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Title: Report: 1 in 15 kids in U.S. has illegal immigrant parent
Source: East Valley Tribune
URL Source: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ar ... 84-11df-9c10-001cc4c002e0.html
Published: Aug 11, 2010
Author: Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services
Post Date: 2010-08-11 21:07:27 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 1839
Comments: 119

Report: 1 in 15 kids in U.S. has illegal immigrant parent

Posted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:52 pm | Updated: 5:47 pm, Wed Aug 11, 2010.

Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services | 2 comments

About one out of every 15 children in the United States was born to a family where at least one parent is in this country illegally, according to a new report Wednesday.

And four out of five of those 5.1 million children -- including 340,000 born in just 2008 -- are citizens because they were born in the United States, the Pew Hispanic Center concluded. That, according to some, makes them ``anchor babies'' for their illegal parents.

The figures, which the organization calculated based on 2009 U.S. Census Bureau estimates, are the best estimates to date of the scope of the issue which has resulted in calls to amend the U.S. Constitution to deny automatic citizenship to children solely by virtue of their birth within this country.

That percentage of children of illegal immigrant may be increasing.

The overall figure is about 6.8 percent of all children 17 and younger who have at least one illegal immigrant parent. But Pew Hispanic figures that 7.9 percent of all births during 2008 -- that 340,000 figure -- were offspring of "unauthorized'' immigrants.

Researchers peg the number of illegal immigrants in the United States at something slightly in excess of 4 percent of the total population.

"But because they are relatively young and have high birth rates, their children make up a much larger share of the newborn population and the child population in this country,'' the report states.

The report does not say how many of those 5.1 million children of illegal immigrants are in Arizona.

But Jeff Passel, the senior demographer at Pew Hispanic Center, pointed to an earlier study which concluded that Arizona has about 4.2 percent of the total illegal immigrants in the entire country.

Using that as a rough estimate, that translates to more than 214,000 children from birth through age 17 in the state where at least one parent is not here legally. And, based on the Pew figures nationwide, about 170,000 of these would be considered "anchor babies'' born in this country.

That also tracks with estimates in previous Pew reports which show that up to 110,000 children in Arizona public schools were born in this country into families where one or both parents are undocumented, with possibly 65,000 more school children who are themselves illegal immigrants.

The numbers will figure in the debate over the future of the 14th Amendment.

It states that children born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of both this country and the state where they reside. Courts have interpreted that to entitle citizenship to those born in the United States regardless of whether one or both parents had no legal right to be here.

Some foes, including Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, argue those rulings are flawed.

He noted that the amendment makes its provisions conditional on the children being "subject to the jurisdiction'' of this country. Pearce said courts, citing that language, concluded for years that did not entitle Native Americans to citizenship.

"There's no doubt where they were born,'' he said.

It was only after Congress specifically altered the law regarding citizenship for Indians that the situation changed.

Pearce is weighing whether to have Arizona bring a new challenge to those court rulings.

That would take the form of a state law denying birth certificates to children born in Arizona unless they could show at least one parent is in this country legally. That likely would provoke a lawsuit.

But Pearce said a simpler course would be to have the issue handled at the federal level.

U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., is pushing to amend the Constitution to spell out that mere birth within U.S. borders does not entitle someone to citizenship. That process, though, is cumbersome, requiring either a constitutional convention or ratification of any change approved by two-thirds of the U.S. House and Senate by three-fourths of all state legislatures.

Pearce, however, said that's not necessary.

"Congress could fix it tomorrow,'' he said. "All it needs is clarification.''

He pointed out that the 14th Amendment, which also deals with issues of voting rights and who can hold office, also spells out that Congress "shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.''

"So they put it in there in case there was some abuse, or something misunderstood,'' Pearce said.

Applicable language of 14th Amendment

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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#6. To: Red Jones (#0)

1 in 15 kids in U.S. has illegal immigrant parent

Rojo

Why are you bitching, these are your "good neighbors"?

Enjoy your political choices, you voted for Obama, this is what you wanted.

Flintlock  posted on  2010-08-12   0:21:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Flintlock (#6)

bitching

Bitching means complaining. I wasn't complaining. I only posted an article.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   0:28:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones (#8)

I wasn't complaining

Rojo

That's the point, you love these wetback invaders, don't you?

