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Title: Five Minutes After the Rapture
Source: Unclebob's Treehouse
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Published: Aug 23, 2010
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2010-08-23 11:18:34 by Turtle
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Views: 480
Comments: 36

Ralph: Dum de dum dum, dum de dum dum.
Sam: Hey Ralph, look at all this stuff lying all over the sidewalk.
Ralph: Weird…clothes, shoes, socks, keys, wallets…some guy’s dental fillings…a glass eye… an artificial leg…somebody’s heart transplant flopping around in the street…a busted-open suitcase full of martial aids…what is going on here?
Sam: Maybe it’s the Rapture. I heard about it from some guys used to go to tent revival meetings, fall over backwards and start twitching and babbling. One guy's cowboy boots flew off.
Ralph: Yeah, speaking in tongues and “getting saved.” Hillbilly kitsch.
Sam: Look, a brand-new Lamborghini!
Ralph: Look at this in the front seat…a $2000 custom-made suit, a toupee with a pompadour…wallet, keys…damn, it is the Rapture, and now we get all this stuff!
Sam: What ID is in the wallet?
Ralph: Reverend Billy Joe Bob Hargis. Look what else is here…lots of condoms, a notebook with hundreds of call girls’ telephone numbers, some amyl nitrate, a copy of "Gay Boy Toys" magazine with the pages stuck together, a butt plug…I think he was sitting on it.
Sam: I remember reading about this guy’s house in the newspaper. Cost $20 million, a pool, helicopter, all the trimmings.
Ralph: Damn! And now it’s ours! Yahoo!
Sam: I heard he’s got a safe there with millions of dollars in contributions he never reported to the government.
Ralph: The sheeple sure are suckers.
Sam: Buncha brain-dead zombies who believe in Jesus-the-Terminator, who’s going to bring slaughter and destruction to the world because they think that’s how he’s going to save it. That’s Christian?
Ralph: I always remember Jesus putting down people like that. Ah, forget them, they’re all gone. Think of all the porn and guns and booze I’ve heard this riff-raff has in his mansion!
Sam: You know those Evangelical preachers. Either he’s got videos of himself and two 12-year-old blonde girls, or else it’s meth and man ass!
Ralph: This is great! God really did take those crap-for-brains Evangelicals, the ones trying to return us to the 7th Century. Thank you, God, even if you never did get me the pony and the bong I wanted for Christmas!
Sam: All fanatics of whatever religion, they’ve done nothing but impede progress. They all think they’re right and anyone who disagrees with them is evil. That’s a sure-fire recipe for disaster.
Ralph: Dibs on the driver’s seat! Vroom!

Reverend Billy Joe Bob Hargis: You call this the Rapture?
Satan: For those left behind it is. You want an ice cube?
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#1. To: Turtle (#0)

I like the old apocalyptic novels of the Seventies like Beast, now quite rare. It is funny, the way The Turner Diaries are a hoot. You have a Jewish homosexual president kissing Satan's hiney in the White House and other epic suspenseful stories in Beast. A common theme is that of rich liberal churchmen (like Episcopalian bishops) riding in their limousines making fun of fundamentalists and enjoying some cocktails when, suddenly, their driver who is a devout Christian suddenly gets raptured and leaves them without a driver and headed at highway speed for a cliff. Take that, Bishop Lightfoot!

In the Boyle book I mentioned on the other thread, he showed pictures of the wonderful placemats in the third picture below. Imagine inviting your guests to dine off these beauties! Click the title link to go to Blogspot and you can click this thumbnail and see the full-sized version of this Rapture art classic.
R U Ready 4 the Rapture?

