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9/11 See other 9/11 Articles Title: 9/11: READER COMMENT AT VETERANS TODAY DEBUNKS COVER STORY It’s refreshing to see there are so many people who “get it”– except maybe Steve. This was a great article and there are some really good comments here. I want to point out something I haven’t seen written about before regarding 9/11 and maybe it will cause some people who still don’t get it or refuse to examine the mountains of evidence pointing to 9/11 being an inside job to rethink their beliefs in the official story coming from our corporate government and their mouthpiece media. Since there are so many vets here who I assume would understand attack strategies I thought this would be the place to bring this up. While the events of 9/11 were in progress, remember how we were all waiting for the fighter jets that protect America to show up any second to handle the situation? Remember how we all expected that to happen, how it was just second nature to expect our military jets to come swooping in any second, and then remember that feeling of total incredulity when they never appeared as America was under attack? I know we were all waiting for them to take care of the situation, especially when the Pentagon was hit, the PENTAGON which some alleged hijacked plane had to fly through the most “protected airspace” in the world in order to hit it and we all couldn’t figure out how that could have happened and why there were no fighter jets protecting the nation’s capitol. Why did we, as a nation, expect to see the fighter jets flying up and handling the situation? Because it is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost or its transponder is turned off. Between January 2001 and September 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. In the year 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. They have never once in history not been scrambled. Besides, we just know our nation is protected and we just know that our military has these amazing jets capable of doing amazing things and we just know their number one priority is protecting our country and we just know that our military is well-trained and rabid about defense. Over the course of America’s history, our military might and our military technology has been rightfully feared, revered and respected. We all know the official story blames these foreigners who supposedly planned the whole thing from their hideouts in some remote caves in Afghanistan. Pretend YOU are Osama bin Laden, an apparently super-intelligent guy who they say was the main planner of this amazing, complicated and dramatic attack on American soil. (Now they have changed the main culprit to KSM, but for my point it doesn’t matter.) Think in terms of military strategy. Here you are planning this attack on the USA, something that hasn’t been done since Pearl Harbor. In the years since Pearl Harbor, you would have to assume America has honed her defense skills and strategies to prevent it from ever happening again. You would absolutely have to know about the SOP regarding America’s domestic defense systems and the scrambling of fighter jets. You would have to be aware of the protected airspace surrounding DC. You would have to know about airport security, about NORAD, about our intelligence systems of which I think there were 16 separate agencies at the time. There is no way you could plan such an elaborate attack without knowing all these critical things down to the finest detail, is there? You plan to send in these 19 ragtag terrorists, many who barely spoke a word of English to outfox and overpower the entire US military and intelligence apparatus as well as the security systems of several airports, and then hijack 4 airplanes by overpowering all the flight crews with box-cutters including a pilot who not only was a combat vet, but also held multiple black belts in martial arts. Then your boys would somehow perform expert aerial maneuvers and fly these hijacked jets into not-easy-to-hit buildings, including flying one into the Pentagon, which not only was reputed to have its own defense system as in missiles, but which lies inside the most protected territory in the world. And nothing, not one little thing can go wrong in order for your plan to work! If the airport security personnel were doing their jobs and just one of these 19 Arabs got caught or even detained, or one missed his flight, or one of the planes got really delayed, or the weather turned bad, the whole mission would be compromised. So why would anyone, especially one as intelligent as Osama bin Laden, plan something so intricate, so risky and actually so ridiculously impossible? (I keep saying how intelligent bin Laden was because from what the government says he did, the guy’s pure genius with Superhero qualities!) Why on earth would anyone think they could plan something this risky and ridiculous and not expect complete failure at just about every stage? First, why would he think that airport security wouldn’t somehow detain even one of his terrorists? Okay, let’s say that airport security at every port had one of bin Laden’s guys working security allowing the bad guys to get through. But then he’d have to count on each one being able to successfully hijack not just one, but FOUR separate airplanes. Then he’d have to count on each one of his ragtag men to be able to accurately maneuver those planes that none had ever flown before and accurately hit their targets, then hope that somehow hitting 2 buildings in NYC would miraculously cause 3 to collapse. Then, despite the reputation of the US military, and despite the SOP for scrambling jets, and despite the fact that some of these hijacked airplanes would be flying around for almost two hours, he’d have to count on no military jets being scrambled despite the fact it had never happened before ever in history! The average time for a fighter jet to be scrambled to intercept an errant airplane is only 10 minutes! Then he’d have to count on the Pentagon not launching a missile to shoot down the hijacked plane before it could slam into the building. Why would anyone plan such an event knowing how impossible it would all be? Even if a lunatic planned it that would not make the impossible possible. It was an impossible thing. Think about that. He would have to rely on sheer luck, sheer chance, and just cross his fingers and hope for the best. He would have to hope for some really deep institutional failings deep within the US government, and the US military, and the US intelligence