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Title: MEXICO - Vicente Fox has solution for drug cartels: "LEGALIZE DRUGS"
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URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010- ... on-as-way-to-end-violence.html
Published: Aug 10, 2010
Author: By Jonathan J. Levin and Jens Erik Gould
Post Date: 2010-08-10 11:26:55 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
Keywords: SB1070
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Former Mexican President Vicente Fox said his country should legalize the production and sale of drugs in order to curb rising cartel-related violence. Legalizing narcotics would curtail funding to organized crime groups, who are using profits from the drug trade to consolidate power, Fox wrote yesterday on his personal website. “Radical prohibition strategies have never worked,” Fox said. “The cost of the fight against organized crime, and in particular narcotics trafficking, has been enormous in our country.” The drug war has killed 28,000 people in Mexico since late 2006, when President Felipe Calderon entered office vowing to take on the cartels, according to data from the government intelligence agency, known as CISEN. That’s keeping tourists away and limiting foreign direct investment, Fox said. Fox said in a July 28 interview with Bloomberg Television that the U.S. as well as Mexico were responsible for the violence. “What is happening is that this huge market of the United States in drug consumption, the largest in the world, is generating the weapons that are sold to Mexican cartels, and is generating the money that is laundered in the United States and brought to Mexico,” Fox said. Arms Trafficking More than 90 percent of weapons used in violent crimes in Mexico are brought in illegally from the U.S., according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives. President Barack Obama vowed during a visit to Mexico last year that the U.S. would take more aggressive steps to help the country battle drug cartels by urging the Senate to ratify a decade-old treaty on arms trafficking in Latin America. Calderon, a member of Fox’s National Action Party, said last week that he was open to debate on the legalization issue, even as he said he was personally opposed to the idea because it represented a health risk to society. Legalization measures have worked in other countries, which use new taxes on the products to finance addiction recovery programs, Fox said. In 2009, Mexico decriminalized possession of small amounts of drugs including marijuana, cocaine and heroin.
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#23. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#22)
The only thing you have any business getting a license in is a dog catcher, used car salesman, or politician. With your mindset, you have absolutely no business being in a position to prescribe clinical drugs to human beings, let alone dogs or cars. What you could do though is become a personal script filler for the obama white house. You'd fit in like a glove.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Incredibly, I am finding there is a large number of "CONSERVATIVES" who are unable to differentiate the wholesale destruction on a society that the opiate and hallucinogenic drugs have as compared to alcohol. These people need to do some research on what has happened to Europe since these drugs have been decriminalized. Google drug addiction in Sweden, Holland, and Scandinavia where the governments openly distribute syringes and drugs to heroin and meth addicts.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
With your mindset, you have absolutely no business being in a position to prescribe clinical drugs to human beings, let alone dogs or cars. What you could do though is become a personal script filler for the obama white house. You'd fit in like a glove. And yet you have no say in the matter do you? LOL! Poor little impotent drug warrior.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
These people need to do some research on what has happened to Europe since these drugs have been decriminalized. Google drug addiction in Sweden, Holland, and Scandinavia where the governments openly distribute syringes and drugs to heroin and meth addicts. According to this link and this link Sweden has some of the toughest drug laws in Europe. They are also tougher than the drug laws here in the United States. In the United States you can buy syringes without a prescription in 39 states. Every state in the union also gives drugs to heroin addicts in the form of methadone clinics. By the way brainchild, Scandinavia is not a country, it is a region. A region that includes Sweden. Therefore you have, in effect, named Sweden twice. So Sweden has tougher drug laws than the United States and even theirs aren't good enough for you. I can't help but wonder just how much power you are willing to give the government in your crusade to live in history's very first drug free society. Neocons want to disregard the Constitution in the name of the War on Terror and people like you want to disregard it in the name of the War on Drugs. You are two peas in a pod.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Which one do you plan to get hooked on first once they're legal?
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
That's funny. Do you support the Second Amendment? If so, using your logic I could claim you're planning an imminent shooting.
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
You really need to hook up with F.A. Hayek Fan. Once he gets his license, both of you can overdose together.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Hey Dak, I think we got us a real live drug dealer here. He's peddling the WOD so that he can continue selling drugs to children instead of getting a real job.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
I'm with Fox on this one.
