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Title: Woman shot by G20 police speaks out
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URL Source: http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/ale ... man-shot-g20-police-speaks-out
Published: Jul 26, 2010
Author: Natalie Gray
Post Date: 2010-08-12 09:14:42 by Red Jones
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Woman shot by G20 police speaks out By summit stories Created Jul 26 2010 - 1:18pm Story_publish_date: July 26, 2010 Natalie Gray, A 20-year-old B.C.-based environmental activist, shares her G20 summit protest story. Gray was hit by two rubber bullets and is now suing the Toronto Police Service. I gave this speech at the "Reclaim Your Rights" rally on Saturday, July 17th. A few minor changes have been made since then. Hey everyone, my name is Natalie Gray. I'd like to start by acknowledging that we are gathered here today on unceded occupied Coast Salish Territory. At the end of June, I went to Toronto to exercise my civil rights and march in active opposition to the G8 and G20 meetings being held there. On Sunday June 27th, I attended a jail solidarity protest that was peaceful. Without warning a line of riot police started moving towards us, and while running away, I was shot twice with rubber bullets, then arrested and incarcerated for 30 hours. I have been charged with obstruction of a peace officer. I have never been more terrified, more dehumanized or more in pain than I was that day. I wish my story were unique. Over one billion dollars of tax payer's money funded the weekend's tragedy, which was executed by 20,000 police officers and their artillery. Over one thousand demonstrators, media and passersby were indiscriminately incarcerated and subjected to abuses similar and in many cases worse than what I experienced. As demonstrators, we were in the streets to resist the systemic and violent oppression of people here at home and around the world caused by the capitalist, corporate strategies solidified, agreed upon and celebrated by the leaders at the G8 and G20 summits. We got a brief taste this weekend of the very human rights abuses we were there to oppose. Here's my story. I was at the jail solidarity rally on Sunday June 27th, outside of the detention centre in support of my friends who had been surrounded and arrested in Queen's Park, the designated protest zone, the day before. Sunday's protest followed the route decided upon by the police, and was proceeding peacefully. A line of riot police formed between us and the detention centre. Without warning, two unmarked minivans screeched to a stop behind the police line. A number of plainclothes men stormed through the line and into the crowd, violently pushing two people into the ground. The people were dragged along the pavement and aggressively thrown into the vans and the vans took off. To all who were there, this appeared to be a strategically orchestrated kidnapping. The small woman who was snatched later became my cellmate. She told me of being choked and sat on by two large men to the verge of unconsciousness. A third man pulled her hair and all three verbally abused her, referring to her as "cunt," "bitch," "whore" and "street trash" on the way to the detention centre. All three refused to identify themselves. At this point we decided to de-escalate the situation by sitting down. We chanted "we are peaceful, how about you" and clapped our hands. During this time, officers donning helmets, body armour, gas masks, and weapons resembling tear gas guns filled in the line in front of us. Several minutes later, once again without warning, the police line started moving quickly toward us. We stood up and moved backwards, complying with the yells of the officers to get back. Soon thereafter, the riot line parted to let an officer through who was wielding a large, intimidating weapon. As an asthmatic, I had bought a painter's respirator from a hardware store to cover my face in case chemical weapons were used during the weekend. I had no idea what the weapon behind us was, so as a precaution, I reached into my bag, took out the mask and put it over my face. Not wanting to have my back to the weapon, I turned to face it while retreating. It was then that I was shot in the sternum. As I went to turn, I was shot again in the elbow, and I immediately hit the ground, falling into the fetal position. I remember simply hoping that someone was on their way to help me, and I knew I couldn't get up by myself. A person ran back for me and attempted to help me to my feet, but on my way up, the riot line caught up to us and several police shoved me face first into the pavement. They yelled at me to stop resisting and kneeled on top of me. I was terrified, and lost control of my bladder. All I remember was begging them to be gentle because I was hurt. They then dragged me to my feet and walked me to a nearby cruiser, the officer on my left insisting on gripping my arm over the bullet wound. The first half-hour of my incarceration was spent lying in the fetal position in the cruiser, and being dragged to various places within the compound. They didn't seem to know what to do with me, and