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Title: NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries
Source: NOAA
URL Source: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/storie ... 0100728_stateoftheclimate.html
Published: Aug 8, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-08-08 12:35:13 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 206
Comments: 25

The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.

“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming,”

The report emphasizes that human society has developed for thousands of years under one climatic state, and now a new set of climatic conditions are taking shape. These conditions are consistently warmer, and some areas are likely to see more extreme events like severe drought, torrential rain and violent storms.

“Despite the variability caused by short-term changes, the analysis conducted for this report illustrates why we are so confident the world is warming,” said Peter Stott, Ph.D., contributor to the report and head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution of the United Kingdom Met Office Hadley Centre. “When we look at air temperature and other indicators of climate, we see highs and lows in the data from year to year because of natural variability. Understanding climate change requires looking at the longer-term record. When we follow decade-to-decade trends using multiple data sets and independent analyses from around the world, we see clear and unmistakable signs of a warming world.”

While year-to-year changes in temperature often reflect natural climatic variations such as El Niño/La Niña events, changes in average temperature from decade-to-decade reveal long-term trends such as global warming. Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than the decade before. At the time, the 1980s was the hottest decade on record. In the 1990s, every year was warmer than the average of the previous decade. The 2000s were warmer still.

“The temperature increase of one degree Fahrenheit over the past 50 years may seem small, but it has already altered our planet,” said Deke Arndt, co-editor of the report and chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. “Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are more common. And, as the new report tells us, there is now evidence that over 90 percent of warming over the past 50 years has gone into our ocean.”

More and more, Americans are witnessing the impacts of climate change in their own backyards, including sea-level rise, longer growing seasons, changes in river flows, increases in heavy downpours, earlier snowmelt and extended ice-free seasons in our waters. People are searching for relevant and timely information about these changes to inform decision-making about virtually all aspects of their lives. To help keep citizens and businesses informed about climate, NOAA created the Climate Portal at www.climate.gov. The portal features a short video that summarizes some of the highlights of the State of the Climate Report.

State of the Climate is published as a special supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society and is edited by D.S. Arndt, M.O. Baringer, and M.R. Johnson. The full report and an online media packet with graphics is available online: www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate.

NOAA’s mission is to understand and predict changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and to conserve and manage our coastal and marine resources. Visit us on Facebook.


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#1. To: buckeroo (#0)

Good. I personally would like central PA to be in the 60s - tops - this winter.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-08-08   12:47:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: buckeroo (#0)

As far as I am concerned the pro-global warming side of the issue has lost all credibility with the release of those emails awhile back. They are trying to manipulate the population for political purposes as far as I am concerned. I would no more trust them to tell me the sun was out than I would trust the government telling me the same thing. In either case I will look out the window and see for myself even if it's noontime. That's how untrustworthy I find them.

Even if what they say is true, then they have zero proof that man is causing the problem. It is a known fact that the Earth's temperature has changed in the past, both from hot to cold and visa versa. And the statement " Past Decade Warmest on Record" is meaningless because we have not been keeping records for very long, especially when compared to the age of the earth. 50 years is the equivalent of a nanosecond in comparison.

I do however understand and respect the fact that you disagree with me on the matter.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   12:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Good. I personally would like central PA to be in the 60s - tops - this winter.

ROTFL

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   14:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

As far as I am concerned the pro-global warming side of the issue has lost all credibility with the release of those emails awhile back. They are trying to manipulate the population for political purposes as far as I am concerned. I would no more trust them to tell me the sun was out than I would trust the government telling me the same thing. In either case I will look out the window and see for myself even if it's noontime. That's how untrustworthy I find them.

I tend to agree with you, particularly when it comes to the UN's coveted but recently shamed IPCC.

Even if what they say is true, then they have zero proof that man is causing the problem. It is a known fact that the Earth's temperature has changed in the past, both from hot to cold and visa versa. And the statement " Past Decade Warmest on Record" is meaningless because we have not been keeping records for very long, especially when compared to the age of the earth.

