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Title: Report: 1 in 15 kids in U.S. has illegal immigrant parent
Source: East Valley Tribune
URL Source: http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/ar ... 84-11df-9c10-001cc4c002e0.html
Published: Aug 11, 2010
Author: Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services
Post Date: 2010-08-11 21:07:27 by Red Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 1802
Comments: 119

Report: 1 in 15 kids in U.S. has illegal immigrant parent

Posted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:52 pm | Updated: 5:47 pm, Wed Aug 11, 2010.

Howard Fischer, Capitol Media Services | 2 comments

About one out of every 15 children in the United States was born to a family where at least one parent is in this country illegally, according to a new report Wednesday.

And four out of five of those 5.1 million children -- including 340,000 born in just 2008 -- are citizens because they were born in the United States, the Pew Hispanic Center concluded. That, according to some, makes them ``anchor babies'' for their illegal parents.

The figures, which the organization calculated based on 2009 U.S. Census Bureau estimates, are the best estimates to date of the scope of the issue which has resulted in calls to amend the U.S. Constitution to deny automatic citizenship to children solely by virtue of their birth within this country.

That percentage of children of illegal immigrant may be increasing.

The overall figure is about 6.8 percent of all children 17 and younger who have at least one illegal immigrant parent. But Pew Hispanic figures that 7.9 percent of all births during 2008 -- that 340,000 figure -- were offspring of "unauthorized'' immigrants.

Researchers peg the number of illegal immigrants in the United States at something slightly in excess of 4 percent of the total population.

"But because they are relatively young and have high birth rates, their children make up a much larger share of the newborn population and the child population in this country,'' the report states.

The report does not say how many of those 5.1 million children of illegal immigrants are in Arizona.

But Jeff Passel, the senior demographer at Pew Hispanic Center, pointed to an earlier study which concluded that Arizona has about 4.2 percent of the total illegal immigrants in the entire country.

Using that as a rough estimate, that translates to more than 214,000 children from birth through age 17 in the state where at least one parent is not here legally. And, based on the Pew figures nationwide, about 170,000 of these would be considered "anchor babies'' born in this country.

That also tracks with estimates in previous Pew reports which show that up to 110,000 children in Arizona public schools were born in this country into families where one or both parents are undocumented, with possibly 65,000 more school children who are themselves illegal immigrants.

The numbers will figure in the debate over the future of the 14th Amendment.

It states that children born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of both this country and the state where they reside. Courts have interpreted that to entitle citizenship to those born in the United States regardless of whether one or both parents had no legal right to be here.

Some foes, including Sen. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, argue those rulings are flawed.

He noted that the amendment makes its provisions conditional on the children being "subject to the jurisdiction'' of this country. Pearce said courts, citing that language, concluded for years that did not entitle Native Americans to citizenship.

"There's no doubt where they were born,'' he said.

It was only after Congress specifically altered the law regarding citizenship for Indians that the situation changed.

Pearce is weighing whether to have Arizona bring a new challenge to those court rulings.

That would take the form of a state law denying birth certificates to children born in Arizona unless they could show at least one parent is in this country legally. That likely would provoke a lawsuit.

But Pearce said a simpler course would be to have the issue handled at the federal level.

U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., is pushing to amend the Constitution to spell out that mere birth within U.S. borders does not entitle someone to citizenship. That process, though, is cumbersome, requiring either a constitutional convention or ratification of any change approved by two-thirds of the U.S. House and Senate by three-fourths of all state legislatures.

Pearce, however, said that's not necessary.

"Congress could fix it tomorrow,'' he said. "All it needs is clarification.''

He pointed out that the 14th Amendment, which also deals with issues of voting rights and who can hold office, also spells out that Congress "shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.''

"So they put it in there in case there was some abuse, or something misunderstood,'' Pearce said.

Applicable language of 14th Amendment

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

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#6. To: Red Jones (#0)

1 in 15 kids in U.S. has illegal immigrant parent

Rojo

Why are you bitching, these are your "good neighbors"?

Enjoy your political choices, you voted for Obama, this is what you wanted.

Flintlock  posted on  2010-08-12   0:21:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Flintlock (#6)

bitching

Bitching means complaining. I wasn't complaining. I only posted an article.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   0:28:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Red Jones (#8)

I wasn't complaining

Rojo

That's the point, you love these wetback invaders, don't you?

