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Title: SC Mom Accused of Killing Sons Remorseful
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=11427289
Published: Aug 20, 2010
Author: By MEG KINNARD Associated Press Writer
Post Date: 2010-08-20 02:26:52 by HOUNDDAWG
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Views: 305
Comments: 37
SC mom accused of killing her 2 sons, staging accident The mother accused of suffocating her two young sons and trying to cover it up by staging an accident says she is remorseful and has been speaking with the family minister, her attorney said Wednesday. "She's tearful, as anybody would be under these circumstances," defense attorney Carl B. Grant said after a brief hearing. "She's been very sad, very remorseful about all of this stuff, all of the allegations." Orangeburg County Sheriff Larry Williams has said 29-year-old Shaquan Duley expressed little remorse when she confessed Monday to killing her two young sons, ages 2 years and 18 months. Duley, who is unemployed, told authorities she smothered the boys after a fight with her own mother, who badgered her about her failures as a parent and inability to provide for her family financially. She first told investigators the boys drowned after her car plunged into a river early Monday morning. "She truly felt, 'If I don't have these toddlers, I can be free,'" Williams said. About 80 relatives, friends and curious onlookers attended Wednesday's hearing, Duley's first court appearance since she was charged with two counts of murder. Her family has largely kept silent about her arrest, but before the hearing, her sister said she think Williams' portrayal of events has been fair. "I don't feel that he's dragging my sister through the mud," she said outside the home she shared with her mother, sister, niece and nephews. "I actually feel that he's speaking fairly compassionately on her part." Adriane Duley said her family has been too overwhelmed by the media attention to do day-to-day tasks such as taking out the trash or getting the mail let alone grieving and planning two funerals. "I've had enough," she said. "My family needs their privacy." Shaquan Duley's mother, Helen Duley, told a Columbia television station that her daughter is a loving person who became overwhelmed.
Poster Comment: Remember Susan Smith? The horror of what she did, releasing the brake and allowing her car and her kids to roll off a boat ramp still leaves me with ice crystals on my heart and a deep, aching sadness whenever I recall it or see her children's pictures. Unlike Shaquan Duley's babies Smith's children were still alive when she sent them into deep, dark cold water still strapped in their car seats. As awful as this may seem, I'm actually relieved that Ms. Duley suffocated hers before sending her car off a bridge into a river. She'll get life, too, and may even enjoy the company if not the sympathetic mentoring of the older and seasoned inmate, Smith. South Carolina is a tough place to be a poor baby, especially if Mom has issues. Perhaps Smith and Duley can start a movement and bring the spotlight to bear on the issues that compel young mothers to kill their children. Is it a cry for help that we don't hear? Do these crimes argue for more sex education or less? Do men with no use for ready made families (or girls who sweat excessively in places they shouldn't oughta) abet these murders with our conscience-free libidos? Susan Smith didn't blossom into a full figured gal until after she was jailed. It would appear from Duley's mugshots that had she succeeded in slipping the noose she would have had a long stretch of dieting ahead of her, if like Smith she did it so she might get herself a man. Which makes me wonder, is losing weight (Duley) or keeping it off (Smith) just expecting too much of moms with two babies? Could these four dead children be victims of a steady stream of images that foster low self esteem and steady diets of processed foods with high sugar content? Is it worth risking life in prison because some men believe that big girls are like mopeds?
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#1. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
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If this happened in California, the progressive evil ones in charge of my fair state would definitely say "more" is most definitely essential and necessary.
And, I believe we can safely assume that SC doesn't budget much money for sex ed in public schools in general, and nigra schools in particular. To the SC Legislature sex ed for darkies would be like throwing water on a magnesium fire. The duly elected "friends o' Jesus" would buy Bibles for blacks before condoms. After all, blacks don't use condoms so hopefully the fatal STDs will eventually kill those that survive their childhoods without being sunk into some body of water by their mothers, beaten to death by their Mamas' boyfriends or shot by other yewts who need to make names for themselves. It was said that blacks don't know what they're gonna do until 2 seconds before they do it. I don't know if it's true but if so it would explain a lot.
