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Title: Undeclared War and the Destruction of the Constitution
Source: The Tenth Amendment Center
URL Source: http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com ... struction-of-the-constitution/
Published: Aug 8, 2010
Author: staff
Post Date: 2010-08-08 21:50:38 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 199
Comments: 14

n reading the Constitution, we can plainly see that Congress possesses the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, to raise and support armies, to grant letters of marque and reprisal, to provide for the common defense,” and even “to declare war.” Congress shares, with the President, the power to make treaties and to appoint ambassadors. As for the Executive, the President is assigned only two powers relating to foreign affairs; commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and the power to receive ambassadors.

The United States Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land in our country, delegates the power to declare war to the Congress and the power to wage war to the President. What that means is that only the Congress, as representatives of the People and of the States, can determine whether or not the nation goes to war. If the People, through Congress, decide that the nation shall go to war, the President then, and only then, has the authority to wage it.

Unless the country is being invaded, if the congress does not declare war against another country, the president is constitutionally barred from waging it, no matter how much he desires to do so. This is, again, shown clearly in the following statements:

“As the executive cannot decide the question of war on the affirmative side, neither ought it to do so on the negative side, by preventing the competent body from deliberating on the question.”
- Thomas Jefferson

“The executive has no right, in any case, to decide the question, whether there is or is not cause for declaring war.”
- James Madison

Presidential orders, even those issued as commander-in-chief, are subject to restrictions imposed by Congress. A Congressional declaration of war, for example, limits Presidential powers, narrows the focus of the action, and implies, or clearly stipulates, a precise end-point to the conflict. Like it or not, the Constitution is clear, and the only way it can be changed is through the procedure for amendments as outlined in the Constitution.

All Presidents that have waged war without a Congressional declaration, including Presidents Truman, Johnson, Clinton and Bush, have broken the law; the law specifically stated in the Constitution; thereby conducting themselves like dictators, albeit democratically elected, in order to determine the future of foreign people and nations.

In addition, the fact that Congress is not permitted under the Constitution to transfer the war-declaring power to a President has been repeatedly ignored. Only Congress can declare war, if we are inclined to follow the rule of law. Thus, those members of Congress who’ve voted to do so are just as guilty, in violating the law, as Presidents have been in their act of accepting, rather than refusing, this illegal transfer of power.

To add insult to injury, many acts of war by our country have cited United Nations resolutions as justification. Ignoring the Constitution, while citing the UN as a justification for war, has shown us the callous disregard that our political rulers have had for the restraints written in the Constitution.

The framers deliberately wanted to make war difficult to embark upon without public legislative debate; thus, they intentionally kept this power out of the hands of the executive branch. It is logical to assume that they never would have dreamed of a President with such powers, or of the possibility that an international governmental body would have influence over our foreign policy; telling us when we should or should not enter into armed conflict.

As a result of our multiple undeclared wars, millions of people are dead. Since just 1999, United States’ forces have attacked at least three more nations. Each time, a President has either started the war outright, or allowed Congress to relinquish its power to decide.

Without a proper declaration or war, without public debate, without the People deciding whether or not to engage in conflict, no war is legal, moral, or just! This is exactly what our nation’s founders warned against when creating our government. Most had just left behind a monarchy where the power to declare and wage war rested on the decision of one person, the King of England. It is this they most wished to avoid.

Some have argued that the war-declaring power comes from the sum of constitutional provisions dealing with war. Abraham Lincoln’s well-known act of combining the commander-in-chief clause with the clause authorizing the President to enforce the laws is a misbegotten form of this claim.

Resolutions authorizing the Executive to initiate force are not declarations of war, however, and this point is of the greatest concern to our nation; these resolutions transfer the constitutionally-mandated Congressional authority to declare wars to the executive branch. These resolutions have told Presidents that they, and they alone, have the authority to determine when, where, why, and how war will be declared, waged, and completed.

Numerous bills have been passed by Congress, merely asking the Executive to give a courtesy report to the People, through Congress, sometime after war has begun to let us know what is happening.

But, in an age where warfare can destroy nations and people in weeks rather than years, any resolution requesting a courtesy call after conflict begins effectively hands to the Executive the dictatorial powers to declare, wage, and complete wars without the input of Congress and the People.

However, as the Supreme Court affirmed long ago, the Constitution does not permit one branch of government to delegate its powers to another branch. Thus, Congressional resolutions authorizing the President to decide whether or not to invade a foreign nation are null and void under the Constitution; leaving the President with the illegal dictatorial power to both declare and wage war.

