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Title: New 9/11 3D Analysis Suggests Top Secret Device Hit World Trade Center
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Published: Aug 12, 2010
Author: Johnny Punish
Post Date: 2010-08-21 05:36:30 by wudidiz
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New 9/11 3D Analysis Suggests Top Secret Device Hit World Trade Center
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Disclaimer: Veterans Today does NOT endorse the conclusions in the video posted below. The post merely presents the questions and asks for readers to participate. Almost 10 years on, with no clear explanation why Building 7 collapsed after not being hit by anything but underground media scrutiny, we all seem to feel that something does NOT fit. 9/11 just does NOT pass the smell test. In fact it stinks. Almost 10 years, we are still engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Neo-Con wars of the first decade are still with us crawling their way into history books. Whether the video analysis below is true or not, we have so many questions ie… Oh heck, watch this video and comment on the analysis below…. U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
This is a very well done video. I highly recommend watching the whole thing. It's only twenty minutes long and very interesting.
Thank you, Happy.
Went to this site listed in the Comments section: 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB. check out additional evidence at Found this interesting 1996 clip there from the "Independence Day" movie, which I hadn't seen before; along with a pic of Neo's 1999 "Matrix" passport that was to expire on 11 September 01: Independence Day 9/11 subliminal message Of course, those aren't the only examples that indicate foreknowledge.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
cool stuff.
__________________________________ So that's what did it. LOL! Hmm, I think I will be a "Non-Commissioned Investigator" and see what screwball "theory" I can come up with. It will involve naked women, UFOs, Bigfoot, green paint, and a fly swatter. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
how strange! you somehow forgot to give your explanation of the object that was filmed. the object without wings or fuselage. probably just an oversight on your part. go ahead now, and provide your theory on what it was. i'm sure you have it all thought out.
__________________________________ If I watch the vid, will you give me back the 20 minutes I spent in watching it? It's things like this that make truthers look like idiots. Anti-gravity ball??? If it was hit by that, why didn't the buildings collapse upwards and land on the moon? .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
;>)
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
If there was a ball, I think it would have been seen by many that day. IMO, this is a dis-info video meant to discredit 9/11 truthers as nuts.
God is always good!
LoL CRAZY!
U.S. Constitution - Article IV, Section 4: NO BORDERS + NO LAWS = NO COUNTRY
Wait! Don't look. Did your mind open up there for a moment? Close it! Now go hate yourself some niggas.
I watched and listened with an open mind. I still think it is dis-info though.
God is always good!
you somehow forgot to give your explanation of the object that was filmed. the object without wings or fuselage. probably just an oversight on your part. go ahead now, and provide your theory on what it was. i'm sure you have it all thought out. Don't bug him, he's a busy man. Watch a 20 minute video? I don't think so. Think of all the niggers you could hate in 20 minutes.
Cool. Well, at least you watched it. I thought about that it might be disinfo too. His theory is based on the NBC video. The supposed plane in their video takes a different trajectory and looks different (has no wings and is round) than the planes in the other videos. How could the fuselage of the plane in the other video exit the other side of the wtc like that? It's impossible.
shilly shillington.
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When the ships were first arriving on the East Coast the natives couldn't see them because they had no point of reference to identify the objects. Since the object is out of the normal realms of recognition, this isn't all that surprising.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
And what is that supposed to mean? Is that some kind of canuckistani joke? You know what the problem with you people (canuckistanis) is, you're smug. You're smug with zero experience, and you have zero reason to be smug or arrogant about anything.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Hey, ping me, will ya?
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I was wondering the same thing. Sure enough the trajectory, size and shape of the object on the NBC video is clearly much different. www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKZqqSI9-s (NBC video 2:20) And what is that supposed to mean? Did you watch the video? It's 22 minutes long. Watch the whole thing then I'll tell you what I meant. I watched this video again for the fourth time. Fascinating. It seems certain there were no planes hit the WTC. It's obvious the tv video was faked. Absolutely no doubt. Just when I thought I knew everything....