I repeatedly asked every officer I saw for medical attention. The first time I was dragged out, they brought me over to a sergeant, and told him I was asking to see a doctor. He said "too bad." I then repeated my request, and was told by the sergeant to "suck it up." Approximately 30 minutes after my arrest, I finally had my vitals checked, and was given acetaminophen. All the detention centre doctors had to offer was acetaminophen or ibuprofen. I was then put on a stretcher in an ambulance. This was when I overheard officers confirming why I had been targeted. It was because I had put the respirator on my face. It was one hour later that I arrived at the hospital, and was checked for internal bleeding and broken bones. Thankfully I suffered from neither; an hour and a half of internal bleeding could've left me dead. I was then brought back to the detention centre, and upon arrival, put in a solitary cell. The detention centre was a series of metal cages in several large, cold, concrete rooms. The solitary cells were in a row against one wall against one wall in the second room, with sheet metal blocking the view on three sides. I was soon brought into a makeshift office and interrogated by three male officers. One of them referred to me as "sir" immediately after I told him my name, and asked if I preferred to be called "Natalie" or "Gray," implying that my physical appearance didn't represent my sex. Every prisoner I've spoken to experienced some type of verbal abuse at the hands of officers. Based on appearance, the officers categorized and harassed people according to race, gender, sexual orientation, physical capability, gender identity, presumed income and whatever else came to their minds. A person in a cell next to mine was told to 'stop crying, faggot'. A racialized person was told 'we let you into this country and this is what you do?'. A woman was told she was going to be repeatedly raped while she was in jail. The scope and consistency of the verbal abuse in the detention centre is difficult to articulate. After being interrogated, I was led to be strip searched. When I repeated several times that I wanted to speak to a lawyer before being strip searched, I was surrounded by approximately eight officers. A male officer referred to me in third person and said, 'I know she'll behave because if she doesn't, she knows we'll be coming in', referring to himself and several other male officers. I was strip searched by four female officers. My search was minor in comparison to that of one woman, who was strip searched by several male officers and had a finger put inside her. Afterwards, the officers escorted me back to my cell, sporadically moving me to different ones throughout the course of my incarceration. I knew that four hours after my hospital visit, the acetaminophen would wear off and I'd be in severe pain again. So I started asking officers if I'd be treated. I also needed to take my asthma medication. An hour and a half after I started asking to see the physician, I was finally brought to one. Throughout my stay, I would tell the officers my pain medication was about to wear off about 20 minutes in advance. They would wait until I was hunched over, shaking, clutching my arm to my front and crying before bringing me to the physician. I remember hearing a woman asking to see the doctor, and the officers told her to stand up. She told them that she couldn't, that she was too injured to do so. They told her if she couldn't stand up, she couldn't see the doctor, and left her in her cell. We were occasionally given buns of white bread with a slice of processed cheese in the middle to eat and small styrofoam cups of water to drink . The bathrooms were outhouses without doors that faced the officers. The solitary cells didn't have bathrooms. The floors and benches were concrete, and puddles were common. The officers refused us blankets and warm clothing. I was refused a fresh pair of pants, and spent all 30 hours in the pants I had urinated in. There were fluorescent lights on 24/7. I huddled up in a corner of the cage, and dozed off for a couple minutes around midnight. But I was too hungry, cold and injured to sleep that night, like many other prisoners. I continued throughout the night to try and see the doctor every four hours. The next morning, I was put in a paddy wagon with several other people and driven to the courthouse. One of them was a black man. He told me that he had been walking through Queen's Park when a police officer called him over. He was then surrounded and beaten by fifteen officers. They kicked him and stomped on his face. When he put his hands over his face, they yelled at him to "stop resisting." His jaw had been broken and several of his ribs were cracked. He had been charged with resisting arrest. I was among the lucky people that were released on bail Monday. My bail was $1,000 with a number of conditions. It felt weird to leave my cellmates behind, but they reassured me and hugged me and gave me their family's phone numbers to call from the outside. Most people had been denied their rights to a phone call. I stepped out into the sun and immediately burst into tears. I sat on the