pssst - this last one, called, simply, The Rapture, was painted by Charles Anderson. It's my long-standing favorite Rapture depiction. Click on it and check out the details - little white dots being raptured out of the airplane, people coming out of graves, car wrecks and mayhem... plus it's the old Dallas skyline as seen driving north into town on I-35. So much to love about this picture. And it looks like you can still get a huge 22 x 28 print of it and lots of other End Time and Tribulation materials from the Bible Believer's Evangelistic Association in Sherman, Texas. Here's their website, although it's hard to imagine that they're still around. I used to see them set up at area flea markets back in the 1980s, and they seemed ancient then. So I would write or email first before sending payment. And I don't see it on their list, but you might inquire if they still sell the nice laminated placemats of The Rapture which are a great witnessing tool when you have friends over for a meal, or maybe just something to contemplate over a solitary Hungry Man TV dinner.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-23 12:51:08 ET (4 images) Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Turtle (#0) (Edited)
You ever hear of "The Great Disappointment"?
It's a rather funny title coined by people selling everything they own, sitting on a hill for hours waiting for the rapture, and getting nothing for it but dirty pantaloons.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
PSUSA posted on 2010-08-23 12:53:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Turtle (#0)
The full-sized placemat I have lusted after, I must confess. Imagine dining in style off these fine examples of apocalyptic chic.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-23 13:15:36 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: PSUSA (#2)
You ever hear of "The Great Disappointment"?

It relates to the Millerites. The day was October 22, 1844.
Yes, there were many disappointed Millerites. No heaven for them, no hell on earth for everybody else.
Their members were drawn from Presby, Baptist, and Campbellite churches though they tended to sever these ties as the Great Date approached.
They did regroup somewhat and there were a few recalculations of their predictions which led to a few more Lesser Disappointments. Most of the remaining Millerites then formed the Seventh Day Adventist churches. A smaller number engaged in apocalyptic bible study groups and a dissident faction of these bible students (armed with Scofield bibles) separated and formed Jehovah's Witnesses in the 1930's.
Later on, David Koresh gained fame from the Branch Davidians, a direct modern offshoot of the Millerite movement. Janet Reno murdered all of them on orders from Bill Xlinton.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-23 13:23:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: TooConservative (#4)
They did regroup somewhat and there were a few recalculations of their predictions which led to a few more Lesser Disappointments. Most of the remaining Millerites then formed the Seventh Day Adventist churches. A smaller number engaged in apocalyptic bible study groups and a dissident faction of these bible students (armed with Scofield bibles) separated and formed Jehovah's Witnesses in the 1930's.

As Robert Heinlein suggested in one of his novels, these wackos should be isolated from the rest of society.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Flintlock posted on 2010-08-23 13:53:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: Flintlock (#5)
As Robert Heinlein suggested in one of his novels, these wackos should be isolated from the rest of society.

Which wackos are we going to confine? And where? How about that empty private prison in Hardin MT? LOL.
America is a pretty target-rich environment for wackos, morons and hucksters (and not just the religious kind).

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-23 14:24:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
Which wackos are we going to confine? And where?

"We"? I'm not confining anybody, my only wish is to leave this cursed country. In the novel the religious wackos are given part of the country and a impenetrable wall is built around it.
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Flintlock posted on 2010-08-23 17:08:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Flintlock (#7)
"We"? I'm not confining anybody, my only wish is to leave this cursed country. In the novel the religious wackos are given part of the country and a impenetrable wall is built around it.

You seem to be referring to the short story, Coventry, which was published in pulp magazines initially and then in the collection of stories called Revolt In 2100.
I'm not the biggest Heinlein fan. He was more than a bit of a fascist and flagwaving jingoist. And some of his late sci-fi was downright embarrassing drivel; it should not have been published.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-23 19:56:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: TooConservative (#3)
Gotta love the ghosts rising from cemetery in lower right section of that picture.
Were all good people traditionally crucified, up until right now this minute?
"Chicago politicians are NOT officially dead until they have failed to vote in TWO presidential elections.” - Cynicom
Dakmar posted on 2010-08-23 20:01:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: Flintlock (#5)
The name of the book is 'Time Enough for Love.'

Ferret posted on 2010-08-23 20:01:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Ferret (#10)
The name of the book is 'Time Enough for Love.'