B.S. In California, taxpayers underwrite sex ed up the wazoo and in some counties from grade 1 up and still there's oodles of unwed adolescent mothers letting themselves be with child. The usual suspects get pregnant purposefully to get on the taxpayer supported welfare social services "bean" line.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Yeah right. Look up "ghetto loster". Here's a start: www.newnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74228 When I would go into their homes I would see a pot of water on their stoves, simmering. Nothing else but water, no pasta etc. It was common to see this. I never asked why they did this, but now I know. Perhaps scalding their hellspawn makes them remorseful too? Susan Smith is evil. This nigger-in-question is typically impulsive. WTF, it blamed its mother for it all. You can't compare the 2. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
B.S. In California, taxpayers underwrite sex ed up the wazoo and in some counties from grade 1 up and still there's oodles of unwed adolescent mothers letting themselves be with child. The usual suspects get pregnant purposefully to get on the taxpayer supported welfare social services "bean" line. Right.
What does race have to do with this murder case? Nothing. Your knee-jerk reaction to automatically assign blame to her race shows a shallow, simplistic, ignorant and narrow-minded mentality. It's boring and disappointing.
There is the "bozo" feature. Perhaps someone can show you how to use it? Because I will not tailor my posts to what has the wuddiz seal of approval. You don't like it, too bad. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
with all due respect to both parties of this point of contention, who i consider both friends, (internet friends, at least),i would like to bring up some points. instead of just suggesting that wud bozo you, psusa can address his points. does race include innate tendencies such as violence? i think certain traits may be along with races, yes. very vast topic. Is one race superior in the eyes of God? No, i disagree. Each human has a soul & free will, created in the image & likeness of God. This includes 'niggers, kikes, chinks, white trash, ragheads, Wops, etc.' aside, i see psusa's recent racialist posts as a somewhat new thing which i didn't notice in years past. i have no problem w/ separatists, although i am not one.. i respect each's right to conscience. but to contend that a race is 'sub human', i disagree. name calling doesnt bug me, as the PC Leftie type go hysterical over nonsense like that. to be honest, i find it comical when psusa & jethro rant about 'niggers', since ive seen plenty of them, (contd
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 posters have presented points at my request as to the race/ culture issue. is pigment the only difference in races? i dont think so. i am interested also in why psusa seemed to have shifted his target from pig cops to blacks. what history is there to warrant such a strong predominant focus of late? or was it there all along & i missed it? thx for the ear & input.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 WEll, after posting about 500 pigs on my blog that I don't update anymore, not to mention the ones posted here on this site, it gets old after a while. But just because I don't post on it much anymore doesn't mean I've changed my mind about pigs. I haven't. Pigs are just one facet of the problem. I have also said that if cops would confine themselves to getting the real criminals, the ones that harm people or property, I'd have no problem with them. There are real criminals out there and they have to be dealt with. But they insist on acting like assholes to everyone. AFA the Race Thing goes, I've always been that way to one degree or another, I just didn't emphasize it. Even when I was a little kid, one of my earliest memories was going shopping with my mom and grandmother. I saw a nigger and told them "Did you ever notice that they all look alike?" No one taught me this. I learned it the hard way. I've just lately gotten sick and tired of the white guilters excusing niggers behavior, here and elsewhere. It has nothing to do with skin pigment. That is just an indicator. It has everything to do with their actions. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
I'd rather he(?) and anyone else just bozo me or just ignore me. I (and others) can explain myself to white guilters like him til the cows come home and it wouldn't do any good. So, instead of trying, I just tell them to fuck off, in so many words. It's just so much easier to do that. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
Here is the nigger haters' logic as I see it: "Niggers are less than human and therefore despicable." Should we then hate dogs and cats and anything else that doesn't measure up to our standards of existence? If a dog was rooting through your garbage would you go back in your house, grab a gun and shoot it til it's dead? The non-stop almost daily posting of nigger hating is offensive and embarrassing. Love and tolerance aren't bad things.