Flintlock  posted on  2010-08-12   0:45:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Flintlock (#10)

they're just ordinary people to me.

People under-estimate that you can't send them all home. Consider the ethnic mexicans who were born in our country, the ones whose families may go back generations. I know a mexican guy who is 78 years old and fought in the korean war. These ethnic mexicans who were born here will not tolerate seeing the illegals sent home. These ethnic mexicans don't want new illegals coming. but they will not allow the illegal mexicans to be sent back. it tears our country apart too much to send them back.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   0:53:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Red Jones (#12) (Edited)

These ethnic mexicans who were born here will not tolerate seeing the illegals sent home.

They're not dictators here. Watch this 5 min. YouTube video:

Longer version posted below it at 4um topic Immigration Gumballs.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-12   1:28:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GreyLmist (#14)

They're not dictators here.

these ethnic mexicans I speak of that are in reality americans are a significant part of our communities in states like arizona, texas, new mexico & southern cal. In the 1830's when there was a rebellion by California against Mexico it was ethnic mexicans who were doing the rebellion. They founded California. My ancestors first came to arizona in 1856. there were some ethnic mexicans already here at that time.

You don't understand, but you're advocating that we dictate to to them.

What I'm telling you is that the hard-line on illegals where we say 'kick them all out' is extremely divisive and makes any solution to illegal immigrant problem impossible.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   7:01:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Red Jones (#17)

What I'm telling you is that the hard-line on illegals where we say 'kick them all out' is extremely divisive and makes any solution to illegal immigrant problem impossible.

No it doesn't make any solution to the illegal alien migrant problem impossible. That is the solution which should penalize them as well with never being able to apply for citizenship here.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-12   9:51:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GreyLmist (#27)

That is the solution which should penalize them as well with never being able to apply for citizenship here.

that is the kind of a political view that makes a solution impossible. and it enables the republicans who want guest workers.

Some republicans want to turn the existing illegals into guest workers and then bring in more guest workers. Some republicans want to kick the illegals out, bar them from ever coming back and also bring in new guest workers. Some democrats will not tolerate the existing illegals being kicked out. Some democrats will not tolerate guest workers. and so we as a people cannot even bring about a situation where employers are penalized for hiring illegals - even though it is widely stated on all sides that we should stop the flow of new illegals.

a sad pitiful situation. I would rather compromise and let the existing illegals stay and then stop all new illegals as well as not have guest workers. The democrats will go along with that solution. That solution was proposed by Ronald Reagan. It is today's republicans who will not allow that solution.

I am becoming convinced that one of the reasons we can't find a solution is because of intractable opinions motivated by racism. Many Americans are uncomfortable with the idea that all of our workers will be free and able to quit their employers. They want kept people for the employers. They want semi-slaves. It is no different from 300 years ago.

Many people where I live speak a foreign language. I am not happy over this. It did not used to be that way. We are being divided up because of these bigotries. Our laws were arranged to facilitate that they come. We can't change that mistake retro-actively. We can only change it for the future.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   10:04:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Red Jones (#30) (Edited)

This has nothing to do with racism. This is where I could use your charged medical-lingo or other terms like "obtuse" for your incessant refusal to comprehend that fact but won't cuz I'm trying to be civil.

We aren't griping about legal citizens here who are of Mexican/Hispanic origin. That the illegals happen to be largely of that nationality/ethnicity isn't our doing and has about nothing to do with our not wanting millions upon millions more of them suddenly on our citizenship rolls, other than that would put them way over the limit as compared to other applicants.

There was already a deal made years ago to give illegals a path to citizenship. That is what encouraged them to keep coming, far more than the rogue employers you point to, and things only got worse and worse in this country because of it. Been there, done that, bad idea. How have you failed to understand that? How many are not working and are being paid by state subsidies to do nothing constructive while they try to wait around for another mass "amnesty" to make them citizens? How many don't really even want to be citizens because then they'd have to deal with all the red tape and taxation and other rigamarole that we do to find and keep a job?

We don't have to compromise and give them citizenship in order to stop all new illegals and have no guest workers. That's a false argument. You claim Republicans want guest workers. Looks to me and others like Democrats really want more Democrat voters. Tomato, tomahto. Let's call the whole guest worker v. citizenship thing off.

O-U-T, out all ya'all go right now and don't come around here no more! Guest workers, too -- get gone and stay gone!Employers -- expect to be shut down, charged, fined, and jailed for hiring any of them.