But the CO2 rise is coincident with HUGE changes of human population growth. That is significant and undeniable.

50 years is the equivalent of a nanosecond in comparison.

Within that time, the human population growth has changed from 3 Bn to over 6Bn ...

I do however understand and respect the fact that you disagree with me on the matter.

All I am saying (and have ever said) is that GW phenomena is a fact. All the political claptrap and related mumbo-jumbo is altogether another issue; personally, I don't think there is a way to change the current course of climate change.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   14:18:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeroo (#0)

More and more, Americans are witnessing the impacts of climate change in their own backyards, including sea-level rise, longer growing seasons, changes in river flows, increases in heavy downpours, earlier snowmelt and extended ice-free seasons in our waters.

Classic neuro-linguistic suggestion.

All of the phenomena vary from year to year, season to season in terms of millimeters, minutes, fractions of a degree Centigrade. The impressionable react with instinctive fear to the third party influence here, like an old school friend who informed me breathlessly years ago that he had learned that we were killing the "lungs of the planet" in the destruction of the Amazon, which would lead to the end of life on this planet.

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-08-08   14:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: farmfriend (#1)




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Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-08   14:25:21 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: randge (#5)

All of the phenomena vary from year to year, season to season in terms of millimeters, minutes, fractions of a degree Centigrade.

Exactly ..... but the question is, by how much?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   14:25:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeroo (#4)

But the CO2 rise is coincident with HUGE changes of human population growth. That is significant and undeniable.

50 years is the equivalent of a nanosecond in comparison.

Within that time, the human population growth has changed from 3 Bn to over 6Bn ...

Yes what you say is true. However, as the saying goes, correlation does not imply causation. The most I will agree on is that since correlation is necessary for causation, more study on the matter is warranted.

All I am saying (and have ever said) is that GW phenomena is a fact. All the political claptrap and related mumbo-jumbo is altogether another issue; personally, I don't think there is a way to change the current course of climate change.

While it is true that the temperatures appear to be trending upwards, I am of the belief that 50 years is much too small a time period for such a determination to be made.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

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"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   14:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#8) (Edited)

hile it is true that the temperatures appear to be trending upwards, I am of the belief that 50 years is much too small a time period for such a determination to be made.

Here is a glimpse over the past 100 years shows the peaks.

And another for the past 100 years... showing averages....

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   14:31:15 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeroo (#9)

Buck, I respect your opinion and I understand the data. However, from my understanding of how the Earth's climate works (I'm by no means an expert), 100 years is such a small period of time that it is almost meaningless.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   14:43:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10) (Edited)

So here is 130 years ...

Please read this pdf from the National Academy of Sciences ... Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years

• It can be said with a high level of confidence that global mean surface temperature was higher during the last few decades of the 20th century than during any comparable period during the preceding four centuries. This statement is justified by the consistency of the evidence from a wide variety of geographically diverse proxies.

• Less confidence can be placed in large-scale surface temperature reconstructions for the period from A.D. 900 to 1600. Presently available proxy evidence indicates that temperatures at many, but not all, individual locations were higher during the past 25 years than during any period of comparable length since A.D. 900. The uncertainties associated with reconstructing hemispheric mean or global mean temperatures from these data increase substantially backward in time through this period and are not yet fully quantified.

• Very little confidence can be assigned to statements concerning the hemispheric mean or global mean surface temperature prior to about A.D. 900 because of sparse data coverage and because the uncertainties associated with proxy data and the methods used to analyze and combine them are larger than during more recent time periods.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   14:49:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

. Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years

Who was keeping the records 2000 years ago? lol

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-08-08   14:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo (#11)

I believe that I agreed that temperatures were trending upwards. However, per the report, it's not like they've never been this high. The temperature was this high 400 years ago and possibly this high 900 years ago as well. This says to me that it is natural for the Earth's temperature to fluctuate. Considering that it appears to be cyclic in nature, wouldn't it be better to assume that at some point the temperatures are going to drop again to what we consider to be normal?