Dr. Jones?
"Chicago politicians are NOT officially dead until they have failed to vote in TWO presidential elections.” - Cynicom
Dakmar posted on 2010-08-23 20:02:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: TooConservative (#8)
Revolt In 2100.

that's exactly where I read it
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Flintlock posted on 2010-08-23 20:47:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Ferret (#10)
The name of the book is 'Time Enough for Love.'

weasel
As usual, you're wrong.....again
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Flintlock posted on 2010-08-23 20:48:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: TooConservative, Flintlock (#8)
"We"? I'm not confining anybody, my only wish is to leave this cursed country. In the novel the religious wackos are given part of the country and a impenetrable wall is built around it.
You seem to be referring to the short story, Coventry, which was published in pulp magazines initially and then in the collection of stories called Revolt In 2100.
I'm not the biggest Heinlein fan. He was more than a bit of a fascist and flagwaving jingoist. And some of his late sci-fi was downright embarrassing drivel; it should not have been published.

I grew up reading him. While I did not care for a lot of his later stuff the novels up to and including "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" were great. He was just the medicine this, fatherless after 14, boy needed. I would have to say that he set a lot of my attitudes on morality and honor. I would not describe him as "jingoistic" although he was very much a patriot and if you read his nonfiction he became more and more libertarian as the years went by. He was however, a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis. He was released on a medical disability from Malaria if I recall - picked up when he was stationed in the Panama Canal Zone. Much of his stuff is still readable although some of the technology has begun to pass by some of his 1950's stories. Just as with some of the great writers of the "Golden Age" of Science Fiction in the 1930's. Some however is still quite readable - Jack Williamson and the Legion of Space Novels, E.E. Doc Smith (a friend of Heinlein's - and he continue writing into the 60's before his death), Edmond Hamilton (Star Wolf), and others. It was visionary fiction and we are on the cusp of doing much of what they talked and wrote about - no doubt in part because they talked and wrote about it.
Oh, and Flintlock - you seem to have run two Heinlein Stories together - "Revolt in 2100" which is about a religious dictatorship which is overthrown, and Coventry which takes place in the same setting some number of years after the revolt. Coventry is where they put all the people who couldn't behave and insisted upon violating the rights of others.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-23 21:10:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Ferret (#10)
"Time Enough For Love" (one of two Heinlein novels that I actually bought in hard back) was a continuation of the story of Lazarus Long, begun in the novelette "Methuselah's Children, the oldest man alive (about 2500 at the time of the story). It was one of his longest novels. On balance I enjoyed it but by then he was becoming enamored of kinky sex and writing of it fairly openly for the day.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-23 21:14:15 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)
Yeah, old Bob Heinlein kind of lost me at the end of his writing career too for the same reason.
The first book by him I read was 'Rocket ship Galileo.'

Ferret posted on 2010-08-23 21:31:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Flintlock (#13)
"As usual, you're wrong.....again"

No matter, you got me curious so I Googled it and that is what I got.
I was never really keen on his last works anyway.

Ferret posted on 2010-08-23 21:33:12 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: Original_Intent (#14)
Oh, and Flintlock - you seem to have run two Heinlein Stories together - "Revolt in 2100" which is about a religious dictatorship which is overthrown, and Coventry which takes place in the same setting some number of years after the revolt. Coventry is where they put all the people who couldn't behave and insisted upon violating the rights of others.

Not at all. I think we're disagreeing on the packaging, not the content. I read this exact book which contained two full books

Revolt in 2100 & Methuselah's Children.
If you look at the index, you'll see "Revolt" was actually 3 short stories, which are:
"If This Goes On - "
Coventry
Misfit
I haven't read all his books yet, but I have them all. I do most my reading while traveling outside of the USA and I haven't been out for 3 years but that's about to change.
Moon was awesome, I've read it more than once
WWGPD? - (What Would General Pinochet Do?)
Flintlock posted on 2010-08-23 22:18:58 ET (1 image) Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Original_Intent (#15)
On balance I enjoyed it but by then he was becoming enamored of kinky sex and writing of it fairly openly for the day.

Isn't that pretty much his last work? And since it was semi-autobiographical (with regard to Lazurus and his squeeze and the daughter and her husband), I especially disliked his weird bisexual bit about his real-life son-in-law. An old geeze doesn't really need to tell us that he's willing to smoke a pole but of course only if his son-in-law really really needs the sexual outlet. UGH.
Icky, icky stuff. He should not have written that book. It was so ridiculously over-hyped before it was published and then many of us recoiled from it.
Beyond the ickiness, it was drivel compared to the kind of writing he did in Methuselah's Children, probably my favorite book by him though I liked a lot of his short stories too.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-23 22:52:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: Ferret (#16)
Yeah, old Bob Heinlein kind of lost me at the end of his writing career too for the same reason.
The first book by him I read was 'Rocket ship Galileo.'