LMFAO! I think you're serious. I bet you think you knew everything! Don't you just hate that? First you think you have a topic totally mastered. You are like a god in your mighty all-knowing knowledge. Then something else comes along and totally smashes your delusion. Could it be obvious that your video was faked? Which makes more sense? .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
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20% eyewitness recognition for an event of this magnitude is insignificant to validity. look up eyewitness suggestibility effect
__________________________________ I would be careful in drawing a conclusion. As was pointed out this could simply be another computer generated video to further confuse and discredit. You could make a video of Bozo the Clown flying into the towers with the right equipment and budget.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Don't you just hate that? First you think you have a topic totally mastered. You are like a god in your mighty all-knowing knowledge. Then something else comes along and totally smashes your delusion. Could it be obvious that your video was faked? Which makes more sense? No. I didn't actually think I knew everything. Just an expression meaning something has been revealed to me. Now, did you or did you not watch the entire 22 minute video? I watched it 4 times.
OI, the videos of planes hitting the towers were faked. It's completely obvious. I watched this video 4 times. What hit the towers weren't airliners. I know you can't watch this video, but here's an image to illustrate only 1 of the points: Same camera shot, same distance, same angle, same time (notice smoke cloud), different background. The picture on the left had no airliner in it. The faked one on the right did. Where did the background go? Why was there no plane in the original video? (Only on NBC)
Interesting to say the least. Nevertheless, while it does strongly suggest the video was edited that is really all it proves.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
That was only one image I picked off Google. Try watching the whole video. What the image proves is that a plane was added to the original video. There was NO PLANE in the original video.
You're taking for granted that the video you think was edited was done by ... someone. It could also be edited by the person that presented this video as "proof". But, lets look at the pic. Here it is, magnified by me. They're not the same. That object I drew around, I don't know what the hell that is. Maybe it's just an artifact, or maybe it's evidence of tampering, or maybe it's something else. But that puff of smoke I put the arrow on is different from the other pic. It was not shot at the same time.
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
I posted that picture because OI is not able to watch videos. Yet. If you watch the video here At 4:40 it compares the two videos.
Nice try. You said, and I quote you directly, that this was the Same camera shot, same distance, same angle, same time (notice smoke cloud), different background. The picture on the left had no airliner in it. The faked one on the right did. Where did the background go? Why was there no plane in the original video? (Only on NBC) I've shown that this was not the same camera shot, you don't know what the distance was, the angle is only similar. You can account for the different background by using 2 different altitudes. If you are higher up, you point the camera down, getting a different background than if you were at the same altitude pointing the camera parallel to the horizon, or not pointing the camera down at as steep of an angle. The pic on the right looks like it was taken from a lower altitude since you see more of the roof area on the pic on the left. This would not show the same background. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
Did you watch the video?
One was shot in low resolution the other one higher. It is no wonder a plane moving fast could appear as a ball on a low resolution cam-corder. New evidence like this does not emerge 9 years from the time of the event. It just doesn't happen. If there was a damn ball there you would have heard about it a lot sooner than now! This video is pure dis-info put out by the CIA/Mossad. Fuck them, and all the idiots dumb enough to believe this lie.
God is always good!
Resolution has nothing to do with it. The two videos, one original live from NBC and the other obviously edited, show two completely different trajectories. This is not new. The video, "September Clues" was done years ago.
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I know. I just don't like to say it right off. I'd rather show it. And if I am wrong about something, show me. You have to admit though, the CIA et al are very good at distracting people.
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Why would I? I already debunked your claims about that pic. What good would it do to do that for the entire video? It would be pointless. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
Oh, you're a debunker now are you? You did no such thing. Not even close. Just because I didn't get into it with you about the picture doesn't mean you win by default. Watch the video that this thread is about or don't bother commenting on it to me as though you have any clue wtf you're talking about. All this coming from someone who thinks airplanes make clouds. Don't you have some niggers to hate somewhere?
Notice, no exit hole in WTC 2: You did no such thing. Not even close. Just because I didn't get into it with you about the picture doesn't mean you win by default. Watch the video that this thread is about or don't bother commenting on it to me as though you have any clue wtf you're talking about. All this coming from someone who thinks airplanes make clouds. Don't you have some niggers to hate somewhere? And there we have it. I suppose it was just a matter of time before you blew up. You have no one to blame but yourself. You are the one that made the claims about the pic that YOU posted. So doesn't it stand to reason that the claims you make on the entire video are likewise bogus? YOu keep saying "watch the video watch the video". Why should I? DId you or didn't you cherry pick the best "proof" that the video had to offer? If you can refute what I said in response to you and your claims, then do so. Do it out in the open for all to see. .
