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Title: SC Mom Accused of Killing Sons Remorseful
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=11427289
Published: Aug 20, 2010
Author: By MEG KINNARD Associated Press Writer
Post Date: 2010-08-20 02:26:52 by HOUNDDAWG
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Views: 336
Comments: 37
SC mom accused of killing her 2 sons, staging accident The mother accused of suffocating her two young sons and trying to cover it up by staging an accident says she is remorseful and has been speaking with the family minister, her attorney said Wednesday. "She's tearful, as anybody would be under these circumstances," defense attorney Carl B. Grant said after a brief hearing. "She's been very sad, very remorseful about all of this stuff, all of the allegations." Orangeburg County Sheriff Larry Williams has said 29-year-old Shaquan Duley expressed little remorse when she confessed Monday to killing her two young sons, ages 2 years and 18 months. Duley, who is unemployed, told authorities she smothered the boys after a fight with her own mother, who badgered her about her failures as a parent and inability to provide for her family financially. She first told investigators the boys drowned after her car plunged into a river early Monday morning. "She truly felt, 'If I don't have these toddlers, I can be free,'" Williams said. About 80 relatives, friends and curious onlookers attended Wednesday's hearing, Duley's first court appearance since she was charged with two counts of murder. Her family has largely kept silent about her arrest, but before the hearing, her sister said she think Williams' portrayal of events has been fair. "I don't feel that he's dragging my sister through the mud," she said outside the home she shared with her mother, sister, niece and nephews. "I actually feel that he's speaking fairly compassionately on her part." Adriane Duley said her family has been too overwhelmed by the media attention to do day-to-day tasks such as taking out the trash or getting the mail let alone grieving and planning two funerals. "I've had enough," she said. "My family needs their privacy." Shaquan Duley's mother, Helen Duley, told a Columbia television station that her daughter is a loving person who became overwhelmed.
Poster Comment: Remember Susan Smith? The horror of what she did, releasing the brake and allowing her car and her kids to roll off a boat ramp still leaves me with ice crystals on my heart and a deep, aching sadness whenever I recall it or see her children's pictures. Unlike Shaquan Duley's babies Smith's children were still alive when she sent them into deep, dark cold water still strapped in their car seats. As awful as this may seem, I'm actually relieved that Ms. Duley suffocated hers before sending her car off a bridge into a river. She'll get life, too, and may even enjoy the company if not the sympathetic mentoring of the older and seasoned inmate, Smith. South Carolina is a tough place to be a poor baby, especially if Mom has issues. Perhaps Smith and Duley can start a movement and bring the spotlight to bear on the issues that compel young mothers to kill their children. Is it a cry for help that we don't hear? Do these crimes argue for more sex education or less? Do men with no use for ready made families (or girls who sweat excessively in places they shouldn't oughta) abet these murders with our conscience-free libidos? Susan Smith didn't blossom into a full figured gal until after she was jailed. It would appear from Duley's mugshots that had she succeeded in slipping the noose she would have had a long stretch of dieting ahead of her, if like Smith she did it so she might get herself a man. Which makes me wonder, is losing weight (Duley) or keeping it off (Smith) just expecting too much of moms with two babies? Could these four dead children be victims of a steady stream of images that foster low self esteem and steady diets of processed foods with high sugar content? Is it worth risking life in prison because some men believe that big girls are like mopeds?
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#5. To: HOUNDDAWG, all (#0)
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Yeah right. Look up "ghetto loster". Here's a start: www.newnation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74228 When I would go into their homes I would see a pot of water on their stoves, simmering. Nothing else but water, no pasta etc. It was common to see this. I never asked why they did this, but now I know. Perhaps scalding their hellspawn makes them remorseful too? Susan Smith is evil. This nigger-in-question is typically impulsive. WTF, it blamed its mother for it all. You can't compare the 2. .