Meth? Crack? Mescaline? Weed? Hash? Or do you mainline? Tell us more. Happy, I don't speak for anyone but myself but those of us who disagree with the insane war on drugs and drug laws in general are not all dopers. I take the medicine that my doctor prescribes for me and I drink a beer once in a while. But the reason I am against Prohibition is that it does not work and there is no authority for it in the Constitution. The Constitution can be amended to allow it--it was done before with alcohol and we have all seen how that worked out--but they just pass laws in total disregard of the Constitution and their oaths. If they can outlaw things you don't care for today in violation of the Constitution they can also outlaw things you do like tomorrow. Something to think about.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Ditto...some people preach freedom, as long as THEY get to decide what someone's free to do.
I'm surrounded
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
LOL! That was a good one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. great tag!
That's right simpleton. Everyone that doesn't agree with you is a doper.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
I tried that line of thinking with him to and all I got for my troubles is that I'm a doper. He's a statist. If you read the whole thread he bitches about Sweden's drug laws however, after doing some research I found that Sweden's drug laws are actually harsher than the laws here in the US. So a legitimate question to ask is if Sweden's harsher drug laws aren't good enough for him, just how far does he want government to go in order to implement his drug free utopia? Of course he refuses to answer because (IMHO) the answer is that he would have us all living in Pol Pot's Cambodia if that's what he thought it would take.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
At the end of the day all you can do is try your best and if you do that that is all anyone can reasonably expect. I try to explain things to people the best way I know how but I realize that I won't reach everyone no matter how good I think the explanation is. None of us can reach everyone and not everyone will accept the fact that the (federal) government has no business whatsoever outlawing drugs. What drugs people should take, or not take, is a matter best left between them and their doctor so long as they aren't hurting other people. And there are already penalties for that without an insane (not to mention insanely expensive) and useless war on a commodity.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Happy, don't you think it's the profit motive that keeps the drug traffick business going? Perhaps decriminalizing drugs might be a solution that would work to lower the abuse rather than increase it.
Well according to happy, I should not even be allowed to be a doctor because I am against the WOD. LOL! He's f4um's own little Adolph.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
I'm against it too. I'll take 100 Tramadol asap. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Happy, don't give up yet. From my first hand experience with addicts, methadone clinics and hopeless drunks, if someone could round them all up, dig a giant hole and bury them, I'll buy into that.
Swiss approve pioneering legal heroin program GENEVA — The world's most comprehensive legalized heroin program became permanent Sunday with overwhelming approval from Swiss voters who simultaneously rejected the decriminalization of marijuana. The heroin program, started in 1994, is offered in 23 centers across Switzerland. It has helped eliminate scenes of large groups of drug users shooting up openly in parks that marred Swiss cities in the 1980s and 1990s and is credited with reducing crime and improving the health and daily lives of addicts. The nearly 1,300 selected addicts, who have been unhelped by other therapies, visit one of the centers twice a day to receive the carefully measured dose of heroin produced by a government-approved laboratory. They keep their paraphernalia in cups labeled with their names and use the equipment and clean needles to inject themselves – four at a time – under the supervision of a nurse, and also receive counseling from psychiatrists and social workers. The aim is to help the addicts learn how to function in society. The United States and the U.N. narcotics board have criticized the program as potentially fueling drug abuse, but it has attracted attention from governments as far away as Australia and Canada, which in recent years have started or are considering their own programs modeled on the system. The Netherlands started a smaller program in 2006, and it serves nearly 600 patients. Britain has allowed individual doctors to prescribe heroin since the 1920s, but it has been running trials similar to the Swiss approach in recent years. Belgium, Germany, Spain and Canada have been running trial programs too. Sixty-eight percent of the 2.26 million Swiss voters casting ballots approved making the heroin program permanent. By contrast, around 63.2 percent of voters voted against the marijuana proposal, which was based on a separate citizens' initiative to decriminalize the consumption of marijuana and growing the plant for personal use. Olivier Borer, 35, a musician from the northern town of Solothurn, said he welcomed the outcome in part because state action was required to help heroin addicts, but he said legalizing marijuana was a bad idea. "I think it's very important to help these people, but not to facilitate the using of