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Title: We Need A Revolution, Not A Movement
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Published: Aug 26, 2010
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2010-08-26 20:49:44 by christine
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The elections of 2008 (and the early elections of 2010) produced two significant phenomena: the "Ron Paul Revolution," and the "Tea Party Movement." And, mark it down: both of them will have profound effects upon the upcoming November elections--and upon the 2012 elections as well. Call them what you want, however, America doesn't need another movement; it needs a genuine revolution. The Tea Party movement, while still a force with which to be contended, has already been diluted and compromised. The primary elections plainly reveal the reality of this fact. The high spots so far are the defeats of Arlen Specter in Pennsylvania and Bob Bennett in Utah. The low spots so far are the reelection of John McCain in Arizona and the election of Dan Coats in Indiana. John McCain's election, in particular, demonstrates how many conservatives and "revolutionaries" still don't get it. If any State in the union should have an up-close-and-personal look at what we are up against, it would be the people of Arizona. After all, they are on the front lines in the fight of one of the most important battles currently being waged in our country: illegal immigration. And John McCain is one of the worst offenders in terms of facilitating and encouraging this illegal invasion. Yet the people of Arizona reelected McCain to the US Senate. (It would interesting to know how many illegal aliens voted for McCain, would it not?) Then again, John McCain received the enthusiastic endorsement of former Alaska governor, Sarah Palin. This endorsement obviously brought McCain thousands of Tea Party votes that otherwise would have gone to his principal opponent, J.D. Hayworth. McCain is not the only Big-Government globalist neocon to receive Palin's endorsement. Many of Palin's endorsees are neocons; which leads to one of the biggest problems with any so-called conservative movement: allowing celebrity-type "conservatives" to become the de facto leaders and spokesmen for what should be a true grassroots, people-generated rebellion. Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are the two biggest culprits in this regard. Mark my words: Palin and Beck may see themselves as part of a conservative "movement," but they want nothing to do with an old-fashioned, honest-to-God, Patrick Henry-style revolution. In fact, they are doing everything in their power to keep such a revolution from taking place. This does not mean that Palin and Beck do not contribute some good things to freedom's fight. They do. The problem is, for every good thing they contribute they counterbalance it by supporting establishment principals, such as John McCain and Newt Gingrich, and attacking non-establishment players and ideas, which serves only to keep the Big-Government power structure firmly ensconced in Washington, D.C. Get real, folks, and start thinking for yourselves. Ask yourself why Fox News never (or hardly ever) invites non-establishment patriots to appear on their network. Why do you not see former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts on Fox News? Why do you not see former Georgia congressman and Presidential candidate Bob Barr on Fox News? Why do you not see former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura on Fox News? Why do you not see former Director of the US Office of Economic Opportunity and Presidential candidate Howard Phillips on Fox News? Why do you not see Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin on Fox News? The list is endless. Fox News is not "fair and balanced." It is as controlled and manipulated as any other media news network. The only thing it balances is the other networks' infatuation with the Democrat Party, by promoting Republican candidates and ideas. What it does not do is educate and inform the American people with the truth as to what both major parties are doing to destroy our country. But remember, Fox News is owned by Keith Rupert Murdoch, the same man who helped finance Hillary Clinton's campaign for the US Senate, and who is as much of a globalist as anyone in Washington, D.C., or New York City. As an aside, and speaking of Hillary Rodham, I predict that she will replace Vice President Joe Biden BEFORE the 2012 elections. I've said that in private for many weeks, and now say it in this column--remember, you heard it here. The Clinton-Bush Crime Syndicate (CBCS) needs Hillary in the White House badly, and Obama has readily accepted a subservient role in the criminal affairs of CBCS (for very profitable reasons, no doubt). And with the CBCS bosses pretty much running things at the White House (they don't worry about domestic or social issues, providing that these do not interfere with their international criminal activities), is it any wonder that Obama has already taken more vacations than most Presidents take during an entire term? And it is the influence of globalists and neocons upon national and international politics that the likes of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck simply do not get--or do not want to get. And because many Tea Partiers are so enamored with these two (and allow them to do much of their thinking for them), they remain clueless as well. Ladies and gentlemen, America is in the throes of socialist and Marxist political upheaval. The curtain could fall at any time. The American people need to wake up to this truism: a "conservative" movement--even a conservative Tea Party movement--will not save us. The only thing that will save us is an old-fashioned State revolt. Arizona had the opportunity to become a modern-day version of 1775 Massachusetts. But Arizona has probably forfeited that leadership role by 1) reelecting John McCain, and 2) being willing to allow federal courts to dictate law to a sovereign State. Instead of taking its case to the federal courts, Arizona should simply tell the federal government that it will enforce its own State laws (including the newly enacted anti-illegal immigration law) regardless of what any federal court says or doesn't say. At some point, that is exactly what some State (or group of states) in this union is going to have to do, or liberty will be forever lost. As long as freedom lovers are content to remain satisfied with the status quo by allowing party politics and media celebrities to dominate their efforts, there will be no stopping this socialist avalanche that is crashing down upon us. The Tea Party movement of 2010 (if left free of Big-Government neocons) could certainly translate into positive developments this November; that is for sure. A revival of the "Ron Paul Revolution" in 2012 could also make a significant contribution, but it is going to take a State revolution to seal the deal. I, for one, am ready.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
Thats an easy one. Take a look at who signs the paychecks at Fox. He aint Irish. Jews work BOTH sides of the street.