President Clinton’s bombing of Sudan and Afghanistan on the eve of his indictment ended a Taliban plan to expel Osama bin Laden from Afghanistan. His bombing of Yugoslavia resulted in thousands of deaths, and his bombing of Baghdad on the eve of his impeachment hardly reassured anyone of a just and balanced American foreign policy.

President Bush chose to ignore the United States Constitution by ordering our military into Iraq. His son has done the same. President Reagan ignored the Constitution by attacking Libya, while Presidents Kennedy and Johnson did so by sending troops to Vietnam.

The continued bombing, blockade, and subsequent invasion of Iraq has been carried out by three Presidents and Congresses led by both major political parties. The result? The deaths of well-over a million innocents.

In launching illegal wars, these, and other Presidents sent the world the following message: While the United States is a nation that has a Constitution which expressly limits the President’s power regarding warfare; in practice, our system of government gives the Executive the power to ignore the law and exercise dictatorial powers instead.

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

One caveat - JFK wanted to bring our military advisers out of Vietnam.

Another reason that he had to die.

Lod  posted on  2010-08-08   22:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Lod (#1)

One caveat - JFK wanted to bring our military advisers out of Vietnam.

Another reason that he had to die.

Whether he would have actually brought advisers out of Vietnam is pure speculation. Robert McNamara claims that he was considering pulling out troops after the 64 election. There is supposedly a tape of Johnson confirming McNamara's claim. We know that he issued an order to remove 1,000 troops out by the end of 63. However we don't actually know if he would have gone through with pulling out all troops because the whole Democrat/Republican apparatus was pro-war, to include his advisers. Would he have been talked out of it? Maybe, maybe not. It's pure speculation one way or another.

What is a fact though is that he increased advisers from 800 to 16,300.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-08   22:21:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

There is supposedly a tape of Johnson confirming McNamara's claim.

And why we would trust anything Johnson swore was the truth? Johnson is one of the worst lying SOB Presidents America has ever had.

thewall-usa.com/

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-09   5:30:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: scrapper2, lod (#3)

And why we would trust anything Johnson swore was the truth? Johnson is one of the worst lying SOB Presidents America has ever had.

Lod made the claim that Kennedy was going to pull troops out of Vietnam as if it were a definite thing and I countered that it wasn't a definite thing and why. The only two sources that I could find that made the claim that Kennedy was considering removing troops from Vietnam was from McNamara and Johnson. Since both conspired together to create the Gulf of Tonkin lie, neither are trustworthy. For that matter, it is a travesty of justice and proof of the pure evil of both parties that McNamara wasn't tried for the murder of more than 52,000 American troops when he admitted in his autobiography that he helped fabricate the Gulf of Tonkin fraud. Having said that, being that both wanted war, there was no strategic or political reason for them to lie about Kennedy's misgivings of Vietnam. On the contrary, it would have been to their advantage to make Kennedy into being the same warmongering sociopaths that they were. You are free to believe or not to believe as you see fit.

My opinion is that Kennedy would have been talked out of pulling troops from Vietnam by his advisers and/or by pressure from both parties. Almost the whole government was pro-war and couldn't wait to dance in the blood of American troops in order to cash in their MIC chips. But that is pure speculation on my part.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-09   11:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, 4 (#4)

Interesting interview with RFK - perhaps JFK wasn't going to pull the advisers -

mcadams.posc.mu.edu/vietnam.htm

I like to think that he wouldn't have let it deteriorate into the colossal CF that LBJ and McNamara managed to achieve.

Lod  posted on  2010-08-09   11:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Lod, F.A. Hayek Fan (#5)

Thanks for the interview ink, lod. Wow, what a powerful step back in time! And another American iconic figure bites the dust...oh well...sigh...

You were right about JFK's intentions, Hayek Fan. Maybe Johnson did speak the truth on isolated occasions. Ha!

It seemed everything RFK said about the Vietnam War is very similar to what we have been told by todays current crop pf politicians re: the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, why we're there. Don't our elites ever learn from mistakes made in the past? RFK actually sounded like he believed all the empire B.S. he was spouting. I loved this line in particular:

Kennedy:

Yes, because I, everybody including General MacArthur felt that land conflict between our troops, white troops and Asian, would only lead to, end in disaster. So it was. . . . We went in as advisers, but to try to get the Vietnamese to fight themselves, because we couldn't win the war for them. They had to win the war for themselves.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-09   14:12:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Lod (#5)

I like to think that he wouldn't have let it deteriorate into the colossal CF that LBJ and McNamara managed to achieve.