As best I recall the first Heinlein novel I read was "Space Cadet" - which I got off of the Seattle Public Library's Book Mobile toward the end of 5th Grade. I think I still have it somewhere. We moved and it got packed by someone, my mom I think, and I never got a chance to return it. Maybe I should trek up to Seattle and drop in the drop box. That would blow their mind.
The first Science Fiction story I ever read was in 2nd Grade and it was Lester DelRay's "Rocket To Luna".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-23 23:51:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: Flintlock (#18)
The story "If This Goes On ..." is the one I was thinking of. The other two showed up in other collections, and although they have characters in common they had previously only been printed as parts of larger collections. I have to wonder if Heinlein was a Mason because the rebels in "If This Goes On ..." had all of the trappings of a Masonic Lodge.
Methuselah's children has one of the characters from "Misfit" (the central character - "Libby") in a minor role in "Methuselah's Children".
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-23 23:59:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: TooConservative (#3)
Somehow this reminds me of an old Al Jaffee painting in MAD magazine. He liked to do elaborate scenes of things going terribly wrong with a Norman Rockwell-esque slice-of-life style.
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
PnbC posted on 2010-08-24 0:07:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Original_Intent (#21)
Heinlein was a much earlier writer but, for all his reputation, he had none of the great literary talent of Frank Herbert who wrote the Dune series.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-24 0:08:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: TooConservative (#19)
Isn't that pretty much his last work?

No, he had at least three others that I can think of after that - "To Sail Beyond The Sunset", "Friday", and "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" (which I have in hard bound). I don't think I've read "To Sail Beyond The Sunset". The other two I have read, "Friday" was fairly straightforward fiction set in a Dystopian society, and the other, "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls", played with alternative universes (which he did in "Time Enough For Love" as well - as we learn in the story that Lazarus Long inhabits a different universe with a different earth than ours).
As he got older he got more and more offbeat. I know he had, from his comments in his nonfiction, felt constrained by the mores of the 50's and 60's and so I think when he was finally able to actually write about adult topics he went a little overboard.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-24 0:08:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: TooConservative (#23)
He was not the stylist Herbert was but he was a good story teller. Herbert, other than the original Dune, I found unreadable. I think, like Mervyn Peake, that his prose was turgid, and had he worried more about telling the story than telling it with the right stylistic flourishes his fiction would have been more engaging.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-24 0:13:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: PnbC (#22)
Somehow this reminds me of an old Al Jaffee painting in MAD magazine. He liked to do elaborate scenes of things going terribly wrong with a Norman Rockwell-esque slice-of-life style.

I have an aunt who is coming to visit. She actually lives in Sherman TX where this Bible Believers Association is located.
I may email her husband and see if he will score me a set of those awesome placemats if they still have any in stock.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-24 0:15:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Original_Intent (#25) (Edited)
Herbert, as a writer, could create a rich and deep cultural and historical narrative, far beyond the talents of so many writers who tried to write 'future history' type novels. IMO, only Herbert succeeded in a way that stands the test of time.
The entire Dune series was quite good, got maybe a little weird toward the end as he tried to introduce a few new themes into the mix and sex it up a little. He wrote a superb early novel on machine intelligence called Destination Void that really was groundbreaking and it became the basis of a few more mediocre novels like the Dosadi Experiment. He had a half-decent eco-novel with giant bugs that evolved as a result of pesticide-eradication programs, well, it didn't quite work.
The Dune series should be considered his real life work. And it was enough all by itself.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-24 0:19:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: Original_Intent (#20)
Lester DelRay