drugs," Borer said. "You can just see in the Netherlands how it's going. People just go there to smoke." Sabina Geissbuehler-Strupler of the right-wing Swiss People's Party, which led the campaign against the heroin program, said she was disappointed in the vote. "That is only damage limitation," she said. "Ninety-five percent of the addicts are not healed from the addiction." Health insurance pays for the bulk of the program, which costs 26 million Swiss francs ($22 million) a year. All residents in Switzerland, which has a population of 7.5 million, are required to have health insurance, with the government paying insurance premiums for those who cannot afford it. Parliament approved the heroin measure in a revision of Switzerland's narcotics law in March, but conservatives challenged the decision and forced a national referendum under Switzerland's system of direct democracy. Jo Lang, a Green Party member of parliament from the central city of Zug, said he was disappointed in the failure of the marijuana measure because it means 600,000 people in Switzerland will be treated as criminals because they use cannabis. "People have died from alcohol and heroin, but not from cannabis," Lang said. The government, which opposed the marijuana proposal, said it feared that liberalizing cannabis could cause problems with neighboring countries. On a separate issue, 52 percent of voters approved an initiative to eliminate the statute of limitations on pornographic crimes against children before the age of puberty. The current Swiss statute of limitations on prosecuting pedophile pornography is 15 years. The initiative will result in a change in the constitution to remove that time limit.
HEY! Lets goto Needle Park.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
================================================ I'm still surrounded
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
======================================== I have never and will never give up on MYSELF. If you have ever helped an addict or drunk, then GOD BLESS YOU for doing it! Every one of them I've ever met wished to god they had never seen a joint, needle, or snort line. I know I'm right. Still surrounded though
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
==================================== U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
sorry, but i don't understand that as an answer to my question.
Which one do you plan to get hooked on first once they're legal? Excellent Dak. The most incisive comment on the thread. Exactly, which drug do most people want to get hooked on? The entire point is that, as you point out, most people who do not do drugs, which are very widely and easily available as is, would continue to not use drugs and people who do now, while they are illegal, would continue to do them. The winner is the tax payer who is sick and tired of drug war excesses such as property confiscation, "No Knock" terror raids killing people at the wrong address - like the 92(?) year old lady who got whacked last year. All those wonderful things we've become so accustomed to because some people are afraid that other people will behave stupidly. Who'd a thunk?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
======================================== I have never and will never give up on MYSELF. If you have ever helped an addict or drunk, then GOD BLESS YOU for doing it! Every one of them I've ever met wished to god they had never seen a joint, needle, or snort line. I know I'm right. Still surrounded though I agree with and applaud your humanity. I do not however, agree with your solution of continuing to enable violent drug cartels. And that is basically what you are doing in supporting the "War on some drugs". Anti-Depressants, and you can check this out in the "Physicians Desk Reference", such as Prozac, Effexor, and Paxil have more, and more severe, side effects than Heroin, and they are legal. While I don't reccomend any of them the reality is that the unstaunched flow of drugs, and dirty money, could not exist without government collaboration and connivance. What the "War on Drugs" is, in reality, is a war on the "unapproved" drug gangs. If you would take the time to inform yourself about reality instead allowing your emotional revulsion at the horrors of drug addiction blind you, you might begin to understand that the most humane and effective solution to drug addiction is not criminalize but treat.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
It's a health issue not a criminal one.
i live in what's been referred to as the meth capital of the world & i don't believe, like happy suggested, that all former dopers agree w/ the drug war. most people know it's a racket. even gop icons gwbush & sarah palin are self admitted dopers! for goodness sakes, what a joke this country is.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 The WOD has been a miserable failure. I also think that legalizing the currently illegal narcotics will not work, either. Drug use and the pursuit of money to buy drugs via burglary/robbing/etc. will skyrocket once they become legal. I've got my hands full on the weekends dealing with TWO dope houses and a corrupt sheriff's department that gives minimal lip service to decent folks who want the dopers put away. These little punks park in the courthouse parking lot on the town square and everybody knows who they are and what they're up to. I've come too close this year to walking up to the little miscreants and putting a 158gr chunk of lead between their horns in front of God and everybody.
