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Title: Arizona's illegal immigrants can easily avoid E-verify system
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URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic ... od-e-verify.html#ixzz0wsCs4D9Y
Published: Aug 17, 2010
Author: Jahna Berry
Post Date: 2010-08-17 10:55:30 by Red Jones
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Arizona's illegal immigrants can easily avoid E-verify system by Jahna Berry - Aug. 17, 2010 12:00 AM The Arizona Republic Companies have opportunities to make sure they aren't hiring illegal immigrants. Prospective hires must show proper identification, and they must submit U.S. government-required paperwork. Under Arizona law, new hires must be vetted by E-Verify, a federal system designed to catch illegal-immigrant workers. But there are many ways for unauthorized workers to slip through the cracks. It's not hard, experts say, for an illegal immigrant with high-quality fake identification to collect a paycheck. An undocumented worker could remain on a company's payroll a few days or indefinitely, especially if he or she uses a matching name and Social Security number taken from a friend or relative, or stolen. How can this happen? Among the reasons: Most hiring staffers aren't fake-ID experts. The state's push to use E-Verify has had limited success. Identity theft isn't always detected immediately. Surprise federal audits can't reach every business. Because the existing safeguards can't stop every illegal worker, the risk of getting caught is the greatest deterrent for workers or employers who may want to skirt the rules. Intense anti-illegal-immigration politics in Arizona and increased scrutiny from law enforcement may have made applicants and companies less willing to take chances, some employment experts say. Employers in middle Arizona, home to as many as 460,000 undocumented immigrants, has become the center of a national debate about illegal immigration. Much of the debate has focused on employment because most border-crossers come to the U.S. looking for jobs. Many employers are now so worried about inviting attention from regulators that even law-abiding companies are unwilling to talk openly about their efforts to avoid hiring undocumented workers. A firm with the best practices may inadvertently hire an illegal immigrant, and companies don't want to risk fines or other penalties, say attorneys who represent local employers. "There is no way to completely, 100 percent, prevent workers who are not authorized to work in the United States from being on the payroll," said Christy Hubbard, attorney at Phoenix's Lewis & Roca LLP. "There's just not." "The reason why," Hubbard added, "is that people have documents that make them look like they are authorized to work." In April, Pro's Ranch Market fired 300 Phoenix workers after an audit by Immigration and Customs Enforcement found that they were working in the country illegally. The supermarket followed the law in asking their new hires to verify their eligibility to work, but most of the 300 workers gave the company forged ID documents, the company said. Employers face a legal tightrope in trying to avoid hiring illegal immigrants without violating workers' civil rights, said Julie Pace, an immigration attorney who has represented Pro's Ranch Market and other Arizona employers. "There are all of these (anti-)discrimination rules that people don't realize" are out there, Pace added. Required documents When an applicant lands a job offer, employers require their new employees to fill out paperwork that could weed out undocumented workers. All new hires must complete an I-9 form, or Employment Eligibility Verification form, as required by the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act. The form is filled out on the first day of work, and the employee must supply supporting documents - driver's license, Social Security card, passport or a combination of other documents - within three business days. Employers only need to be reasonably sure the documents are authentic. Human-resource staffers may catch some fakes, but they are not trained document experts, said Ryan Adair, an attorney with the non-profit Mountain States Employers Council Inc. Employers don't have to buy special equipment to verify that documents aren't faked. "You don't have to buy a black light, you don't have to fingerprint the person or anything like that," Adair said. E-Verify screening The Legal Arizona Workers Act, which took effect Jan. 1, 2008, aimed to help close some of those loopholes. The state law requires that all Arizona employers use the federal government's E-Verify system to check new hires. It takes seconds to check a new hire's immigration status on E-Verify, a secure electronic database that combines information from several federal agencies. If E-Verify cannot immediately verify that the new hire is eligible to work in the United States, the worker can choose to dispute that finding and has eight business days to appeal with federal officials. The Arizona law also includes tough penalties for people who knowingly hire illegal workers, including the loss of their business license. E-Verify does a good job detecting workers who use made-up Social Security numbers. But it has trouble flagging workers who use stolen documents. If the new worker provides a name and Social Security number that match, the system