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Title: US Government in Massive New Global Warming Scandal – NOAA Disgraced
Source: Climate Change Fraud
URL Source: http://www.climatechangefraud.com/c ... warming-scandal-noaa-disgraced
Published: Aug 9, 2010
Author: John O'Sullivan
Post Date: 2010-08-09 23:40:21 by farmfriend
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US Government in Massive New Global Warming Scandal – NOAA Disgraced

Written by John O'Sullivan, special to Climate Change Fraud | 09 August 2010

Global warming data apparently cooked by U.S. government-funded body shows astounding temperature fraud with increases averaging 10 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit.

The tax-payer funded National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has become mired in fresh global warming data scandal involving numbers for the Great Lakes region that substantially ramp up averages.

A beleaguered federal agency appears to be implicated in the most blatant and extreme case of climate data fraud yet seen. Official records have been confirmed as evidence that a handful of temperature records for the Great Lakes region have been hiked up by literally hundreds of degrees to substantially inflate the average temperature range for the northeastern United States.

The web pages at the center of this latest climate storm were created by NOAA in partnership with Michigan State University.

Disgraced Administration Mired in Another Climategate-style Data Fix

Someone under the pseudonym ‘Sportsmen’ anonymously tipped off skeptic blog, Climatechangefraud.com. Independent analysts affirm the web pages as genuine.

In his email the faceless whistleblower explains that what precipitated the scoop was “a rather dubious report in the media that the Great Lakes temperatures have risen 10 to 15 degrees, I found it was downright laughable.” (Just a few examples of media hysteria here and here and here and here)

He continues, “ Prior to this report I would frequent the ‘Coastal Watch’ temperature maps for northern Lake Michigan. When this report came out it dawned on me that the numbers didn't match what I had been reading on the Coastal Watch temperature page.”

Under a scheme called ‘Sea Grant’ NOAA collaborates with national universities to compile an official federal temperature record. In this instance, the partnersip is with Michigan University’s ‘Coastal Watch.’

Together the two institutions show temperature maps for northern Lake Michigan registering an absurd 430 degrees Fahrenheit -yes, you read it right –that’s four hundred and thirty degrees-and this is by no means the highest temperature recorded on the charts.

In the heated debate about Earth’s ever-changing climate you certainly don’t need to be scientist to figure out that the Great Lakes would have boiled away at a mere 212 degrees so something has seriously gone awry inside this well-funded program.

In addition to its civilian employees, NOAA research and operations are supported by 300 uniformed service members who make up the NOAA Commissioned Officer Corps. But don’t bet on anyone being court-marshalled over this latest global warming fiasco.

Paid for entirely from federal taxes, the shamed public body’s key responsibilities include warning of dangerous weather and protection of ocean and coastal resources, and conducts research to improve understanding and stewardship of the environment.

Michigan State University Also Complicit in Fraud?

The worst evidence of hyper-inflated global warming data is on a web page entitled, ‘Michigan State University Remote Sensing & GIS Research and Outreach Services.’

While another web page identifies that Michigan State University’s ‘Coastal Watch’ site is officially connected to NOAA thus implicating both institutions in a climate data conspiracy. At the bottom of the web page mention is made of ‘Sea Grant’ that is described as a “unique partnership of public and private sectors that combines research, education and technology transfer for public service.“

The legend further boasts that such data is shared across “ a national network of universities meeting the changing environmental and economic needs of Americans in coastal ocean and Great Lakes regions.”

NOAA Makes it White Hot in Wisconsin

But our intrepid anonymous whistleblower wasn’t done yet. He pointed out that Egg Harbor, Wisconsin, really got cooking this July 4th around 9:59AM, according to NOAA and Coast Watch. It was there, at the bottom left row of the temperature data points, that the records reveal on that day a phenomenally furnace-like 600 degrees Fahrenheit. (Click here if CoastWatch link does not work or disappears)

Further analysis of the web pages shows that the incredibly wide temperature swings were occurring in remarkably short 10-hour periods-and sometimes in less than 5 hours. Strangely, none of the 250 citizens of the 78 families living in the village appeared to notice this apocalyptic heatwave during their holiday festivities.

