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Title: How do Men and Women Ever Get Married?
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Published: Aug 12, 2010
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2010-08-12 10:47:22 by Turtle
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About a month ago (as I write this) I read a comment, I believe by a man, who observed that he was astonished than men and women ever got together. That jogged my memory about a time in college. I lived in a studio apartment attached to a two-story house with 11 or 12 girls in it. I lived there for a year and a half, so I had plenty of time to observe these women, all of whom were about 20 years old, give or take a few years. I noticed something interesting: the few girls who were popular always talked to guys and showed they were interested in them. The girls who were not popular sat there like bumps on logs. One of the log-bumps had one date in that year-and-a-half, and when he called for a second date she turned him down. Another log-bump had no dates, but one guy did spend the night, since I heard them through my wall. He left in the morning and never came back. One of the popular girls, one Thursday night I was sitting in her room, just passing the time. For some reason, and to this day I do not know why, I asked her how many guys had asked her out for the weekend. “Seven,” she told me. I was speechless for a few seconds, then I asked her which one she was going out with. She told me the one she liked the best. I thought, here is a friendly woman who did like guys, talked to them and was interested in what they had to say. And she had seven guys ask her out. The other two girls – one date in a year-and-a-half for one, no dates for the other, just some guy who spend the night and never came back. And they never showed any friendliness toward guys, just the attitude they were supposed to sit there saying nothing and guys were supposed to approach them. I sat in my classes, always in the back row, watching students. I never saw anyone talk to anyone else in any way that showed any kind of romantic interest. Not once did I see a girl smile at a guy. I remember thinking, how do these people think they are going to meet someone and get married? Occasionally a guy would talk briefly to a girl, but she never responded with more than a few words. One woman I know, who was very popular with guys, told me she had been asked by the other girls why she was so popular. She told me she couldn’t believe the question. “All you have to do is be friendly and talk to them,” she told them. Apparently this simple concept had never occurred to any of them. Probably the strangest thing about this time in college is that there were many more women than men, so you’d think the women would be competing for the men. I never saw it. What I saw, over and over, were girls by themselves on Friday and Saturday nights. How did I know they were alone? Because I delivered pizzas for a year-and-a-half, including to the girls’ dorms, and was just amazed that all of them were there by themselves. Not hundreds. Thousands. I suppose if I was to have asked them why they were alone, they might have responded, “There are no guys here,” an odd response at a university with about 9,000 guys. What they really meant was, “There are no guys here I’d be interested in,” again an odd response with 9,000 available guys. Maybe they thought they’d just look at a guy and know he was the one – love at first sight? Price Charming, which means they thought they were princesses? Since men usually approach women, women have to show themselves to be approachable. That’s what “friendly and smiling and interested” means. Again, in college, in classes, I never saw it. I never saw it at parties, either. Just the log-bumps. Mostly I saw the log-bumps at nightclubs, too. Oddly, I have noticed this attitude only among American women. With non-American women I have never seen it. It’s one of the reasons white guys go out with Asian women (who are a lot friendlier and act more interested than almost all white American women), and of course many white women get hysterical about this, even though they themselves would not go out with this particular guy. It’s as if they’re saying, “Maybe I don’t want him, but no one else should, either.” This is some kind of weird envy or jealousy that I do not understand. I know women who are in their 40s and 50s who are unmarried and childless, and are hostile toward men because of it. I wonder if it has never occurred to them they are in some way responsible for their predicament? Because they forgot how to smile?
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#45. To: James Deffenbach (#41)
13, I'm just very precocious.
“How many Sex and the City fans have funneled all their maternal instincts into their Chinese bulldog without even noticing their ovaries have expired?”
lol...that would explain the discrepency in this tall tale. At 80, he couldn't remember where her apartment was.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I still remember the name of the street is was on. I never said I didn't go back over there, just not the next night.
“How many Sex and the City fans have funneled all their maternal instincts into their Chinese bulldog without even noticing their ovaries have expired?”