won't know that they don't actually belong to the applicant. Workers may use identities stolen from strangers or may provide a real name and number "borrowed" from a legal worker they know. In addition, an Arizona Republic analysis of E-Verify figures found that about one-third of the state's estimated 100,000 employers have signed up for the E-Verify program. And the most recent federal hiring data suggests that many new Arizona hires aren't being checked by E-Verify. Arizona employers made 732,455 E-Verify checks from Oct. 1, 2008, to Sept. 30, 2009. During that same period, Arizona companies made 1.3 million hires, according to U.S. Census figures. Officials from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services say that it's impossible to tell how many Arizona firms are using E-Verify. Some firms have out-of-state human-resources or payroll departments, so their E-Verify check may be credited to another state. Other experts say that small businesses, which employ many Arizona workers, have been slow to use E-Verify. Identity-theft tips After a new hire is on the payroll, it's usually another government agency that alerts a company that it might have an unauthorized worker, said Pace, the Phoenix immigration-law attorney. Sometimes a police agency is investigating an identity-theft case. At other times, the Arizona Department of Economic Security or the Internal Revenue Service may come calling. Often victims learn that their identity was stolen after they are turned down for welfare benefits or the IRS questions them about extra income. The Social Security Administration may send a "no match" letter to a company if payroll tax information reveals that names on its payroll don't match Social Security numbers. But it's common for legal workers to have names that don't exactly match their Social Security number. Most of the 17.8 million discrepancies in the agency's records pertain to legal workers, according to federal figures. And employment lawyers say the Social Security Administration doesn't always send letters when it finds discrepancies. They also say that if someone without documents uses a real person's name and Social Security number, the agency would have trouble discerning that type of identity theft. Watchdog climate Despite the loopholes in the system, the intense scrutiny on employers and Arizona's anti-immigration climate has made it tougher for undocumented workers to stay on the books. Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has made nearly 40 worksite raids as part of employer-sanctions enforcement. Since the raids began, more than 400 employees have been arrested; 278 have faced identity-theft charges. Also, Immigration and Customs Enforcement is conducting more surprise I-9 company audits. Under the Obama administration, ICE has more funding for worksite audits, said Matthew Allen, the special agent who oversees the program in Arizona. Instead of having eight agents and one auditor working on Arizona cases, the agency now has four additional auditors, he said. From Oct. 1, 2007, to Sept. 30, 2008, there were 15 Arizona worksite audits. From Oct. 1 to July 31, there were 59. "I would say for the foreseeable future, Arizona employers should take it as a given that they are more likely than in the past to be subject to an ICE worksite enforcement audit," Allen said. Audits can lead to civil penalties, from a warning for minor paperwork glitches to fines for more serious offenses. In its 2008 and 2009 fiscal years, ICE collected $205,000 in civil fines from audited businesses. Egregious acts, such as conspiring to hire illegal workers, can lead to criminal charges and time behind bars. For example, a Sierra Vista drywall firm's office manager was sentenced to two months in prison in 2008 for knowingly hiring unauthorized workers. The firm's president, Ivan T. Hardt, is awaiting trial. The increased scrutiny from regulators has prompted many companies to do periodic checks to ensure that that their workers' hiring paperwork is in order, attorneys say. There are also signs that other laws that target illegal immigrants, such as the state's new immigration law, and the state's anti-illegal immigrant climate may have made working here less attractive for immigrants. In July, U.S. District Court Judge Susan Bolton blocked key provisions of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect, including one that compelled officers engaged in a lawful stop, detention or arrest to, when practicable, ask about a person's legal status when reasonable suspicion exists that the person is in the U.S. illegally. Even though parts of the law are in flux, thousands of immigrants have fled recession-battered Arizona for other states. Immigrant-rights activists say those leaving Arizona seek a less-hostile political atmosphere and what brought them to the United States in the first place - better job opportunities. Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/08/17/20100817arizona-illegal-immigrants-aviod-e-verify.html#ixzz0wsCs4D9Y
