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Title: Satan's Money
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Published: Aug 11, 2010
Author: Pastor Eli James
Post Date: 2010-08-11 19:31:03 by Itistoolate
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Views: 567
Comments: 29

Unless you understand this you will not know why things are happening in the world today.

SATAN"S Money Part 1

SATAN"S Money Part 2

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#1. To: Itistoolate (#0)

god - satan - same enemy playing different roles herding the sheeple afore them

Amandil  posted on  2010-08-11   19:48:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cathar?

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-12   11:26:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cathar?

I don't claim membership in any group though I do seem to resonate with the basic tenant of the old Gnostics, before the christians came along and demonized the term, just like they demonized every other concept and entity that offered humanity knowledge of something other than that monster they worship who taught them to practice genocide so well ~

Amandil  posted on  2010-08-12   19:07:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Actually, the Cathar were Christian Gnostics. They were persecuted and wiped out by the Catholic church, fully, by the 1300's. If you've not studied them, they're a fascinating group of people and seemed to me to be pretty damned pious, unassuming, peaceful and salt of the earth.

It wasn't "Christianity" that wiped them out, they were Christians, it was the Roman Catholic church of the time that did so. There were some other rather gnostic-ish sects of Christianity at the time as I understand it. The entire religion of Christianity is not to blame here.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-13   9:57:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

~ thank you for the tip, I will follow up on that, some of my root beiefs seem hard wired in and it is interesting to learn they were common place at one time, I sure as hell wasn't taught them by the society I was born into ...

and thanks also for the respectful response to my obvious 'tude' of late ~ I've been bit in the ass real hard last dozen years by several 'christians' about a 1/2 dozen joos and a but load of 'lightworkers' ~ now days I just get p*** off when I think about organized religions and the damage them people can do...

best bumper sticker in this case perhaps "Dear Jesus, please protect me from your followers'

~ peace2U

Amandil  posted on  2010-08-13   22:14:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No worries, people can be pretty frustrating, without a doubt. Most Christians, aren't actually Christian. It's hard to take what passes for religion as actual spirituality these days, for me anyway, sounds like you've run into a similar problem. Most "christians" today would consider actual "just after Christ died" Christians to be anarchists and enemies.

The gnostics were/are interesting to me, always have been. I'm particularly sympathetic to the Cathar (hence the reference) and feel that the notions they entertained have been given nothing approaching their due.

'tudes, well, hey, we all have bad days, ya' know? :)

Cheers!

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-14   1:40:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm particularly sympathetic to the Cathar (hence the reference) and feel that the notions they entertained have been given nothing approaching their due.

They were on a depopulation mission to extinct God's creation of the human race as if it were a mistake, as I recall. What's to admire?

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-14   3:24:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They took the message of not being beholden to material earth, to heart. Most Christians just after Christ were fully disconnected from "the empire" and not wont to set up their own kingdom, wanting instead to experience that after life.

The material world meant nothing. We're not supposed to care that much about the trappings of life, earth, except to give charity. Where are we now, one wonders?

The Cathars had sex, btw. It was only the prefects (don't recall the latin) that eschewed all earthly bonds, the "believers/followers" had kids and homes.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-14   3:27:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The material world meant nothing. We're not supposed to care that much about the trappings of life, earth, except to give charity. Where are we now, one wonders?

We're still on the planet God created for us and not extinct, no thanks to them.

The Cathars had sex, btw. It was only the prefects (don't recall the latin) that eschewed all earthly bonds, the "believers/followers" had kids and homes.

Yes, some had children or there wouldn't have been any Cathars except by conversion but where did you read that only the prefects eschewed all earthly bonds? Sounds like an overly romanticized source to me.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-14   4:01:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but where did you read that only the prefects eschewed all earthly bonds? Sounds like an overly romanticized source to me.

Prefects were only 1% of the population of them. If 99% are screwing to the hilt, it's not rocket science to see why they lasted for centuries. Think of prefects as "perfect emulations" or, if you will, "saints". They don't happen often.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-16   1:18:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are the first source I've read that claims there was only a minute percentage of Cathars in a priestly class who were committed to the birth control/depopulation agenda. Do you have any references I can check, SOL?

Btw, these Cathars are linked often to Templars and hints of vengeance in the works. As this topic is about "Satan's Money", let's refer to Chapter 19, page 134 of the Templarish book "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco here: books.google.com/

He makes a miscalculation there -- maybe intentional, maybe not -- by adding 666 to the date 1344 and gives the sum as the year 2000 but it is actually 2010.

A bit of news that went under the radar earlier this year is that the Foucault's Pendulum display at a Paris museum fell down and is in disrepair. Coincidence? Maybe not.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-20   15:28:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are the first source I've read that claims there was only a minute percentage of Cathars in a priestly class who were committed to the birth control/depopulation agenda. Do you have any references I can check, SOL?