Just off phone with Obama... He has assured me that the ..."Turtle Euthanasia Program", for the Ozarks, is fully funded and will be put in place shortly. I gave him turtles address, to make sure he is one of the first to benefit (hehehehehe) from this program.
My point of argument with Turtle is that the girl in this tall tale was no "hottie" and most likely not even a "warmie"..... An early 40's man is more discriminating than the 20 year old man. He also has learned the value of rescheduling those 2 AM get togethers to 5am just before he needs to go drive the school bus. By 40, he has mastered the fine art of TIMING. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
When I pointed her out to a friend of mine, he said, "Oh God, Oh God no! This is NOT fair!"
“How many Sex and the City fans have funneled all their maternal instincts into their Chinese bulldog without even noticing their ovaries have expired?”
He has assured me that the ..."Turtle Euthanasia Program", for the Ozarks, is fully funded and will be put in place shortly. I gave him turtles address, to make sure he is one of the first to benefit (hehehehehe) from this program. You're all heart, Cyni. I am sure you stressed that we wanted it done in a more or less humane way, right?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Why, did she have more butt than Michelle Obama?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. One hour until I left at 6? Surely you jest.
“How many Sex and the City fans have funneled all their maternal instincts into their Chinese bulldog without even noticing their ovaries have expired?”
Do not mention the First Wookie in the same sentence with this woman!!!!
“How many Sex and the City fans have funneled all their maternal instincts into their Chinese bulldog without even noticing their ovaries have expired?”
Uhhh, well, ahhh, cant say as I did. I had visions of Peace in the Ozarks, with Turtle gone. Too late now.
Both of you are in big trouble.
“How many Sex and the City fans have funneled all their maternal instincts into their Chinese bulldog without even noticing their ovaries have expired?”
I am so sorry you think this way that some of us women think with such courtesy with our genitalia. I, for one, do not think that way and I do appreciate it when the guy opens the door and even brings me flowers. And because of your way of thinking this way, it is why women like myself remain single because we refuse to marry a man who does not respect us (at least me for that matter). Those other "feminists" people are not my sisters. I have nothing in common with them and I view their way of thinking as extremely destructive to relationships and to the idea of marriage. The other day I was in a restaurant dressed to the 9's, in a miniskirt, heels, nice blouse, earrings, makeup, for a gentlemen just to have dinner with him. After we had our meal, the waitress came by and asked who was going to treat for dinner? When my date said he was buying, the waitress replied to me in this sarcastic manner, "Oh my...how nice of him to treat you." And then this waitress gave me this really snotty smirk. So you tell me what's up? I can partly say I agree with your posts. And I guess I can understand why the men of today really just don't care that much about what women want. And that is very sad. But I'm not going to give up because I know there are gentlemen out there that appreciate being seen with a woman who dresses like a woman and acts like one!
well, let me just say this. if men that have the tendency to view females that way would visualize their daughters and mothers, i think they would alter that opinion a lot.
There is a shortage of good men out there. I'm glad you've got a man that respects you. Chivalry is never out of style.
I think he last said that after his ex had just cleaned out his bank account and pension plan, so he may have been a bit stressed. We haven't spoken since our mother's funeral in 2002, so his outlook might have changed.
LOL! Surely you are not saying the First Wookie Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. I had visions of Peace in the Ozarks, with Turtle gone. Too late now. Oh well, I'm sure you meant to so all is forgiven. I won't hold it against you.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Might I move that one step further to this???? "I know there are gentlemen out there that appreciate being seen with a LADY who dresses like a LADY and acts like one" We are many, young and olde, but sadly far too many of the younger ladies prefer to be one of the guys.