Poster Comment: employers are not even required by law to use the e-verify system. and what we've learned now is that the e-verify system is not reliable. Lots of illegals are able to beat it with their fake documents. I've been on the job-sites and I've seen the fake documents they have and I've talked to them about it. The employers too know that the documents are fake. There's construction companies that have thousands of employees with half of them illegal. it is completely normal. the only other time I've read an article that says illegals can easily work in our economy it was in the wall street journal back in 1986 when they openly said that the immigration reform bill just passed would result in huge illegal immigration. We understand it to be normal that our mass media deceives us. All this time since 1986 and still to this day our people are ignorant and not understanding that illegals are welcomed into our workforce by the employers who are not penalized for hiring them. Regardless of the deception from the media, I am very disappointed and let-down by my fellow Americans that they are so ignorant on this issue. I can't stand to see these mindless robots who are my fellow citizens that cheer for an army on the border and think that this is some solution. That is a solution brought forth by the Republicans who also brought for the illegal immigrant invasion. where I differ from many of you is that I agree with Ronald Reagan that we should let people stay here who have come here and worked a job. But I disagree with almost everybody in america in that I think the employers should be forced to hire free citizens only and I am opposed to guest workers. Many americans favor guest workers. As bad as our economy is, they want guest workers. it seems that employers can be audited and the government can determine who is legal or not. I suggest that our federal government should do that routinely with all employers and frequently too. and I suggest this is a lot more cost effective than putting an army of border patrol agents up to stretch 2,000 miles. With a solid wall of Border Patrol police for 2,000 miles the illegals will just tunnel under. and when they get here they'll buy fake documents inexpensively that authorize them to work in our economy. and everyone will wave their flags and say that we won. then we will marvel at how we just plain can't manage our affairs.
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it is downright ugly for the washington government to sue arizona over arizona's law. because arizona's laws do nothing special. The federal government itself has a bureaucracy named ICE that boards greyhound buses traveling interstate and look for illegal immigrants. They check people's papers and deport them if they don't have things in order. Arizona was simply prompting local police to try to enforce federal law. and for this arizona is sued. your typical Obama supporter is psychotic. All the sane Obama supporters no longer support him. Obama supporters are generally opposed to borders and would like immigration to be unlimited. this is my experience with them. Obama has such an opportunity to win support with the voters on illegal immigration. If he would merely pursue the prescription that Ronald Reagan advised, to simultaneously have an amnesty and also change the policy to stop employers from hiring them, then Americans would really love that. But he won't do it. He's pursuing the exact end result that republicans are pursuing - guest workers. By pursuing dysfunctionalism he is pursuing guest workers that are presented as an answer. The guest workers will be like slaves among us. It will divide us and drive wages down. We will not benefit at all.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
You have to do both if you want to stop trafficking in human slaves. Too often, people make the mistake of thinking "this or that" when in reality the solution is often "this AND that AND the other thing too". The "big thing" is to sanction employers and start locking them up. Corporate Officers can be held responsible for the actions of the company. Joe Arpaio would love an excuse to build another tent city. In a capitalist nation, people tend to gravitate toward that which they excel. This would simply be a good use of resources to let Arpaio do what he does best. As much as racial profiling should not be, someone who doesn't speak English but does speak fluent Spanish (or a Mayan dialect) trying to pass themselves off as "Charles Martel of France" ought to raise eyebrows. Common sense would dictate that something is not right about that situation, but Anti-Discrimination Law has made Common Sense illegal.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
Joe Arpaio has been our sheriff in Maricopa County for over 18 years now. He has almost 2 years yet to serve on his term. He's been a disaster. People do like that he is willing to figure out ways to kick illegals out and he does that. But it has a very small impact what he does. The problem with Arpaio is that he is very divisive. He causes racial conflict. He also is very disrespectful to the prisoners. One time he put a web camera up so that when new arrivals to the tent city jail would go to the bathroom they would be broadcast on the internet actually using the rest room. Arpaio had the privacy stalls removed in the bathroom, he had the door removed to the bathroom. when somebody used the toilet it would be broadcast on the internet. Joe Arpaio indoctrinates his detention officers to treat the prisoners like garbage. and this has cost tens of millions of dollars in court settlements. There's been some spectacular cases. Arpaio also believe in very expensive jails, the jails he builds are super-expensive. Arpaio also wastes a lot of money in other ways. Once he transported a