Click for Privacy and Preparedness files I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
The picture I posted to OI was to illustrate to him that the background was removed. I did that because OI can't watch videos. You can. If you were to take the small amount of time to watch the portion I told you about starting at 4:40, you would see that the two videos are taken from the same point. The difference between the two is that one is original and the other is edited. You don't need to get hung up on the photo. Look past the photo. Look past the niggers. I took the time to find where in the 22 minute video you could watch the original NBC clip and the faked one. The least you could do is watch it so you would be informed to comment.
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lol........what a great gif!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Ditto. Double ditto on the wings doing no damage at the PentaCON. Not to mention that the plane would have had to take out a hell of a lot more than a mere five light poles to cruise at that low speed into the building........without harming the AMAZING, ASTOUNDING PENTALAWN!!
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
This thread is BASED ON THAT VIDEO. So, it's a really good reason to view the video.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Nice to see you here.
Mr. Walter says in this interview that he heard the roar of the engines of the plane over head and looked up to see, quite clearly, the AA logo of American Airlines on the side of the jet. Then he says that the plane dove and increased speed toward the Pentagon. Well, if that is the case, then he must have seen the plane a mile or so out because according to the FAA and Norad, that plane was flying low for quite a ways before it struck the Pentagon. How did he hear the “roar of the engines” so far out? Then he adds the new story-line that he saw the wings of the plane fold back into the body of the jet when it hit. Look at the pictures from the only release 5 frames of the actual video from the attack. How did someone “see” the wings “fold back against the plane” in that millisecond of impact that was obscured by the fireball? He couldn’t have. It’s impossible. But even more telling than all of this… His original interview with CNN on the day of the attacks. “I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,” eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. “Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,” he said. Nothing about the wings folding back. Nothing about the AA logo. In fact, he said it was like a “cruise missile with wings“. Now here he is, pawning off the latest story from the administration that the wings “folded in” and that explains why the wings didn’t break off and they didn’t leave an outline of a plane in the side of the Pentagon, like what happened at the Trade Center. Mike Walters is a pathetic liar. He is lying about a terrorist attack on U.S. soil which claimed thousands of lives. In the interest of national security, he should be held for questioning. _________________________________ It would greatly improve his credibility if he produced the list of CIA assets in the media and showed us that he's not on it. Also, Walter is obviously not his given name, and....well, you know the rest......
Here's another press liar at the link you posted who should be held for questioning, Jamie McIntyre, CNN Senior Pentagon Correspondent: The Pentagon 9/11/2001: CNN - Evidence Tampering
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Isn't it amazing how no wings of the alleged planes at the WTC folded on impact with all those steel beams so close together there? An Official Conspiracy theorist chalks that up to aluminum alloy having a higher tensile strength than structural steel and to Depleted Uranium reinforcing the nosecone and wings. Another explained that the strongest part of a planes wings are the shoulders because they have to support the engines. I guess they want us to think the alleged plane at the Pentagon was nosecone reinforced enough to act like a cruise missle but not reinforced enough to keep the wings outstretched and the engines supported like at the WTC. /s
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
It is amazing. We no longer live in the land of opportunity. It's the land of coincidences at a trillion to one odds.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Approx. 7 min video with phone interview of "Flt. 175" filmer, Michael Hezarkhani, at around the halfway mark:
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Nice, thank you.
Within the first minute of this video, the ABC newscaster asks if a side of WTC 2 fell down. Why did he ask that rather than if the whole building fell? I suppose because the only smoke and debris from the collapse is shown billowing off to the left of WTC 1 and none is seen on the right side of it. Yet another "coincidence" with like a trillion to one odds. Continuous Pieces 9/11 v2.0 - Part 6 0f 8
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Yes it does, it has everything to do with a fast moving jet airliner appearing as if it were a ball on a low resolution camera with a low frame rate. The so-called buster here is busted. No they don't. Did you even watch the video YOU posted? Yes it is, or there would have been numerous eye witnesses to this ball being seen. You can't cover something like that up. Really, think about it just a little. So? 9/11 was almost 9 years ago. Where were the "ball" stories the first week after 9/11? They didn't exist.
