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Title: Federal workers earning double their private counterparts
Source: USA Today
URL Source: http://www.usatoday.com/money/econo ... 2010-08-10-1Afedpay10_ST_N.htm
Published: Aug 11, 2010
Author: Dennis Cauchon
Post Date: 2010-08-11 16:37:22 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 794
Comments: 78

At a time when workers' pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees' average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available.

The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000 to $61,998 last year.

Public employee unions say the compensation gap reflects the increasingly high level of skill and education required for most federal jobs and the government contracting out lower-paid jobs to the private sector in recent years.

"The data are not useful for a direct public-private pay comparison," says Colleen Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union.

Chris Edwards, a budget analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute, thinks otherwise. "Can't we now all agree that federal workers are overpaid and do something about it?" he asks.

Last week, President Obama ordered a freeze on bonuses for 2,900 political appointees. For the rest of the 2-million-person federal workforce, Obama asked for a 1.4% across-the-board pay hike in 2011, the smallest in more than a decade. Federal workers also would qualify for seniority pay hikes.

Congressional Republicans want to cancel the across-the-board increase in 2011, which would save $2.2 billion.

"Americans are fed up with public employee pay scales far exceeding that in the private sector," says Rep. Eric Cantor, R-Va., the second-ranking Republican in the House.

Sen. Ted Kaufman, D-Del., says a pay freeze would unfairly scapegoat federal workers without addressing real budget problems.

What the data show:

•Benefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

•Pay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in experience and education.

•Total compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since 2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private workers.

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

it is true. Federal workers are paid very well, much better than the private sector.

There was a time when the difference between public sector & private sector compensation levels was much smaller. I think the private sector has been absorbing downward movement in its compensation levels for decades. But the decline in the private sector paychecks has accelerated dramatically in the last 10 years.

Consider the following. One thing that always set us apart as a nation was that our ordinary people were wealthy compared to the ordinary people of other nations. This is how it was in the late 1600's. Americans in the year 1700 were by far the richest people on earth when you consider the ordinary person's ability to get by. Our poor people were rich compared to europe's middle income people in 1700. In the late 1700's Benjamin Franklin contrasted the french standard of living to the American standard of living and said that the french were by comparison extremely poor.

But a study showed that our poorest 10% are now poorer than the poorest 10% in 22 other nations. Throughout our whole history we were #1 in that statistic. Until just 10 years ago. We're dropping like a rock and our people aren't even aware of how bad the drop is.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-11   17:13:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Red Jones (#1)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-11   17:22:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#3)

The bottom line is that the Governments are a paradise for the unmotivated, unambitious, lazy, etc. They're nothing but jobs programs in an arena equivalent to business world fantasy land!

Really????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-11   17:39:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#5)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-11   19:14:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Eric Stratton (#8)

Scientific & Professional (ST) positions range from $119,554 to $179,700.

That is current and applies to DOCTORS, LAWYERS, PILOTS AND MOST ENGINEERS.

IN private practice the current MD as a GP earns $166,400.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-11   19:36:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#12)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-11   19:46:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#16)

You have declined to tell us what government organization you worked for.

Mine was the CAA, before your time.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-11   19:50:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#18)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-11   19:54:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#20)

That's correct, and it will stay "declined."

Perhaps the problem is that yours was before my time, a more current time.

I see.

I was never ashamed of what I did for a living, government or otherwise.

Painting government service with a broad brush is very easy to do, especially when it is all bad, that brings out anger from people that have never been there and are easily led.

On a current and local basis, I expect prompt service from my local police and fire people, 24/7. Just perhaps that translates to most jobs in state and federal service?

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-11   20:01:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Cynicom (#25)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-11   22:07:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Eric Stratton (#33)

Otherwise I think that you're very out of touch with current events as it relates here. This ain't 1950.

Your personal opinion, however I would be willing to have you prove your point or view on most any current subject?

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-11   22:12:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Cynicom, All (#36)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-11   22:17:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Eric Stratton (#37)

end of this bullshit ---

Usually I refrain from personal posts, however, in your case I will relent.

Since coming here you have shown us two things, your mental age and your lack of ability to debate or even discuss any subject in depth.

Otherwise, I find you interesting, intelligent but lacking in wisdom.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-11   22:24:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Cynicom, Eric Stratton (#38)

intelligent but lacking in wisdom

Seems to be a lot of that going around....

;-)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-12   1:04:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: wudidiz (#41)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-12   9:35:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Eric Stratton (#60)

Eric...

Here is title of original post...

" Federal workers earning double their private counterparts"

I posted the Labor Dept. max and min for professional people. I also posted the average salary of a GP as an example. Perhaps you care to show us how it is possible for a doctor working for the government to be making $300k when the max is well below $200K?????

My math says it does not compute but am willing to check your math???/

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-12   10:09:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#61)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-12   10:28:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Eric Stratton (#63)

(If you need math help, please let me know. I have degrees and credentials in quantitative disciplines)

I cannot believe you wrote that.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-12   10:37:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Cynicom (#68)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-12   10:44:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Eric Stratton (#70)

I can believe that you can't believe that I wrote that based on your statements however. Logic obviously also isn't your forte`.

Did you get a whiff of my intent as it went over your head????

Math had nothing to do with it. It was a kind reference that I expected better civility from you in open society, and you missed the entire message.

Read it one more time, it was a COMPLIMENT. I am a failure at social intercourse.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-12   10:50:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Cynicom (#71)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-08-12   13:17:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Eric Stratton (#72)

Whatever.

I am patient.

Patient people are willing to wait for examples that fit the crime, ie, just one job where the government pays twice as much, just one will suffice.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-12   13:22:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Cynicom, Eric Stratton (#73)

just one job where the government pays twice as much, just one will suffice.

I don't know about twice as much, but here are 23 doctors making much more than the pay scale you quoted

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/3782-federal-employee-salary-bonuses-top-400-million-in-2009

Of course the highest paid federal employee is Barack Obama with an average salary of $400,000. While President Obama is the highest paid of all the federal officials, the doctors at the Veterans Administration come very close to that figure, with 23 of them earning about $350,000 a year in regular salary. Given that plump figure, it isn't surprising that only one of them received a bonus check and that was in the amount of $650.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-08-12   13:32:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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