For that we need a fire eating, rabble rouser leader. Someone not owned and operated by the system. None now nor on the horizon, that means the slide into total State control is on the near horizon.
Ol' Chuck nails it again. Glad I voted for him.
Relax ...... kick back ...."Its another country" by the Electric Flag. "we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
Chuck Baldwin is a smart man and (in my opinion anyway) a really good man.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic. The cries for revolution become more numerous every day. Two things are needed, they need to be louder, and for someone to step forward on the national scene, and take up the cause.
So you stick your neck out. Lets see how far you can run.
"we ought to lay off the criticism" -- Pinguinite, circa 2010-05-26 22:17:22 ET
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
Good article. In 2008 I managed to educate and convince a friend and co-worker to vote for Ron Paul (eligible for write-ins in CA) instead of Obama. Unfortunately he has an overly optimistic view of the Tea Party and doesn't quite see Glenn Beck for the fascist that he is. At least he isn't taken in by Palin.
Democrats don't mind war as long as they can have big government. Republicans don't mind big government as long as they can have war.
As if the voters had anything to do with a rigged election.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. Yep.
“Ask any Indian nation how it preserves itself. It isn’t by letting anyone and everyone claim to be Indian. There are exceptions, but they are not the rule.” -- Eric Holder
I'm going to need both. I always have a good movement before I go getting myself into a fight.
Get real, folks, and start thinking for yourselves. Ask yourself why Fox News never (or hardly ever) invites non-establishment patriots to appear on their network. Why do you not see former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts on Fox News? Why do you not see former Georgia congressman and Presidential candidate Bob Barr on Fox News? Why do you not see former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura on Fox News? Why do you not see former Director of the US Office of Economic Opportunity and Presidential candidate Howard Phillips on Fox News? Why do you not see Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin on Fox News? The list is endless.
#2. To: christine (#0)
Ladies and gentlemen, America is in the throes of socialist and Marxist political upheaval. The curtain could fall at any time. The American people need to wake up to this truism: a "conservative" movement--even a conservative Tea Party movement--will not save us. The only thing that will save us is an old-fashioned State revolt.
#3. To: christine (#0)
What it does not do is educate and inform the American people with the truth as to what both major parties are doing to destroy our country.
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#4. To: christine (#0)
#5. To: hondo68 (#3)
Lord Acton
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
#7. To: Cynicom (#6)
... and for someone to step forward on the national scene, and take up the cause.
#8. To: Cynicom, 4 (#6)
#9. To: christine (#0)
#10. To: Cynicom (#1)
#11. To: Cynicom (#6)
#12. To: christine (#0)
#13. To: christine (#0)
John McCain's election, in particular, demonstrates how many conservatives and "revolutionaries" still don't get it.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#14. To: christine (#0)
Arizona had the opportunity to become a modern-day version of 1775 Massachusetts. But Arizona has probably forfeited that leadership role by 1) reelecting John McCain, and 2) being willing to allow federal courts to dictate law to a sovereign State. Instead of taking its case to the federal courts, Arizona should simply tell the federal government that it will enforce its own State laws (including the newly enacted anti-illegal immigration law) regardless of what any federal court says or doesn't say. At some point, that is exactly what some State (or group of states) in this union is going to have to do, or liberty will be forever lost.