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They are here, no doubt about it. Either that or America is more hopelessly lost than I thought.
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Compare this CNN-aired video of alleged Flt. 175 flying in from the right side of the screen at 3:26 to the CNN-aired Harkhani video from behind WTC 2. The plane angles to the building and to the smoke directions should be investigated, imo. CNN 9/11 8:59 - 9:09
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
No, he says they folded back, not in. If they would have folded forward, at least physics could have supported that, but he says they folded backward, which would have been impossible if they didn't hit anything before the plane's nose hit the building.
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Yes it does, it has everything to do with a fast moving jet airliner appearing as if it were a ball on a low resolution camera with a low frame rate. The so-called buster here is busted. The two videos, one original live from NBC and the other obviously edited, show two completely different trajectories. No they don't. Did you even watch the video YOU posted? This is not new. Yes it is, or there would have been numerous eye witnesses to this ball being seen. You can't cover something like that up. Really, think about it just a little. The video, "September Clues" was done years ago. So? 9/11 was almost 9 years ago. Where were the "ball" stories the first week after 9/11? They didn't exist. Resolution has Nothing to do with the different trajectory. Which is what I meant in post #40. Yes, I watched the video I posted. That's how I could see the very different trajectory. Now, I just went back to the video again. www.veteranstoday.com/201...e-hit-world-trade-center/ Pause it at 4:52 and tell me you don't see what I see. You made a good point about the no witnesses. Call me an idiot again and I'll kick you in the fucking head.
Just kidding. The different video only aired on NBC btw and they changed it later. I can prove it.
The video you posted did not show a different trajectory, it was exactly the same as the ball's. Going by the monotone presenter's voice and drawing of lines on a video proves nothing. The trajectories were the same. One, they weren't synced, two, they weren't from the same angle, one was shot from a helicopter, the other one was shot from a lower angle. Which is why the backgrounds are different, one was the sky, the other was the river and sky. Come on, you should be use to it by now, you idiot.
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www.veteranstoday.com/201...e-hit-world-trade-center/ Pause it at 4:52 and tell me you don't see what I see.
Can I have a link please?
Pause it at 4:52 and tell me you don't see what I see. ...or maybe you just want to pretend we never had this conversation?
You: Can I have a link please? I'm sorry. I spelled the name wrong there. The correct spelling is Hezarkhani. It's the same "CNN FAKE FOOTAGE BLASTED" video about the Michael Hezarkhani footage that was posted by me at #58 and again by you at #59. Do you think maybe you could measure for comparison the plane angles to the WTC 1 smoke direction angles in that video and the other CNN footage at #63 (3:26 min mark)? I hope so.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I spent about half an hour comparing the two videos side by side. This one: "CNN FAKE FOOTAGE BLASTED" video about the Michael Hezarkhani footage at about :22 And this one: CNN 9/11 8:59 - 9:09 at 3:26 and as best I can tell, they match up. Both planes seem to be following the same trajectory at the same angle and hitting the same building in the same place. I have no way of measuring it other than that at this time.
The Hezarkhani footage is also mentioned at the 12:28 min. mark in the 3D Analysis video posted by you as the subject of this thread. Right after that, at 14:28, the Evan Fairbanks footage is shown with the smoke going towards the left of the screen, like the CNN footage at Post #63 but the "plane" is not flying in from the right side of the screen in the Fairbanks video. It is flying in from the left of the screen and under the smoke -- smoke that is moving away from the plane in the CNN film, not towards it. Do you see what I mean? The plane angles compared to the smoke directions are very obviously contradictory in those network examples but what's even odder, imo, is how the official storyliners and planes devotees stubbornly stay their course of targeting CGI messengers rather than any media productions of CGI fakery and endorsements of it. ABC's 911 Fairbanks Video is Fake!! [My note: but Sarah Boxer calls it "a Zapruder film for our time" in her 11-22- 01 New York Times article, PHOTOGRAPHY REVIEW; Catching the World in the Act of Changing]
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Ok, thanks for checking. If you could compare the Evan Fairbanks video, too, I'd appreciate it.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
I'm going to have to look at that later, please remind me if I don't reply.