__________________________________________________________ That was funny Buck. Good to see you don't fall for the legalizatin of Heroin.
Drug use and the pursuit of money to buy drugs via burglary/robbing/etc. will skyrocket once they become legal. ========================================== Sanity in the Nut House. We're surrounded
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Thank you! If it wasn't for the profit motive, there would be no drug problem. The ones that buy it will buy it whether it's "illegal" to do so or not. But the ones that sell it care only for the money. If it were up to me, I'd legalize it, and tax it, and put that money where no one could even touch it unless they were providing rehab. I saw a program once where heroin addiction was cured in one hour. I don't remember the specifics other than it's done with one injection. Maybe your husband knows about this? Evidently it's a rather hazardous thing to go through so they do it in hospitals. I'd build those hospitals. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or ============================================= I am utterly amazed at the logic the "Legalize Marijuana" advocacy group uses, and even more amazed at the ignorant people who buy into it. Make it legal and the problem will go away. You AT LEAST recognized there "might be" a line drawn for WHICH opiates and hallucinogenics should/could be legalized. America might just as well be stoned out of it's gourd when China and the Mexicans march onto the White House lawn anyway.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
They sell at the courthouse? Can you go guerrilla on the sheriff and the punks? All you need is a camcorder and maybe a parabolic mic, and a contact in the media. You'd be handing them the story of a lifetime. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or Happy, I suggest that those who advocate for drug legalization begin to take Powerball tickets on a weekly basis. Their chances of hitting the jackpot is far better than is a change in our drug policy. This argument comes up during most election cycles and the Libertarian Party routinely registers less than 1% of the vote. When the advocates can move that number significantly North, they'll be taken seriously.
The discussion has nothing to do with the probability of having it happen. Clearly, it won't. Propaganda does a wonderful job of keeping the herd in line, and the AMA started the clarion call back in the early 20th century in order to preserve their monopoly on drug dispensation. But end of the day, unconstitutional is unconstitutional, even if it means that we have to accept some things people do that we may not like. Personally, I've never, EVER done an illicit drug. Growing up and "coming of age" starting in the late 1970's through the mid 1980's, I had ample offers and opportunity. Didn't seem wise even then. But that doesn't mean that I think that we should allow unconstitutional laws to stand, just because I may happen to disapprove of some types of license in society. Consistency is what I strive for. If people want drugs to be constitutionally illegal then the impetus is on them to pass a constitutional amendment. I'm the same way regarding war (Congress has to declare it, not the President), and other items. If I allow some things to get a wink and nod and pass under the radar then I'm no better than people like Obama and frankly, every bit the destructor that he and his ilk are, just for different reasons.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
====================================================== IT?
Which ones would you legalize? What would be the cutoff age?
12? I see nobody here has a clue on what an opium war can do. HINT: CHINA
This country is lethargic to the point of being brain dead. NEXT: Use
US troops to protect the opium fields of Afghanistan, and make sure to issue
each one world wide a bag a day to smoke, just to keep them alert on the job.
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
As far as I'm concerned, a person can lock themselves in their home and get stoned out of their mind 24x7. This was a common way of life in any slum I ever worked in. The problem for me is that these non producers have to be supported by tax payers. Daily heroin, crank, PCP and crack use has a way of making a person useless. Would you agree with me that the legions of people like this shouldn't be a drain on our wallets by way of additional taxes for "services'? If yes, what should we do with these hopelessly addicted who refuse offers to rehab?
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#24. To: All (#0)
#25. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#23)
The only thing you have any business getting a license in is a dog catcher, used car salesman, or politician.
#26. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, all (#24)
Incredibly, I am finding there is a large number of "CONSERVATIVES" who are unable to differentiate the wholesale destruction on a society that the opiate and hallucinogenic drugs have as compared to alcohol.
#27. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#3)
Legalizing heroin, hashish, marijuana, meth, crank, LSD, and all other addictive, destructive drugs in the US will only ACCELERATE our demise.