Hidden Data Spike Hikes Heating Averages

But our sharp-eyed stranger comments, “ As I understand it, the current available Gif data maps are several for the latest dates, but the archives have less dates to choose from. It's possible that in the past these numbers were incorrect but in the archive system you do not see the numbers that could have been in gross error.”

So it may reasonably be inferred climate fraudsters had a perfect opportunity here to fraudulently apply overcooked and overlooked data so that America’s Joe Public would be none the wiser that a few climate numbers vastly ramped up the national temperature averages.

Laughably, NOAA publishes a caveat at the bottom right corner of their web page warning about their data is “Not to be used for navigation purposes!”

The current head of NOAA is Dr. Jane Lubchenco, nominated by President Barack Obama and confirmed by the United States Senate on March 19, 2009 and is the first woman to serve as NOAA administrator. On her appointment Lubchenco declared that science would guide the agency and that she expects it to play a role in developing a green economy. You can say that again!

Readers now interested in doing their own detective work may wish to peruse the further data found here and here

to further ascertain whether climate doomsayers have rigged more ‘real world’ temperatures in a shabby scheme to win support for green energy tax hikes. If you find anything be sure to drop Lubchenco a line here.

John O'Sullivan is a legal analyst, author and journalist. As an accredited academic, John taught and lectured for over twenty years at schools and colleges in the east of England before moving to the United States. As an analytical commentator, O'Sullivan has published over 100 major articles worldwide. Subscribe to *Agriculture-Environment*

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#1. To: farmfriend (#0) (Edited)

We are seeing fraud, theft, and outright treason in almost every major institution in this nation; from government, to religion, to the press to the school and college systems.

And it is by cause and design by foreign nations and foreign interests.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-08-09   23:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: farmfriend (#0)

Readers now interested in doing their own detective work may wish to peruse the further data found here and here

Well, I checked out both here: www.coastwatch.msu.edu/michigan/archive/m1/Jul04/ and here: www.coastwatch.msu.edu/michigan/archive/m1/Aug11/ and see nothing about the author's absurd rants. Maybe you can chime in on how and idiot can write an article filled with silly ideas and then how some of those author's readers can be influenced to lift the article and spread it around in chit-chat forums.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   12:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeroo (#2)

check here


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   12:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: farmfriend (#3)

Access forbidden!

You don't have permission to access the requested object. It is either read-protected or not readable by the server.

If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster. Error 403 www.climatechangefraud.com Tue Aug 10 09:46:23 2010 Apache/2.2.14

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   12:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend (#0)

“a unique partnership of public and private sectors that combines research, education and technology transfer for public service.“

Read: "an inbred old-boy network of university grifters and government hacks that combines fraud, propaganda and sleight-of-hand by public servants."

There is no long form.

randge  posted on  2010-08-10   13:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: randge (#5)

Read: "an inbred old-boy network of university grifters and government hacks that combines fraud, propaganda and sleight-of-hand by public servants."

LOL yep.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   13:07:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeroo (#4)

Interesting. So they removed to links that showed what they did.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   20:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: farmfriend (#7)

Because ... to use a popular colloquial cliché .... it was BS.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   20:09:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#8)

Because ... to use a popular colloquial cliché .... it was BS.

Yes it was BS put out by the NOAA and the university. I saw it before they took it down.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   20:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#5)

“a unique partnership of public and private sectors that combines research, education and technology transfer for public service.“

The definition of "public service" being open to interpretation, as usual.

Let's go buy a media empire, get our interpretation up there on the public stage.

"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2010-08-10   20:19:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: farmfriend (#9)

Yes it was BS put out by the NOAA and the university. I saw it before they took it down.

As always, WHOOPS! .... your original link was on this server:

climatechangefraud.com ... that isn't NOAA or an accredited university, now is it?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   20:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo (#11)

As always, WHOOPS! .... your original link was on this server:

climatechangefraud.com ... that isn't NOAA or an accredited university, now is it?