Flintlock  posted on  2010-08-12   0:45:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Flintlock (#10)

they're just ordinary people to me.

People under-estimate that you can't send them all home. Consider the ethnic mexicans who were born in our country, the ones whose families may go back generations. I know a mexican guy who is 78 years old and fought in the korean war. These ethnic mexicans who were born here will not tolerate seeing the illegals sent home. These ethnic mexicans don't want new illegals coming. but they will not allow the illegal mexicans to be sent back. it tears our country apart too much to send them back.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   0:53:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Red Jones (#12)

These ethnic mexicans who were born here will not tolerate seeing the illegals sent home.

That's why a number of them became Minutemen. Its why Cesar Chavez, the original Minuteman, sent his union thugs to the border with baseball bats.

Its why Cesar Chavez worked with INS to deport illegals. Its why a HUGE number of ethnic Mexicans are border patrol agents. Like Compean and Ramos if you remember them. I don't think 'Ramos' is a German or Slavic name, but I could be wrong.

They do all that because all ethnic Mexicans think alike and they don't want them sent home.

mirage  posted on  2010-08-12   4:52:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: mirage (#15)

if you really want to say and think stupid things because of your politics, then that's your choice. the passion that many Americans have against illegal immigrants among us is extremely divisive.

the ethnic mexicans who are in reality mexican-american and US citizens of which I speak do tend to agree with me that they do not want new illegals coming here. They also agree with me that they do not want guest workers. It is the whites who want guest workers and vote for politicians who will bring them. But when it comes to kicking out somebody who has been here for 15 years, holds a responsible job and has children here, then the ethnic mexicans are strongly opposed to kicking people like that out.

they recognize anti-mexican passion when they see it. and you are a fool not to be more aware of this.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   7:05:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Red Jones (#18) (Edited)

Red - switch to decaf and take a history class or three. You may just learn something.

Cesar Chavez DID send goons to the border WITH baseball bats and they DID beat the snot out of border crossers.

Just because you choose not to believe it or someone else chooses not to believe it does not make it false. It just means you or they or both are ignorant.

As for letting them stay, I'm all for it. Pay the $250,000 Selective Service fine and I'm happy.

What, you didn't know that is existing law? Check it out.

mirage  posted on  2010-08-12   8:23:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: mirage (#20)

Mirage - you're a nutcase. You've argued that mexican-americans want to see illegal immigrants sent back to their home countries and you've argued that Cesar Chavez felt this way. Mexican americans and Cesar Chavez are exactly like me. They want to see new illegals stopped from coming. They don't want to see people who've lived here and been a part of the community persecuted by deporting them. I live in arizona. I remember the big immigration protest a few years ago. Banners with the name Cesar Chavez were raised up by those people. and those people were protesting in favor of the existing illegal immigrants. You're a nutcase.

so cesar chavez opposed the flow of new people here? what else is new? That is very different from bashing the existing people who live here. If the psycho-nuts in our country can't accept the existing illegals out of their own racism and hatred, then we can't hope to achieve any sort of a solution to stop the new flows of people off. Gaining the consensus among us to stop new illegals and/or new guest workers from coming is easy. The mexican-americans are happy to go along with that. But if the deal includes kicking out all the existing illegals, then we'll never have a consensus.

You don't know anything about cesar chavez. you are an idiot. and I mean that very sincerely. why do people without brains participate in our national discussion? why are you so alienated from and ignorant of our realities that we live with in the southwest? Yet you insist on commenting.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   8:57:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Red Jones (#21) (Edited)

Calling people "idiot" and "stupid" to try and bolster your point doesn't speak well of your debating skills.

You seem, from what I can tell, to be an almost full fledged progressive. Outside of wanting to get rid of the Federal Reserve and trim back the military budget, I can't find a single real point of agreement between you and most anybody here. And now the name calling starts, notably the infamous liberal/progressive fallback of "you're stupid, you're an idiot, you're a racist".

Hmmmmmm.....

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-12   9:07:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SonOfLiberty (#22)

Calling people "idiot" and "stupid" to try and bolster your point doesn't speak well of your debating skills.

I'm not really trying to score debate points. I'm just telling it like it is and I'd prefer to live in the world of reality. Cesar Chavez is dead. but his image is used by the pro-illegal immigration forces. mirage says that cesar chavez would want to deport the illegals if he was here. This is 100% false, he would be on their side.