ground outside the courthouse with some wonderful people who had brought real food and medical supplies for the people getting out. While I was waiting for my friends to get there, 10 police officers surrounded six of us and told us to get off the property. They followed us onto the sidewalk and harassed us until we were well away from the area. I was given a ride to my friend's place where I was staying. As part of my conditions, I was restricted to that apartment and spent a week in there, constantly in fear of a knock at the door and being taken back into police custody. While most of the 1,000 arrestees have been released, 12 people remain incarcerated. These individuals have been charged with conspiracy, with bails set upwards of $85,000. These political prisoners have been strategically targeted in an attempt to discredit and undermine our grassroots organizations. These people are our friends and our comrades. he systemic brutality and torture that 1,000 human beings were subjected to that weekend leaves no question of who the real criminals are. They sought to crush our democratic rights to freedom of assembly and freedom of speech. They sought to terrify us out of the streets. They sought to silence our dissent. And they hoped no-one would notice. Stephen Harper, Dalton McGuinty and Bill Blair are criminals, and they made one big mistake. They underestimated us. We are hurt. We are sad. We are angry. We are also as passionate, as capable, and as determined as ever before. This tragedy has enraged us, inspired us, united us. And we stand here with our parents. We stand here with our siblings. We stand here with our children. We stand here with our friends. We stand here with our lovers. We stand here with our cousins and our neighbours and our coworkers. We stand to demand answers and hold the criminals responsible. We stand here to insist on the rights of every human being in this nation. But we cannot forget those elsewhere. We must insist on our right to flood the streets in solidarity with those around the world whose day-to-day survival is resistance. Whose struggle for clean water, clean air, clean land, self-determination and peace is their way of life. Whose tragedies are a direct result of the illegitimate, criminal choices made by Stephen Harper and the rest of the G8 and G20 thugs. Those whose activism deserves global solidarity. Our so-called leaders have no idea what they've gotten themselves into. We're here. We're strong. We resist.
Poster Comment: these events happened up in Canada. but the same type of thing has happened in America and in Europe.
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#1. To: Red Jones (#0)
We are also as passionate, as capable, and as determined as ever before. This tragedy has enraged us, inspired us, united us. Too bad it took this to enrage, inspire and unite them. But at least that got the job done. I don;t know if demonstrations are good ideas anymore. I'm beginning to think that laying low and preparing for the Real Thing might be a better idea. Demonstrations don't stop them. They don't even care that people demonstrate against them. All they respect, and fear, is force. IMO there are better ways to actively resist apart from demonstrations. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or you're right about all of that. I wish that Americans would look and see how the demonstrators were treated in the demonstrations that did occur in our country in the last 10-11 years. peaceful demonstrators with legitimate gripes were treated very badly. This description above about Canadian police is similar to how American police treated Americans. Lots of people were arrested without any cause at all. and huge expenses were imposed on these people where they had to defend themselves legally or else face jail. Our governments are willing to spend money just that freely to shut our people up. Police come into the middle of peaceful citizens who congregate in public and beat up citizens completely unprovoked. In seattle there were americans beaten up badly for merely walking from their place of work to their homes. In all of the demonstrations it was police who did the violence, not the demonstrators. In Florida the police shot one of those crowd control bags into the face at short range of a journalist who was merely covering the story and that journalist was blinded. It was not an accident what they did. You must raise those weapons purposely to shoot them and you must aim to hit your target. that's what they did at close range. In Boston a young woman was killed in that manner during a public demonstration, her crime was that she was standing on the street just 5 minutes after coming out of a restaurant. There are many examples of gross police brutality in these demonstrations. we live in a police state. I just wish that my fellow Americans understood this.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Something I've noticed about these G8 and G20 demonstrations is how fast those who claim to be against global government and the "one world order" turn on those doing the protesting. I don't know how many times I've read these so-called "patriots" applauding the actions of the police because they claim the protesters are "filthy leftists" or whatever, as if leftists are the only ones protesting. As long as those type of morons continue to back the government over those doing the protesting, "they" don't have to care and are free to use whatever force they want to use.