by the federal reserve bank governing authority. Restoring liberty in America is not going to be painless.
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
now that's quite a visual. lol.
Sadly there are all manner of people who suffer from the blindness of "will not see". Moral cowards. Cowards who are so cowardly that they will not even look though the penalty of not looking and seeing is such that their illusory "comfort" leads to a hell worse than that of their imaginings.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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Well, glad you got a laugh out of it. Ol' grouchy Shoonra was yammerin' at me a while ago for all that tarble hatra' of his hero, the Kenyan. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Which echoes Eric Hoffer's comment: And when the music stops they will find there is no chair left for them. They will at best be in the "upper peasant" class, and thus envied and targeted. Those gated communities are not forts. They are enclaves and the walls protect them only as long as society remains more or less civil. In a social breakdown, major famine, etc., they become a "resource". If they think hungry people won't storm the palisades they have learned nothing from history. The first people the Nazis, and Lenin/Stalin, "eliminated" were the uber loyal who thought they were to benefit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Your cynicism is so unbecoming! Of ye of little faith! Get aboard the Palin bandwagon. She will fix things, because she's soooo hawt! .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Hungry people WILL eat if they can get access to food. A friend, someone from long ago, told me something I have never forgotten. He said that "As long as all these grocery stores have plate glass windows I ain't going hungry."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. You: The evidence demonstrates otherwise. To you. Not to me. Hey, how did you get in here? Don't freak. It's just Lenny from "Toy Story." He's not really from surveillance. It just looks like it. See how easy it can be to misinterpret what you might think is obvious? He only wants to help you see past the nose on your face and the bankers so you can give the evidence a better rethink. :) You: Yes. I saw a man the other day sleeping under a viadoct with a shopping cart, one of his legs propped up on a beam to try and be more comfortable there. It's Summer and warm and I was stuck in moving traffic so I kept going and told myself it might offend his pride if I turned around and stopped. Further down the road, there are sometimes men with signs begging for work, one missing half a leg and standing on crutches. I heard they used to arrest one of the so-called "bag ladies" around here periodically just to get her some care until she eventually died. Are you sure there'd even be a poorhouse you could go to? How would you fend for yourself there into old age? Charity from the money of others that you wanted to escape? Become a mountainman or woodsman and survive off the land as long as you can? He'd probably be happy to hear that, especially if you have dependant children. Maybe you don't but, for those who do, going your route on purpose would be like asking for a CSB nightmare. They might make you work in prison with some sort of monetary system to deduct expenses from but you'd have shelter and meals provided. There's no compromise of values with my proposition. As I see it, we didn't create the miserable money mess that's been foisted on us against our wills and giving them the satisfaction of helping them to impoverish us quicker to the point of death isn't the best option, imo. I'd be willing to exchange all of your money for an alternative currency here of...let's call it the Constitution Club and Trading Post for goods and labors. All you'd have to do to become a memeber is agree to follow the Constitution and donate some of your Fed Res type currency to the charity of your choice. If enough people did that, their money would become even more worthless than it is now, which would likely make more and more people start thinking that they'd like to become Constitutionalists too. Are you even willing to give it a try? I am. You have NO Constitutional Rights. You have privileges allowed you by the federal reserve bank governing authority. My Rights are inalienable. That's why they're called Rights and not privileges. What doesn't really exist with any legitimate authority in the Constitutional system is what you've been professing to detest. Try to get into the Freedom state of mind and leave their shackles with them and their other assistants. I think you'll be gladder that you did. The US of A belongs to Constitutionalists, not interloping aliens and invaders from foreign systems. Not by your proposal. I'll trade you for it. I saw a really cool home improvement show that used music sheets for wallpaper. I could use some wallpaper. I'll print that out and get at it ASAP. You can have a copy of my proposal and hopefully a more upbeat outlook on the situation. Say yes and it's a done deal, even-steven swap. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
ok reverend. i shoulnt have mocked the paytriot superheros!!!!!!!!!
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I forgive you, my child. Go in peace.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I agree with you. That which I detest exists outside of the Constitutional System and everyone with a Social Security Card (sharing the public debt) also exists outside of the Constitutional System.