prisoner to and from California by means of a helicopter where he could've used the normal transport systems at a small fraction of the cost. But Arpaio found a way to bill the prisoner for the cost and so he ran the cost up to over a hundred thousand dollars by using helicopters for transport, all so he could present the bill to the prisoner. Arpaio has inspired hatred from the immigrant population. Arpaio has engaged in these wars with other county officials where huge amounts of money are wasted. Arpaio hired 3 different law firms to represent him in his suits against other officials and these lawyers were charging very high fees. Lots of expenses are just manufactured by Arpaio. and nobody has any control over him. the board of supervisors tell him to not spend money foolishly and he persists, very arrogantly snubbing his nose at other elected officials who have a job to do. Arpaio is just a complete idiot in reality. He is a puppet of the people that rule us. The divisive nature of this individual is valuable to those who rule us.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
http://clnet.ucr.edu/research/docs/struggle/aztlan.htm The first of the two documents presented here, El Plan de Aztlan was adopted at the first National Chicano Youth Liberation Conference in Denver, Colorado, March 1969. The plan presented for the first time a clear statement of the growing nationalist consciousness of the Chicano people. It raised the concept of Aztlan,* a Chicano nation, and the need for Chicano control of the Chicano community. Referring to the Democratic and Republican parties as "the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough," the plan pointed out that to achieve the goal of self-determination, would require an independent political party with Raza nationalism as its "common denominator." In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza to do. Fuera de La Raza nada. Program El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztlan, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control of our barrios, campos, pueblos, lands, our economy, our culture, and our political life. El Plan commits all levels of Chicano society - the barrio, the campo, the ranchero, the writer, the teacher, the worker, the professional - to La Causa. Nationalism Nationalism as the key to organization transcends all religious, political, class, and economic factions or boundaries. Nationalism is the common denominator that all members of La Raza can agree upon. Organizational Goals 1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional-all committed to the liberation of La Raza. 2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units. 3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs. 4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people. 5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the camp os, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts. 6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood. 7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through independent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza! Action 1. Awareness and distribution of El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan. Presented at every meeting, demonstration, confrontation, courthouse, institution, administration, church, school, tree, building, car, and every place of human existence. 2. September 16, on the birthdate of Mexican Independence, a national walk-out by all Chicanos of all colleges and schools to be sustained until the complete revision of the educational system: its policy makers, administration, its curriculum, and its personnel to meet the needs of our community. 3. Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child. 4. Community nationalization and organization of all Chicanos: El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan. 5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort. 6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party. A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat. El Plan de Aztlan is the plan of liberation!
These days if you're a black person and object to being exterminated by Hispanics in Los Angeles, you are being "racially divisive". Here's the dirty secret. Racism can only exist in "diverse" societies. It is the ONLY way that discrimination based on "color" can exist. Most of our so-called "discrimination" lawsuits are complete and utter BS and should be thrown out of court immediately. Everyone likes to cite "Jim Crow" which was only the case in one part of the country and was Government Sponsored Racism. Institutional racism no longer exists. Now, unless we are going to start permitting lawsuits when a person of African Heritage is turned down for a date by someone of Swedish Heritage, the whole thing is a crock of crap and is these days just an industry to keep money flowing to loudmouths. There is actually so little "racism" in society that people would lose their jobs if they didn't create it. Thus, a significant fraction of "hate crimes" are actually stunts pulled by the purported "victims". If we wanted to get rid of absolutely all forms of racism whatsoever, we would do away with racial preferences, self-segregated housing on college campuses (like the 'black' dorms), "Hispanic Graduations" in High Schools, "Native American Cultural Centers" that are ONLY for those with a BIA card on college campuses, etc. When do we start?