That is kind of like saying that George Washington was really a loyalist in our revolution because he fought in the french & indian war.

I'd really prefer to live in reality than to coddle mirage's delusions. I think it is important to confront people's delusions and mental illnesses when it comes to their political discussions. Cesar Chavez would deport the illegals who've been here for 20 years and have families here. Sure he would. the man's an idiot.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   9:20:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Red Jones (#23) (Edited)

It has nothing to do with scoring points. It has to do with a lack of effective debating techniques. Falling back on "you're stupid, you're an idiot, you're a racist" (and now, what, mental illness? That's a classic Soviet debate tactic, did you know that?) is base ad hominem and invalidates your points, if you have any, immediately through association. Those very words are almost always used by the far left in "debates" concerning illegal immigration and how to deal with it, and it shows a general tone deafness to any viewpoint but their own.

It's fine to try to express viewpoints about Chavez or disagree with somebody's take on him. Opinions differ, especially in regards to union labor activists, but that opinions differ doesn't make somebody stupid, or an idiot, or especially a racist. Those cards are played out now, especially here and on most other non-left forums. They simply do not work, and further, they indicate to the person that you're debating that you're out of facts and short on reason in the debate.

Do as you will, I'm trying to help you retain credibility, but you can choose any path of course.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-12   9:26:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SonOfLiberty (#24)

up is down. down is up. 2+2=5.

are there any other statements you wish me to make in order to respect somebody's sensibilities?

insanity is insanity. when people say incredibly ridiculous things like that Cesar Chavez would kick out the illegals, then we should challenge them for this and tell them how stupid (and crazy) it is.

Cesar Chavez was a person. But today his symbol is very important to the mexican-american population and to the illegals who came here which is a significant component of the mexican community here. They stick together out of ethnic identification. you cannot divide them is what I've tried to explain to you. It is like I said, George Washington was not loyal to the English king during the Revolution. Saying that Washington was loyal to the english king during that war is exactly the same as saying that Cesar Chavez would kick out the existing illegals in our country.

We have a Cesar Chavez high school and a Cesar Chavez park near where I live. Saying what mirage said about Cesar Chavez is like saying that Martin Luther King opposed civil rights in the 1960's. the man is a nut.

You say that I should politely ignore mirage's insanity on an important issue because mirage lives apparently in new york city and is oblivious to our realities in the southwest. it is the same as saying that 2+2=5.

just because cesar chavez opposed new illegals coming here does not mean that he would kick the existing illegals out. we've known for decades that the mexican-americans are more likely than white americans to want to stop new illegals from coming here. But the illegals that come are mostly mexican. and they are attacked for being mexicans. the existing mexican-americans naturally rally around them to defend them. Cesar Chavez was like that. He was a mexican-american himself. I've tried to explain that you are not going to stop the flow of new illegals and/or new guest workers unless you respect the existing illegals who have come here and earned a place in our society through their daily work. If you insist on disrespecting these people out of hatred caused by whatever source, then you are causing our country to have to put up with new people coming - forever.

next, mirage will say that Cesar Chavez really favored guest workers. Republicans favor guest workers. Cesar Chavez did not. Republicans will not allow a solution to our immigration mess unless that solution includes guest workers.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   9:47:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Red Jones (#26)

Saying that Washington was loyal to the english king during that war is exactly the same as saying that Cesar Chavez would kick out the existing illegals in our country.

Who gives a rat's ass what he would, or wouldn't, do? The fact is that the ILLEGALS are in America ILLEGALLY--is there some part of that that you just can't comprehend? They need to go get in the back of the line, behind the people who have been trying to come into the country legally and have been waiting in some cases for years. The illegals and their supporters can whine and bitch all they want to but they need to go to the back of the line. And if they won't do that I have no sympathy or respect for them and I certainly have none for their supporters.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-12   18:13:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: James Deffenbach (#53)

Who gives a rat's ass what he would, or wouldn't, do? The fact is that the ILLEGALS are in America ILLEGALLY--is there some part of that that you just can't comprehend?

I got side-tracked on a discussion with an illusion who calls himself mirage.

they're here illegally, I respect your point. but I don't respect the law. because the law was modified to let them come here. it was always illegal for them to come, always illegal for the employer to hire them, but no penalty to the employer, the law was purposely made to avoid a penalty to the employer. and as you know, there's generally been no penalty to the 'illegal' either. the resulting situation was that 25 million people came and put down roots here. those roots are so deep in our community in that these people hold jobs, pay bills and have children who think that they are Americans that it would be negative for our community to kick them out.