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   14:59:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#13)

Considering that it appears to be cyclic in nature, wouldn't it be better to assume that at some point the temperatures are going to drop again to what we consider to be normal?

Excellent question.

But, lets take a backstep for a moment about your question. What is the reasoning about being so sensitive about the changes anyway?

I will take a stab at it... it is the incredible climb of human population growth and the impact of natural resources available to feed the same.

So it's very relevant to all to monitor the changes of the Earth's environment to ensure a method for continuing survival. The impact on all areas of life are at stake and at the moment, with increasing population growth and a decreasing capability to sustain that same burgeoning growth, the political and economic systems that we trusted as the beginnings of the USA are about to change, forever.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   15:06:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: buckeroo, F.A. Hayek Fan (#11)

So here is 130 years ...

Which only shows it has been warming since the Dalton Minimum. That is to be expected.


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farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-08   15:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, buckeroo (#13)

This says to me that it is natural for the Earth's temperature to fluctuate. Considering that it appears to be cyclic in nature, wouldn't it be better to assume that at some point the temperatures are going to drop again to what we consider to be normal?

yes. We have had two very active, dare I say record setting, solar cycles. These were in conjunction with a warming phase in the PDO and ENSO. We now not only have an extremely low solar cycle but also have PDO and ENSO in a cooling phase. The Landscheidt minimum, similar to the Dalton minimum, is upon us. Another Maunder type minimum is expected around 2025 or 35. Maunder minimum was characterized by a longer solar cycle lasting roughly 13 years, our current one went 12.5, and low solar activity.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-08   15:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: farmfriend, all (#15) (Edited)

So here is 130 years ...

Which only shows it has been warming since the Dalton Minimum. That is to be expected.

Exactly.


Q. How do you know when a period of abnormally cool temperatures ends?

A. It warms up.


Q. How can we tell when the Ice Ages ended"?

A. It warmed up.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-08   15:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#14)

it is the incredible climb of human population growth and the impact of natural resources available to feed the same.

OK now this is something I can agree with. Short of some near-extinction level event, we do have to come to terms with the scarcity of natural resources and the eventual problems that will arise due to the scarcity. From fresh water to the materials we use everyday to food it is a fact that natural resources are finite. I do not connect that with the rising of the temperatures though. There wasn't the huge population 400 or 900 years ago and yet the temps appear to still have climbed.

So it's very relevant to all to monitor the changes of the Earth's environment to ensure a method for continuing survival. The impact on all areas of life are at stake and at the moment, with increasing population growth and a decreasing capability to sustain that same burgeoning growth, the political and economic systems that we trusted as the beginnings of the USA are about to change, forever.

As far as that goes, there is an argument to be made that higher CO2 and temperature levels increases plant yield. So in this neither are a bad thing, provided they do not climb too high. I have also read a hypothesis that the rise in temps and CO2 is a natural response to the rise in population and that it is the Earth's way of maintaining a balance between resource needs and the population. Nature's own little feedback loop. However, as with all loops of this sort, it can only do so much.

This is why I do not believe space exploration is a waste of money. Common sense says that to survive as a species some of us are going to have to leave the earth and colonize other planets at some point in time.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   15:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend (#16)

We have had two very active, dare I say record setting, solar cycles. These were in conjunction with a warming phase in the PDO and ENSO. We now not only have an extremely low solar cycle but also have PDO and ENSO in a cooling phase. The Landscheidt minimum, similar to the Dalton minimum, is upon us. Another Maunder type minimum is expected around 2025 or 35. Maunder minimum was characterized by a longer solar cycle lasting roughly 13 years, our current one went 12.5, and low solar activity.

WHOOPS!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   15:31:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: buckeroo (#7)

Charts, charts, charts.

It's all a matter of scale, isn't it??

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-08-08   15:35:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo (#19)

Most of those types of graphs are using tsi. There is a lot more to the sun than that. Magnetic fields and solar wind play a big part. The tree rings that they use as a proxy for past temps have been shown to respond more to cosmic radiation than they do temp or precip. Cosmic radiation amounts have a relationship with solar wind.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-08   15:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#18)

OK now this is something I can agree with.