Whatdya say we draft a bill that basically says that in legalese and fax it to Congress so they don't have to work so hard to get it to their floors for a vote? If they vote no, we can send it back to them. Election time is coming up. They might even be more in favor of it now than you'd care to imagine.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-12   11:40:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: GreyLmist (#38)

There was already a deal made years ago to give illegals a path to citizenship. That is what encouraged them to keep coming, far more than the rogue employers you point to

The fact that the employers were allowed to hire the illegals with no penalty is what caused them to keep coming. because there was opportunity here expressly for them. and I do object to the term 'rogue employer'. because in the construction industry here in phoenix it is completely normal that illegal immigrants be hired to do the work. and I am going to keep repeating it - there are no real penalties to employers even today for hiring illegals. they do it every day.

every employer knows, if you e-verify then you are trying to screen out illegals. If you do not, then you are hiring illegals.

I know a scottish fellow who is an illegal immigrant. His parents live here, he's 35. he just flew in from canada a few months ago to try to look for a job and a life. He doesn't care if he's illegal or not. Most employers don't either.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-12   12:52:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Red Jones (#41) (Edited)

I do object to the term 'rogue employer'. because in the construction industry here in phoenix it is completely normal that illegal immigrants be hired to do the work.

No it's not "normal". It's wrong no matter how many rogues are doing it.

You keep pushing a "lesser of two evils" pick as if giving citizenship to criminal invaders is the better option than guest workers. I disagree but we don't have to go with the guest worker option either. Both are wrong choices and not required. So, there's your wanted "compromise" -- neither; off the table now and into the shredder. We aren't the UN. This is America for Americans.

You act as if Federal laws not targeting rogue employers hiring illegals is the main problem but did not answer my question about why Arizona hasn't acted to penalize discriminatory businesses there that avoid hiring Americans while consuming its resources. Arizona most certainly could and should do so, not just the Federales. Answer the question, please -- and I think you should also say something about why you think it's America's job to provide Mexicans with jobs and better living conditions, even though so many of our businesses have impoverished this country by moving to Mexico via NAFTA to do that for them and still Mexico feigns being too poor and/or deranged to provide for its own.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-12   22:35:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: GreyLmist (#76)

This is America for Americans.

yes, that is very nice. Perhaps according to standards of justice the creator has provided - America is for the Americans - as you say. Divine providence is ours in our country, I will agree with that. But our lawmakers, our business institutions, our people even, our educators, our religious leaders simply do not have that understanding that 'america is for the americans'.

we have laws in our country that give special tax breaks to foreign-born people when they buy business franchises like hotels or convenience stores. Normally convenience stores and hotels even are franchised and there is a big corporation that sells each facility to a business person and then this business person operates the hotel/convenience store under the corporate rules of the franchise. These deals are financed. If whoever purchases the franchised business can qualify for the tax break, then the financier can provide better financing, meaning a higher sales price. A higher sales price because the expenses of operating calculate out lower over time, calculate lower because of the special tax break on income taxes that foreign born people get in the US. In this manner incentives are built in to make it in the corporation's interest to sell the franchise to a foreign-born person. this is the key reason why so many hotels and convenience stores are owned by foreign born people in the US. this is the reason why so many such institutions favor hiring foreign born people at those locations. they favor hiring their family and friends who happen to be foreign-born. The federal government has a law that favors them.

we have lots of common practices that favor foreign born people in jobs. An economist did a study a few years ago and found that over a period of about 2 years he studied 91% of all new jobs in america went to foreign born people. I witnessed an employer in the construction industry decide not to even try to hire any americans for their work. I heard a part-owner of a trades contractor say that it was a waste of time, in justification of his decision to advertise for job openings in a spanish language radio station and hire 100% foreigners who are likely illegal. this happens every day. and it is OK according to the law.

My point is that america is not for the americans according to how things are done. and anybody who tries to say these things in public is told to shut up and if they persist they're said to be racists. We're a nation that doesn't even know how to stand up for our own national interest.

Don't blame me for that. You asked me very sincerely to comment as to why arizona does not pass a law to punish the employers for this behavior. Please don't hold me responsible for the Arizona republicans. they don't work for me. I could just as easily say that we should boycott people from Illinois or otherwise hate them because Obama came from Illinois. and the Obama government pursues policies of war and torture which are abhorrent, therefore we should persecute Illinois. Is it really a person in Illinois' fault if the washington government does evil things. Its not my fault and not your fault either that the washington government does evil things.