I think we've explored our differences on this issue adequately. I sincerely hope that somebody might see my point of view as I have tried hard to deliver it.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   18:33:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Red Jones (#59)

I think we've explored our differences on this issue adequately. I sincerely hope that somebody might see my point of view as I have tried hard to deliver it.

I doubt you will find many people who post on this board who are sympathetic to the illegals no matter what sob story they tell. Certainly folks who post on boards more in tune with thinking America OWES something to the illegals might think that it would be wrong to deport them. But so long as Americans have to jump through all kinds of hoops to enter other countries, and especially to be allowed to stay, and when Americans dare not try to influence their government or elections under penalty of time in a foreign hell hole jail, I doubt you will find all that many Americans sympathetic to the illegals and clamoring to allow them to stay.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-12   18:43:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: James Deffenbach (#61)

America OWES something

I do appreciate you politely and sincerely explaining these things to me.

regarding this 'america owes something' idea and the illegals. I will disagree with you on that idea on philosophical grounds. The governments of our states and our national government do owe the existing illegal immigrants something. they have been in our communities and working jobs and existing as people here. you and I don't owe them anything special. but government owes them respect for the fact that they live here, this is their home, government should serve the people who live here.

that is powerful dissent that I offer. but I believe that. Government should serve the people who live here. Our government has played an agenda of letting them come to drive wages down, to keep employers happy, to divide us up, to do away with the middle-class. All of those agendas are illegitimate. but instead, the agenda of government should be to serve the people who live here.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   19:04:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Red Jones (#69)

The governments of our states and our national government do owe the existing illegal immigrants something. they have been in our communities and working jobs and existing as people here. you and I don't owe them anything special. but government owes them respect for the fact that they live here,...

The government owes the illegal aliens "respect" for invading America? That's a good one. Which comedian do you write for or do you have a stand up routine of your own?

They (the illegal aliens) "have been in our communities" [uninvited] "and working jobs" [while actual Americans are unemployed] and "existing as people here" [what, they "existed as frogs" in Mexico?]. And I already knew that I didn't owe them anything but neither does the government. The government owes it to Americans to stop the invasion and deport the people who are in America illegally. The space they are taking up could be filled by people who applied for citizenship and who have been waiting a long time for it. People who never thought they had a right to jump the line ahead of everyone else like your illegal alien Mexicans think.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-08-12   19:13:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: James Deffenbach (#71)

The government owes the illegal aliens "respect" for invading America? That's a good one

I knew you'd be offended that I said our governments owed the illegal immigrants 'respect' if they've lived here and put down roots. I didn't want to offend you.

If they have an emergency situation they should be able to call '911' and be treated like citizens. Their children should be welcomed in the schools. Their children are in the schools, but sometimes they have a hard time getting them enrolled in the schools because of their illegal status. Well, we let them come, we have an obligation to at least respect their presence. They can be our friends at this point or our enemies. We don't want them to be our enemies because they are becoming the majority in many places. Since they've lived here and worked here things have changed, we owe them respect as people who live here. They're part of our community now.

I realize we disagree on this point, I apologize, but thats how I feel.

an irony is that if we 'solve' this problem per my recommendation, then I would get every single illegal immigrant sat down with a government agent in a room and tell them flat to their face that they have a choice. either they can sign a paper agreeing to become a US citizen within 'x' years and do all the things they must to become a US citizen, such as speak english, and renounce their other citizenship, or else they can go home - immediately. I'd give them that choice. They'd almost all become US citizens is what they would do. Its not in our interest to make them hate us.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-13   18:01:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Red Jones (#79)

I would get every single illegal immigrant sat down with a government agent in a room and tell them flat to their face that they have a choice. either they can sign a paper agreeing to become a US citizen within 'x' years and do all the things they must to become a US citizen, such as speak english, and renounce their other citizenship, or else they can go home - immediately.

Fact is, red, that we tried this once under Reagan.

It was the signal, not for a just for a flood of legalized residents, but for the deluge of illegals that we currently suffer from, and it came with the attendant cover that it provided for gangs, cartels, and all the just plain dangerous riff-raff that slid in with it.