It was an archived version of what the university had on their server. That original link was taken down. I saw the archived version on the climate fraud site.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   20:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: farmfriend (#12)

If climatechangefraud.com ARCHIVED the data, then that same data should be at the climatechangefraud.com server (based on your own link ...) independent of NOAA or any other server.... shouldn't it?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   21:00:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: farmfriend (#0)

Laughably, NOAA publishes a caveat at the bottom right corner of their web page warning about their data is “Not to be used for navigation purposes!”

Especially not on those boiling lakes and rivers!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-10   21:02:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: randge (#5)

Read: "an inbred old-boy network of university grifters and government hacks that combines fraud, propaganda and sleight-of-hand by public servants."

LOL! Good one. But don't take your boat out on the Great Lakes. The water might start boiling and you could be cooked!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-10   21:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: farmfriend (#9)

Yes it was BS put out by the NOAA and the university. I saw it before they took it down.

So why would the whistleblowers take it down? It was on their site after all.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-08-10   21:08:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: JRiggs (#16)

So why would the whistleblowers take it down? It was on their site after all.

That is the question. Perhaps they didn't take it down but it was done for them.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:22:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: buckeroo (#13)

If climatechangefraud.com ARCHIVED the data, then that same data should be at the climatechangefraud.com server (based on your own link ...) independent of NOAA or any other server.... shouldn't it?

It was there when I posted the link. You have as much info as I have.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:23:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: farmfriend, JRiggs, AGAviator (#17)

Perhaps they didn't take it down but it was done for them.

Conspiracy theories, yet again!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   21:24:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: JRiggs, buckeroo (#16)

It's still there. If you go to my original link in the header. There is a link right above the picture "(Click here if CoastWatch link does not work or disappears)" click on that.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: buckeroo, JRiggs (#19)

The link here works again.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: farmfriend (#18)

But I gave you the original links referenced in the article up the thread as reference material... did you look at those links from NOAA? There was no data about any scenario as the author of your article suggests.

Another BOGUS thread, busted!

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   21:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeroo, JRiggs, (#19)

Conspiracy theories, yet again!

I didn't say anything about conspiracies. I suggest "one" possible answer to a question. You asked me a question I have no way of knowing the answer to. You didn't want me to make suggestions you shouldn't have asked. And you most certainly shouldn't deride me for having a conversation.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:28:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: buckeroo (#22)

But I gave you the original links referenced in the article up the thread as reference material... did you look at those links from NOAA? There was no data about any scenario as the author of your article suggests.

Yes I did look. And just because the data isn't there now doesn't mean it wasn't there before. You have proved nothing.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:30:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: buckeroo (#22)

Go look at mine again.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-10   21:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#21)

The link here works again.

What link?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   21:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#25)

What link? You have confused the thread.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   21:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#21)

I'm as willing as the next person to doubt anything the government does, but even I doubt that they'd try to pawn off 600F temps on Lake Michigan as being real.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-08-10   21:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: JRiggs, farmfriend (#28)


I ran out of smart sounding quotes

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-10   21:50:14 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: farmfriend (#23)

It appears that this is a legitimate image, but the coastwatch site does say that temps in cloud covered areas - black - aren't accurate.

So while it is a screwup, I doubt that it's part of a government conspiracy.

Now whether anyone has used this bogus data to make climate models is anybodys guess.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-08-10   22:03:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: All (#30)

And to completely beat this horse to death, there's now this:

Michigan Sea Grant is now reading "NOTICE: Due to degradation of a satellite sensor used by this mapping product, some images have exhibited extreme high and low surface temperatures. Please disregard these images as anomalies. Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor will be/have been removed from the image archive."

JRiggs  posted on  2010-08-10   22:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: JRiggs (#31)

Link required.

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   22:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: buckeroo (#32)

Link required.

Suspicious, are we?

LINK.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-08-10   22:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: JRiggs (#33)

Suspicious, are we?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   22:29:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: JRiggs (#33)

Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor

So NOAA is responsible for minutiae?

"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET

buckeroo  posted on  2010-08-10   22:42:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeroo (#27)

What link? You have confused the thread.

The thread or you? One of these posts tells you how to find it on the original site. I think the site doesn't like hot links from other sites so you will have to go to the source.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-11   1:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: buckeroo (#35)

So NOAA is responsible for minutiae?

They are if they are going to base national policy off their errors.


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-08-11   1:03:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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