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Miami Police Shot Protester, then laugh about it. I think some good came out of all of this. I'ts one thing to protest an intangible "NWO", it's quite another to be beaten for it. That beating takes matters from the theoretical into the practical. They may have believed that they were protesting evil, but now they know it. These things never happen in a vacuum. They not only lose the support of the people they assault, but also everyone that knows them or reads what happens to them is a potential ally, whose support the "elites" have now lost. IMO there are more on our side than you will ever hear about in the MSM. That is not something that the kikes and their enablers want to make known, for obvious reasons. As long as those type of morons continue to back the government over those doing the protesting, "they" don't have to care and are free to use whatever force they want to use. IMO the more force they use, the more support they lose, and the more support we gain. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or I recall an incident in Portland back during the anti-Iraq War demonstrations where a father carrying a toddler trying to escape from the oncoming line of Storm Troopers was pepper sprayed in the face as was the toddler he was carrying. I guess they must have been a real threat. The kinds of human pigs recruited for these kinds of operations are nothing better than animals. They are of the lowest order - both stupid and criminal. They are the State's authorized thugs.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
There is no doubt about that. It's the same dynamic that drives non-combatants in Iraq and Afghanistan into the arms of the "terrorists." However, I am more cynical I guess. I see more Americans as being like Gatlin, GrandIsland and byeltsin than being like us. Of course as time goes on and more an more people are personally affected by the tyranny of the two party fraud that attitude will change. Who knows how long that will take though.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Yeah. Not knowing sucks. I'm like a kid a couple days before Christmas. I know it's just around the corner but waiting is hard. I don't care about LP or who's who there. I got banned in less than a day. She took exception to my posting the "kol nidre" so-called prayer, straight from a kike source, not a "anti-semetic" source. LOL! ,
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or thank you for posting that video. It is heart-breaking to see american police treat americans like that. Let me contrast that to the big pro-illegal immigrant protest we had in Phoenix I think in 2006. You may remember there were similar protests in Los Angeles and elsewhere. We had a lot of people in the streets, several hundred thousand. and the police presence you would not believe. there were very few police. Scattered through the crowd there would be a pair of police here and a pair of police there. and none of them were in riot gear. they were very low-key. They had one gathering of about 20 police officers all standing in a line. but they were not in riot gear. there was no violence from the police at all. the protesters were allowed to protest. the police left them alone. when americans protest they are treated like criminals. The police try to provoke. the police wear that riot gear and bring out those special weapons. You know at one american protest I think in Philadelphia they used a sound cannon against americans. when non-americans protested en masse in phoenix the police treated them with respect.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I tend to have the same negative feelings towards police after such events. The police have become just dogs by a regime that makes it so.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Posting the link to LP was only showing an example of the type of people I talk to every day. I speak with a hell of a lot more of those types than I do those who think like I do I can tell you that. They worship one side or the other of the two party fraud and actually believe that it is the government that made this country great, not the people. If the government declared martial law and the military started rolling into town with tanks, APC's and Humvee's, those people on LP and the ones I speak with on a daily basis would be standing on the side of the road waving their miniature Chinese-made American flags, ready to turn-in those they consider an enemy of the state. Maybe it's different in other parts of the country, but this is how it is in the Ozarks. Until that mindset begins to change, I have very little hope of things getting better. Actually, I see the economy completely collapsing before the majority actually begin to look to their government as anything other than "sugar and spice and everything nice."