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
Arpaio furthers the agenda of La Raza & those who support Aztlan. He causes those causes to gain many supporters. he also further develops the 2-party mindset where many people will vote democrat no matter what, mindlessly, just because Arpaio is (or was) a republican. You see the effects of Arpaio will long outlive his service as sheriff. he is very divisive.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Does anyone have a rational answer? In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán. For La Raza to do. Fuera de La Raza nada. El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztlán, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control of our barrios, campos, pueblos, lands, our economy, our culture, and our political life. El Plan commits all levels of Chicano society - the barrio, the campo, the ranchero, the writer, the teacher, the worker, the professional - to La Causa. Nationalism as the key to organization transcends all religious, political, class, and economic factions or boundaries. Nationalism is the common denominator that all members of La Raza can agree upon. 1. UNITY in the thinking of our people concerning the barrios, the pueblo, the campo, the land, the poor, the middle class, the professional- all committed to the liberation of La Raza. 2. ECONOMY: economic control of our lives and our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our communities, our pueblos, and our lands and by controlling and developing our own talents, sweat, and resources. Cultural background and values which ignore materialism and embrace humanism will contribute to the act of cooperative buying and the distribution of resources and production to sustain an economic base for healthy growth and development Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and defended. Land and realty ownership will be acquired by the community for the people's welfare. Economic ties of responsibility must be secured by nationalism and the Chicano defense units. 3. EDUCATION must be relative to our people, i.e., history, culture, bilingual education, contributions, etc. Community control of our schools, our teachers, our administrators, our counselors, and our programs. 4. INSTITUTIONS shall serve our people by providing the service necessary for a full life and their welfare on the basis of restitution, not handouts or beggar's crumbs. Restitution for past economic slavery, political exploitation, ethnic and cultural psychological destruction and denial of civil and human rights. Institutions in our community which do not serve the people have no place in the community. The institutions belong to the people. 5. SELF-DEFENSE of the community must rely on the combined strength of the people. The front line defense will come from the barrios, the campos, the pueblos, and the ranchitos. Their involvement as protectors of their people will be given respect and dignity. They in turn offer their responsibility and their lives for their people. Those who place themselves in the front ranks for their people do so out of love and carnalismo. Those institutions which are fattened by our brothers to provide employment and political pork barrels for the gringo will do so only as acts of liberation and for La Causa. For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency, but revolutionary acts. 6. CULTURAL values of our people strengthen our identity and the moral backbone of the movement. Our culture unites and educates the family of La Raza towards liberation with one heart and one mind. We must insure that our writers, poets, musicians, and artists produce literature and art that is appealing to our people and relates to our revolutionary culture. Our cultural values of life, family, and home will serve as a powerful weapon to defeat the gringo dollar value system and encourage the process of love and brotherhood. 7. POLITICAL LIBERATION can only come through indepen-dent action on our part, since the two-party system is the same animal with two heads that feed from the same trough. Where we are a majority, we will control; where we are a minority, we will represent a pressure group; nationally, we will represent one party: La Familia de La Raza! Action 1. Awareness and distribution of El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán. Presented at every meeting, demonstration, confrontation, courthouse, institution, administration, church, school, tree, building, car, and every place of human existence. 2. September 16, on the birthdate of Mexican Independence, a national walk-out by all Chicanos of all colleges and schools to be sustained until the complete revision of the educational system: its policy makers, administration, its curriculum, and its personnel to meet the needs of our community. 3. Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child. 4. Community nationalization and organization of all Chicanos: El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán. 5. Economic program to drive the exploiter out of our community and a welding together of our people's combined resources to control their own production through cooperative effort. 6. Creation of an independent local, regional, and national political party. A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat. El Plan de Aztlán is the plan of liberation!