Nothing. I agree with you, wud. Race has nothing to do with lady's evil actions. And that's why I responded as I did in post #3 to hounddawg's generalizations about race. In fact the race neutrality of this crime is demonstrated by the fact that this lady's MO is very similar to what was done by another psychopathic mother a few years back and that mother was white. However, as much as I think the crime is race neutral, I am concerned that this lady's defense attorney MIGHT use the "race" card to get this despicable murderess a better sentence deal - eg.troubled childhood growing up in a ghetto with no healthy bonding with herparents, seeing a poor parenting role model in her mother, no stable nuclear family unit to foster love and trust and nurturing values in her personality - therefore it was society's fault that this woman murdered her kids - blah, blah....
What makes you think wud is a "white guilter?" Just because he does not believe that race is uniquely associated with this type of crime, is that why you label wud a "white guilter?" I agree with wud. Does that make me a "white guilter", too?
Well, that's refreshing : )
Experience. It's not infallible but it's a good indicator,
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
Well, that's refreshing : ) Count me in. I might note, just to piss off the racists, that Ted Bundy was white, Scorpio was white, Albert DeSalvo was white, John Wayne Gacy was white, as were John Dillinger, Al Capone, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Tamerlane, Janet Reno, Lucky Luciano, Joe Bananas (Bonano), Carlo Gambino, John Gotti, Jack The Ripper, Vlad The Impaler (the model for Dracula), Timothy McVeigh, The Ku Klux Klan, Jesse James, etc., ... Evil is evil and is not a province or territory defined by race.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
They received a lot of bad press and/or harsh treatment because there were no liberals explaining the root causes for their acts, i.e. early victimization. Remember the teenage runaway whore who shacked up with the seven miners? Well, with good PR her story became Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs. And, of the crims you named you can find their evil black equivalents in any ten square miles of urban ghetto. Just look for the garbage all over the street and accessing the coroner's and police and child protective services reports from those areas would leave you DAWG sick and worse, without excuses. If you want to make a powerful statement find one example of a non white abolitionist movement in one non white country. The fact that some whites commit terrible crimes or are mentally ill doesn't change the fact that WE set the lofty moral and just legal standards from which all criminals and mentally disordered of all races deviate. And, by the way, you shouldn't use the Italian immigrant crime wave as an indicators of European Caucasian values and virtues. Hell, Italy has had over 100 govts since WWII, and much of their ancestry is Mongol blood. The old saying is "An Italian is a nigger turned inside out". Now, just how such a saying came into being is anybody's guess, but my personal experience with them is that far too many of the males are unsavory as Hell, they corrupt everything they touch and they're proud of that cultural trait. And if the never positively identified Ripper Of White Chapel was indeed suffering from advanced syphilis then could his actions be used as evidence of a genetic predisposition to crime? It helps to hear it from someone you know-sometimes you're really stupid, like when you're trying to savage white people in defense of savages that barely squeak under the wire as human.