Do you realize, that evidence of video fakery is NOT evidence of no planes? There were many eyewitnesses to the plane that hit the second tower. What does it accomplish to say there were no planes? Does this in anyway make the CIA/Mossad/American military/ MSM any more responsible for 9/11? No, it doesn't. Pushing a "gravity ball" hit the tower story, even if somehow true, which I highly doubt it is, will not get people to see that 9/11 was an inside job, it will only make people think you are nuts. A ball would have a good shot of being seen by many, so why would they risk disclosure of such technology, if it even exists, when they can just blow a whole in the side of the towers and say planes hit them?
God is always good!
I answered you in an earlier post. Either one, or both of those videos could be fakes. It is even possible I think for them both to be legit too if they were not from the same camera or the same angle. Either way believing a "gravity ball" hit the WTC towers is in the realm of cukoo land, and I will have nothing to do with such idiocy.
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Your reasoning is absurd. You are capable of conjuring ideas why someone should not examine this or investigate it, but you haven't given any proof there was a plane. In fact, the video with the nose out, which aired on a few major tv news channels, is obviously fake. So if that's not the plane, then where is the plane? Who gives a flying fuck if people think we're nuts? All I care about is the truth.
"Heavens no!, people might think we're crazy...." lol
All I care about is the truth. If you want to overthrow the people who did 9.11, you should care.
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Maybe you're right, but I doubt it. I have little faith the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Elite... will be removed from power. Unless there is a miracle such as Jesus returning and vaporizing each and every one of them. I appreciate your intention, that is having them overthrown, but don't believe how we argue 9/11 will have any significant effect on that happening or not.
that's brilliant. tagline material.
There were many eyewitnesses to the plane that hit the second tower. I'll debate the alleged witnesses if you want but, just so you know, I don't consider them tangible evidence of said planes and many have been shown to be suspect as accomplices. Don't you think hoaxers of such magnitude would have fake-witnesses planted and scripted in to provide them with cover and the illusion of "reality"? Of course they would. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeuxis Zeuxis and his contemporary Parrhasius (of Ephesus and later Athens) are reported in the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder to have staged a contest to determine which of the two was the greater artist. When Zeuxis unveiled his painting of grapes, they appeared so luscious and inviting that birds flew down from the sky to peck at them. Zeuxis then asked Parrhasius to pull aside the curtain from his painting, only for Parrhasius to reveal the curtain itself was a painting, and Zeuxis was forced to concede defeat. Zeuxis is rumoured to have said: 'I have deceived the birds, but Parrhasius has deceived Zeuxis.' What does saying there were planes accomplish besides presumed "justification" for two wars and the possible disappearance of 4 planes into the black market, likely with QRS11 gyro-chips that have dual-uses in guided missle technology? Do you expect to paint those orgs as monolithically guilty of something criminal re: 9/11 -- just not re: the "Fantastic Four planes"? There are people implicated in those orgs and others like PNAC. Charging the orgs they are members of as guilty by association probably isn't going to get those orgs imprisoned or abolished so what is your objective? Boeing has already been charged and fined for trafficking in prohibited dual-use parts over 100 times. Even so, every employee wasn't responsible for that and they're still in business. So what if particular personnel there might be guilty of 4 more such violations re: 9/11? If LEO-investigators were more motivated by public approval than collaring suspects, our prisons wouldn't be so heavily populated. I'm more concerned with who is a suspect and why than what monolithic orgs they're affiliated with and what the official storyliners/planes devotees think of "heretics" like me. I suspect they did just blow a hole in the side of the towers and say planes hit them -- at the Pentagon too, for whatever reason(s) there by whoever. What appears to be a ball in the video was investigated and it would be remiss not to have analyzed it as anomolous. If all the video managed to do was show me what it would have looked like if there was a wide enough opening between the buildings to see the "plane" cross that space, had that angle been filmed by anyone, I'd appreciate it for that because I've looked at many, many videos searching specifically for such a perspective and surprisingly to no avail, what with all the alleged "witnesses with cameras" supposedly round about.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
You're a pretty smart character, GreyLmist.