Does anyone have a rational answer? In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán. For La Raza to do. Fuera de La Raza nada. El Plan Espiritual de Aztlán sets the theme that the Chicanos (La Raza de Bronze) must use their nationalism as the key or common denominator for mass mobilization and organization. Once we are committed to the idea and philosophy of El Plan de Aztlán, we can only conclude that social, economic, cultural, and political independence is the only road to total liberation from oppression, exploitation, and racism. Our struggle then must be for the control
Joe Arpaio is actually causing racism. he is prompting the emerging majority (mexicans) to be racist against the group that will be the minority (whites). This is our reality in Arizona. So many of my fellow Americans cheer for our destruction by supporting Arpaio. Believe me, Arpaio is not a good guy. I voted for him the first half of his career as sheriff, not the 2'nd half. Arpaio galvanizes the mexicans and causes a strong determination in them to persecute against whites. only a fool says this is good. in the 2008 election Arpaio still won about 65% of the vote. he's very popular.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The programs I posted above want nothing less than to annex parts of the American South West. What's more racist than an illegal invasion with the goal of land acquisition for Mexico?
Doesn't Affirmative Action where the Mexicans get "preferences" versus Whites cause backlash as well? As you say, there is an emergent Hispanic Majority in Arizona. So of course they should get top billing and everyone else gets scraps because in the US these recent immigrants were discriminated against in the 19th Century, back before the ancestors of these Mexicans ever arrived. Makes sense, doesn't it? A "fresh off the boat" (so to speak) immigrant gets put to the front of the line BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR AND NATIONAL ORIGIN ALONE - in violation of the 14th Amendment. Is that not divisive? Don't all the Hispanic groups just love that kind of thing? Just who is causing hate and discontent again? Its like an onion. Peel one layer away and find another.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
www.ice.gov/pi/news/newsr...articles/070309tucson.htm here's a case showing how a drywall contractor was taken down by ICE for hiring illegals. This type of hiring practice is ubiquitous in the arizona construction industry. I wish that law enforcement would look at all of them and similarly throw people in jail who hire illegals. That is the strategy I like. so there are penalties per the law if you hire illegals. Its just very hard to get caught. I contend that the government is engaged in token enforcement.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I doubt one person here would disagree. The issue is multifaceted. For the protection of a nation, a protected border is a necessity. Would you agree? If yes, the question is how and when do we secure it.
I agree. Or rather, they are involved in "Headline Enforcement". Raids always make good headlines and show they are "doing something". Justifies inflated budgets. Allows for awards dinners. Makes everyone "feel good". For the other 99%, its business as usual...
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
I don't think that affirmative action even applies from a practical point of view. the enforcement of civil rights laws has changed dramatically since the 1970's. I can state with certainty that today there is massive persecution against Americans in the field work of the construction industry. it is a very racist atmosphere. I think this atmosphere of racism is made worse by our failure to deal with the illegal immigrant issue. We cause the mexicans to be agitated, but we do not kick them out. not only that we refuse to stop new illegal immigrants from coming. we're building an atmosphere of racism against Americans here in Arizona. In Tucson they have a big school district that has developed a curriculum that is racist. In that school district about 3-4 months ago some high school students put together a skit to express themselves on immigration issues. and in that skit they called for the death of an elected official, I think maybe the governor. they were portraying an answer to the problems and said that death of this official would be good. also, we have local schools where english speaking children are forced to speak spanish (if they want an education). all the instruction in some schools is in spanish. there are english speaking children who must learn spanish from scratch just to understand the teacher. That is, they have schools where 100% of the instruction is in spanish. We have other schools that speak spanish in the morning and english in the afternoon. The spanish speaking immigrants all voluntarily learn english (if they can). It is literally true that the natives here are the ones being forced to speak a different language.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I agree with that. we need a border, we need to guard the border. I agree with Ronald Reagan who said that a nation without a border is not a nation. I disagree with the psychotic liberals who say it is racist to have a border. I just don't think that beefing up the border patrol as is being spoken about is an answer. The illegals will come through tunnels if the border is heavily guarded. it is far more economical to audit all of the employers to see who they are employing. Ronald Reagan also ridiculed the idea that we put a huge wall on the border. he said that would offend the mexicans and we shouldn't do it.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