David Horowitz pointed out that Caribbean blacks in the US have incomes roughly equal to whites while American born blacks just can't seem to find the ladder of opportunity, blaming racism for their failure in such numbers. It could certainly be argued that low IQs coupled with preprogrammed excuses for lack of achievement, i.e. no work ethic fosters crimes against those that blacks hate. By what logic are whites (who are too often victimized by lazy, self pitying loafers) obligated to make excuses for American blacks who are clearly their own worst enemy? And, it doesn't matter if we get it right or blame illogical causes for their failures. They could end it anytime by getting up and going to work on those cold, rainy, shitty days when whites, Asians, Hispanics and Caribbean blacks do. Any who insist that blacks should succeed despite rejection of the European work ethic are as stupid as those they defend. A Mexican with a language barrier can slip across the border and ten days later is wiring money South, and he could be equally "disabled" by "racism if he were prone to crippling self pity and subsidized as part of the permanent underclass. Of course the real truth, that "liberals" (Jews and their white lickspittles) want to keep blacks in ghettos so they don't move in next door and prove themselves equally able to make the dream work for them, is true. My Southern parents always had black friends who were co-workers. The operative word was "co-worker" not "black". Anyone who worked as hard as we did was our equal (defined as "entitled to equal protection under the law") and worthy of respect. We criticize blacks for being lazy and we criticize Mexicans because they work like Hell for lower wages. But, Mexicans don't let us interfere with their goal, and for them (or blacks) to claim that harsh words are responsible for their failure makes as much sense as a white man claiming that he could not make it because so many non whites around the world (90%) despise him. Which brings me to my point: If blacks were known for being such hard workers that we white overseers/oppressors had to come take the tools out of their hands and force them to leave at quitting time, would their be a black unemployment problem? And what would prevent them from isolating themselves away from their oppressors and enjoying their lives just as whites (and blacks, and Jews, etc.,) in high rises surrounded by urban blight do? Are they entitled to a world that worships and adores them (I want Brooke Shields to love me like Michael Jackson!) or isn't what many whites settle for good enough?
I don't think it is. But what I think is true is that they insist on "helping" them from a distance. And the only reason they do that is so they can get an ego boost. They love to pat themselves on the back. And if they want to keep them in the ghetto, it's because they don't want their own property values to drop. I've worked with blacks too. I've hired them. As far as being their boss could take it, I was friendly with them. They did a good job, for the most part, and we made money. But why are they the exceptions to the rule? I had employees that 1) one got shot in the leg, 2) two had brothers murdered, and 3) I had an employee murdered right outside my business and the shooter committed suicide. YOu deal with them and it's a fucking madhouse. When they aren't shooting, they're trying to steal you blind. They'd go thru the most amazing contortions you could imagine just to try and get one over on me. Are they entitled to a world that worships and adores them I don't think that anyone is entitled to have anyone worship and adore them because of their skin color any more than they should be hated for their skin color. It's their actions that are important. My problem is that while there are some exceptions, the rule is that blacks destroy everything they touch. And those exceptions to that rule are of more value to blacks than they are to us. We don't need them. There is a reason for white flight. You can see it in areas that used to be white but aren't anymore. Is it that way because they're poor? You can be poor, but still be clean. You can be poor, but still be honest, and harmless. They should never have been brought here because 1) slavery is wrong and 2) they have a different culture, and their culture is destructive to our culture. If Caribbean blacks make about as much money as whites, then that stat agrees with me that it has nothing to do with skin color but with their culture. ANd IMO they are responsible for their own culture. And now, we have a real mess thanks to the shortsighted hypocrites that our FF were when they allowed slavery to even start here. We are on the verge of a race war, imo. And it will not be whites that start it. No one but a madman wants this to happen, but what we want doesn't mean squat. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
I understand your points. to excuse or overlook black's crimes because of political correctness is wrong.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 I agree & appreciate your sentiments. for some reason i like it when people can meet common ground instead of ceasing communications.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 your snow white comment was hilarious. as far as the Italian remarks,i'll have to look into that. i do remember my mom saying that when she was little, some people held the view that Italians weren't 'white'. the features are unique for sure (generally fuller lips, etc, not chicken white girl lips :-) interestingly, i have had more than 1 black woman ask what nationality i am, some know im italian, even though i am only half. i can attest though, that there are no negresses in my heritage (not admitted, at least! :-D my kids will be half white, or only 1/4 white, if you exclude the wop part. ever since i was in kindergarten i was attracted to hispanic girls.interesting how that works.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 isn't it interesting though, comparing this news story with that of Susan Smith... which was championed endlessly by the (ahem... jew) media, while this story of a (hideous looking) black woman killing her two kids made nearly a drop in the media pond. i agree with those who note the common villification & marginalization of whites. i think there is something to that.