What does race have to do with this murder case? Nothing. Your knee-jerk reaction to automatically assign blame to her race shows a shallow, simplistic, ignorant and narrow-minded mentality. It's boring and disappointing.
with all due respect to both parties of this point of contention, who i consider both friends, (internet friends, at least),i would like to bring up some points. instead of just suggesting that wud bozo you, psusa can address his points. does race include innate tendencies such as violence? i think certain traits may be along with races, yes. very vast topic. Is one race superior in the eyes of God? No, i disagree. Each human has a soul & free will, created in the image & likeness of God. This includes 'niggers, kikes, chinks, white trash, ragheads, Wops, etc.' aside, i see psusa's recent racialist posts as a somewhat new thing which i didn't notice in years past. i have no problem w/ separatists, although i am not one.. i respect each's right to conscience. but to contend that a race is 'sub human', i disagree. name calling doesnt bug me, as the PC Leftie type go hysterical over nonsense like that. to be honest, i find it comical when psusa & jethro rant about 'niggers', since ive seen plenty of them, (contd
posters have presented points at my request as to the race/ culture issue. is pigment the only difference in races? i dont think so. i am interested also in why psusa seemed to have shifted his target from pig cops to blacks. what history is there to warrant such a strong predominant focus of late? or was it there all along & i missed it? thx for the ear & input.
WEll, after posting about 500 pigs on my blog that I don't update anymore, not to mention the ones posted here on this site, it gets old after a while. But just because I don't post on it much anymore doesn't mean I've changed my mind about pigs. I haven't. Pigs are just one facet of the problem. I have also said that if cops would confine themselves to getting the real criminals, the ones that harm people or property, I'd have no problem with them. There are real criminals out there and they have to be dealt with. But they insist on acting like assholes to everyone. AFA the Race Thing goes, I've always been that way to one degree or another, I just didn't emphasize it. Even when I was a little kid, one of my earliest memories was going shopping with my mom and grandmother. I saw a nigger and told them "Did you ever notice that they all look alike?" No one taught me this. I learned it the hard way. I've just lately gotten sick and tired of the white guilters excusing niggers behavior, here and elsewhere. It has nothing to do with skin pigment. That is just an indicator. It has everything to do with their actions. .
David Horowitz pointed out that Caribbean blacks in the US have incomes roughly equal to whites while American born blacks just can't seem to find the ladder of opportunity, blaming racism for their failure in such numbers. It could certainly be argued that low IQs coupled with preprogrammed excuses for lack of achievement, i.e. no work ethic fosters crimes against those that blacks hate. By what logic are whites (who are too often victimized by lazy, self pitying loafers) obligated to make excuses for American blacks who are clearly their own worst enemy? And, it doesn't matter if we get it right or blame illogical causes for their failures. They could end it anytime by getting up and going to work on those cold, rainy, shitty days when whites, Asians, Hispanics and Caribbean blacks do. Any who insist that blacks should succeed despite rejection of the European work ethic are as stupid as those they defend. A Mexican with a language barrier can slip across the border and ten days later is wiring money South, and he could be equally "disabled" by "racism if he were prone to crippling self pity and subsidized as part of the permanent underclass. Of course the real truth, that "liberals" (Jews and their white lickspittles) want to keep blacks in ghettos so they don't move in next door and prove themselves equally able to make the dream work for them, is true. My Southern parents always had black friends who were co-workers. The operative word was "co-worker" not "black". Anyone who worked as hard as we did was our equal (defined as "entitled to equal protection under the law") and worthy of respect. We criticize blacks for being lazy and we criticize Mexicans because they work like Hell for lower wages. But, Mexicans don't let us interfere with their goal, and for them (or blacks) to claim that harsh words are responsible for their failure makes as much sense as a white man claiming that he could not make it because so many non whites around the world (90%) despise him. Which brings me to my point: If blacks were known for being such hard workers that we white overseers/oppressors had to come take the tools out of their hands and force them to leave at quitting time, would their be a black unemployment problem? And what would prevent them from isolating themselves away from their oppressors and enjoying their lives just as whites (and blacks, and Jews, etc.,) in high rises surrounded by urban blight do? Are they entitled to a world that worships and adores them (I want Brooke Shields to love me like Michael Jackson!) or isn't what many whites settle for good enough?
