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Title: Federal workers earning double their private counterparts
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USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/money/econo ... 2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm
Published: Aug 11, 2010
Author: Dennis Cauchon
Post Date: 2010-08-11 16:37:22 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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At a time when workers' pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees' average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds. Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade. Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available. The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year. Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years. "The data are not useful for a direct public-private pay comparison," says Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. Chris Edwards, a budget analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, thinks otherwise. "Can't we now all agree that federal workers are overpaid and do something about it?" he asks. Last week, President Obama ordered a freeze on bonuses for 2,900 political appointees. For the rest of the 2-million-person federal workforce, Obama asked for a 1.4% across-the-board pay hike in 2011, the smallest in more than a decade. Federal workers also would qualify for seniority pay hikes. Congressional Republicans want to cancel the across-the-board increase in 2011, which would save $2.2 billion. "Americans are fed up with public employee pay scales far exceeding that in the private sector," says Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., the second-ranking Republican in the House. Sen. Ted Kaufman, D-Del., says a pay freeze would unfairly scapegoat federal workers without addressing real budget problems. What the data show: •Benefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569. •Pay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in experience and education. •Total compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since 2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private workers.
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#20. To: Cynicom (#18)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
my brother has strongly considered retiring from the air force. just a few years ago he felt his retirement was imminent. However, what stopped him is that he found that in the private sector he'd make a lot less money. now he's decided to stay until he must leave.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Perhaps the problem is that yours was before my time, a more current time. I see. I was never ashamed of what I did for a living, government or otherwise. Painting government service with a broad brush is very easy to do, especially when it is all bad, that brings out anger from people that have never been there and are easily led. On a current and local basis, I expect prompt service from my local police and fire people, 24/7. Just perhaps that translates to most jobs in state and federal service?
How on earth would you arrive at that conclusion???? All inclusive statements are one thing, easily broadcast, it is quite another program to assume to know ALL about someone else. Such dilutes ones input to a very low grade.
Yes, then there's the New Orleans PD, an exemplary organization if there ever was one.
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__________________________________________________________ CAA? Criminy, did you hang out with the Wright brothers?
"The data are not useful for a direct public-private pay comparison," says Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union. A union for U.S. Treasury workers? Sounds like a bunch of pirates if you ask me. All while real unions like UAW and Teamsters are being undermined by same government and all it's minions. Back, and to the right... (X)8
"The people in power will not disappear voluntarily, giving flowers to the cops just isn't going to work. This thinking is fostered by the establishment; they like nothing better than love and nonviolence. The only way I like to see cops given flowers is in a flower pot from a high window.” - William S Burroughs
Obama is assembling his promised civilian army.
No, but I knew a man that his pilots license was signed by Wilbur Wright.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Your personal opinion, however I would be willing to have you prove your point or view on most any current subject?
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Usually I refrain from personal posts, however, in your case I will relent. Since coming here you have shown us two things, your mental age and your lack of ability to debate or even discuss any subject in depth. Otherwise, I find you interesting, intelligent but lacking in wisdom.
A high level of skill as a Jewish ass kisser? That must be what they mean. That's the only skill they have.
God is always good!
Thanks for reminding me why I bozoed him years ago, I kind of forgot.
God is always good!
Seems to be a lot of that going around.... ;-)
Is this man clueless?
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Perhaps we should give the politicians what they want; a communist revolution where by we seize all the property held by federal workers, from government agents to the politicians, and the lobbyists whom control them after we imprison them to labor camps.
I'm guessing our biggest expense comes in the form of federal salaries. That's really why we barrow so much, to pay federal workers. Other than that I agree we need to do away with the Fed and fiat money.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Neither. The states are sovereign.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Corporations are not people. Taxing corporations is just a hidden tax on the people as tax costs are passed on to consumers. Corporations should not have free speech rights either. They are not people. O_I, wasn't there a court ruling that made corporations like people?
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. I'll bet that is worth a collectors buck or two.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. IMHO fiat money is not bad, but is good. it is bad when the Federal Reserve is allowed to manage the fiat money for its own profit. That job should be done by our government. Imagine if the federal government did what the Fed currently does. They would create new money from thin air, then they would lend the money out to select and prominent large banks. Then these banks would pay the money back over time including principal and interest. This would cause a huge cash flow to government. Government would have the opportunity to cut taxes dramatically. That would be a good thing, not a bad thing. We did it this way in our country prior to 1763. It worked fabulously. We as a people were made prosperous by this. If prosperity for the people were a priority today, then we would do it again. Prosperity for our people is NOT a priority.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Neither. The states are sovereign. and if you really think that our 50 states are sovereign anywhere, then you are living in a dream-world. Our federal government dictates to all of the states. It decides how much to tax, it collects taxes within the states, the federal government controls the military, even the various state militias are today 100% controlled by Washington, reforms were made in the Bush admin to take all power from states concerning their state militia or national guards. The 50 states don't coin money either. In Washington they decide that every single school in America will hire a psychiatrist. If a school fails, they have their funding cut by the Washington bureaucracy called Department of Education. If the psychiatrist does not put children on drugs according to a schedule made in Washington, then the psychiatrist is deemed by the people in washington to not be doing his/her job and funding for the school is cut. State lawmakers don't even decide how most of each state's tax revenues are spent. The federal government dictates to them so strongly. It is your dream that the 50 states should be sovereign. Abraham Lincoln sent 80,000 armed soldiers into Virginia for the purpose of killing Virginians because the Virginians thought that their state's government was sovereign. Banks have usurped sovereignty from our federal government. and the states are totally dictated to. But the big banks dictate to our federal government. This is our reality.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