"if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." 1 Cor 12:31—13:13 On that point I agree. What frequently gets missed though is the real reason for that. People insist upon making it a matter of mere skin color when it is not. And my point to the racialists is simply that you can find an equal or greater number of heinous acts committed by whites as in most other groups. And I don't limit this observation to simply white and black. There is much crime in the Chinese community (and the Japanese Mob - the Yakuza - can go toe to toe with the Mafia), but because of their culture much of it remains below the surface and out of sight. Different cultures different responses. I take a broader perspective preferring to view humanity as a vast swirling sea of attitudes, differences, and similarities. My point, as always, is that people are people and the conditions under which they live and the culture within which they are raised has much more to do with their behavior that the mere genetics of melanin. As for the media's response that is part of the ongoing PsyOp of marginalizing and disempowering the resistance to the ongoing hostile takeover of the planet by the International Banking Cartel - which we call, among other things, the "New World Order" (or as I prefer "Odor"). The majority population of the U.S. IS white, and that is undeniable. It also has a culture of personal indepedence and liberty. That last is the real target. People who desire liberty do not make good slaves. Those who insist upon being independent individuals do not make good drones for the hive and those who would run the hive have been told that by the Psychiatrists from which a lot of the evil manipulations spring. If one looks back at the interaction of the pseudo-sciences known as Psychology and Psychiatry one can look from their inception forward and the baleful influence they have had on our culture and planet over all. Theirs is a rather sick viewpoint viewing man is naught but an animal, and to be manipulated and used to whatever ends, usually foul, that amuses them. MK Ultra and the various CIA Mind Control Programs were all run by Psychiatrists. The plague of deadly and noxious drugs afflicting our culture again can be traced to Psychiatry - LSD was originally a Psychiatric Drug. The early research on hallucinogens and their affects were wall within that sick envelope of materialistic dehumanizing pseudo-science called Psychiatry. Who else, other than a Psychiatrist or a Torquemada, would fry a persons brain with electricity and call it "treatment". Psychiatry has the highest suicide rate of any profession, while I view that as a positive, it is also a measure of the sickness of the profession. Without the Psychiatrists and their debilitating manipulations and "treatments", their labeling of behaviors disapproved of with Greek and Latin names (to lend authority to their opinions) the Banksters would be relatively easy to root out. However, they are instead busily working to destroy the culture of resistance to tyranny and are causing the society to implode. Having bought up all of the major media it is now relatively easy for them to constantly spread their debilitating and culture destroying memes. The media is a tool, but is not the disease. It is a symptom not a cause. It is a dangerous symptom and one that has to be reckoned with but it is not the root of the problem. Psychiatry, and the monied powers that employ them are. So, it is not race that is the problem, again people are looking at symptoms and assume that the symptom is the disease, when it is nothing more than a symptom of a deeper disease. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
In order to find a solution, we must first know what the problem is.
Exactly - "the correct 'why' opens the door to a handling".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The "blue haired, blond eyed" Italians are from the North. Those who are descendants of Muslim rapists are found primarily in the South.
Of course it isn't. I don't believe in judging a man by the color of his skin. I judge him by the size of his nostrils.