You asked me to say why I thought it was America's job to provide jobs for mexicans. James told me we didn't owe them (Mexicans) anything. I answered him and told him what we owe them is respect. Especially if they live here and fit in as workers and community members. They came. They took the jobs. The employers did favor them.

Even though we were wronged by the institutions that rule our country and we feel a very deep grievance over that, we should still remember that we have an obligation to do the right thing. And we shouldn't want wrong done to these illegal immigrants who do live here. I know that some of you have told me you don't care about their children born here. I respect your feelings. But I'm not going to go tell some 8-year old kid that his life must be turned upside down because his mommy & daddy were on the wrong side of a policy dispute. and I won't say it is a just thing if my government does that. a little kid growing up in our community is a high priority. Our world should be ordered so that the kid has a good place to live. injustice that reigns down on us does not remove this simple obligation that we have.

my christian mindset leads me to the conclusions that it happens to be completely normal in the course of human history that people are treated very badly, and we are under a test given to us by our creator, a test to see how we will perform under these conditions, will we do wrong or will we not do wrong. The world is going to be screwed up. We can't control that. But we can control whether or not we ourselves contribute towards doing bad things.

as I said at the top of this post I do buy the 'divine providence' idea that America is for the Americans, I think the creator made it so. But the creator is letting our country be destroyed. And we can't argue with the creator on that point. But following is what I have to tell you regarding this idea of our country and divine providence.

Our nation is the greatest nation on gods green earth. We Americans tend to believe that very easily and I for one do believe that. Our accomplishments are many and mighty. Economic development that affected the lives of ordinary people on this planet began when our nation came into being. We were the catalyst as well as one of the main engines of economic development world-wide. that is simple history and not my opinion. For 30 consequtive decades from 1700 to 2000 our nation was a great trail-blazer essentially in all of the industries that caused economic development during that time. There were times during that 30 decade run when other nations contributed, but there was never a decade during that stretch when our nation was not the key leading nation in economic development for every important industry. These achievements did not happen without god. It was divine providence that caused these achievements. We should not let pride convince us otherwise.

Because I say god is responsible for our nation's great achievements please don't think that I dis-respect the Americans among whom are my ancestors in their sacrifices and achievements. I am no fool. None of my ancestors came here to america after 1840. I'm descendant from people who were here in the 1600's. I'm descendant from 3 men who fought on our side in the revolution. I'm descendant from 2 men who fought for the north in that war and from 1 who fought for the south. We have a letter at my mother's house from my ancestor describing an indian attack on their home in Ohio in the 1820's. I'm descendant from a man who spent 25 years in the US Army beginning in 1856. That career included not just the civil war, but an awful of Indian fighting in Arizona. I read his letters too that described some of it. I'm as American as any of you and very happy to be so.

But my christian faith tends to convince me that these fantastic achievements that no other nation can begin to match occurred because of divine favor. What god is doing now with our nation is letting it be destroyed. He let those evil people rule our country. We can do nothing about these things.

One day our nation will be attacked militarily and completely destroyed. The whole world will sit back and marvel at our destruction. At that time jesus will return. He will return here to our country. and then he will raise people from the dead. The invading army itself will be defeated with the help of these people raised up from the dead. God will maintain that record throughout our entire history, that we will not be defeated in military action. but at the same time, our destruction will be overwhelming. There will be little left of our nation. Some time after these things occur our nation will be once again restored, and it will be god deciding when and how it will be restored.

Why do I think these things? Because I've read the christian prophecies, and I read George Washington's prophecy too, and I've seen what is going on in this world. That is why. I think god gave us George Washington and used George Washington to speak this prophecy which was given to GW by means of an angel who visited him (George Washington says at least). I think god favors us just that much that he will do that for us.

but we must understand that god does not orchestrate that human history unfold for our purposes, our pleasure, our pride, etc. It is orchestrated for god's purposes. Those purposes are spelled out in the book, if you were to read it. We should be humble and remember these things about our country.

George Washington's prophecy specifically says that jesus will return here to America. I can imagine that he would go to Mount Vernon in Virginia where George Washington is buried. I can imagine that he would go to Arlington Cemetery. I sincerely hope that I am among the men who are tasked to fight against the invaders. What purpose do we have on this earth except to be loyal to that cause given to us by god? God made me an American. I'll be loyal to that cause.