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Why it was just a few days ago that I recounted the story to someone of how I got arrested near Fort Leonard Wood in southeast Missouri for being a door-to-door salesperson. those are interesting views you gave of the intractable people supporting the 2-party paradigm and the government. Many people behave as if a spell was cast on them. Many people from the south act like fighting wars against the muslims is somehow a very christian thing to do. The dysfunctionalism and flaws that human beings have are really on display today in America.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I think you meant Southwest Missouri. those are interesting views you gave of the intractable people supporting the 2-party paradigm and the government. Many people behave as if a spell was cast on them. Well let's see, 72% of "conservatives," to include 50% of Tea Partyers, just voted for Roy Blunt in the Republican Senatorial primary. In case you are unaware, Roy Blunt was the number three man in the House of Representatives when the Republicrats had complete control of the federal government (still is for that matter). He wrote the "free" meds for Geezers legislation, voted for and helped ramrod every piece of big government legislation through the House. Yet instead of sending his ass packing for betraying them, "conservatives" rewarded him by giving him their vote. Many people from the south act like fighting wars against the muslims is somehow a very christian thing to do. The dysfunctionalism and flaws that human beings have are really on display today in America. Yes there are some deeply wicked "Christians" here deep in the Baptist Bible belt/fundie-land. They enjoy dancing in the blood of Muslim's and the American military. It's what Jesus would do of course.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
you are so right Hayek fan. it is so sad to watch our country be destroyed in this fashion. Oh, the Ozarks are towards southwest Missouri and Ft Leonard Wood is in southeast Missouri. I was confused. I'm kind of a bible thumper myself. and I find it very disappointing that so many southern christian groups advocate war. the fact that our entire mass media is propaganda owned by only 6 corporations is something that really destroys us as a people. People are so happy that it seems as though a lot of politicians will be voted out in November. and who will replace them? more puppets is our experience. democracy as an ideology is completely discredited. we as a people are defeated from within. we should put our faith in god and remember that these things do not happen by accident. When the greatest nation on this earth is destroyed from within as ours' has been, then we should develop a healthy fear of god. because much worse things can be done to us and we are not able to protect ourselves.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
People have been saying the same thing every election cycle I can remember but it's yet to happen. Hell, even during the so-called republican revolution the reelection rate was greater than 90%. But you are right, even those small few who are replaced are replaced by those who are members in good standing of the two party fraud. In the case of Missouri, Blunt's main opponent was a person named Chuck Purgason. He served in the Missouri House of Representatives from 1996-2004 and was the Majority Whip. He's been in the Missouri Senate since 2004. Another member in good standing of the two part fraud. Had he beaten Blunt, he would have went to DC and fallen into lockstep with the rest of them.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 Nothing in the State, everything outside the State, everything against the State - Jan Lester, Escape From Leviathan "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat Good order results spontaneously when things are let alone. - Zhuangzi
Indeed. It's an utter repudiation of Christ's entire message. Shedding blood, being a warrior, all that, is anathema to Christianity as it was originally conceived and preached. Even the knights of Europe in the dark and middle ages were starting to get harshly criticized for being martial as it was un-Christian. Had the Crusades not occured, I seriously doubt that the feudal system would have survived. True Christianity is the largest and most powerful peace movement in the world. Any so called "Christian" that thinks it is fine and dandy to run around bombing innocent people or sending out killer drones to destroy human life, especially in support of a nation attacking other nations that have not attacked them first, are not Christians at all. You cannot call yourself one thing and act the opposite and expect the schism to go un-noted.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
That always bothers me as well. Even if it were only "filthy leftists", it's still wrong. I despise leftism (in its modern form). But that doesn't mean that it's ok to beat them at a peaceful protest. If they cannot protest due to batons, you can bet your last dollar that those batons will be on our heads if we're out protesting in the future. Rights belong to everybody, not just a chosen few.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