It could certainly be argued that low IQs coupled with preprogrammed excuses for lack of achievement, i.e. no work ethic fosters crimes against those that blacks hate. By what logic are whites (who are too often victimized by lazy, self pitying loafers) obligated to make excuses for American blacks who are clearly their own worst enemy? The article under discussion is about a heinous "unnatural" crime that cuts across all races. This crime has nothing to do with a general theoretical discussion about possible contributing factors to the lack of self-sustained upward socio-economic mobility of African Americans as a group. A similar discussion could be had regarding the ongoing dismal situation of many Canadian Indian tribes and most Canadian Metis populations. I may agree with some of the factors you present in a theoretical discussion about a societal group's lack of self-propelled progress but I do not agree that the crime under discussion is anyway related to a particular group's inherent self-defeating tendencies or foibles. Btw, I am not a white guilter by any means. In fact, imo it's way past time for African Americans to take responsibility for the lives they lead, for their achievements or lack thereof. Slavery harmed African Americans' forebears way back, not blacks today who have enjoyed the benefits of Affirmative Action for many years past and 20 plus years to come. Furthermore, let's not forget that hundreds of thousands of white Americans died in a bloody Civil War putting an end to slavery, yet this phenomenal "white" sacrifice is regularly forgotten in today's talk about slavery reparations/ assigning "guilt". But with regards to the article under discussion, I think it's important to focus on the nature of the crime - a mother killing her children - has our sophisticated civilization regressed - not just this mother but other American mothers doing the same "unnatural" crime the past 10 years. What have we become?
The crime may be understandable or explainable, but can't be excused. If there should be punishment, it should be for murdering one's own children. To be fair though, this sort of crime is an extremely rare occurrence. 300 million people and one of these a year (two in the past two years that I know of in the States). I'm totally guessing about the numbers, but you get the point I'm sure.
Women rock the cradle of civilization. It's highly unusual in any civilization for a mother to kill her children, never mind at this point in time in a highly civilized Western nation. I'm wondering if this is a sign of total unraveling of what was once commonly known as the lynch pin of any society - ie. the family unit.
Possibly. Should certainly be considered as a cause. That is, of the unraveling of the family unit. That and other things could have caused it such as mind control, violence in the media, prescription or non-prescripton drugs, etc. Or maybe she's just stupid. Maybe she's evil or psychopathic. Maybe she's so arrogant and cocky that she actually thought she was going to fool the authorities.
I forgot, maybe she was actually so discouraged and exhausted and confused that she could see no other way out of her dilemma. Maybe a combination of some or all these things we (you and I) have listed and possibly more.
Nixe. If she were so discouraged and blah blah blah she would have killed herself along with her children. A mother killing her own children is either the crime of an evil soul-malformed human being (smartness or dumbness is irrelevant) with no values or it's a bad sign - canary in the mineshaft - that our society has run aground, that it has lost its bearings - because the most natural, most human, most female instinct - a mother protecting her offspring - has come unwound.
I see exactly what you're saying. Let's hope it's the former.
Do these crimes argue for more sex education or less?
#2. To: scrapper2 (#1)
If this happened in California, the progressive evil ones in charge of my fair state would definitely say "more" is most definitely essential and necessary.
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#2)
It was said that blacks don't know what they're gonna do until 2 seconds before they do it.
#4. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
#5. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#0)
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"She's tearful, as anybody would be under these circumstances," defense attorney Carl B. Grant said after a brief hearing. "She's been very sad, very remorseful about all of this stuff, all of the allegations."
#6. To: scrapper2 (#3)
It was said that blacks don't know what they're gonna do until 2 seconds before they do it.
#7. To: PSUSA, HOUNDDAWG, scrapper2, Original_Intent, christine, *Nigger Haters* (#5)
nigger-in-question
#8. To: wudidiz (#7)
It's boring and disappointing.
#9. To: wudidiz, psusa, hounddawg, original_Intent, jethro tull, lod, christine, cynicom (#7)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#10. To: All, psusa, wudidiz, jethro tull, lod, cynicom, original_Intent, hounddawg (#9)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#11. To: Artisan (#10)
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i am interested also in why psusa seemed to have shifted his target from pig cops to blacks.
#12. To: Artisan (#9)
instead of just suggesting that wud bozo you,
#13. To: Artisan, PSUSA, wudidiz, Jethro Tull, Lod, Cynicom, Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#10)
#14. To: wudidiz, Hounddawg (#7)
What does race have to do with this murder case?