#15. To: christine (#0)
We Need A Revolution, Not A Movement
Waiting too late to oppose tyranny has always led to bloodshed.
Hair Extensions Five Towns Merrick Manhasset Roslyn Massapequa Amityville Wantagh Farmingdale East Meadow Long Island, NY
#16. To: Cynicom (#2) (Edited)
Someone not owned and operated by the system. None now nor on the horizon, that means the slide into total State control is on the near horizon. I hear that the corpse of Vladimir Lenin is available for rent at reasonable rates, maybe somebody could prop him up on a stage alongside a flag standard and exclaim "What Would Lenin Do?!?" to kick it off?? Hehehehe
For that we need a fire eating, rabble rouser leader.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#17. To: X-15 (#16)
Not true, false. Only the head of Lenin is there. I remember that from somewhere, long ago.
I hear that the corpse of Vladimir Lenin is available
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
Who better to "head" up a revolution?? Cough, cough, ahem, A-hem.....
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#19. To: Eric Stratton (#11)
I cannot agree with that. ALL MOVEMENTS, REVOLUTIONS HAVE...ONE AND ONLY ONE LEADER. The rest of us are followers, foot soldiers, but not armchair warriors. History shows us, that for good or evil, any time a charismatic leader appears on the world stage, thousands of followers actually bring on the revolution. Our revolution had one and only one leader when the time came to revolt, that was Washington. Can we imagine if all the founding Fathers were hell bent on leading????? The rabble (armchair warriors) raise the cry, only one steps forward to lead. That is the way it is done.
Unfortunately 90% of them are from armchair warriors that don't want to risk anything.
#20. To: X-15 (#18)
Thats terrible.
Cough, cough, ahem, A-hem.....
#21. To: Cynicom (#20)
I thought you came to freedom4um to partake in the tacky, tasteless humor?? I know I do.... ;-)
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#22. To: X-15 (#21)
Well, maybe a little, such as Turtle. I came here because I was thrown out of every other forum. Most of them were very unkind.
I thought you came to freedom4um to partake in the tacky, tasteless humor?? I know I do.... ;-)
#23. To: Cynicom (#19)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#24. To: Cynicom (#6)
Two things are needed, they need to be louder, and for someone to step forward on the national scene, and take up the cause. I agree. And I don't think it is any too early to talk about it either. Can you imagine any of the founders putting up with a tenth of the $#it their descendants do on a daily basis?
The cries for revolution become more numerous every day.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#25. To: Eric Stratton (#23)
Agree 100 per cent. We should consider ourselves at least one step ahead of the crowd, in that at least we recognize the danger. However that does not qualify me as arrogant enough to believe I have the talent to step forward, and fall flat on my face. It will take someone that IS or WILL BE known on the national stage for some reason or other. He or she would not have to be a politician. Just somehow have or get national notoriety. The armchair warriors or followers are there, as demonstrated by 20,000,000 of them voting for Perot.
Meanwhile, what I've been telling them, that they can always get more money, they cannot always get more liberty, has completely fallen on deaf ears as they think I've lost it.
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#24)
True... Eric called it right, too many want to risk nothing, play it safe, go along to get along. The Founding Fathers all stuck their necks out, there were many of them and most all were well known figures. Calls for Joe Sixpack to stick his neck out is ludicrous. He would be dead meat in a week.
Can you imagine any of the founders putting up with a tenth of the $#it their descendants do on a daily basis?
#27. To: christine (#0)
And yet Alex Jones gets on. Hmmm?
Get real, folks, and start thinking for yourselves. Ask yourself why Fox News never (or hardly ever) invites non-establishment patriots to appear on their network. Why do you not see former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Paul Craig Roberts on Fox News? Why do you not see former Georgia congressman and Presidential candidate Bob Barr on Fox News? Why do you not see former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura on Fox News? Why do you not see former Director of the US Office of Economic Opportunity and Presidential candidate Howard Phillips on Fox News? Why do you not see Presidential candidate Chuck Baldwin on Fox News? The list is endless.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
#28. To: hondo68 (#3)
Ol' Chuck nails it again. Glad I voted for him. I cast my vote for Chuck with pride!