Why, thank you so much, pardner. I think you're a real smart character yourself. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Omg, I can't believe I'm a no-planer lol ;-)
You be cool in my estimation. ^5 :) Let's party and sing-along with Dobie Gray's "The In Crowd":
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Thank you, Eric. Since I don't believe planes were used in the scenarios, I don't believe there were passengers on them. That's not to say I don't believe there were any actual victims at all named on the passenger lists who might have been killed otherwise and "written off" that way for insurance purposes, or just to do away with them, or whatever. Their loved ones might even believe that's what happened to them. Some might have been given new identities and "written off" that way as an exit strategy. Some might have been extraordinarily renditioned. There are several possibilities but I try to differentiate between who might have been victimized and who might be what's called a "vicsim" -- a simulated fictional character to "fill out" the storyline, for false insurance and/or 9/11 Fund claims, that sort of thing. Barbara Olson is not a "vicsim" but a real person. She may have been victimized or she may have changed her identity, who knows? I hope that helps some to reconcile your concerns.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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I dont think there were any buildings. hehehehehehe
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Wud wont allow me to participate, but he didnt say I could not add some foolishness.
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Believe it or not, there are some newsclips that only show WTC 1 and an explosion behind it, like this WTC 2 hideaway angle from ABC: ------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
And he was definitely scheduled for a flight that a.m., 77 in fact. Again, just trying to piece it together. Even if you had known her alleged husband in person, that wouldn't exactly rule out the possibility of something elaborately similar to the faked backgrounds of the recently arrested Russian Spies in America: WHDH-TV - Russian spies in Cambridge held without bail BOSTON -- According to prosecutors, Don Heathfield and Tracey Foley, may have been hand-picked by the Russian government, and told to have children to better blend here in America. The criminal complaint calls the alleged spies "Illegals who are placed together and cohabit in the country to which they are assigned will often have children together; this further deepens an illegal's legend." The government says "Legend" is another name for the Russian's fake identities. Like the suspected Cambridge couple, suspects Richard and Cynthia Murphy of Monclair, New Jersey appeared all-American as well. Prosecutors make them out as the most important players in the ring, [end excerpt] ----------- How well do you know the other person in the D.C. area that you think lost a loved one that day? Had you known any of them prior to being chased off for trying to photograph near the Pentagon?
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Bummer. I'm wondering if they were stolen.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
Don't think for a moment that your posting has gone unnoticed, Cyni.
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I'm thinking that I threw them out, but if not, they're in some box. So, you're saying you're not the most organized person in the world? lol Ok, I'll admit it. I'm not either. :) There's some good guy LEOs around here but the one that jolted me the most said this: "The Constitution? That's too deep for me."
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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No, I'm as sure as I can be that I was a stranger to each of them. Not to say that by my obsevations there aren't any around here that are horrid. There are. We are where we are in this country precisely because of such an attitude. Largely so, yes. Probably sees himself as private security for the corporatocracy-aristocracy. I was totally speechless because he walked away dismissively as soon as he said it. At least the other officer I was discussing the subject with looked stunned by the remark too. I suppose I should write the city council and recommend a Sheriff Mack video presentation. I've heard that geniuses are seldom neat. Make a sign that says that. I probably need one that says The buck doesn't stop here because it would get lost in the clutter. lol
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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What's serving as my desk is halfway neat at the moment but I wouldn't have called it neat in the least a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure I would win the garage competition if you can drive a car into yours because I can't even get the door to go up or get to it from the inside without "mountain climbing". lol
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Nevertheless, while it does strongly suggest the video was edited that is really all it proves. The truthe beckons ye, OI. Come to no-plane heaven.... "no break in building between fuselage and left engine."
are you an HHG2TG fan? if so you'll know this is what is referred to as an SEP
I can't say as I have a routine but I do try to tidy up my work area a bit more often than that. Otherwise, it turns into more work whenever I have to bend down and pick up the spillage. :)
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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Analysis by Non-Commissioned Investigator Shows Plane Footage Doctored Up to Hide Clandestine Remote Controlled Anti-Gravity Ball Hitting World Trade Center Building 2
Yesterday Richard D. Hall posted his new 3-D video analysis of 9/11 showing that a top secret anti-gravity vehicle that hit World Trade Center Building 2.