We do have our fair share of loyalists, no doubt about it. Out FF faced the same thing. But I see things a little differently. Instead of letting this bother me like it did in the past, I consider that I don't even want them on my side. I do not want them as allies, because they're idiots that will cheerfully worship the same people that will destroy them. They are the ones that are fully invested in the system, so when the system crashes, they can go down with it. I won't lift a finger to help them. I think it's enough that we have the smart ones on our side, because it will take smart people to rebuild what the idiots and traitors destroyed. When the idiots can look on at what is done to other people, and call it a good thing, who the fuck wants them around anyway? Not me. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files Live free or that is how I am. I'm skeptical that many will be voted out. It used to be 98% of incumbents at least to the House being routinely re-elected. and when we revolt it goes down to 90% being re-elected. Even if it is 50% the people replacing them will be members in good standing of 2-party fraud as you say. By failing to inform us the mass media is lying massively. Take the illegal immigrant issue. How many people really understand that per the law employers can hire illegal immigrants even today. there are no real penalties they face. This is one of my pet issues. and the people like McCain and Hayworth who say they're going to kick the illegals out are the ones responsible for there being no penalties to the employers. They do not intend to impose such penalties and they're going to bring in guest workers. guest workers are the same as illegals in how they affect us. worse, I would say. why are the people so ignorant? Because the mass media has deceived them. If the media were on our side it would tell the people very pointedly that employers can hire illegals with no penalty. and they would show us the politicians who made it that way. McCain who was in the house in 1986 and I think voted for that bill to allow employers to hire illegals should be outted by the media for this, ridiculed until his career ends. If we had a media like that, then we'd have a chance. but the media is against us. and our people are loyal to it. none of us can change these facts.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
We are hurt. We are sad. We are angry.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#2. To: PSUSA (#1)
Demonstrations don't stop them. They don't even care that people demonstrate against them. All they respect, and fear, is force.
#3. To: PSUSA (#1)
Demonstrations don't stop them. They don't even care that people demonstrate against them. All they respect, and fear, is force.
#4. To: Red Jones, F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)
I wish that Americans would look and see how the demonstrators were treated in the demonstrations that did occur in our country in the last 10-11 years. peaceful demonstrators with legitimate gripes were treated very badly.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#5. To: Red Jones (#2)
you're right about all of that. I wish that Americans would look and see how the demonstrators were treated in the demonstrations that did occur in our country in the last 10-11 years. peaceful demonstrators with legitimate gripes were treated very badly. This description above about Canadian police is similar to how American police treated Americans.
#6. To: PSUSA (#4)
IMO the more force they use, the more support they lose, and the more support we gain.
#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)
Who knows how long that will take though.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#8. To: PSUSA (#4)
#9. To: Original_Intent (#5)
The kinds of human pigs recruited for these kinds of operations
#10. To: PSUSA (#7)
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I don't care about LP or who's who there.
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10)
Ozarks
#12. To: Red Jones (#11)
Why it was just a few days ago that I recounted the story to someone of how I got arrested near Fort Leonard Wood in southeast Missouri for being a door-to-door salesperson.
#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#12)
72% of "conservatives," to include 50% of Tea Partyers, just voted for Roy Blunt in the Republican Senatorial primary
#14. To: Red Jones (#13)
People are so happy that it seems as though a lot of politicians will be voted out in November.
#15. To: Red Jones (#13)
I'm kind of a bible thumper myself. and I find it very disappointing that so many southern christian groups advocate war.
#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)
I don't know how many times I've read these so-called "patriots" applauding the actions of the police because they claim the protesters are "filthy leftists" or whatever, as if leftists are the only ones protesting.
#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#10)
I speak with a hell of a lot more of those types than I do those who think like I do I can tell you that. They worship one side or the other of the two party fraud and actually believe that it is the government that made this country great, not the people.
die kill ~~ Me
God is a separatist. That's good enough for me.
#18. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#14)
People have been saying the same thing every election cycle I can remember but it's yet to happen. Hell, even during the so-called republican revolution the reelection rate was greater than 90%.
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