the government gives many privileges to corporations. The law is arranged to make it much easier for corporations to raise up financing than individuals. The law is arranged to cause the tax rate on corporations to be much lower than for individuals. Government favors corporations strongly over people. When you advocate that corporations be taxed not at all or very lightly, then you are advocating that a privileged institution be given yet more privileges. and you also advocate financial ruin for the government. When you just drop your revenue sources and don't try to bring in money, then you're creating debts in an irresponsible manner. The people that own shares in corporations are taxed at a special low rate that is lower even than what low income people pay on their labor's tax rate. and before the profits are disbursed to shareholders the tax rate on corporate income is extremely low also. After 2000 and before 2006 it was decided that investors get that special low tax rate of 15%, much lower than the tax rate on everybody else, even on low income people who pay 15.8% just on the payroll tax. And also after 2000 and before 2006 taxes on corporations were cut dramatically. None of these tax cuts caused jobs to be created. they only caused revenue problems. It was irresponsible to cause these revenue problems.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
way back over 100 years ago there was such a court ruling. What I've tried to explain to you is that corporations are given privileges above individuals. people complain about double-taxation where the corporations have to pay a tax on their income and then the shareholders also pay a tax on the income after they receive the corporation's after tax profits. But both the individual shareholders and the corporations had their tax rates cut to an extremely low level well under what individuals have to pay. Economic activity should be taxed if government needs the revenue. We shouldn't let government incur huge expenses due to its debt service costs. If you don't want to tax corporations, then we should not give corporations the privileges that empower them. Since we do give them privileges we are fools not to want to tax their activities.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
It's bad, but it's not sustainable. We're seeing the cracks in the foundation widen because of shit like this.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or You have it backwards. The solution is not to bring them down to our level of servitude, but rather, to eliminate the barriers that government puts up to prevent us from engaging ourselves fully in the economy. Your economic life is not a conditional privilege to be doled out to you by Massa Government. Eliminate government control over "who gets better financing" and other such claptrap, and then corporations simply exist as they used to, as simple companies. There's no need to dig the hole of control deeper.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Sure, it takes a whole lot of skill to work in the State House, doing little to nothing, filing grievances about how "my rights be violated cuz I didn't gets me my hourly fifteen minute break" and such. Yeah, all of those unskilled types in the private sector that don't know how to file grievances. Folks like aerospace engineers, architects, computer programmers, medical consultants. You know, the dumb people.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Why? Is he incompetent? That's actually true. Thank you Obama for launching salvo after salvo at the medical profession in attempts to destroy it.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
When you lower a government worker's salary, the money is not "taken from the economy". The money is taken from the economy to PAY the worker's salary. Reducing a government's salary thus, puts the money BACK in the private sector from when it was stolen.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
People who own corporations have every right to freedom of speech as anybody else. And if they own the corporation, they have every right to use the money from their enterprise to finance their speech. That's a basic tenant of property rights.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
You're stupid and shouldn't have fingers to type with.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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#21. To: X-15 (#19)
#22. To: X-15 (#19)
#23. To: Cynicom (#17)
#24. To: Cynicom (#18)
#25. To: Eric Stratton (#20)
That's correct, and it will stay "declined."
#26. To: Eric Stratton (#24)
BTW, I know more government workers than you know people.
#27. To: Eric Stratton (#21)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#28. To: Eric Stratton, christine, Lod, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, PSUSA, scrapper2, James Deffenbach, abraxas, All (#22)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#29. To: Cynicom (#18)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years.
#31. To: X-15, all (#28)
#32. To: Esso (#29)
CAA? Criminy, did you hang out with the Wright brothers?
#33. To: Cynicom (#25)
#34. To: X-15 (#27)
#35. To: X-15 (#28)
#36. To: Eric Stratton (#33)
Otherwise I think that you're very out of touch with current events as it relates here. This ain't 1950.
#37. To: Cynicom, All (#36)
#38. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
end of this bullshit ---
#39. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
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Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years.
#40. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
#41. To: Cynicom, Eric Stratton (#38)
intelligent but lacking in wisdom
I ran out of smart sounding quotes
#42. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
Sen. Ted Kaufman, D-Del., says a pay freeze would unfairly scapegoat federal workers without addressing real budget problems.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#43. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
Federal workers earning double their private counterparts
#44. To: Red Jones (#4)
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#45. To: Red Jones (#4)
It is a sovereignty battle. Who is sovereign? The government or the bankers?
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#46. To: Red Jones, Eric Stratton, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#11)
concerning revenue - we should be very concerned that revenue from the corporate income tax has declined dramatically. From 1960 to 2000 the government got each year 10%-12% of all its revenue from corporate income tax. And by 2005 it was down to around 5% despite that corporate income increased dramatically from 2000 to 2005. Government just plain stopped collecting revenue from this source. this causes debt. we are truly stupid if we think that is good.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#47. To: Cynicom, Esso (#32)
No, but I knew a man that his pilots license was signed by Wilbur Wright.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#48. To: farmfriend (#44)
we need to do away with the Fed and fiat money.
#49. To: farmfriend (#45)
It is a sovereignty battle. Who is sovereign? The government or the bankers?
#50. To: farmfriend (#46)
Corporations are not people.
#51. To: farmfriend (#46)
wasn't there a court ruling that made corporations like people?
#52. To: X-15 (#28)
Read it and weep.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#53. To: Red Jones (#50)
#54. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs
and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years.
#55. To: Red Jones (#14)
I know one thing. My brother is an air force doctor with almost 35 years in. He won't retire until he must retire. He'll take a big pay cut too when he does retire.
a lot of private sector doctors are finding diminished opportunities compared to the past.
#56. To: Red Jones (#4)
#57. To: farmfriend (#46)
#58. To: farmfriend (#46)
#59. To: Cynicom (#38)
#60. To: wudidiz (#41)
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