Large Marge Avenue? Sweaty Betty Street? Porky Parkway? : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Then 4 am, Turtle. I'm underwelmed at your ability to get his timing right after all these years. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And don't ever forget it. I don't know if there are "a lot" of us left but some of us do appreciate a woman who dresses and acts like a woman.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. That was your blind friend. He was talking about you stealing his cane.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
hehehehehehehehe
Not to mention his good and faithful seeing-eye dog, the one he had had for years.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. This is why folks should NEVER use pugs as service dogs.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
This is true. When I was 20, any decent looking woman who flirted with me had a good chance of catching my eye. Now that I'm in my early 40's, I tend to be much more picky. Not that it matters a lick of course, being all in the "hypothetical zone" now.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
That would have killed her tip had I been the guy.
Same. Except that I would have made a point of actually tipping her...2 red cents. If you don't tip, sometimes the staff thinks you forgot, because sometimes people do. When you tip 2 red cents, it lets them know you remembered and that you dislike their service/attitude.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
Skinflint, tightwad, cheapo, now i know how you and the Hunts became billionaires. hehehehehehe
Good point. Don't servers today realize that their income is directly dependent on their attentiveness, service, and attitude? The best kitchen in the world cannot overcome lousy servers.
Cyni - Had I your coin, I'd just burn mine. ;-)
Ha. In my shoes you would have a nervous breakdown and work in the soup kitchen for your supper.
That's the thing about respect. It has to be earned, not given just because of someones gender. If you're respectable, then you'll get respect. And I'm not saying that you're not respectable. None if this is directed at you or any other woman here. It's directed at our sick society in general. You can say these things about men in general and chances are I'll agree with you. But I don't care about men, so why would I rant about them? None of this is any good. None of it. But I'm not going to give up because I know there are gentlemen out there that appreciate being seen with a woman who dresses like a woman and acts like one! You're damn right there are. The problem is finding a woman like that. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
A search for the saying 'all the good men are either married or gay' returned almost 1.5T, that's a T, results. Amazing.
And thus make themselves appear unapproachable. It's endemic with Irishwomen. lol I sat in my classes, always in the back row, watching students. I never saw anyone talk to anyone else in any way that showed any kind of romantic interest. Not once did I see a girl smile at a guy. I remember thinking, how do these people think they are going to meet someone and get married? Occasionally a guy would talk briefly to a girl, but she never responded with more than a few words. Typical inapproachability.
Heat wave... forest fires... Russia...... yet no sign of JohnA! :-P
They seem to think that every possible interaction is an attempt to get into their pants. That's something that occurred to me too, us men are told by modern social convention not to make our interest in any given woman "obvious", that she'll see you coming a mile off, and that is somehow a bad thing.. but, I was tying myself in knots a while ago trying to figure out how to talk to a woman w/o making my interest "obvious".... but I think your comment turns that on it's head - it's not that a man can appear "obvious", it's that many women assume that a man trying to have a conversation with her is 'trying it on'.
Heat wave... forest fires... Russia...... yet no sign of JohnA! :-P
And a note on married life: When Love Fades... Last night a married man of many years was sitting on the sofa watching TV when he heard his wife's voice from the kitchen. "What would you like for dinner my Love? Chicken, beef or lamb?" He said, "Thank you, I'll have chicken." She replied "You're having soup, asshole. I was talking to the cat!"
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
That's not exactly a joke. Last year, I came in from work to the most wonderful cooking smells coming from the kitchen. It turned out to be chicken and rice simmering in a huge pot. I cracked the lid and started to spoon up a plateful when she said "Hey! I'm cooking that for the dog. There's cold cuts in the fridge for you to make a sandwich..."
Confucius say; The harder man tries, the less he gets. That came to me naturally and never failed.
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#46. To: James Deffenbach (#44)
Or late 80's.
#47. To: abraxas (#46)
At 80, he couldn't remember where her apartment was.
#48. To: James Deffenbach, Turtle (#41)
Indeed! They should have started that program at least--how old are you, Turtle?
#49. To: SonOfLiberty (#43)
Any early 40 year old who isn't rushing out to meet up with a hottie, is already a member of the walking dead.
#50. To: abraxas (#49)
My point of argument with Turtle is that the girl in this tall tale was no "hottie" and most likely not even a "warmie"....
#51. To: Cynicom, Turtle (#48)
Just off phone with Obama...