What it does not do is educate and inform the American people with the truth as to what both major parties are doing to destroy our country.
#29. To: Cynicom, James Deffenbach, Eric Stratton, christine, all (#6) (Edited)
I would personally have a great deal of trouble in following someone that I don't know. And all of those that I do know, I wouldn't follow out into the back yard, much less into a fight. There are a lot of wannabe "leaders" out there. None that I know of have the talent for it. And, their motives for wanting to be a leader are suspect. They will get louder, imo, when things get bad. Things aren't bad enough yet. And a leader will emerge after the fight starts, not before. Out 1st revolution started without a leader, and so will our third. If you think someone with the charisma of a Che or Fidel will come along and lead, imo you are mistaken. We aren't peasants and we don't care about personal charisma or silly slogans. But the principles that they and other guerrilla leaders used still apply. .
Two things are needed, they need to be louder, and for someone to step forward on the national scene, and take up the cause.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#30. To: Cynicom (#25)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#31. To: Cynicom, All (#19) (Edited)
America-First. Pro-gun. Not a rabid ZioNutter. Smart. Totally gets it. Probably not very mechanically adept though. Dammit.
History shows us, that for good or evil, any time a charismatic leader appears on the world stage, thousands of followers actually bring on the revolution.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#32. To: PSUSA (#29)
They were evil men. None of our founding Fathers were evil, in fact none of the men that brought about the Civil War were evil. If we are not peasants,we should know who is evil or not????
If you think someone with the charisma of a Che or Fidel will come along and lead, imo you are mistaken.
#33. To: 4 (#0)
Truer words were never spoken. Beck, just now, was crying on air while praying for the success of his gathering tomorrow morning. He has told people to leave their signs home and if trouble comes their way to "lock arms", reminiscent of Selma, Alabama circa 1963. This asshat doesn't realize he's white and those tactics worked exactly once. Tomorrow, the Blind Prophet will have a bad day.
Mark my words: Palin and Beck may see themselves as part of a conservative "movement," but they want nothing to do with an old-fashioned, honest-to-God, Patrick Henry-style revolution. In fact, they are doing everything in their power to keep such a revolution from taking place.
#34. To: Cynicom (#32)
Maybe. I doubt it. In order for them to have succeeded they needed the support of the citizens that were being raked over the coals by their own governments. You cant have that support by being evil. It would have been interesting to have met and talked with these men, in order to see how what they said and did is different from what we've been taught. But apart from their morality, their tactics and strategy works. I focus on that, not the morality of the men. They worked out the principles of modern guerrilla warfare. They've shown what works, and they are quite open about their mistakes that they made in learning. None of our founding Fathers were evil, I disagree with that. One does not look the other way, or benefit from the kidnapping of slaves. Those chickens are coming home to roost, again. .
They were evil men.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Beck is a well paid Pied Piper, nothing else. Like Limbaugh said many years ago, "I am an entertainer, nothing else". People refuse to accept that.
Beck, just now, was crying on air
#36. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Beck is what he is. I could personally do without the tearful crap and the constant invoking of Jesus. The patriot movement doesn't need that fairy tale nonsense. However, whatever one thinks of him, he is putting himself out there. I guess, with all due respect, to all those who are being snide or condescending about him and say he's getting in the way of your revolution, I have to ask "what's keeping you from starting it?" Reminds me of my mom's brother Don and his brother in law, Bob. Uncle Don and I were close when I was a kid, and always did repair and upkeep stuff on my grandmother's farm. Uncle Bob always had a better way to do whatever it was we were doing, but he always did it from a chair in the shade. Whenever I'd take a break, Bob would always tell me how he would do it if he was out there, and when I'd go back to work, I'd dutifully chime in to Uncle Don about the advice I'd just gotten. Most days, he'd just shake his head and keep working without comment, but one day, Don had enough. He slammed the blade of his shovel into the ground, stood up straight, dripping sweat, and said "well, son, your Uncle Bob is full of shit. Never take advice on running a shovel from a man with soft hands."
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Beck, just now, was crying on air
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
He (Gordon Duff) also implies that forcibly removing Obama, a Constitution-hating, on-the-down-low, crackhead Communist, is an attack on America, Mom, and apple pie. I swear these military people are worse than useless. Just look around at the condition of the country and tell me if they have fulfilled their oaths to protect the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic.
