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Title: NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"
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URL Source: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/ ... 5e17bf38ee9a3b&showtopic=20178
Published: Aug 8, 2010
Author: rob balsamo
Post Date: 2010-08-16 14:30:37 by wudidiz
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NASA Flight Director Confirms 9/11 Aircraft Speed As The "Elephant In The Room"


06/22/2010 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org)

Recently Pilots For 9/11 Truth have analyzed the speeds reported for the aircraft utilized on 9/11. Numerous aviation experts have voiced their concerns regarding the extremely excessive speeds reported above Maximum Operating for the 757 and 767, particularly, United and American Airlines 757/767 Captains who have actual flight time in all 4 aircraft reportedly used on 9/11. These experts state the speeds are impossible to achieve near sea level in thick air if the aircraft were a standard 757/767 as reported. Combined with the fact the airplane which was reported to strike the south tower of the World Trade Center was also producing high G Loading while turning and pulling out from a dive, the whole issue becomes incomprehensible to fathom a standard 767 can perform such maneuvers at such intense speeds exceeding Maximum Operating limits of the aircraft. Especially for those who research the topic thoroughly and have expertise in aviation.

Co-Founder of Pilots For 9/11 Truth Rob Balsamo recently interviewed a former NASA Flight Director in charge of flight control systems at the NASA Dryden Flight Research facility who is also speaking out after viewing the latest presentation by Pilots For 9/11 Truth - "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Retired NASA Senior Executive Dwain Deets published his concerns on the matter at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) as follows:


A Responsibility to Explain an Aeronautical Improbability
Dwain Deets
NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (Senior Executive Service - retired)
AIAA Associate Fellow

The airplane was UA175, a Boeing 767-200, shortly before crashing into World Trade Center Tower 2. Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots. The possibilities as I see them are: (1) this wasn’t a standard 767-200; (2) the radar data was compromised in some manner; (3) the NTSB analysis was erroneous; or (4) the 767 flew well beyond its flight envelope, was controllable, and managed to hit a relatively small target. Which organization has the greater responsibility for acknowledging the elephant in the room? The NTSB, NASA, Boeing, or the AIAA? Have engineers authored papers, but the AIAA or NASA won’t publish them? Or, does the ethical responsibility lie not with organizations, but with individual aeronautical engineers? Have engineers just looked the other way?


The above entry remained at the moderated AIAA Aerospace America Forum for approximately two weeks before being removed without explanation. Click "Who is Ethically Responsible" submitted by Dwain Deets at the Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum for discussion on this entry at AIAA.

Dwain Deets credentials and experience are as follows:

Dwain Deets
MS Physics, MS Eng
Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center
Served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden
Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award
Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988)
Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics
Associate Fellow - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA)
Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000
Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems
- Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers
Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology
37 year NASA career


It is established based on corroborated expert statements, raw data, and precedent, that the extremely excessive speed reported for the 9/11 aircraft is truly the "Elephant In The Room" and needs to be thoroughly investigated.

For summary of speed analysis, please see article 9/11: Speeds Reported For World Trade Center Attack Aircraft Analyzed.

To view the scene from "9/11: World Trade Center Attack" analyzing the reported speeds in more detail, please click here.

For full detailed analysis covering the events which took place in New York City on September 11, 2001, interviews with experts, including analysis of "Hijacker" pilot skill, Black Box recovery and more... please view the latest presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, "9/11: World Trade Center Attack".

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has also analyzed Flight Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack and the events in Shanksville, PA. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html for full member list.

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#1. To: wudidiz (#0)

Are these speeds actually impossible to attain, or merely ill-advised for anyone hoping to use the airplane again?

Shoonra  posted on  2010-08-16   16:32:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Shoonra (#1)

What's being stated here is that the 767 will not attain level flight speed of 410 knots at near sea level. That's about .7 mach. This aircraft will do .83 mach at altitude (30,000 feet), but at sea level it maxes out at about .33.

(Used the speed of sound here to cancel out all the mph, kph, knots confusion,)

randge  posted on  2010-08-16   22:26:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: randge (#4) (Edited)

What's being stated here is that the 767 will not attain level flight speed of 410 knots at near sea level. That's about .7 mach. This aircraft will do .83 mach at altitude (30,000 feet), but at sea level it maxes out at about .33.

I am still confused. Does "not attain ... at near sea level" mean that, if the plane does attain .7 mach at a much higher altitude it cannot keep that speed if it descends suddenly? Is it impossible that those planes attained high speed at their optimum altitudes and then descended at the same (or nearly) high speed? After all, the hijacker pilots were not concerned with keeping the planes usable for future flights.

Shoonra  posted on  2010-08-17   10:33:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Shoonra, randge, all (#21)

I am still confused. Does "not attain ... at near sea level" mean that, if the plane does attain .7 mach at a much higher altitude it cannot keep that speed if it descends suddenly? Is it impossible that those planes attained high speed at their optimum altitudes and then descended at the same (or nearly) high speed? After all, the hijacker pilots were not concerned with keeping the planes usable for future flights.

Reasonable question.

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-17   12:36:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: wudidiz, Shoonra, all (#22)

I believe the assertion here, although I've only had time to scan this thing briefly, is that while the aircraft in question can take lots more acceleration than the rates maximums at various altitudes, plane may not be controllable over the rated speed for a given height.

randge  posted on  2010-08-17   13:04:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: randge, wudidiz, christine, all (#23)

I believe the assertion here, although I've only had time to scan this thing briefly, is that while the aircraft in question can take lots more acceleration than the rates maximums at various altitudes, plane may not be controllable over the rated speed for a given height.

The controlability issue is correct, relative to high speeds - if such is possible, at the given altitude. Even at 250 Knots, it would be difficult to hit the towers - especially on the first pass.

The actual speed is unimportant - the issue is often used as a disinformationist distraction. At the WTC, there is more than enough forensic evidence of the aircraft, but the trend is to avoid the issues of the faked crashes at the Pentagon & Shanksville.

Those dogs don't hunt, even for a legitimate second.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2010-08-20   22:46:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#25. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

glad to see you back again SKY.

Itistoolate  posted on  2010-08-20 22:51:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: SKYDRIFTER, randge, wudidiz, christine, all (#24)

Good to see your voice again.

One thing I have toyed with in trying to solve the puzzle of 911 is how the aircraft were controlled and the maneuvers that were conducted.

The question, and it is an open question, is that given much planning obviously went into this PsyOp, and that all of the planes at one time or another "disappeared" from Radar is could they have had specially modified planes standing by to replace the real planes in order to be able to do what was observed?

I don't venture that thought lightly and it is an attempt to account for all the data. The magnitude and scale of the event does not put it out of the question. You just have to think big enough to encompass it.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-08-20 23:15:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

but the trend is to avoid the issues of the faked crashes at the Pentagon & Shanksville.

Those dogs don't hunt, even for a legitimate second.

Really????

Cynicom  posted on  2010-08-20 23:42:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: SKYDRIFTER (#24)

Good to see you posting here. :-)

wudidiz  posted on  2010-08-21 00:39:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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