you are right. and it is obnoxious that La Raza feels that way. It is obnoxious that some educators give credibility to La raza's view. It is obnoxious that many ethnic mexicans feel that way too.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
Begging your pardon, sir, but does not an official Government Policy that says "if you have more melanin, you go to the front of the line" play into practical every-day life? Try applying to a top college without having a Race Card to play. You don't get in. It does very much fit into practical every day life. Keep in mind, per the Government, the Mexicans who pull schenanigans at construction sites as you say cannot be racists because they are "protected minorities" and Government officials who are on the lookout for racism will turn a blind eye due to their Protected Status. Thus protected, they can get away with anything they so choose. AZ does have problems in the schools and they do need to deal with it. However, since this is a "protected minority" we are talking about, the Federal Government will step in and put a halt to it. The atmosphere of racism comes from Government inaction and Government policy and Government rules. There is an old saying that the best way to get rid of a bad law is to strictly enforce it. Lets start enforcing the law and see what happens.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
you make good points in that post. the government itself turns a blind eye to racist persecution of americans that is from the mexicans and very common in our economy. The mexicans do feel entitled, in part by the la raza type mentality. On American standards they are routinely racist. and yet on american standards we can't say they are racist.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
The good sheriff does sound borderline nut-job.
Great tag line.
Arpaio is indeed a degenerate jackboot. he has violated the civil rights of many & settlements prove that. your post on arpaio is spot on, since you actually are familiar with him and not just the sound bytes. i researched him years ago & posted it all on LP. i wish i could find those posts. i know arpaio has also publicly endorsed pro open border candidates.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 Who's this "we" Kimo Sabe? I can say that any member or sympathizer of La Raza is racist because it's the truth.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. Correct, and only the "politically incorrect" will make the proper accusation of ethnocentrism and racism.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
You recommend the more domestically intrusive action. You're not called "Red" for nuthin'! I suggest this is a lot more cost effective than putting an army of border patrol agents up to stretch 2,000 miles. Mines are cheaper.
Nobody hates their own race. Ask them what race they belong to.
I'm glad that Artisan on this page agreed with me concerning arpaio. Arpaio is bad news in reality. see this picture. Those are prisoners in their underwear, barefoot even. they're tied together at their wrists and they are being transported from one prison facility to another prison facility. They have to walk about 4 blocks some of which is on open city streets like that to get to their destination. Once on the front page it had a picture of prisoners being transported exactly like that except they were running. They were made almost naked, tied together and made to run outdoors by the guards. I would imagine it was a dangerous practice, somebody got hurt and they don't do it any more. because these guys in the picture are walking. but its not proper to make men get almost naked and then parade them around like that outdoors on public city streets. Once at a parade Sheriff Arpaio came in his big brown cadillac with the sheriff's office logo on it. he sat in the front passenger seat and had a chain in his hand. the chain led to the neck of a prisoner who was sitting on the back of the car and his legs dangling into the back seat. Everybody could see sheriff joe holding his hand up with the chain in his hand and leading his prisoner as if a roman general parading a slave in a parade. It was a parade with all kinds of participants going down Central Ave. Sheriff joe has really done a lot of screwed up things. He refused to pay time and a half overtime to his employees, just paid straight time for overtime hours. The federal government caught him and made him pay millions in back pay. Arpaio is currently under investigation by the Obama admin. My thinking on Arpaio is that he will ultimately be used to discredit the anti-illegal immigrant views of America. He's going to be found guilty in this investigation, removed from office, the media will drag his name in the mud, this will contribute to the grudges that many people have over politics, the mexicans will dance on his grave and use him as a boogey-man forever. he's a puppet. the people who rule us like it when we have grudges against each other, then they know what buttons to press to motivate us, they like it when we are divided. years ago we liked him when we heard about how inexpensive the meals were that he served to prisoners. But he doesn't feed people enough food to live on. A person who tries to live on what they're fed in that jail will definitely lose weight and in the long run will be considered under-nourished on our normal standards. But Arpaio does not save us money at all. The prisons he insists on are super-expensive compared to other county prisons. He's cost so much money with his petty bickering at other county officials. He actually has journalists followed who criticize him. he is kind of a nut.
