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Title: How do Men and Women Ever Get Married?
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Aug 12, 2010
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2010-08-12 10:47:22 by Turtle
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Views: 5427
Comments: 133

About a month ago (as I write this) I read a comment, I believe by a man, who observed that he was astonished than men and women ever got together.

That jogged my memory about a time in college. I lived in a studio apartment attached to a two-story house with 11 or 12 girls in it. I lived there for a year and a half, so I had plenty of time to observe these women, all of whom were about 20 years old, give or take a few years.

I noticed something interesting: the few girls who were popular always talked to guys and showed they were interested in them. The girls who were not popular sat there like bumps on logs.

One of the log-bumps had one date in that year-and-a-half, and when he called for a second date she turned him down.

Another log-bump had no dates, but one guy did spend the night, since I heard them through my wall. He left in the morning and never came back.

One of the popular girls, one Thursday night I was sitting in her room, just passing the time. For some reason, and to this day I do not know why, I asked her how many guys had asked her out for the weekend.

“Seven,” she told me. I was speechless for a few seconds, then I asked her which one she was going out with. She told me the one she liked the best.

I thought, here is a friendly woman who did like guys, talked to them and was interested in what they had to say. And she had seven guys ask her out.

The other two girls – one date in a year-and-a-half for one, no dates for the other, just some guy who spend the night and never came back. And they never showed any friendliness toward guys, just the attitude they were supposed to sit there saying nothing and guys were supposed to approach them.

I sat in my classes, always in the back row, watching students. I never saw anyone talk to anyone else in any way that showed any kind of romantic interest. Not once did I see a girl smile at a guy. I remember thinking, how do these people think they are going to meet someone and get married?

Occasionally a guy would talk briefly to a girl, but she never responded with more than a few words.

One woman I know, who was very popular with guys, told me she had been asked by the other girls why she was so popular. She told me she couldn’t believe the question.

“All you have to do is be friendly and talk to them,” she told them. Apparently this simple concept had never occurred to any of them.

Probably the strangest thing about this time in college is that there were many more women than men, so you’d think the women would be competing for the men. I never saw it. What I saw, over and over, were girls by themselves on Friday and Saturday nights.

How did I know they were alone? Because I delivered pizzas for a year-and-a-half, including to the girls’ dorms, and was just amazed that all of them were there by themselves. Not hundreds. Thousands.

I suppose if I was to have asked them why they were alone, they might have responded, “There are no guys here,” an odd response at a university with about 9,000 guys.

What they really meant was, “There are no guys here I’d be interested in,” again an odd response with 9,000 available guys. Maybe they thought they’d just look at a guy and know he was the one – love at first sight? Price Charming, which means they thought they were princesses?

Since men usually approach women, women have to show themselves to be approachable. That’s what “friendly and smiling and interested” means. Again, in college, in classes, I never saw it.

I never saw it at parties, either. Just the log-bumps. Mostly I saw the log-bumps at nightclubs, too.

Oddly, I have noticed this attitude only among American women. With non-American women I have never seen it.

It’s one of the reasons white guys go out with Asian women (who are a lot friendlier and act more interested than almost all white American women), and of course many white women get hysterical about this, even though they themselves would not go out with this particular guy. It’s as if they’re saying, “Maybe I don’t want him, but no one else should, either.” This is some kind of weird envy or jealousy that I do not understand.

I know women who are in their 40s and 50s who are unmarried and childless, and are hostile toward men because of it. I wonder if it has never occurred to them they are in some way responsible for their predicament? Because they forgot how to smile?

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#6. To: Turtle (#0)

It’s as if they’re saying, “Maybe I don’t want him, but no one else should, either.”

But their mistake is thinking that I want them

They seem to think that every possible interaction is an attempt to get into their pants. They made themselves unapproachable, so I made myself that way too, even towards women that were interested in me. They're not worth it in the long term. Pussy is the only thing they have to offer, and there is a huge surplus in that market. It's just not that valuable. Anyone can get laid.

The lack of dramatics alone is priceless.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-08-12   12:24:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA (#6)

Pussy is the only thing they have to offer, and there is a huge surplus in that market. It's just not that valuable. Anyone can get laid.

With that way of thinking, its no wonder one stays single. Women have more to offer than just pussy. Many of us ladies are highly intelligent and therefore refuse to marry (or date) men who look and smell like almost anything goes. Us ladies have to be selective in choosing our mates. It is one thing for us to be friendly but not so "friendly" that we are sending out mixed messages. You see today's men have not been raised properly to respect ladies as they were raised back in the earlier times. Young men back in the earlier times held the door open for the lady, made certain that she walked to his left side when walking on a public street, so as to prevent her from being mistaken for a prostitute or getting splashed on by mud etc. Men back in the earlier times were gentlemen and taught to respect women. The feminist movement changed this and is partly the reason why people don't marry anymore. The purpose of the feminists movement was to discourage people from marrying and population control.

purplerose  posted on  2010-08-13   9:40:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#20. To: purplerose (#18) (Edited)

You're right in a certain sense. What's left out is the treatment of men by your feminist sisters. It's happened to me, and many men, that when we open the door for a woman, she scowls and growls, or worse, kicks us in the shin (happened to a friend of mine), barking off "who do you think you are?!?" or some such garbage.