Didn't he write that nuclear meltdown short story thriller, Nerves? Great story. Like Asimov's Nightfall, a few of these really deserved to be made into movies and had a storyline that would have worked well as a movie. I used to have a large collection of old sci-fi. Never cared as much for the stuff from the Seventies onward other than a few like Frank Herbert.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-24 0:23:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: TooConservative (#27)
A writer you might enjoy who was contemporary with Heinlein, but was more elaborate in his historical background would be H. Beam Piper. You can find a lot of his stuff on Project Gutenberg as he is dead and the copyrights expired.
Two I would highly recommend would be "Omnilingual" (a short story) and "The Cosmic Computer" which is novel length. Both are available on the Project Gutenberg Website as free downloads.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-24 0:27:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Original_Intent (#29)
H. Beam Piper

Ah, Fuzzies!
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
PnbC posted on 2010-08-24 0:30:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Original_Intent (#29)
Two I would highly recommend would be "Omnilingual" (a short story) and "The Cosmic Computer" which is novel length. Both are available on the Project Gutenberg Website as free downloads.

Read 'em. Good stuff as I recall them.
I have a huge ebook collection I still rifle through now and again. So much easier than keeping bookshelves of this stuff even if reading off a screen or iPod isn't as handy as paper books.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-24 0:36:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: TooConservative (#28)
Lester DelRay
Didn't he write that nuclear meltdown short story thriller, Nerves? Great story. Like Asimov's Nightfall, a few of these really deserved to be made into movies and had a storyline that would have worked well as a movie. I used to have a large collection of old sci-fi. Never cared as much for the stuff from the Seventies onward other than a few like Frank Herbert.

I don't know about "Nerves" as it is not one I've read. I tend to agree that the quality of Science Fiction has gone down. The books have gotten longer but they are just longer not better. A few that I have enjoyed who wrote from the 70's on were Marion Zimmer Bradley (dead now sadly), Alan Dean Foster's "Flinx and Pip" stories are good Science Fiction as is "Ice Rigger" and its sequel "Mission to Moloukin". Brian Daley's Trilogy I forget all three titles but two of them are "Jinx on a Terran Inheritance" and the concluding novel "The White Ship Avatar". I'm very fussy about Science Fiction and have gotten to where a lot of it is just not my cup of tea any more. Battlefield Earth was a good read. The movie sucked. As did the movie of "Starship Troopers". Lucas is one of the few Hollywood types who has ever managed to actually get Science Fiction substantially right.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-24 0:42:03 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: PnbC (#30)
H. Beam Piper
Ah, Fuzzies!

Exactly! "Little Fuzzy" was my introduction to Piper. So sad that he gave up and committed suicide. He was destined to be one of the greats. I wish he had written more of his "Empire" Stories.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-24 0:45:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: TooConservative (#31)
Two I would highly recommend would be "Omnilingual" (a short story) and "The Cosmic Computer" which is novel length. Both are available on the Project Gutenberg Website as free downloads.
Read 'em. Good stuff as I recall them.
I have a huge ebook collection I still rifle through now and again. So much easier than keeping bookshelves of this stuff even if reading off a screen or iPod isn't as handy as paper books.

Got it. Another one, if you have not read it, would be "Space Viking" and "Uller Uprising". However, riffling through Gutenberg's collection is worthwhile. It has a lot of Piper's short stories that are just not available anywhere else.
I hear you on the e-book collection. I much prefer a REAL book but some of the older Science Fiction is simply not available any other way than as e-books.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Original_Intent posted on 2010-08-24 0:49:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Original_Intent (#32) (Edited)
Battlefield Earth was a good read. The movie sucked. As did the movie of "Starship Troopers".

Travolta did that movie as his religious duty to Scientology, I think.
Troopers wasn't all that bad. They did two sequels. I saw the last one. It was awful beyond words. Truly a stinkeroo. Deserved to go straight to Mystery Science 3000, no theaters, no DVD release.
I googled and Lester Del Ray did write Nerves in 1956. He was quite good at writing suspense.

TooConservative posted on 2010-08-24 6:54:22 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: TooConservative (#35) (Edited)
Bad SF movies I think goes back to Hollywood, in the main, treats it as "kitsch". They inevitably fail in getting the point of speculative and imaginative fiction which that it is simply drama and adventure in a different setting. Lucas, gets the point.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
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