#2. To: All, *9-11*, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#0)
#3. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)
#4. To: wudidiz (#2)
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http://www.thenewalexandrialibrary.com/911truth.html 
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=_UNMlkUlbg0&feature=related
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#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, WTF is this shit??? (#1)
Analysis by Non-Commissioned Investigator Shows Plane Footage Doctored Up to Hide Clandestine Remote Controlled Anti-Gravity Ball Hitting World Trade Center Building 2
#7. To: PSUSA (#6)
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#8. To: gengis gandhi (#7)
you somehow forgot to give your explanation of the object that was filmed.
#9. To: PSUSA (#6)
#10. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)
#11. To: RickyJ (#10)
#12. To: PSUSA (#6)
#13. To: wudidiz (#12)
#14. To: gengis gandhi (#7)
how strange!
#15. To: RickyJ (#13)
I watched and listened with an open mind. I still think it is dis-info though.
#16. To: wudidiz (#14)
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#17. To: wudidiz (#0)
#18. To: wudidiz (#14)
#19. To: wudidiz (#15)
#20. To: RickyJ (#10)
If there was a ball, I think it would have been seen by many that day.
#21. To: wudidiz (#14)
Think of all the niggers you could hate in 20 minutes.
#22. To: PSUSA (#6)
I can come up with. It will involve naked women, UFOs, Bigfoot, green paint, and a fly swatter.
#23. To: Eric Stratton, RickyJ, gengis gandhi, *9-11* (#19)
Is there a source for the original NBC video?
I thought someone posted a site with all of them from that day.
#24. To: Flintlock (#21)
Think of all the niggers you could hate in 20 minutes.
"Watch the video, Flintlock."
#25. To: Original_Intent, christine, FormerLurker, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Itistoolate, noone222, Eric Stratton, HOUNDDAWG, gengis gandhi, GreyLmist, abraxas, All, *9-11*, *Black Ops - Psyops* (#24)
#26. To: wudidiz (#25)
Just when I thought I knew everything....
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#28. To: wudidiz (#25)
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#29. To: wudidiz (#25)
#30. To: PSUSA (#26)
LMFAO! I think you're serious. I bet you think you knew everything!
#31. To: Original_Intent, Eric Stratton, gengis gandhi (#29)
I would be careful in drawing a conclusion.
#32. To: wudidiz (#31)
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
Nevertheless, while it does strongly suggest the video was edited that is really all it proves.
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#36. To: PSUSA, Original_Intent (#35)
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#40. To: RickyJ (#39)
#41. To: wudidiz (#34)
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#43. To: PSUSA (#42)
#44. To: wudidiz (#38)
Did you watch the video?
#45. To: PSUSA (#44)
I already debunked your claims about that pic.
#46. To: Eric Stratton, *9-11* (#41)
I agree, that "noseout" thing is ridiculous
#47. To: wudidiz, all (#45)
Oh, you're a debunker now are you?
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#51. To: Eric Stratton (#41)
I agree, that "noseout" thing is ridiculous and I never really gave it much thought before
#52. To: PSUSA (#44)
Did you watch the video? Why would I?
#53. To: abraxas (#50)
#54. To: wudidiz, abraxas, PSUSA (#53)
#55. To: HOUNDDAWG, wudidiz, all (#54)
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Mike Walters is a pathetic liar. He is lying about a terrorist attack on U.S. soil which claimed thousands of lives. In the interest of national security, he should be held for questioning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=W1yERU2TeUI&feature=player_related
#56. To: abraxas (#51)
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on the wings doing no damage at the PentaCON
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#58. To: wudidiz (#0)
#59. To: GreyLmist (#58)
Approx. 7 min video with phone interview of "Flt. 175" filmer, Michael Hezarkhani, at around the halfway mark:
#60. To: abraxas (#57)
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We no longer live in the land of opportunity. It's the land of coincidences at a trillion to one odds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=r4xq58cB020&feature=related
#61. To: wudidiz (#40)
Resolution has nothing to do with it.
The two videos, one original live from NBC and the other obviously edited, show two completely different trajectories.
This is not new.
The video, "September Clues" was done years ago.
#62. To: PSUSA (#42)
You have to admit though, the CIA et al are very good at distracting people.