OsamaBinGoldstein posted on 2010-05-25 9:39:59 ET (2 images) Reply Trace
#38. To: PSUSA (#34)
Castro for example... His daughter, his grand daughter and his sister are all American citizens, they despise the man as evil. His two offspring were here a few weeks ago, doing the college lecture tour. They had NO problem characterizing the man and his deeds, none. His greatest evil???? He paraded himself as a staunch Roman Catholic, thereby garnering the backing of the Vatican in his revolution. Surprise, once he had the yoke on the backs of the people he declared himself a non believing Communist. An evil man as was Che, a medical doctor, that had no compunction on killing people.
Maybe. I doubt it
#39. To: Samuel Gray (#36)
Point well taken.
However, whatever one thinks of him, he is putting himself out there. I guess, with all due respect, to all those who are being snide or condescending about him and say he's getting in the way of your revolution, I have to ask "what's keeping you from starting it?"
#40. To: Cynicom (#38)
And what is a revolution? In a war, you kill people. Guerrilla warfare has been used by communists, because they didn't have a regular army when they started. But it works. It will work for us and is the only option open to us. Just because we're not communists doesn't mean that we can't use their tactics, because they have proven that those tactics work, and that is all that matters. .
An evil man as was Che, a medical doctor, that had no compunction on killing people.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39) (Edited)
As I said, with all due respect. Look around you when you walk down the street or go to Wally World or the supermarket. All around. Stand out in the main aisle and take in the view. 999/1000 of these people are not worth a revolution to save them. They'll laugh in your face when you explain high ideals and tradition and limited constitutional government, if they can even spell it. Should you manage to be successful with a hard reset, they'll be clogging the streets and phone lines complaining about where all the Federal money went and why there aren't programs in place to structure their lives. You think any of these soft fat fucks even *knows* that counties used to empanel civil juries to build and maintain local roads? The original "Adopt a Highway" program. Can you truly see *any* of them out shovelling asphalt or gravel into potholes? And that's just ONE duty to discharge. Liberty requires vigilance. Vigilance requires patience and the collective memory of *why* you're watching what you're watching so closely. We have none of that. Could Liberty speak, in fact, she'd invoke the words of the bible when addressing us: "depart from me, I never knew you." Freedom is a full time job and frankly, US citizens are all too content to sit around drawing unemployment.
#42. To: Samuel Gray (#41)
That statement is all too true. We must remember, in any revolution, it is brought forth by a small minority, not by the grazing masses. Less than one third of the Colonists did anything to fight the Revolutionary War. Nearly eight out of ten sat on their hands, did nothing or sided with the Brits.
Freedom is a full time job and frankly, US citizens are all too content to sit around drawing unemployment.
#43. To: PSUSA (#29)
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The relationship between morality and liberty is a directly proportional one.
#44. To: Eric Stratton (#43)
The writer of the Suffolk Papers was Dr. Joseph Warren. His commission as a Major General, to lead the fight was enroute on opening day of the war. His commission had not arrived so he fought and died opening day as a private in the ranks. The task then became Washingtons.
Out 1st revolution started without a leader, and so will our third.
#45. To: Samuel Gray (#41)
I know you're not talking to me, but I have no choice but to comment ;) We need more discontent. And we'll get it. 999/1000 of these people are not worth a revolution to save them. They'll laugh in your face when you explain high ideals and tradition and limited constitutional government, if they can even spell it. Then they'll laugh themselves into a grave. Sitting on the sidelines won't save anyone. .
Freedom is a full time job and frankly, US citizens are all too content to sit around drawing unemployment.
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I've listened to preachers I've listened to fools I've watched all the dropouts Who make their own rules One person conditioned to rule and control The media sells it and you live the role ~Ozzy Osbourne: Crazy Train
#46. To: farmfriend (#13)
This bears repeating. There is no accountability with computer voting. While no system is perfect, electronic computer voting comes out of the gate with so many flaws and compromises and opportunities for outright fraud that it's amazing that anybody can take it seriously. For this reason alone, if none other, one cannot rely on elections any longer to be actual expressions of the vox populi, assuming that they were in the first place. They won't of course perpetrate huge "obvious" fraud. They'll just ensure that key players in the game that they want there, manage to get re-elected, even if every person in the state from that key person hates the politician in question. The ballot box is now a dead letter. The soap box has now been restricted to "free speech zones" at events that matter, and they're moving fast to destroy the internet's free speech. That leaves one option, and we all know it. Interesting times ahead.