And then the family courts. Lots of us guys were, unfortunately, raised in single parent homes. What I mean by that is that our "liberated and don't need no man no how" mothers in the 1970's took us under their wings and pussified the living shit out of a lot of us. Not only were manners not taught, but "live for the day, you can't do wrong, if you have a booboo it's somebody else's fault nobody should ever have to learn from experience" was the philosophy.

Add to this young boys watching the legal system literally destroy their fathers, remove them from their life except as bit actors, precisely at a time when young boys need to be around their fathers more than they need to be around their mothers, when they need to learn to shake it off and drive on instead of being coddled, and well, you see the results now. What kind of male wouldn't take the lesson from this "you will grow up to be useless and destroyed, get used to it kid". What kind of male wants to be like dad, when dad commits suicide after being driven into abject poverty by our "fair and balanced family court system"?

So yes, you're right, that's what the feminist movement was after, family destruction. And now, we're reaping it wholesale. And the women continue in their roles of "superior to all men" despite evidence to the contrary. Television routinely conditions men to accept being the weakling, men now need the rescuing, 250 pound men are routinely kicked through the air by 89 pound thin rail women, engineer/scientist roles are now almost exclusively filled by women in movies/television (and if a man is present in that role, he's a villain) and men are generally denigrated. Many are starting to believe it, despite unbiased test scores in academia showing superior results from males and physical contests never being "equal" in a real sense because, frankly, men would win them all if they were.

It's funny in a sense. I'm 6'3", 235 pounds, lift weights and am martially trained. I've yet to meet a single female who can cause any kind of major pain, short of a nut kick, in any kind of martial contest. Men are faster to react, more aggressive, much stronger and much better at physical conflict. Where is that represented today? Nowhere. We're weak, we're useless, we're dumb, we're animals who need to be rescued or led along by the nose. Meh.

Feminism has nearly destroyed the male identity in a psychological sense, but it can't change how we're hard wired. And thus the angst, anger and underlying sense of injustice a lot of men are starting to feel across the West.

That said, I still open doors for women (or men carrying large loads), I still smile and flirt politely, I defer to a woman for a bus seat in all cases, and all that. And I'm teaching my son the same. But I'm also making it a job to point out every single instance of anti-male conditioning we see in movies, literature or television.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-13 11:00:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: purplerose (#18) (Edited)

With that way of thinking, its no wonder one stays single. Women have more to offer than just pussy. Many of us ladies are highly intelligent and therefore refuse to marry (or date) men who look and smell like almost anything goes.

I never said that you were under any obligation to date or marry anyone. You can refuse all you want. It's not the refusals I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is the refusals when no offer has been made for them to even refuse. Its the attitude that bothers me.

It is one thing for us to be friendly but not so "friendly" that we are sending out mixed messages.

You're right, that can be a problem. I already said that women are more perceptive than men are. From a womans perspective, I suppose we're rather dense when it comes to interpreting these signals either by seeing signals that aren't there or missing the ones that are there. But, while you make a valid point, it's not the argument I was making.

You see today's men have not been raised properly to respect ladies as they were raised back in the earlier times. Young men back in the earlier times held the door open for the lady, made certain that she walked to his left side when walking on a public street, so as to prevent her from being mistaken for a prostitute or getting splashed on by mud etc.

And women were raised to appreciate it, and to CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR PART in the relationship. They don't appreciate it anymore. So why should I or any other man bother? They can open their own doors, thank you very much. Instead of seeing it as a courtesy, they see it as entitlement due them simply because they were born with a vagina.

The feminist movement changed this and is partly the reason why people don't marry anymore. The purpose of the feminists movement was to discourage people from marrying and population control.

Let's just drop the pretense here. The purpose of feminism was to destroy the family. They succeeded. And the courts make damn sure that the woman basically has the ability to destroy the mans life. Marriage is all risk and no benefit for the man.

But to those men that disagree, then disagree. If you're married to one of the good ones, count yourself as being fortunate.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-08-13 12:38:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: purplerose (#18)

well said. my husband opens doors for me and all ladies when we're in public. we raised my son to do the same.

a little anecdote: my son's girlfriend and i were at a restaurant/cafe in Blanco last saturday. when we got up to leave, a young man actually left his table to rush over and open the door for us. that was so impressive. that's the kind of chivalry rarely seen anymore.

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