#15. To: PSUSA, wudidiz (#12)
I (and others) can explain myself to white guilters like him til the cows come home and it wouldn't do any good
#16. To: scrapper2 (#14)
I agree with you, wud.
#17. To: scrapper2 (#15)
What makes you think wud is a "white guilter?"
#18. To: wudidiz, Scrapper2, racialists, all (#16)
I agree with you, wud.
#19. To: Original_Intent, Jethro Tull (#18)
I might note, just to piss off the racists, that Ted Bundy was white, Scorpio was white, Albert DeSalvo was white, John Wayne Gacy was white, as were John Dillinger, Al Capone, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Tamerlane, Janet Reno, Lucky Luciano, Joe Bananas (Bonano), Carlo Gambino, John Gotti, Jack The Ripper, Vlad The Impaler (the model for Dracula), Timothy McVeigh, The Ku Klux Klan, Jesse James, etc., ..
#20. To: PSUSA (#11)
It has nothing to do with skin pigment. That is just an indicator. It has everything to do with their actions.
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
Of course the real truth, that "liberals" (Jews and their white lickspittles) want to keep blacks in ghettos so they don't move in next door and prove themselves equally able to make the dream work for them, is true.
#22. To: PSUSA (#11)
has everything to do with their actions
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#23. To: wudidiz (#13)
Love and tolerance aren't bad things
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG, christine, take care o this wiseguy ping (#19)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#25. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz, scrapper2 (#18)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#26. To: Artisan, wudidiz, scrapper2, christine, farmfriend, James Deffenbach, Lod, all (#25)
i agree with those who note the common villification & marginalization of whites. i think there is something to that.
"Nothing has harmed the quality of individual life in modern society more than the misbegotten belief that human suffering is driven by biological and genetic causes and can be rectified by taking drugs or undergoing electroshock therapy. ... If I wanted to ruin someone's life, I would convince the person that that biological psychiatry is right - that relationships mean nothing, that choice is impossible, and that the mechanics of a broken brain reign over our emotions and conduct. If I wanted to impair an individual's capacity to create empathetic, loving relationships, I would prescribe psychiatric drugs, all of which blunt our highest psychological and spiritual functions." Peter R. Breggin, M.D., in the foreword to "Reality Therapy in Action" by William Glasser, M.D., p. xi
"Most of the almost innumerable books, pamphlets, and other publications issued by the sponsors of the mental health program are purposely and craftily disingenuous, disguising its real and ultimate purpose: ... the ultimate reduction of every individual in this world, except the favored few who conceive of themselves as possessed of an incomparable genius in their ability to direct the affairs of others, into... a common servile obeisance to his master, the State...." Mental Robots, by Dr. Lewis Albert Alesen
"Of course, Behaviorism 'works.' So does torture. Give me a no-nonsense, down-to-earth behaviorist, a few drugs, and simple electrical appliances, and in six months I will have him reciting the Athanasian Creed in public". W. H. Auden
#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)
So, it is not race that is the problem, again people are looking at symptoms and assume that the symptom is the disease, when it is nothing more than a symptom of a deeper disease.
#28. To: wudidiz (#27)
In order to find a solution, we must first know what the problem is.
#29. To: Artisan (#24)
#30. To: Original_Intent, Artisan, wudidiz, scrapper2, christine, farmfriend, James Deffenbach, Lod (#26)
People insist upon making it a matter of mere skin color when it is not.
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz (#20)
(Edited)
David Horowitz pointed out that Caribbean blacks in the US have incomes roughly equal to whites while American born blacks just can't seem to find the ladder of opportunity, blaming racism for their failure in such numbers.
#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)
#33. To: wudidiz (#32)
To be fair though, this sort of crime is an extremely rare occurrence
#34. To: scrapper2 (#33)
#35. To: scrapper2 (#33)
#36. To: wudidiz (#35)
I forgot, maybe she was actually so discouraged and exhausted and confused that she could see no other way out of her dilemma.
#37. To: scrapper2 (#36)
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