It could certainly be argued that low IQs coupled with preprogrammed excuses for lack of achievement, i.e. no work ethic fosters crimes against those that blacks hate. By what logic are whites (who are too often victimized by lazy, self pitying loafers) obligated to make excuses for American blacks who are clearly their own worst enemy? The article under discussion is about a heinous "unnatural" crime that cuts across all races. This crime has nothing to do with a general theoretical discussion about possible contributing factors to the lack of self-sustained upward socio-economic mobility of African Americans as a group. A similar discussion could be had regarding the ongoing dismal situation of many Canadian Indian tribes and most Canadian Metis populations. I may agree with some of the factors you present in a theoretical discussion about a societal group's lack of self-propelled progress but I do not agree that the crime under discussion is anyway related to a particular group's inherent self-defeating tendencies or foibles. Btw, I am not a white guilter by any means. In fact, imo it's way past time for African Americans to take responsibility for the lives they lead, for their achievements or lack thereof. Slavery harmed African Americans' forebears way back, not blacks today who have enjoyed the benefits of Affirmative Action for many years past and 20 plus years to come. Furthermore, let's not forget that hundreds of thousands of white Americans died in a bloody Civil War putting an end to slavery, yet this phenomenal "white" sacrifice is regularly forgotten in today's talk about slavery reparations/ assigning "guilt". But with regards to the article under discussion, I think it's important to focus on the nature of the crime - a mother killing her children - has our sophisticated civilization regressed - not just this mother but other American mothers doing the same "unnatural" crime the past 10 years. What have we become?
The crime may be understandable or explainable, but can't be excused. If there should be punishment, it should be for murdering one's own children. To be fair though, this sort of crime is an extremely rare occurrence. 300 million people and one of these a year (two in the past two years that I know of in the States). I'm totally guessing about the numbers, but you get the point I'm sure.
Women rock the cradle of civilization. It's highly unusual in any civilization for a mother to kill her children, never mind at this point in time in a highly civilized Western nation. I'm wondering if this is a sign of total unraveling of what was once commonly known as the lynch pin of any society - ie. the family unit.
I forgot, maybe she was actually so discouraged and exhausted and confused that she could see no other way out of her dilemma. Maybe a combination of some or all these things we (you and I) have listed and possibly more.
Nixe. If she were so discouraged and blah blah blah she would have killed herself along with her children. A mother killing her own children is either the crime of an evil soul-malformed human being (smartness or dumbness is irrelevant) with no values or it's a bad sign - canary in the mineshaft - that our society has run aground, that it has lost its bearings - because the most natural, most human, most female instinct - a mother protecting her offspring - has come unwound.
I see exactly what you're saying. Let's hope it's the former.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"She's tearful, as anybody would be under these circumstances," defense attorney Carl B. Grant said after a brief hearing. "She's been very sad, very remorseful about all of this stuff, all of the allegations."
#7. To: PSUSA, HOUNDDAWG, scrapper2, Original_Intent, christine, *Nigger Haters* (#5)
nigger-in-question
#9. To: wudidiz, psusa, hounddawg, original_Intent, jethro tull, lod, christine, cynicom (#7)
#10. To: All, psusa, wudidiz, jethro tull, lod, cynicom, original_Intent, hounddawg (#9)
#11. To: Artisan (#10)
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i am interested also in why psusa seemed to have shifted his target from pig cops to blacks.
#20. To: PSUSA (#11)
It has nothing to do with skin pigment. That is just an indicator. It has everything to do with their actions.
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz (#20)
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David Horowitz pointed out that Caribbean blacks in the US have incomes roughly equal to whites while American born blacks just can't seem to find the ladder of opportunity, blaming racism for their failure in such numbers.
#32. To: scrapper2 (#31)
#33. To: wudidiz (#32)
To be fair though, this sort of crime is an extremely rare occurrence
#35. To: scrapper2 (#33)
#36. To: wudidiz (#35)
I forgot, maybe she was actually so discouraged and exhausted and confused that she could see no other way out of her dilemma.
#37. To: scrapper2 (#36)
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