As if the voters had anything to do with a rigged election.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#47. To: Jethro Tull (#33)
Not to pick a nit, but those "tactics" are a sure way most of the time. If you change the hearts of the masses, the power of the elite becomes moot and dissipates. The rulers always rely on the consent of the governed, even in dictatorships. If nobody complied with Hitler, he would have been just another mad idiot half balled transvestite with an attitude problem. The same applies after power is taken. When East Germany ceased being a state was when people, accidentally mistaking a "call to cross", started crossing the border with impunity. Calls were thrown out in desperation by the guards, who could not possibly even begin to shoot everybody, and the PTB realized that they were now impotent and couldn't stop what was happening. The entire root of their power, was compliance, not machine guns. Jesus had a similar message, you don't "resist the powers", you convert them to the word of Christ, and when that happened, they'd cease holding power over you because they'd become one of you. It's not a bad strategy at all. How its implemented of course, is judged on a case by case basis.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#48. To: SonOfLiberty, 4 (#47)
I worked in NYC when Sharpton cut his street agitator teeth. If you are the type of personality that can stand everything from being spit upon to obscene, face-to-face name calling, *and* not react in kind, this rally will be for you. (I'm not talking about you, but the generic you)
#49. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
Gotta tell you this. I was scan reading your post and the brain got this...SHARPTON CUT HIS STEEL ALLIGATOR TEETH... That did not compute as Jethroeze so reread. hehehehehehe I thot you had become a hack writer.
I worked in NYC when Sharpton cut his street agitator teeth.
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#48)
I'm assuming, from what I'm hearing, that this is what is expected, and the reciprocation that is being called for is toleration and the Christian version of agape. If he/they pull it off, it could be quite a coup. Maybe not for the MSM, but the folks there to deride and spit on those showing up may well be moved to change their views from the event. Or not, I really don't know, I'm not in the prophet business, lol.
I worked in NYC when Sharpton cut his street agitator teeth. If you are the type of personality that can stand everything from being spit upon to obscene, face-to-face name calling, *and* not react in kind, this rally will be for you. (I'm not talking about you, but the generic you)
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#51. To: SonOfLiberty (#46)
This was the reason for the "close" election between Bush and Gore, get the public to demand these machines.
This bears repeating. There is no accountability with computer voting. While no system is perfect, electronic computer voting comes out of the gate with so many flaws and compromises and opportunities for outright fraud that it's amazing that anybody can take it seriously.
"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Senator Jacob Howard, Co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.
#52. To: SonOfLiberty (#50) (Edited)
Barring a few exceptions, the press stands with the traitors in D.C. And when the time comes, the press will be counted as traitors as well.
If he/they pull it off, it could be quite a coup. Maybe not for the MSM, but the folks there to deride and spit on those showing up may well be moved to change their views from the event.
#53. To: Esso (#31)
But rumor has it that she loves to dance.
Probably not very mechanically adept though.
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?"
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#54. To: Cynicom (#25)
However that does not qualify me as arrogant enough to believe I have the talent to step forward, and fall flat on my face. It will take someone that IS or WILL BE known on the national stage for some reason or other. He or she would not have to be a politician. Just somehow have or get national notoriety. The armchair warriors or followers are there, as demonstrated by 20,000,000 of them voting for Perot. There is someone whofits all the requirements you have outlined above. That would be Jim Traficant. What our lousy government has done to him has made him very angry. He has a score to settle with cowards and whores, as he calls them in WDC. Somehow, we need to recruit him as a leader. He has always been a champion of the people. If only there was a thread started on here(4um)where our replys could be sent to Jim encouraging him to lead such a revolution, I beleive he would respond favorably. Right now he is in a battle with the Ohio elections board to get on the ballot as an independent. Would anyone care to start such a thread? He already knows how close we are to completely losing our country to the enemies from within. There are a few men out there that have what it takes. I honestly believe Jim Traficant is near the top if a list was made of those posessing the criteria. Those who can't see we are running out of time to turn things around, those who are afraid they might get hurt, or those that think things are rosy need not join in. I am presently trying to contact Jim to invite him to join us on Freedom4um. I haven't been successful in contacting him personally at this time. We can copy the entire thread and the replys and send them to him via registered mail with a receipt that will let us know he personally received the thread. Those of you who don't want to join in, or who think this isn't a reasonable undertaking don't need to get involved. Those of you who realize how perilously close to losing our country and freedoms,what say you?
