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Title: How do Men and Women Ever Get Married?
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 12, 2010
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2010-08-12 10:47:22 by Turtle
Keywords: None
Views: 5259
Comments: 133

About a month ago (as I write this) I read a comment, I believe by a man, who observed that he was astonished than men and women ever got together.

That jogged my memory about a time in college. I lived in a studio apartment attached to a two-story house with 11 or 12 girls in it. I lived there for a year and a half, so I had plenty of time to observe these women, all of whom were about 20 years old, give or take a few years.

I noticed something interesting: the few girls who were popular always talked to guys and showed they were interested in them. The girls who were not popular sat there like bumps on logs.

One of the log-bumps had one date in that year-and-a-half, and when he called for a second date she turned him down.

Another log-bump had no dates, but one guy did spend the night, since I heard them through my wall. He left in the morning and never came back.

One of the popular girls, one Thursday night I was sitting in her room, just passing the time. For some reason, and to this day I do not know why, I asked her how many guys had asked her out for the weekend.

“Seven,” she told me. I was speechless for a few seconds, then I asked her which one she was going out with. She told me the one she liked the best.

I thought, here is a friendly woman who did like guys, talked to them and was interested in what they had to say. And she had seven guys ask her out.

The other two girls – one date in a year-and-a-half for one, no dates for the other, just some guy who spend the night and never came back. And they never showed any friendliness toward guys, just the attitude they were supposed to sit there saying nothing and guys were supposed to approach them.

I sat in my classes, always in the back row, watching students. I never saw anyone talk to anyone else in any way that showed any kind of romantic interest. Not once did I see a girl smile at a guy. I remember thinking, how do these people think they are going to meet someone and get married?

Occasionally a guy would talk briefly to a girl, but she never responded with more than a few words.

One woman I know, who was very popular with guys, told me she had been asked by the other girls why she was so popular. She told me she couldn’t believe the question.

“All you have to do is be friendly and talk to them,” she told them. Apparently this simple concept had never occurred to any of them.

Probably the strangest thing about this time in college is that there were many more women than men, so you’d think the women would be competing for the men. I never saw it. What I saw, over and over, were girls by themselves on Friday and Saturday nights.

How did I know they were alone? Because I delivered pizzas for a year-and-a-half, including to the girls’ dorms, and was just amazed that all of them were there by themselves. Not hundreds. Thousands.

I suppose if I was to have asked them why they were alone, they might have responded, “There are no guys here,” an odd response at a university with about 9,000 guys.

What they really meant was, “There are no guys here I’d be interested in,” again an odd response with 9,000 available guys. Maybe they thought they’d just look at a guy and know he was the one – love at first sight? Price Charming, which means they thought they were princesses?

Since men usually approach women, women have to show themselves to be approachable. That’s what “friendly and smiling and interested” means. Again, in college, in classes, I never saw it.

I never saw it at parties, either. Just the log-bumps. Mostly I saw the log-bumps at nightclubs, too.

Oddly, I have noticed this attitude only among American women. With non-American women I have never seen it.

It’s one of the reasons white guys go out with Asian women (who are a lot friendlier and act more interested than almost all white American women), and of course many white women get hysterical about this, even though they themselves would not go out with this particular guy. It’s as if they’re saying, “Maybe I don’t want him, but no one else should, either.” This is some kind of weird envy or jealousy that I do not understand.

I know women who are in their 40s and 50s who are unmarried and childless, and are hostile toward men because of it. I wonder if it has never occurred to them they are in some way responsible for their predicament? Because they forgot how to smile?

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#6. To: Turtle (#0)

It’s as if they’re saying, “Maybe I don’t want him, but no one else should, either.”

But their mistake is thinking that I want them

They seem to think that every possible interaction is an attempt to get into their pants. They made themselves unapproachable, so I made myself that way too, even towards women that were interested in me. They're not worth it in the long term. Pussy is the only thing they have to offer, and there is a huge surplus in that market. It's just not that valuable. Anyone can get laid.

The lack of dramatics alone is priceless.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-08-12   12:24:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA (#6)

suc·cinct (sk-sngkt)

adj. suc·cinct·er, suc·cinct·est

1. Characterized by clear, precise expression in few words; concise and terse: a succinct reply; a succinct style.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-12   12:28:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, turtle (#8)

I was going thru facebook today, looking up my HS class. I graduated in '82 and just turned 46. Going thru that was an eye opener.

Some of those people look like they're well into their 60's. My mom looks younger than some of them. All that stress is killing them. And I bet it's all because they bought into the "you gotta do X, Y and Z or you're a loser" argument.

If being single means I'm a loser, then fine, I'm a loser.

I am amazed at that. I meet women 250 to 400 pounds who think men are flirting with them, are interested in them, and trying to get them into bed.

I'm also talking about the average sized/average looks female. They all do it. Are some men only interested in sex? Yep. But women are more perceptive than men are. They know when someone is interested only in that. But for some reason they are under a delusion that all men are after sex only.

ANd I dont have the time or inclination to find an exception to this rule. I know they're out there, but I just don't give a damn.

PSUSA  posted on  2010-08-12   12:53:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PSUSA (#15)

82 eh? 85 here. Just attended my class reunion a few weeks ago.

Same results you note, with an exception here or there. One exception was a girl who had an absolute crush on me from middle school through high school. She was absolutely drop dead gorgeous. Think a young non-plastic Angelina Jolie, with natural blond hair, that kind of beauty. She's 42/43 like me, but she doesn't look a day over 30 and she clearly has had no "upgrade alterations". She's one of the few success stories from my high school class, besides myself and two other people. She's a director of a very locally famous and profitable arts troupe, has a sharp mind and a wonderful, gentle sense of humor and a beautiful demeanor.

At the time of high school I was living in a situation where my parents were divorced, a horrible legal and psychological torture that started when I was 11, both more or less abandoned me to my fate by age 13 forward (but, of course, kept and protected my sister), I was living on and off with friends or my sick grandparents, and was working jobs to try and feed myself. I had NO clue she actually liked me. Some of her friends at the time told me, but my self esteem was so shot and my expectations in life so low, and I thought that she or her friends were just trying to lead me on to make fun of me, because there was no way a girl that beautiful would ever be interested in a rejected-by-his-parents useless, unwanted and undesirable nobody like me.

We are now both married, but stood and talked quietly the for a long time under a canopy of trees while sipping wine. Nothing untoward, unbecoming, disrespectful or wrong happened, naturally, but it was pleasant to talk to her and realize that, no, her friends at the time weren't lying.

There are times when you look back and wonder "if just one thing changed what would have happened". I don't have those moments often, but I did a few weeks ago.

Why in the hell am I reminiscing? What was the topic of the post again?

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2010-08-13   11:11:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: SonOfLiberty (#21)

There are times when you look back and wonder "if just one thing changed what would have happened". I don't have those moments often, but I did a few weeks ago.

I know what you mean. I didn't have it as bad as you did, but I know what you mean.

And I've had a few "what ifs" too.

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PSUSA  posted on  2010-08-13   12:42:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: PSUSA (#23)

Yeah. Throw in being raised by a redneck undereducated family (when I was being raised by them) and I still wonder that I didn't drift into my uncle's very "wrong path" motorcycle gang when I came of age.

Meh. Anywho, it was good to see her, if for nothing than to give me some moments of reflection about life.

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