Well he'd have had to work really hard to make it a worse fiasco that's for sure.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-09   15:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#6) (Edited)

Thanks for the interview ink, lod. Wow, what a powerful step back in time! And another American iconic figure bites the dust...oh well...sigh...

You were right about JFK's intentions, Hayek Fan. Maybe Johnson did speak the truth on isolated occasions. Ha!

It seemed everything RFK said about the Vietnam War is very similar to what we have been told by todays current crop pf politicians re: the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, why we're there. Don't our elites ever learn from mistakes made in the past? RFK actually sounded like he believed all the empire B.S. he was spouting. I loved this line in particular:

Kennedy:

Yes, because I, everybody including General MacArthur felt that land conflict between our troops, white troops and Asian, would only lead to, end in disaster. So it was. . . . We went in as advisers, but to try to get the Vietnamese to fight themselves, because we couldn't win the war for them. They had to win the war for themselves.

When it comes to anything JFK I become immediately wary. The media has lionized the man and turned him into some sort of Jesus Christ-like cult hero.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-09   15:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: scrapper2, people who should know better, 4 (#6)

It seemed everything RFK said about the Vietnam War is very similar to what we have been told by todays current crop pf politicians re: the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, why we're there. Don't our elites ever learn from mistakes made in the past? RFK actually sounded like he believed all the empire B.S. he was spouting.

What we have GOT TO REMEMBER is that all these guys (and now gals) are stooges and tools.

They do not make the decisions - they take the orders and execute them.

We know this: it's just tough to remember it always and in every situation.

I'm as guilty of this as anyone.

Lod  posted on  2010-08-09   17:21:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod (#9) (Edited)

What we have GOT TO REMEMBER is that all these guys (and now gals) are stooges and tools.

They do not make the decisions - they take the orders and execute them.

We know this: it's just tough to remember it always and in every situation.

I'm as guilty of this as anyone.

Why would we want to consider "that?"

If we do, life here is hopeless.And we know this is not the case - we live in the best nation in the entire world, albeit with all its warts and moles.

And frankly, maybe I'm naive, I think that there are powerful competing special interests even between federal government departments and agencies. As long as they have dissimilar goals, they cannot be on the same page. I think it's rather simplistic to say "They do not make the decisions - they take the orders and execute them." I don't believe powerful men like the President of the USA receives a phone call from "those on high" who order him to act in such and such fashion. Maybe that's what the 'net says to keep good men and women from thinking and acting like there is a hope for America. Christine's 4um site thrives because deep in our hearts, we good men and women believe that there are others like us and some who will run for political office to assure that America has a future, that does not hinge on execution orders from without.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-10   4:17:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2, Lod (#10)

“We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.” - Woodrow Wilson [U.S. President during World War I]

“Give me control of a Nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.” - Mayer Amschel Bauer (Rothschild)

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know that a financial element in the large centers has OWNED the Government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.” (History points to the last truly honorable and incorruptible American President as “Old Hickory”) - FDR to Col. E. Mandell House 11/21/1933

The real menace of our Republic is the invisible Government which like a giant Octopus, sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states, and nation. - John F. Hylan - Mayor NYC 1918-1925

The real rulers of Washington are Invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes. - Justice Felix Frankfurter - US Supreme Court Justice

Despite these warnings, Woodrow Wilson signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act. A few years later he wrote: I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. - Woodrow Wilson

The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. - Edgar J Hoover

“In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.” - Franklin D. Roosevelt

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States -in the fields of commerce and manufacturing-are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” - Woodrow Wilson

“Every time we do something, you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel . We, the Jewish people, control America , and the Americans know it.” - Ariel Sharon , October 3, 2001

“I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime.” - Albert Einstein, 1947


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-10   5:08:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: wudidiz (#11)

No offense, wudidiz, BUT our American forefathers fought a war of independence from Britain in 1776.

Your forefathers did not. In fact your forefathers were so happy to be a British colony that you did nothing to change that status for a very long long time. To be truthful, Canada only meekly asked permission for "repatriation" of its constitution around about 1982 or so? Correct? Ouch!

So please save the disparaging quotes about Americans' not having any "stuff."

scrapper2  posted on  2010-08-10   5:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: scrapper2 (#10)

And frankly, maybe I'm naive...

Maybe?


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-10   5:29:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: scrapper2 (#12)

No offense, wudidiz, BUT...

"In the United States Senate, one of the things I observed in the early days - and it's still used - and that is that you take someone's argument and then you misrepresent it and misstate and disagree with it. And it's very effective. I've done it myself a number of times. But eventually, eventually people catch on." -Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, speaking at the National Press Club in Washington


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-10   5:38:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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