system, and why on earth would someone who had such a brilliant mind even dream of such a stupid (non)strategy? Why would he expect hundreds of Americans to have such an unrealistic amount of incompetence especially all in that one day during the most critical times in order for his plan to succeed? Then, after all was said and done, he would plan it out so there would not even be enough evidence to convict him in a court of law– (he’s not even wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks because according to the FBI “there’s no evidence showing he was behind it.”) What was even more incredible is that at least 7 of the 19 “hijackers” were found to be alive and well after crashing those planes. All of them, invincible and amazing, just like Superheroes! What an amazing feat, and to somehow pull it all off despite America’s tight defense protocol and feared, revered, and amazingly competent defense systems says a lot about Osama bin Laden and his 19 religiously fanatical nutcase terrorists. It also says a lot about how totally and ridiculously inept and incompetent Americans allegedly are. Whatever. One more thing to ponder is this: why on earth would Osama bin Laden want to attack the mightiest military machine on the planet, knowing full well that the payback for such an attack would devastate all of Islam and be a death sentence to Muslims worldwide? Why would he want to bring such horror and destruction upon his people? What benefit would OBL and his terrorist team reap from this venture? If you honestly look at it, who really benefitted? Did the Muslim people benefit, even a little? Or did the corporations, the military industrial complex, the banks, and the neocons benefit? Bush and Company said that we were attacked because they hated us and hated our “freedoms.” Well, think about it– if they “hated us for our freedoms”, what would the 9/11 events do to destroy or even harm these freedoms? Nothing. However, it was our own government that immediately started dismantling and eviscerating our Constitution and Bill of Rights, starting with the pre-written 11,000+ page US Patriot Act. Our elected servants were threatened with martial law if they didn’t sign it immediately. It is not the Muslims, but our own government who has been steadily taking our freedoms away from us ever since 9/11 by using 9/11 as an excuse, and it is getting worse and worse as the days go by. So-called enemies like OBL, a known CIA operative, or any America-hating terrorist could only dream of doing to the US what our own government has done to us and to our American way of life. This was not a Muslim “terrorist” attack at all, but it was terrorists who did this to us. Unfortunately, these terrorists are homegrown and still in power in our increasingly oppressive police state that once was really the land of the free, home of the brave. We have become the land of the oppressed and dumbed-down, and the home of a lot of apathetic sheeple. (except for the people on this site!) Honestly looking at 9/11 from every angle, looking at the mountains and mountains of irrefutable evidence proving it was an inside job and then doing the research to see that there’s still not one shred of evidence to even remotely show that the official story is true, anyone with half a brain should be able to wake up and see what the hell really happened and why it really happened. It is only when the majority of Americans wake up to see the truth about 9/11 that we’ll be able to save our country from the abyss we are falling into.
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Soap Box says: to say ‘the us govrnment’ is misleading and far too sweeping statement. Excerpt from David Martin says: As for the old saw that someone would spill the beans, the presumption behind that belief is that we have an honest, unbiased press that would report the spilled beans. The plain fact is that we don’t and they wouldn’t. That’s probably the biggest problem we face. kikz says: thanks ‘wide’.. for the reiterations… i’ll nutshell it. CUI BONO? who benefited?…who profited? Dave Winnett says: As I said, God bless us all for the right to debate. These days I find myself fighting the Department of Veterans Affairs on behalf of less fortunate Veterans than I. That is where I choose to focus my spare time and efforts. I’ll leave the rest of this 9-11 stuff to folks who have more time to explore it than I do. I just hope that you’re wrong about 9-11 being an inside job. I devoted too much of my life defending an America that does not fit that description. Soap Box says: Dave: Re 9/11 – debating no longer required. __________________ There were 48 comments when I copied the article. Here are three that I can't find there anymore among the current 77 (plus the poster-data formating is different now) but the last response got my attention the most: Anonymous said... August 26, 2010 9:08 AM [Excerpt from] Anonymous said... I'm going to board a 757 30 miles from DC, let it fly all the way to the Ohio/Kentucky/WV border, turn off the transponder, calling immediate attention to myself, and then turn around an unarmed airliner and fly it through hundreds of miles of closed-off airspace, begging the USAF to blast me out of the sky like a clay pigeon. Remember, I'm a terrorist mastermind. And you know it's true, because FOX News said so. [end excerpt] August 26, 2010 12:38 PM chris said... Another message explaining the 9/11 plan would have been sent along with the warning that should the government interfere, say bye to say, Spokane, Toledo and Atlanta...cities that would not be missed much. Then, if top government officials were complicit in the crime of 9/11, then are they really criminal? Remember Coventry. Some defense-related decisions are quite hard to make, but need to be. So even if the government (and I am no fan of Cheney and Bush) was/is complicit with the crime, are they really criminals? It's like arresting a guy who robs a bank wearing an explosive collar. Maybe the Cold war was won...but we lost...and nobody told us. Congress is Sovietizing the country more and more each day. But that is just one scenario....to most, we can only speculate. August 26, 2010 3:32 PM _____________ "It's like arresting a guy who robs a bank wearing an explosive collar." I wonder if chris got that idea from the John Travolta movie, "Swordfish", or if that theory's being floated as a possible legal defense plea.
------- "They're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time." -- Col. Puller, USMC
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