At the same time, god made me with a sense of justice and charity in my heart for downtrodden people. So I don't join in on illegal immigrant bashing. and when you want me to do that I just ask why it is that if the illegals are so bad, then why are employers not given penalties for hiring them?

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-13   17:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Red Jones (#77)

we have lots of common practices that favor foreign born people in jobs. An economist did a study a few years ago and found that over a period of about 2 years he studied 91% of all new jobs in america went to foreign born people. I witnessed an employer in the construction industry decide not to even try to hire any americans for their work. I heard a part- owner of a trades contractor say that it was a waste of time, in justification of his decision to advertise for job openings in a spanish language radio station and hire 100% foreigners who are likely illegal. this happens every day. and it is OK according to the law.

My point is that america is not for the americans according to how things are done. and anybody who tries to say these things in public is told to shut up and if they persist they're said to be racists. We're a nation that doesn't even know how to stand up for our own national interest.

Don't blame me for that.

Everybody here has been trying to stand up for our own national interest and you have been calling that racist. America has been virtually landmined by foreign and domestic enemies of our Constitutional system to be destroyed and some people don't even realize that's what they are doing. Stop working for them and calling for the criminal invaders who have wronged us to be rewarded with "amnesty" for that again. As I said before: Been there, done that, bad idea. I am willing to support your call for businesses to be restricted from hiring illegals and even from employing any guest workers whenever employment of Americans here is below 100%. I don't think anyone here wouldn't support your stand for enforcement against businesses that aid and abet illegal invaders. There is a workable alliance for you on that issue. Stop pushing the envelope for more bad government to favor your illegal compadres. Complaining about bad government favoring foreigners while calling for more bad government to favor foreigners isn't helping the problem of bad government at all.

You asked me very sincerely to comment as to why arizona does not pass a law to punish the employers for this behavior. Please don't hold me responsible for the Arizona republicans. they don't work for me. I could just as easily say that we should boycott people from Illinois or otherwise hate them because Obama came from Illinois. and the Obama government pursues policies of war and torture which are abhorrent, therefore we should persecute Illinois. Is it really a person in Illinois' fault if the washington government does evil things. Its not my fault and not your fault either that the washington government does evil things.

You asked me to say why I thought it was America's job to provide jobs for mexicans. James told me we didn't owe them (Mexicans) anything. I answered him and told him what we owe them is respect. Especially if they live here and fit in as workers and community members. They came. They took the jobs. The employers did favor them.

I asked you to say something about NAFTA too. Please try to do that at your earliest convenience. Which Democrats there have tried to get such a law passed and which Republicans stopped it? How long have Republicans had that much influence there? The Governor before Brewer was a Democrat. "They came. They took the jobs. The employers did favor them." sounds like the equivalent of Israel's MO to "create facts on the ground" in defiance and violation of law and human rights that they believe should stay as they want because they say so. Illegal alien migrants do not have some "human right" to demand America adopt an Open Border policy for them.

Even though we were wronged by the institutions that rule our country and we feel a very deep grievance over that, we should still remember that we have an obligation to do the right thing. And we shouldn't want wrong done to these illegal immigrants who do live here. I know that some of you have told me you don't care about their children born here. I respect your feelings. But I'm not going to go tell some 8-year old kid that his life must be turned upside down because his mommy & daddy were on the wrong side of a policy dispute. and I won't say it is a just thing if my government does that. a little kid growing up in our community is a high priority. Our world should be ordered so that the kid has a good place to live. injustice that reigns down on us does not remove this simple obligation that we have.

Your next to last sentence sounds very close to a globalist pitch for a New World Order agenda. The illegal are not the wronged party, we are, and we are not having a "policy dispute". They are criminal invaders and you are disputing any deportation of them as such. Military families here move often -- out of country too. How many parent illegals within the recruitment age bracket have tried to become citizens by joining our military? When you see them, tell them to call 1-800-USA-ARMY. There's a path to citizenship that's been available to them for years. We have no obligation to give them any path to become Americans but there it is anyway. Not expecting any thanks from them for it, just less bellyaching.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-14   6:55:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: GreyLmist (#95)

Everybody here has been trying to stand up for our own national interest and you have been calling that racist.