Wikipedia pops up as the first source:

Cathar society was divided into two general categories, the Perfecti (Perfects, Parfaits) and the Credentes (Believers). The Perfecti formed the core of the movement, though the actual number of Perfecti in Cathar society was always relatively small, numbering perhaps a few thousand at any one time...

Then:

While the Perfecti pledged themselves to ascetic lives of simplicity, frugality and purity, Cathar credentes (believers) were not expected to adopt the same stringent lifestyle. They were, however, expected to refrain from eating meat and dairy products, from killing and from swearing oaths. Catharism was above all a populist religion and the numbers of those who considered themselves "believers" in the late 12th century included a sizeable portion of the population of Languedoc, counting among them many noble families and courts. These individuals often drank, ate meat, and led relatively normal lives within medieval society—in contrast to the Perfecti, whom they honoured as exemplars. Though unable to embrace the life of chastity, the credentes looked toward an eventual time when this would be their calling and path.

Next, http://www.cathar.info/1201_beliefs.htm

Like the earliest Christians, the Cathars recognised no priesthood. They did however distinguish between ordinary believers (Credentes) and a smaller, inner circle of leaders initiated in secret knowledge, known at the time as boni homines, Bonneshommes or "Goodmen" , now generally refered to as the Elect or as Parfaits...

Then, same site different page(http://www.cathar.info/120101_beliefs.htm):

Of themselves they say: "We are the poor of Christ, who have no fixed abode and flee from city to city like sheep amidst wolves, are persecuted as were the apostles and the martyrs, despite the fact that we lead a most strict and holy life, persevering day and night in fasts and abstinence, in prayers, and in labour from which we seek only the necessities of life. We undergo this because we are not of this world.

Same site, different page (http://www.cathar.info/120102_implications.htm)

(1) Procreative sex was bad, since conception would result in another soul being trapped. For this reason, normal sex between man and wife was as bad as any other procreative sex. Marriage was worthless, while contraception was regarded with approval

This was from a casual one shot search, first page of results from Google. They were gnostics, and as I understand it (I don't practice it, btw, it's not my cup of tea), anything that binds you to the earth was bad. Reincarnation was believed in, so if you screwed, you probably were helping the circle of reincarnation. And, again, it was really only the Parfaits/prefects who actually didn't have sex, the regular Joe Sixpack of the movement screwed with impunity and had kids, ergo, the continuation of the movement. Additionally, it was an evangelical type movement, it wasn't some form of "you're born into it" thing, if you didn't have kids, you could convert your neighbors, same effects of continuation of the religion continue.

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just telling you what I vaguely recall learning about the Cathars (and some bits of what I know about Gnostics). Knowing something, does not mean one believes in it, it just means you have knowledge of what you've learned.

Cheers.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-21   23:28:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#18. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)

I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just telling you what I vaguely recall learning about the Cathars (and some bits of what I know about Gnostics). Knowing something, does not mean one believes in it, it just means you have knowledge of what you've learned.

Cheers.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Cathari

The Catharist system was a simultaneous attack on the Catholic Church and the then existing State. [my note: rather like the Anarchists of their time] The Church was directly assailed in its doctrine and hierarchy. The denial of the value of oaths, and the suppression, at least in theory, of the right to punish, undermined the basis of the Christian State. But the worst danger was that the triumph of the heretical principles meant the extinction of the human race. This annihilation was the direct consequence of the Catharist doctrine, that all intercourse between the sexes ought to be avoided and that suicide or the Endura, under certain circumstances, is not only lawful but commendable. The assertion of some writers, like Charles Molinier, that Catholic and Catharist teaching respecting marriage are identical, is an erroneous interpretation of Catholic doctrine and practice. Among Catholics, the priest is forbidden to marry, but the faithful can merit eternal happiness in the married state. For the Cathari, no salvation was possible without previous renunciation of marriage.

________

I've heard they were pro-Abortion as a birth control method so, while they reportedly strived to be strict ascetics, I wouldn't equate that with "holy". They were aka Popelicans, mentioned as being in cahoots with Templarish vengeance-obsessed plotters in Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco cited in my previous post. Thank you for sharing so much of your research. Sounds like they could also be called Marrano's, more on the Judaic side than Christian -- practicing Kosher dietary rules, in addition to the Kol Nidre-type devaluing of oaths mentioned at my encyclopedia source. I agree with your quoted closing statement and Cheers to you too but I have to say that I still think you're somewhat bedazzled by their overly romanticizing chroniclers.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-25 23:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Somehow, I don't want to hook-up with anyone called the Parfaits.

Not that their theology is so wrong, but their moniker is just too sissy.

Lod  posted on  2011-03-25 18:39:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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