The existing generation of politicians in America are going to be eco-freaks; they are going to assume that government can sustain population growth by laws. And the masses shall agree by requiring changes in personal property ownership, rights, liberties and freedoms.

Short of some near-extinction level event, we do have to come to terms with the scarcity of natural resources and the eventual problems that will arise due to the scarcity. From fresh water to the materials we use everyday to food it is a fact that natural resources are finite.

Agreed.

I do not connect that with the rising of the temperatures though. There wasn't the huge population 400 or 900 years ago and yet the temps appear to still have climbed.

It was the CO2 concentrations that in turn caused GW one thousand years ago. Around the world, man became agrarian by planting economically beneficial crops .. this in turn lead to burning vast forests creating CO2 concentrations on a continuous basis.

As far as that goes, there is an argument to be made that higher CO2 and temperature levels increases plant yield.

That is true. That is to say, the plants may appear to thrive but as far as nutrient value the relative yield plummets amazingly. And as a result, the nutritious value for human supplement creates devastating health problems.

So in this neither are a bad thing, provided they do not climb too high.

We don't know what that value is.

I have also read a hypothesis that the rise in temps and CO2 is a natural response to the rise in population and that it is the Earth's way of maintaining a balance between resource needs and the population. Nature's own little feedback loop. However, as with all loops of this sort, it can only do so much.

I don't believe it. Please link it.

Common sense says that to survive as a species some of us are going to have to leave the earth and colonize other planets at some point in time.

Only a few can survive as the planet is raped of the natural resources to create that scientific capability and capacity.

You are a good poster. You made my day on this subject.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   15:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: randge (#20) (Edited)

It's all a matter of scale, isn't it??

Yes it is.

A few million years ago or two? Who cares? A few thousand years ago? Who cares? While fewer than a hundred million people populated the planet.

But today wherein we have 7BN people (and climbing) the Earth's natural resources are dwindling. An we live in contemporary times, meaning we are going to experience HUGE changes about our political/social/economic world as governments attempt to sustain that same population base for resource requirements.

It is not sustainable AND I CARE.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-08   16:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#22)

The existing generation of politicians in America are going to be eco-freaks; they are going to assume that government can sustain population growth by laws. And the masses shall agree by requiring changes in personal property ownership, rights, liberties and freedoms.

I think a truer statement would be that the existing generation of politicians in America are going to be pretend eco-freaks and use the environment to manipulate the masses into agreeing which may result in in them allowing the government to require changes in personal property ownership, rights, liberties and freedoms.

That is true. That is to say, the plants may appear to thrive but as far as nutrient value the relative yield plummets amazingly. And as a result, the nutritious value for human supplement creates devastating health problems.

I will have to take you word for it.

I don't believe it. Please link it.

Well I'm sorry if you think I am lying to you. I cannot provide a link because I do not remember when or where I read it or even how I would find it in a search engine. I just remember reading that it was a hypothesis put forth. I know I didn't make it up though.

Only a few can survive as the planet is raped of the natural resources to create that scientific capability and capacity.

What other solution is there? Even if the whole human race were only "allowed" to have one child the population would grow and we would eventually come to the point where natural resources will be unable to sustain the population.

Other than creating a "Logan's Run" type of society, I see no alternative.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   16:03:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#23)

AND I CARE

We all care, buck, believe it or not.

A lot of us recognize just how much we've been lied to on this and so many other subjects of import that we're not gonna just lay down when some pointy head says that the globe is gonna fry in x number of years.

I've studied some statistics in my time and I know what you can do with numbers and graphics. I've come to have a strong skepticism when it comes to the assertions of academics and the pronouncements of government agencies. I guess I've got to get my schnozzle much more deeply into this stuff to say whose hypotheses seem the most grounded and least tainted. That may take more time and reading than is in my budget at the moment.

I'll continue to read your posts though. Always have an open mind on this topic.

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-08-08   18:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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