I have not intended to project the image that I call somebody a racist for standing up for the american national interest.

regarding the international trade treaties such as NAFTA - I think we should fashion a trade policy that favors our domestic economy. meaning, we should not have an overvalued currency that prevents us from exporting as much as we import. Trade can be profitable for a nation or not. we need to adjust trade policy so tat it is profitable from the point of view of our people. we should not be running massive trade deficits.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-14   13:06:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Red Jones (#97) (Edited)

regarding the international trade treaties such as NAFTA - I think we should fashion a trade policy that favors our domestic economy. meaning, we should not have an overvalued currency that prevents us from exporting as much as we import. Trade can be profitable for a nation or not. we need to adjust trade policy so tat it is profitable from the point of view of our people. we should not be running massive trade deficits.

Thanks for your NAFTA address but it says nothing about US businesses and jobs that moved to Mexico, nor Mexico's oil rich and not so poor economy that also has a booming tourist industry -- all of which point to the illegals trying to attack us as invaders, living off our doles while doing it and "working under the table" too.

Let's recap where we are in these negotiations:

I have compromised on the Repub/guest worker v. Dem/citizenship proposals by throwing out both of them.

You have been shown a path to citizenship for the illegals by joining our Military that has been available to them for years.

You have been offered a working alliance against the employers who hire illegals and guest workers.

What have you compromised? Nothing and you persist in claiming that amnesty has to be "combined with" enforcement against employers. No it doesn't have to be combined. Amnesty is not necessary at all. You have to realize that, while it wasn't nearly enough, a Republican administration did move against the illegal-hire business, Agriprocessors, to shut it down but the Democrat at the White House now is moving against Arizona rather than any employers of illegals. So you should quit trying to make this out as mostly a "Republican" problem and looking like you're blinkered.

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-16   15:33:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: GreyLmist (#110)

but the Democrat at the White House now is moving against Arizona rather than any employers of illegals.

are you lost in the 2-party paradigm or what??? the Republicans of Arizona have not moved against employers for hiring illegals. they've actually taken no significant actions other than to engage in emotional terrorism by threatening the existence of the illegals without actually doing anything to hardly any of them. The 2 parties function together towards common goals.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-17   11:02:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Red Jones (#113)

are you lost in the 2-party paradigm or what???

That's funny, considering your prior post at # 112 and all the others where you've pointed to Republicans as the problem but never Democrats. If you want to claim now that, "The 2 parties function together towards common goals," I can agree with that, so what's your point about Republicans again? You want them to work towards a common goal of another amnesty for illegals and they want Democrats to work towards a common goal of documented guest workers instead without rewarding the illegal invaders with citizenship again for breaking our laws and undermining our economy? Persuades me that Democrats are on the wrong side of this issue.

I've done some research on Arizona's political demographics and it doesn't seem so heavily dominated by Republicans as you suggest. Your last Governor was a Democrat and didn't move against any employers hiring illegals. Neither has Dem. Obama but Rep. GWBush did move against Agriprocessors, whether you want to aknowledge that fact or not. I'm no Bush fan and it wasn't enough but it was more than your Democrats have done to penalize employers of illegals, as you claim to want. Your current Attorney General is a Democrat and 2 out of 5 Corporation Commissioners are Democrats. Perhaps the reason employers of illegals aren't being moved against there is because of the Democrat Attorney General and not the Republicans. Ever think of that?

GreyLmist  posted on  2010-08-17   18:02:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#116. To: GreyLmist (#115)

the people who have been active on immigration policy in arizona have been republicans. we used to be a strong republican state, but with all the mexicans increasing their population we are becoming a democrat state. but currently the legislature and governor are both republican. about 2 years ago the state's republicans were excited over a guest worker program. They had received the federal government's permission to have a guest worker program just for our state. they were going to turn illegals into guest workers and they thought it was great. those are the same republicans behind SB1070. they are not our friends.

I don't see democrats embracing the solutions I've advocated and that were also advocated by Ronald Reagan. I see the democrats as just sitting back and letting the republicans do evil things on immigration, but they never seem to oppose the republicans in a way that will win. Obama says he rejects employer sanctions, that means he's all pro-illegal immigrant. that is the way the 2 parties are. One may lead on a particular issue, but the other follows. I think the democrats will be just dysfunctional enough on the illegal immigrant issue to let the republicans get their permanent stream of guest workers that they want so badly.

Red Jones  posted on  2010-08-17 18:20:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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