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
How have people done it from the beginning of time until 1935 when Social Security was invented ? Become a mountainman or woodsman and survive off the land as long as you can? I farm. My Rights are inalienable. You have as many rights as you're able to enforce. Beyond that, you appear to be willing to participate in, or condone the crimes against humanity that the government is committing so that you aren't inconvenienced. We should ask the parents of the dead kids the U.S. Govt. kills daily if they think their children will need old age benefits. Americans have been insulated from the wars being waged by their government for corporate interests and bankers greed but that doesn't mean it's not happening. I'm sad that materialism and convenience have stolen the soul of America.
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
You farm where? On taxfree property? Probably not. I have as many rights as I'm able to enforce? That's not what the Constitution says. I see you have nothing to say about the Constitutional Club and Trading Post alternative to your dour and painful proposal/outlook. Maybe you want to sing the blues from it while watching people suffer -- like a "smack" addict or something. Keep your downbeat plan for a tyrrany "fix" if you want but it's junk and toxic, imo. Even that artsy home improvement tip to give music sheets an antique parchment look by painting them with brewed tea likely couldn't wash away enough of the crushing black holes you've attached to your "bluesy" penned notes to make it worth my while anyway to bother turning them into psuedo-ancient wallpaper as a useful reminder to any viewers not to go that way if they don't want their spirits obliterated. I'm sure I won't have to go very far to find something more suitably practical and diverse. Optional Pictorial: Lemming Behavior Explained
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
A). Property Taxes are primarily "county" taxes not Federal. And even though the property tax might be defeated it serves to maintain county roads, schools etc., ... not war. I have a full life and am content. I'm sure that some of that contentment is due to knowing that I'm not financially supporting the paedophiles, queers and murderers in D.C. My spirit isn't obliterated as I intend to resist the "transformation" of America and the NWO with every fiber of my being. Time will surely tell which of us is right about the CON-sti-stupid ... but for now I'll merely suggest that many millions of people in America are doubting its impact on day to day life. If I'm not mistaken the Constitution mandates the borders be protected ... so wassup wif dat ??? The Constitution says that debt can be paid only by gold or silver coin. I guess this is an over sight on the part of the U.S. Inc.
"It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn.” Albert Jay Nock
Our rightful system of government has been hijacked and an imposter operating system installed by the hijackers and their accomplices. Nevertheless, they are just outlaws and not legitimate "authorities" here. Disown them as representative of America, then go about our duties of governing ourselves in accordance with the Constitution. We could form a Constitution Club and hold a special election of our membership only to fill all of the positions they've held hostage by their gross neglect and subversions. I think we discussed that here: The "Rightful Remedy" [Ref: Article 1, Section 10] It's prohibited for the States to make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts. That's actually a good thing in that their resources can't be used as collateral to pay them, if valid -- which most supposed "debts" aren't, under the current counterfeit financial systems that have been wrongfully foisted on us. The Federal government actually isn't so explicitly prohibited from money tender other than gold or silver but it is definitely not authorized to outsource its money coinage responsibilites or the weights and measures of its worth to the Fed Res, et al, nor to use our resources or us as collateral, nor enslave us to pay odious debts for it.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
The coming anniversary of 9/11 will most likely show that we still lack a critical mass of public demand for a new government investigation. One glimmer of hope might be the wide scale rejection of incumbents in Congress. Do candidates for Congress support a new investigation? The truth movement should get their act together and spread the word that truthers should only vote for candidates supporting a new investigation.
#2. To: christine (#1)
#3. To: statusquobuster (#0)
The coming anniversary of 9/11 will most likely show that we still lack a critical mass of public demand for a new government
#4. To: statusquobuster (#0)
What the 9/11 truth movement needs, however, is a steady focus on the considerable evidence that undermines the official story, rather than on evidence supporting various alternative theories of what happened.
#5. To: statusquobuster (#0)
#6. To: noone222 (#3)
Excerpt: The coming anniversary of 9/11 will most likely show that we still lack a critical mass of public demand for a new government
#7. To: statusquobuster (#0)
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But I must admit I find the lack of leakers troubling.
#8. To: tom007 (#2)
any candidate that has
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#9. To: statusquobuster. noone222, rickyj, *9-11* (#0)
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"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#10. To: tom007, christine (#2)
Yep, the two party choke hold over the election process will kill any candidate that has such an inclination.