Revelation 6:6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
I'm not sure what Joe sees is to our advantage to be-little, de-humanize, and otherwise degrade his prisoners. I just don't get it.
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The best guess I can make, and this is from talking to a lot of cops, is this. They don't like repeat customers and will do whatever it takes to make sure they don't see the same face twice. Making jail as unpleasant as possible puts the "I don't want to come back" into a convict's mind. If you think about it, being in prison is supposed to be a punishment, not "three hots and a cot with cable TV." For some convicts, that is a better life than they had on the outside. In rare cases, they ask the judges to let them stay because their life on the outside isn't as good. It does happen. This isn't to say I agree with what people do, it is to say that I understand the reasoning behind it.
Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"
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#2. To: Lod (#1)
#3. To: Red Jones (#0)
it seems that employers can be audited and the government can determine who is legal or not. I suggest that our federal government should do that routinely with all employers and frequently too. and I suggest this is a lot more cost effective than putting an army of border patrol agents up to stretch 2,000 miles.
#4. To: mirage (#3)
Joe Arpaio
#5. To: All (#4)
He (Arpaio) causes racial conflict.
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#6. To: Red Jones (#4)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
#8. To: All (#5)
The Mexicans in America are among the most nationalistic groups ever to have graced our shores. They demand - and get - free bi-lingual education at tax payer expense. lets not go further than that one point. Why in gods green earth should a immigrant group demand to be taught in their native tongue in America?
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#9. To: All (#5)
The Mexicans in America are among the most nationalistic groups ever to have graced our shores. They demand - and get - free bi-lingual education at tax payer expense. lets not go further than that one point. Why in gods green earth should a immigrant group demand to be taught in their native tongue in America?
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#10. To: mirage (#6)
When do we start?
#11. To: Red Jones (#10)
Joe Arpaio is actually causing racism. he is prompting the emerging majority (mexicans) to be racist against the group that will be the minority (whites).
#12. To: Red Jones (#10)
Arpaio galvanizes the mexicans and causes a strong determination in them to persecute against whites. only a fool says this is good.
#13. To: All (#0)
#14. To: Red Jones (#13)
here's a case showing how a drywall contractor was taken down by ICE for hiring illegals. This type of hiring practice is ubiquitous in the arizona construction industry. I wish that law enforcement would look at all of them and similarly throw people in jail who hire illegals. That is the strategy I like.
#15. To: Red Jones (#13)
I contend that the government is engaged in token enforcement.
#16. To: mirage (#12)
Doesn't Affirmative Action where the Mexicans get "preferences" versus Whites cause backlash as well?
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
protected border is a necessity. Would you agree?
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
annex parts of the American South West
#19. To: Red Jones (#16)
I don't think that affirmative action even applies from a practical point of view.
#20. To: mirage (#19)
#21. To: Red Jones (#4)
#22. To: mirage (#6)
#23. To: Red Jones (#4)
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#24. To: Red Jones (#20)
on american standards we can't say they are racist.
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#25. To: Red Jones (#20)
On American standards they are routinely racist. and yet on american standards we can't say they are racist.
#26. To: Red Jones (#0)
mindless robots who are my fellow citizens that cheer for an army on the border and think that this is some solution... it seems that employers can be audited and the government can determine who is legal or not. I suggest that our federal government should do that routinely with all employers and frequently too.
#27. To: Lod (#21)
#28. To: mirage, Red Jones, 4 (#3)
#29. To: Lod, 4 (#28)
#30. To: Lod, Red Jones (#28)
I'm not sure what Joe sees is to our advantage to be-little, de-humanize, and otherwise degrade his prisoners.
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