We should consider ourselves at least one step ahead of the crowd, in that at least we recognize the danger.
#55. To: LACUMO (#54)
Sounds good to me. Is there anyone willing that knows how to do such????
. Would anyone care to start such a thread?
#56. To: LACUMO, Christine (#54)
Perhaps Christine might alter the title of this one, mentioning Traficant and keep it going?????
#57. To: Cynicom, christine, All (#56)
That would be ok, I nominate you to make the last reply on iy as an invite to Jim, not only to join us on this thread, but to come out with a comittment to lead us out of the current situation we are in. You do have a gift of saying what needs to be said in a few short words.
Perhaps Christine might alter the title of this one, mentioning Traficant and keep it going?????
#58. To: LACUMO, cristine (#57)
Like it or not, he also has the "gift" of being perceived by even normal people as being an absolute fruitcake. Whether he is or isn't, the fact remains that mainstream and Main Street views of him are less than favorable. Until he can raise his image to a level of respectability, his presence as a "leader" would only serve to denigrate and bring down a true movement towards liberty. I'm not speaking against the man, I'm telling you the perception most have of him. If he took a "leadership" position nationally, he'd be ignored by most everybody at *best*, ridiculed and brought to his knees *most likely*. Respectability is key. Not sainthood, no, but it does help to not be preconceived as a raving loon who is also a felon. That's just the way the ball bounces. Recruiting him, would be a big, big mistake. He'd be forced to spend 99.9% of his time trying to shake off that image, on national television and in the media, and almost no time advancing any discernible message. His very presence would immediately discredit any organization he claimed to represent. And that's all she wrote, the pencil broke. This is constructive criticism, not an attack. Please try to discuss this, if you're inclined, in a manner that does not invoke ad hominem. Thanks.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#59. To: SonOfLiberty, 4 (#50)
My personality doesn't lend itself to such restraint. This despite the odds or likelihood of success. In short, I'd give back in spades and that's why I'll be watching the Beck event from the comfort of my sofa. When the day does come - and I do believe it will - when we gather to fight, I'll muster for roll call. When you lose everything, and have nothing to lose, you lose it.
If he/they pull it off, it could be quite a coup. Maybe not for the MSM, but the folks there to deride and spit on those showing up may well be moved to change their views from the event.
#60. To: SonOfLiberty (#58)
I'd pay to see you tell Jim Traficant that to his face.That may be what some think of him. So what? He also spent 7 years in the pokey after being convicted by a kangaroo court. So what? Apparently you didn't read my thoughts very well. Go back and re-read it again. I stated "Those of you who don't want to join in, or who think this isn't a reasonable undertaking don't need to get involved." Just what we need, a negative moron on this thread. We are think posditive here. Why don't you go over to LP and spew your venom. We are grasping straws trying to save this country. This is meant for you personally. Fools names and fools faces shouldn't be seen in public places.
Like it or not, he also has the "gift" of being perceived by even normal people as being an absolute fruitcake.
#61. To: LACUMO (#60)
No matter how saintly of a leader rises up, he will be declared a "fruitcake" by the Tories. Patriots won't be getting any good press from the MSM. I'd suggest that Traficant get a crew cut of what hair he has left, but won't criticize him beyond that.
My joy over McCain's defeat, is offset by my disappointment over hObama's victory.
#62. To: LACUMO, SonofLiberty (#60)
I'm not speaking against the man, LAC, as SoL said, he is not speaking against the man, but rather explaining that this is how Traficant is viewed by mainstream. Heck, the same has been said of Ron Paul. As you know, speak out against or fight the two Is (Israel and IRS) and this is the price one pays.
Like it or not, he also has the "gift" of being perceived by even normal people as being an absolute fruitcake. Whether he is or isn't, the fact remains that mainstream and Main Street views of him are less than favorable. Until he can raise his image to a level of respectability, his presence as a "leader" would only serve to denigrate and bring down a true movement towards liberty.