#28. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#7)
The sympathizers wanting to legalize drugs are usually the ones creating the market for them.
#29. To: Dakmar, F.A. Hayek Fan (#27)
#30. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, Dakmar (#29)
(Edited)
You really need to hook up with F.A. Hayek Fan. Once he gets his license, both of you can overdose together.
#31. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
#32. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#11)
What is your favorite recreational drug and how often do you fire up with it?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
#35. To: Dakmar, Quote of the Day (#27)
Which one do you plan to get hooked on first once they're legal?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#36. To: PnbC (#6)
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
#37. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#34)
I'm surrounded
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
Happy, I don't speak for anyone but myself but those of us who disagree with the insane war on drugs and drug laws in general are not all dopers. I take the medicine that my doctor prescribes for me and I drink a beer once in a while. But the reason I am against Prohibition is that it does not work and there is no authority for it in the Constitution. The Constitution can be amended to allow it--it was done before with alcohol and we have all seen how that worked out--but they just pass laws in total disregard of the Constitution and their oaths. If they can outlaw things you don't care for today in violation of the Constitution they can also outlaw things you do like tomorrow. Something to think about.
#39. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#38)
(Edited)
I tried that line of thinking with him to and all I got for my troubles is that I'm a doper.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#40. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#34)
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#39)
What drugs people should take, or not take, is a matter best left between them and their doctor so long as they aren't hurting other people.
#42. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#41)
Well according to happy, I should not even be allowed to be a doctor because I am against the WOD.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#43. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#34)
#44. To: All (#40)
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#45. To: christine (#44)
#46. To: christine (#40)
Happy, don't you think it's the profit motive that keeps the drug traffick business going? Perhaps decriminalizing drugs might be a solution that would work to lower the abuse rather than increase it.
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#43)
Happy, don't give up yet. From my first hand experience with addicts, methadone clinics and hopeless drunks, if someone could round them all up, dig a giant hole and bury them, I'll buy into that.
#48. To: christine (#40)
Happy, don't you think it's the profit motive that keeps the drug traffick business going?
defeatist
an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat
#49. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#48)
defeatist an attitude of accepting, expecting, or being resigned to defeat
#50. To: Dakmar, HAPPY2BME-4UM, all (#27)
Legalizing heroin, hashish, marijuana, meth, crank, LSD, and all other addictive, destructive drugs in the US will only ACCELERATE our demise.
#51. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, christine, Dakmar, Jethro Tull (#47)
Happy, don't give up yet. From my first hand experience with addicts, methadone clinics and hopeless drunks, if someone could round them all up, dig a giant hole and bury them, I'll buy into that.
#52. To: Original_Intent, HAPPY2BME-4UM (#51)
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#53. To: wudidiz, original_intent, happy2bme-4um (#52)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#54. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#55. To: buckeroo (#45)
HEY! Lets goto Needle Park.
#56. To: X-15 (#54)
I also think that legalizing the currently illegal narcotics will not work, either.
#57. To: christine, all (#40)
(Edited)
Happy, don't you think it's the profit motive that keeps the drug traffick business going? Perhaps decriminalizing drugs might be a solution that would work to lower the abuse rather than increase it.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#58. To: Original_Intent (#51)
If you would take the time to inform yourself about reality instead allowing your emotional revulsion at the horrors of drug addiction blind you, you might begin to understand that the most humane and effective solution to drug addiction is not criminalize but treat.
#59. To: X-15 (#54)
These little punks park in the courthouse parking lot on the town square and everybody knows who they are and what they're up to.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#60. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#58)
#61. To: Jethro Tull (#60)
Happy, I suggest that those who advocate for drug legalization begin to take Powerball tickets on a weekly basis. Their chances of hitting the jackpot is far better than is a change in our drug policy. This argument comes up during most election cycles and the Libertarian Party routinely registers less than 1% of the vote. When the advocates can move that number significantly North, they'll be taken seriously.
#62. To: PSUSA (#57)
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If it were up to me, I'd legalize it, and tax
it, and put that money where no one could even touch it unless
they were providing rehab.
#63. To: SonOfLiberty (#61)
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