#63. To: wudidiz (#59)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YVUb5BEyz4
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)
Now here he is, pawning off the latest story from the administration that the wings “folded in”
#65. To: RickyJ (#61)
Resolution has nothing to do with it.
#66. To: RickyJ (#65)
I'll kick you in the fucking head
#67. To: wudidiz (#65)
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Resolution has Nothing to do with the different trajectory.
Call me an idiot again and I'll kick you in the fucking head.
#68. To: RickyJ (#67)
#69. To: GreyLmist (#63)
Harkhani video
#70. To: RickyJ (#68)
www.veteranstoday.com/201...e-hit-world-trade-center/
#71. To: wudidiz (#69)
Me: Harkhani video
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#73. To: wudidiz (#69)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b2Uk6ngQD8
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#76. To: GreyLmist (#73)
planes devotees stubbornly stay their course
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#78. To: RickyJ, GreyLmist (#77)
#79. To: All (#78)
#80. To: wudidiz (#78)
Who gives a flying fuck if people think we're nuts?
#81. To: RickyJ (#80)
If you want to overthrow the people who did 9.11, you should care.
#82. To: abraxas (#57)
It is amazing. We no longer live in the land of opportunity. It's the land of coincidences at a trillion to one odds.
#83. To: RickyJ, wudidiz (#76)
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Do you realize, that evidence of video fakery is NOT evidence of no planes?
What does it accomplish to say there were no planes? Does this in anyway make the CIA/Mossad/American military/ MSM any more responsible for 9/11? No, it doesn't.
Pushing a "gravity ball" hit the tower story, even if somehow true, which I highly doubt it is, will not get people to see that 9/11 was an inside job, it will only make people think you are nuts. A ball would have a good shot of being seen by many, so why would they risk disclosure of such technology, if it even exists, when they can just blow a whole in the side of the towers and say planes hit them?
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#95. To: Cynicom (#91)
I dont think there were any buildings. hehehehehehe
#96. To: Eric Stratton (#90)
I only ask because I know two people here in the DC area now w/o "loved ones" lost. One on 77 supposedly. It was her husband, she was a good friend of my wife. He's obviously gone, she's remarried, old house sold, moved, etc. Two kids I believe.
#97. To: GreyLmist (#96)
#98. To: Eric Stratton (#97)
I can't find the pics though, I'm wondering if I threw them out thinking that there was nothing on them. But there were some good telephotos of the site from later that day.
#99. To: Cynicom (#93)
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#100. To: GreyLmist (#98)
#101. To: Eric Stratton (#100)
The task of finding them would have left too much evidence had anyone tried it. LOL
On a separate but related note, it's funny, because if there's one thing that I think when someone says "9/11," besides it being a complete ruse, to me it's the day that LEOs in Amerika became complete AHs.
#102. To: GreyLmist (#101)
#103. To: Eric Stratton (#102)
when you say that there are some "good guy LEOs around there," are they "good" to you b/c you know them? My finding is that they're "good" to those that know them, but some of those that I've known to be "good" I have had to question their behavior towards others, even when I've been around.
to admit, as an LEO, whose job should absolutely revolve around the Constitution, that it's too deep for you, well, I'm half speechless! I just thought that most of those guys didn't give a flying fuck. To just say it's too deep, well for starters then you need to quit immediately and do something else, but secondly, to me that's worse than someone simply abusing the system willfully. One's an open enemy, the other is who knows what besides a spineless, thoughtless ... what, coward?
LOL, I need one of those signs that says, "A Clean Desk is the Sign of a Weak Mind".
#104. To: GreyLmist (#103)
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#105. To: Eric Stratton (#104)
#106. To: GreyLmist (#105)
#107. To: Original_Intent (#32)
Interesting to say the least.
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#108. To: All, *9-11* (#107)
Why would an obviously faked video of a plane hitting the WTC be aired on International news? Why wouldn't they just use a real video of the plane?
#109. To: abraxas (#20)
the most factual thing ever posted by buckeroo
I have no freaking' clue. buckeroo posted on 2010-07-24 21:33:00 ET
#110. To: Eric Stratton (#106)
I have a semi-annual desk cleaning routine.
#111. To: GreyLmist (#110)
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