#63. To: christine, Lacumo (#62)
I disagree with that.
LAC, as SoL said, he is not speaking against the man, but rather explaining that this is how Traficant is viewed by mainstream.
#64. To: Cynicom (#63)
I know what he meant. I certainly wouldn't send him a copy of this thread. I explained that we don't need the negative on anything we would send to him. This thread is kaput. His remarks , however, wouldn't make for a very good impression to anybody we would invite to this thread and especially someone we would hope would step up and be a real leader. Let him make those remarks to Traficant should he come on line at 4um. Starting out with negative remarks about someone is not going to encourage that person. I'm sure Jim has heard enough of those remarks already. We would have to start a new thread and keep the negative remarks off of it. Otherwise, I wouldn't blame him if he said no. Should he join us, there will be plenty of time for everybody to voice their concerns.
LAC, as SoL said, he is not speaking against the man, but rather explaining that this is how Traficant is viewed by mainstream.
#65. To: christine (#62)
LAC, as SoL said, he is not speaking against the man, but rather explaining that this is how Traficant is viewed by mainstream. I know what he meant. I certainly wouldn't send him a copy of this thread. I explained that we don't need the negative on anything we would send to him. This thread is kaput. His remarks , however, wouldn't make for a very good impression to anybody we would invite to this thread and especially someone we would hope would step up and be a real leader. Let him make those remarks to Traficant should he come on line at 4um. Starting out with negative remarks about someone is not going to encourage that person. I'm sure Jim has heard enough of those remarks already. We would have to start a new thread and keep the negative remarks off of it. Otherwise, I wouldn't blame him if he said no. Should he join us, there will be plenty of time for everybody to voice their concerns.
#66. To: LACUMO, Christine (#64)
I am too tired to respond any further, using polite and diplomatic language.
I know what he meant....to do.
#67. To: LACUMO (#60)
Great. Put money on the table hoss. I'm in central Ohio, you seem to be from Ohio (I'm guessing), he's from Ohio. I'd stand up to him, or any man, without fear in a heartbeat, if I knew I was right. Heck dude, if you want to meet at a bar for a drink, I'd buy the first round, let's just get it all out there, let's look eye to eye and size each other up in a neutral location. I'm game, are you? The rest of your post is pointless. I asked you to understand that I was making constructive criticism, not engaging in an attack. You can't understand that (surprise). No big revelation or discovery on my end on that. You make enemies all the time from people who could be on your side. Sometimes, the fault isn't with others. If everybody is always against you, maybe the common denominator is...you. Cheers mate. It's too bad you can't recognize help when you see it. Your loss. Go for your knight in shining armor. You both deserve each other. Slainte.
I'd pay to see you tell Jim Traficant that to his face.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#68. To: Cynicom (#63) (Edited)
Of course you do. Once somebody doesn't kowtow to your assumed "wisdom", once somebody figures you out, you have to disregard truth and go for the throat at all costs. It's classic narcissism. Quite common. If you had a shred of dignity, you'd see an ally where there was an ally, and a foe where there was a foe. Prior to your slandering me a few months ago, there was usually 100% agreement on philosophical topics. Neither my views nor expressions have changed, yet now you go for the cheap shot every time. If you had half the "wisdom" one your age could claim, you'd understand that one shouldn't attack one's allies.
I disagree with that.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
#69. To: christine (#62)
Thank you, precisely. Paul is a "saint" compared to the track record (in public) of Traficant. And Paul is on the constant defensive when in public light. Traficant has a whole army of negative perception against him without a bit of work by the mainstream or the policitians. He's already mostly a cooked goose before he ever enters the oven. I don't dislike the guy, but reality is reality. He would find himself fighting 24/7 against "perception" and 0/0 advancing a liberty minded agenda. If somebody doesn't understand how modern Stalinist politics works now, they're blind. Thank you for the understanding christine.
LAC, as SoL said, he is not speaking against the man, but rather explaining that this is how Traficant is viewed by mainstream. Heck, the same has been said of Ron Paul. As you know, speak out against or fight the two Is (Israel and IRS) and this is the price one pays.
"The more artificial taboos and restrictions there are in the world, the more the people are impoverished.... The more that laws and regulations are given prominence, the more thieves and robbers there will be." - Lao Tzu, 6th century BC
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