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#52. To: Turtle (#50)
When I pointed her out to a friend of mine, he said, "Oh God, Oh God no! This is NOT fair!"
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#53. To: abraxas (#49)
to 5am just before he needs to go drive the school bus
#54. To: James Deffenbach (#52)
Why, did she have more butt than Michelle Obama?
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
I am sure you stressed that we wanted it done in a more or less humane way, right?
#56. To: Cynicom, James Deffenbach (#55)
I had visions of Peace in the Ozarks, with Turtle gone.
#57. To: PSUSA (#22)
And women were raised to appreciate it, and to CONTRIBUTE TO THEIR PART in the relationship. They don't appreciate it anymore. So why should I or any other man bother? They can open their own doors, thank you very much. Instead of seeing it as a courtesy, they see it as entitlement due them simply because they were born with a vagina.
#58. To: Samuel Gray (#25)
I have not yet accepted the axiom of my younger, much more cynical, politically incorrect brother who has said since his first divorce that "if they didn't have pussies, there'd be a hunting season on 'em," but it is coming to mind more often these days.
#59. To: christine (#24)
#60. To: christine (#58)
#61. To: Turtle (#54)
is prettier than this one you were almost hot for, or would have been if you weren't too old?
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#62. To: Cynicom (#55)
Uhhh, well, ahhh, cant say as I did.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#63. To: purplerose (#57)
I know there are gentlemen out there that appreciate being seen with a woman who dresses like a woman and acts like one!
#64. To: Turtle (#47)
I still remember the name of the street is was on.
#65. To: Turtle (#53)
#66. To: purplerose (#57)
But I'm not going to give up because I know there are gentlemen out there that appreciate being seen with a woman who dresses like a woman and acts like one!
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#67. To: Turtle (#50)
When I pointed her out to a friend of mine, he said, "Oh God, Oh God no! This is NOT fair!"
#68. To: abraxas (#67)
That was your blind friend. He was talking about you stealing his cane.
#69. To: abraxas (#67)
He was talking about you stealing his cane.
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#70. To: James Deffenbach (#69)
Not to mention his good and faithful seeing-eye dog, the one he had had for years.
#71. To: abraxas (#49)
(Edited)
An early 40's man is more discriminating than the 20 year old man.
#72. To: purplerose (#57)
After we had our meal, the waitress came by and asked who was going to treat for dinner? When my date said he was buying, the waitress replied to me in this sarcastic manner, "Oh my...how nice of him to treat you." And then this waitress gave me this really snotty smirk.
#73. To: Lod (#72)
That would have killed her tip had I been the guy.
#74. To: Lod (#72)
That would have killed her tip had I been the guy.
#75. To: SonOfLiberty (#73)
If you don't tip, sometimes the staff thinks you forgot, because sometimes people do. When you tip 2 red cents, it lets them know you remembered and that you dislike their service/attitude.
#76. To: Cynicom (#74)
#77. To: Lod (#76)
Had I your coin, I'd just burn mine. ;-)
#78. To: purplerose (#57)
And because of your way of thinking this way, it is why women like myself remain single because we refuse to marry a man who does not respect us (at least me for that matter).
#79. To: PSUSA, purplerose, 4 (#78)
#80. To: Turtle (#0)
And they never showed any friendliness toward guys, just the attitude they were supposed to sit there saying nothing and guys were supposed to approach them.
#81. To: PSUSA (#6)
But their mistake is thinking that I want them
#82. To: Turtle, all (#0)
#83. To: abraxas (#82)
#84. To: irishthatcherite (#81)
That's something that occurred to me too, us men are told by modern social convention not to make our interest in any given woman "obvious", that she'll see you coming a mile off, and that is somehow a bad thing.. but, I was tying myself in knots a while ago trying to figure out how to talk to a woman w/o making my interest "obvious".... but I think your comment turns that on it's head - it's not that a man can appear "obvious", it's that many women assume that a man trying to have a conversation with her is 'trying it on'.
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