#11. To: statusquobuster, christine, Tom007, FormerLurker, wudidiz, Kamala, Critter, James Deffenbach, HOUNDDAWG, IRTorqued, abraxas, CadetD, farmfriend, all (#0)
Months, years and then decades slip by. Despite an avalanche of information burying me everyday I had not read or heard anything about 9/11 truth for many, many months. Sometimes movements become so marginalized that they no longer have enough vitality to stay within the consciousness of very many people.
#12. To: Original_Intent (#11)
#13. To: Eric Stratton (#12)
There are still people that believe that our government is acting in accordance with Christian (Christ taught) teachings too.
#14. To: noone222 (#13)
#15. To: Eric Stratton (#14)
#16. To: noone222 (#15)
#17. To: statusquobuster (#0)
Yes, the movement is still alive. But when will it succeed in getting a new credible and comprehensive government investigation? That is the issue.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
Yes, the movement is still alive. But when will it succeed in getting a new credible and comprehensive government investigation? That is the issue.
#19. To: GreyLmist, all, 4 (#6)
The Constitution is our real government
#20. To: RickyJ (#18)
Yeah, it's like asking the mob to all turn themselves in. It will never happen. Credible investigations have already been done and they are as guilty as hell. No more investigations are needed.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#21. To: noone222 (#19)
The Constitution was our real government.
#22. To: GreyLmist (#21)
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It's my real government and those who believe likewise.
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
I expect that to happen just about the same time as a squadron of pigs fly over Washington farting the Star Spangled Banner all in unison.
#24. To: Eric Stratton (#12)
There are still people that believe that our government is acting in accordance with Christian (Christ taught) teachings too.
#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)
#26. To: christine (#23)
now that's quite a visual. lol.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#27. To: Eric Stratton (#25)
Unfortunately, and equally reprehensibly, is that they are often distracted with visions of wealth via the dangling of some lifelike plastic carrot out in front of them. How quickly these people fail to realize that as quickly as it comes it can also go or be taken.
"A government powerful enough to give you all you want is powerful enough to take it all away."
As I've been insisting for years, after 9/11 people traded their liberty for wealth and that the next phase was to get them to trade their future financial liberty in exchange for what has the appearance of the amassing of wealth. Interestingly, perhaps the single biggest demographic that has a chance of influencing people to realize what's really going on are blindly absorbed in attempting to amass as much wealth as they possibly can w/o seeing what's truly going on.
Those people will find out soon enough that all of what they think they're amassing and saving for will not be there in ten years because of State Security.
#28. To: Artisan (#8)
but but... i thought debra medina, rand paul & petey 'jew' schiff will 'SAVE US!!' (snicker)
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#29. To: Original_Intent (#27)
If they think hungry people won't storm the palisades they have learned nothing from history.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#30. To: noone222 (#22)
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Me: It's my real government and those who believe likewise.
Me: I don't know why you think it's hypocritical if people don't go to the poorhouse to prove that. Would you?
You: Your proposition suggests we should compromise our values to avoid the poorhouse. I'd prefer the poorhouse (or prison) to contributing to Uncle Sambo's genocide program.
The Constitution that you believe in cannot and does not exist in the commercial law jurisdiction that you operate in. {The Constitution only operates under the common-law}.
Restoring liberty in America is not going to be painless.
#31. To: PSUSA (#28)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#32. To: Artisan (#31)
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#33. To: GreyLmist (#30)
What doesn't really exist with any legitimate authority in the Constitutional system is what you've been professing to detest.
#34. To: GreyLmist (#30)
How would you fend for yourself there into old age? Charity from the money of others that you wanted to escape?
#35. To: noone222 (#34)
#36. To: GreyLmist (#35)
#37. To: noone222 (#36)
Time will surely tell which of us is right about the CON-sti-stupid ... but for now I'll merely suggest that many millions of people in America are doubting its impact on day to day life. If I'm not mistaken the Constitution mandates the borders be protected ... so wassup wif dat ???
The Constitution says that debt can be paid only by gold or silver coin. I guess this is an over sight on the part of the U.S. Inc.
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