You'll get no purchase with that kind of argument here, that's for sure, and not in the nation at large which has come to know the meaning of the aphorism, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, I'm a nickel-plated jackass.

randge  posted on  2010-08-14   15:57:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: randge (#98)

Fact is, red, that we tried this once under Reagan.

if you want to be a stupid idiot, then I have no control over it. the facts are that employers today can hire illegal immigrants with no real penalty from the federal government. so it has never been tried. you are an idiot. and I am sick and tired of my dysfunctional fellow americans taking political views like that, spouting stupidity.

I can say 100 times or 1,000 times that it is still legal to this day for employers to hire all the illegal immigrants they want. and an idiot like you will correct me and tell me that we tried amnesty in 1986. it doesn't work.

in order to get 'it' to work you must combine amnesty with employer sanctions. we have never tried the employer sanctions part of the strategy. you are an idiot not to know this. especially after all the posts I put up telling you this.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-15   11:07:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Red Jones (#99) (Edited)

I can say 100 times or 1,000 times that it is still legal to this day for employers to hire all the illegal immigrants they want.

Please, let's keep our feet on the ground. You know as well as I do that you can be fined up to two grand for each illegal you hire - more if you have previous violations. We have a malfeasant federal government that WILL NOT DO ITS JOB because it seeks to create just the kind of swamp of lawbreaking that we face. The PTB WANT you to break the law, and illegals and many employers are willing to break the law. I'll take "It is still legal to this day," to mean, "It is OK to get away with murder," because murder's what is being committed on the working and tax paying people of this country.

in order to get 'it' to work you must combine amnesty with employer sanctions

I dunno. I think the whole country is in a real foul mood right now and isn't of a mind to combine anything with anything else. Employer sanctions will do fine all by themselves, thank you.

randge  posted on  2010-08-15   11:36:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: randge (#100)

Please, let's keep our feet on the ground. You know as well as I do that you can be fined up to two grand for each illegal you hire

I shouldn't let my frustration cause me to be rude to you.

we were told that we'd use amnesty in combination with employer sanctions to change things. we did amnesty and the amnesty part worked because those people did generally become citizens. but we did not do the employer sanctions part.

I used to work for the largest stucco contractor in america. they would typically have about 7,000 employees. I wrote their software to manage their whole system including payroll and many other things. and so I had opportunity to speak to people running their systems. it was evident to me and to the people working there that a large portion of those 7,000 people were illegal immigrants. Even today I know people who hire illegal immigrants. they're put right into the payroll system. there is no fear of penalty at all.

maybe the law does make it a technical violation to hire an illegal immigrant. but there is no actual penalty levied on the employer in almost all cases. It is very difficult to trigger penalties, the penalties are also very light. many employers ignore the fact that it is illegal because, as I said, there are no real penalties for hiring illegals.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-15   14:21:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Red Jones (#103)

Well, red, the laws are on the books as you must well know.

We want to know: "Why do the fedgov and its agent who are sworn to uphold the law shirk their oaths and responsibilities?"

Under federal law, it is illegal for any employer to hire, recruit or refer for a fee any alien not authorized to work in the United States. There are criminal and civil penalties associated with this conduct.

For first offenders, there is a $250-$2,000 fine per illegal employee.

For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.

For employers who have been convicted of hiring illegal immigrants more than twice, the fine can range from $3000-$10,000 per employee. If the employer demonstrates a pervasive pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants, he or she could face additional fines, and up to six months in jail.

Additionally, under the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) act, employers hiring illegal immigrants have been sued, resulting in large settlements. The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/penalties-for-employers-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html

randge  posted on  2010-08-15   21:41:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: randge (#105)

it is a technical violation of the law for employers to hire illegals. and the law may allow for penalties too. but the law also says that if the employer photo-copies the documents and the documents look real, then the employer is not punished for hiring that person. The law allows employers to conveniently not check to see if a person is legal or not. If the law required employers to check before hiring, and if the government actually reviews employees getting paychecks to see if they're legal or not and then gives out penalties to the employer, then we would have laws that would actually punish employers for hiring illegals. we don't have that now.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-16   13:30:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Red Jones (#106)

it is a technical violation of the law for employers to hire illegals

It is a technical violation for me to flip the IRS off at the end of the quarter.

randge  posted on  2010-08-16   13:52:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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